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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 25 - 05:42 PM

Netflix is now showing new sci-fi shorts called Love, Death, and Robots.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 25 - 06:12 PM

Stilly both of those books were the most important books when I was in High School.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 25 - 06:06 PM

I remember Tom Corbett, space cadet. Why are the greys grey? Because their blood is blue, have 3 hearts and have very sensitive eyes.
What earthly lifeform shares all of those traits?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 May 25 - 06:01 PM

Sinclair Lewis' It Can't Happen Here is from 1935. And is extremely prescient. It would probably be best called a dystopian novel. Like Upton Sinclair's The Jungle. Both extremely timely right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 16 May 25 - 04:53 PM

I read so many sci-fi short stories and books from late high school onwards until a couple of decades ago. Some of those scary "it'll never happen" scenarios which were in the dim, distant future are starting to appear in real life, but I can't track the specific book or story I read so long ago for each scenario.

I remember one story where everyone was going about her/his daily life but in actual fact they were all in a semi-comatose state and were living their lives in their mind's eye only. I don't remember the reason for that but I'm assuming it was extreme climate change or something similar. The main character in the story was a young woman living an ordinary life who started to realise all was not as it seemed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 May 25 - 03:46 PM

It seems remarkable now that in a very early cartoon program (1962-64) Space Angel there was a woman astronaut/scientist (I see in Wikipedia she is identified as "electronics/communications expert" - much like Uhura a couple of years later in Star Trek, and who both occasionally saved the day.) Crystal Mace was the character. There's some nepotism involved, her father is a big wheel in the program, as I recall. Anyway, I've used Crystal as an avatar on many of my accounts for years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: sciencegeek
Date: 16 May 25 - 01:14 PM

LOL... you guys have been buzy

I started with Colonel Blink an early kid's show on TV ... there were a few others as well but need to google for names.

Time Tunnel's biggest influence was seeing a leading woman be a scientist rather than a secretary. Kinda like Whoopie Goldberg seeing Uhuru on Star Trek.

John Campbell did little writing, but he developed a stable of great writers who pushed the envelope way past any pulp magazine genre and made many kids think and think hard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 16 May 25 - 11:58 AM

Thanks Nigel,

I didn't realise there were more books in the Earthsea series until I looked up the full list of her books for this thread. I'll have to find the rest of the series, but I'll also have to re-read the first three books to remind myself of the story.

I thought of another sci-fi author I liked: C. J. Cherryh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 May 25 - 10:53 AM

Helen I also loved the children's Earthsea trilogy beginning with The Wizard of Earthsea.
No longer just a 'trilogy'. The original author has added to it over the years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 May 25 - 02:57 PM

I can't remember the first Dalek series. What I do remember is building a Dalek machine, using a ring modulator from a design in the first-ever issue of Practical Electronics (article name: Electronic Didgeridoo), and annoying the other kids at school with it. I *think* I've still got the ring modulator itself somewhere, in a drawer in the garage.

.... The only thing it couldn't do was render "I think I ought to tell you I'm feeling very depressed" in a sufficiently-realistic Marvin voice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 14 May 25 - 07:48 PM

Over sixty years for one TV series! Amazing!

I didn't watch every series, mainly because either life got in the way, or I didn't like a couple of the actors playing the Doctor as much as previous actors. (Faves are William Hartnell, Tom Baker, Matt Smith, Patrick Troughton, Jon Pertwee, Peter Capaldi. I haven't seen the series with Ncuti Gatwa as the Doctor.)

I admit, apart from watching the Rosa Parkes story with Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor, I didn't watch the others in that series. Personally, even though I absolutely support equality, I thought it was pushing the story concept too far for the Doctor to suddenly turn into a woman. There have been so many strong female characters over the entire show. Changing the Doctor to a woman? Yeah? Nah! But that's just my opinion. Disagree if you wish.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Fred
Date: 14 May 25 - 04:19 AM

Helen,

I do remember the Daleks, though I was a teenager when they showed up and so I wasn't as "worried". I recall that they could be rendered hors de combat if pushed over, and they couldn't climb stairs.
But several upgrades put them on a level where they were a damned nuisance lol.

Fred


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Fred
Date: 14 May 25 - 03:59 AM

Stilly,

I can't be sure. I was vaguely aware of all of those sci-fi series. Heck, I may even have watched some but it's a long time ago and the memory - well, it ain't what it used to be :)

Fred


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 May 25 - 11:15 PM

Fred, IMDb shows a few individual episodes of programs called "Tales from the Dark Side." Might you be thinking of Tales from the Crypt? That ran for several years (1989 - 1996).

The Twilight Zone is so iconic, so often quoted, and still some of them are the creepiest things I've ever seen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 13 May 25 - 10:03 PM

No, it doesn't ring a bell Fred. (I should do an internet search, shouldn't I? LOL)

So on the Wiki page for The Outer Limits (1963 TV series) there is a list of similar shows at the end of the article:

It could be Out of the Unknown

Also, I remember when the Daleks first appeared on Dr Who and I was just a kid in primary school, I used to jump up off the couch and cower in the doorway. I used to get really anxious hearing their menacing robot voices, "Exterminate! Exterminate!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Fred
Date: 13 May 25 - 06:46 PM

Outer Limits I meant, sorry :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Fred
Date: 13 May 25 - 06:36 PM

Helen,

The Twilight Zone spin-off you vaguely remember - does Tales From The Dark Side ring any bells?

Fred


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 13 May 25 - 06:30 PM

My favourite Dr Who story is the first serial of the second series when they were really tiny and fell down the kitchen sink.

Planet of Giants


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 May 25 - 06:01 PM

Thanks, Callan: I accept the correction.

I can still remember the broadcast of the first ever episode of Dr Who: when the Tardis took off, it was so loud that the top of our telly rattled. There were Complaints about that in the next edition of (Junior?) Feedback.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 25 - 09:09 PM

My favorite Twilight Zone episode that applies today is 'The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 25 - 11:31 AM

The last most compelling sci-fi films to me were Annihilation about an intelligent cancer lifeform and Arrival about communication with a different time concept species.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 25 - 11:06 AM

It seems to me that Isaac Asimov was the most prolific sci-fi author.
He may not be done yet. An AI Asimov could appear. After all there is now an official Agatha Christie AI.

We don't believe AI/robots don't dream but they sure can hallucinate.
Perhaps they are short on sleep and need restful dream time to dream of electric sheep.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 11 May 25 - 01:19 AM

Thanks Rain Dog, I thought it was Callan because I remember seeing the scene a lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Rain Dog
Date: 11 May 25 - 12:32 AM

"Was the swinging lightbulb opening scene from Callan and not The Equalizer?"

It was Callan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 10 May 25 - 07:46 PM

I looked up Edward Woodward on IMDB and Callan was in 1974.

Regarding TV shows, I left home to live in a shared student house in early 1974 and didn't have a TV until about 3 or more years later in a different shared house. We rented a black & white TV because two of us were desperate to watch Dr Who. (Is that a sad indictment on both of us or a badge of honour? LOL)

We couldn't afford to rent a colour TV so B&W was better than none.

I had been watching Dr Who since it started, when I lived at home. We had a TV from 1964 as I recall and my sis and I used to watch Dr Who starring William Hartnell after school.

Another B&W sci-fi TV show I used to watch back then was The Outer Limits and I have a vague recollection that there was a spin-off series with a different name but it wasn't The Twilight Zone because that wasn't on TV in our region back then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 10 May 25 - 07:28 PM

MaJoC and SRS, I don't remember the Edward Woodward series The Equalizer but I do remember him in the brilliant series called Callan from way, way back in the mid '70's. Was the swinging lightbulb opening scene from Callan and not The Equalizer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 May 25 - 05:20 PM

Good grief: the original Equaliser series. To this day, a swinging lightbulb reminds me of the intro-credits sequence so forcibly that I find myself having to stop the bulb swinging (before it's shot). But that's all I remember about the series.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 07 May 25 - 07:04 PM

Some years back Tolkien fan/singer/songwriter/comedian Martin Pearson created a fantastic show - The Unfinished Spelling Errors of Bolkien The Unfinished Spelling Errors of Bolkien is a lovingly irreverent re-telling of The Lord of the Rings, interspersed with songs. The story sections tend to switch among pointing out the logical inconsistencies and plot holes of the story, highlighting the differences between the book and the movie, and sometimes just careering off the rails, depending on what is funniest at the time.

The Unfinished Spelling Errors of Bolkien - listen here - My favourite of all the songs is The Loo Break Song which I started singing in my head sometime after I left a very hot venue early & was waiting for my friends to come out. When the doors opened, the stairs were packed & the lifts emptied disgorging more fans, all heading/racing to the loos.

sandra


I originally typed TOLKEIN a common version of the author's name!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 May 25 - 04:38 PM

Helen, that Equalizer is a remake of a several of decades old program (I haven't watched either one.) The earlier one starred the British actor Edward Woodward.

A lot of the popular novels we've mentioned here have associated "Wikis" or online fan sites for sorting out the minutiae of the books and or the films that follow. (For example, Lord of the Rings). Wikipedia has a lot of synopses of novels and bibliographies for authors. The site I use when I'm trying to read a particular author's books in order is Fantastic Fiction. It also gives you the altered names from different printings or publishers in various countries. I just pulled up JRR Tolkien. Wow. That's a kettle of fish - it looks like the family has harvested a lot of his earliest writings to edit and publish.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 07 May 25 - 04:04 PM

sciencegeek, I agree about the UK shows with "cogent writing that is often witty and tongue in cheek".

Sorry to go off-topic here:

One of my favourite scenes ever is in Death in Paradise where a one-off character is played by one of the regular actors from the long-running TV show Spooks (aka MI5). I don't think it was Keeley Hawes, but it was a blonde female actor whose name escapes me.

In Death in P, they throw in a straight-faced one-liner with the detective saying something like "she would have to work for MI5 to make a shot in the dark like that". It's a UK in-joke about the actor's other work. How the detective kept a straight face saying that line is beyond me, but I'm guessing there were a lot of out-takes because the whole cast and crew would have cracked up laughing.

SRS, Ursula Le Guin's books are fairly short, but the plots and characters are so well thought out, and well written and there are good plot twists. They really are thought provoking but a good read.

One of the books I wrote the dissertation on was The Left Hand of Darkness, and the other one might have been The Dispossessed. (It was a lo-o-ong time ago.) I also loved the children's Earthsea trilogy beginning with The Wizard of Earthsea.

One of my recent discoveries on TV is a US action/crime series called The Equalizer starring Queen Latifah. Each episode is self-contained, the characters are well written and well played, the story lines are excellent and interesting, the actors and acting are excellent. It is on at midnight twice a week and I only discovered it by accident.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 May 25 - 11:53 AM

There are (or were) some witty American programs, but they're few and far between. As a kid I used to scour the fall TV Guide to see what was coming up in the new season, now I rarely watch live TV, it's usually just PBS for news and their programming. Several that ended a number of years ago include Elementary (there are some great one liners in there), on streaming Only Murders In the Building, and a few other mystery type programs. PBS just finished replaying the Sherlock series (Cumberbatch), and with the exception of the last agonizing episode, it was wonderful. I've read most of the Doyle Sherlock stories, but I didn't have any point of reference for that last episode. (Did anyone else?) Doyle is fiction but that episode seemed to stray into a fantasy realm.

I have yet to read any LeGuin, but I know she is very highly regarded. It's the old "there are only so many hours in the day" conundrum.

In 1970 there was a film made called Colossus: The Forbin Project. I heard about it, but back then there was no film on demand, no Blockbuster for VHS, etc., so I found the book Colossus by D.F. Jones. (From 1966; it was about an AI computer - see where this is going?) I did eventually see the film (a long time ago also, but I did order a copy I have here on DVD I need to watch again.) It's so long since I read the book I don't remember how it varied from the film, but both were excellent. And I see on GoodReads that there were three novels by Jones about Colossus and I've only read the first.

H.G. Wells War of the Worlds is a story told and retold many times. On the radio by Orson Wells with remarkable results; I haven't seen all of the versions but I particularly liked the Gene Barry version from 1953 (his sidekick was a librarian, and that actress could scream - that may be why she got the role.) And the more recent telling in Independence Day.   

One author you may not have thought of for fantasy, or at least dystopian fiction, is Louise Erdrich. She had one novel Future Home of the Living God that never said why the events were happening, but made the whole thing creepily plausible. That's a novel that stuck with me, I find myself considering aspects of it fairly often.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: sciencegeek
Date: 07 May 25 - 10:23 AM

LOL Helen... I'm addicted to Acorn and BBC because they some of the few places we can enjoy cogent writing that is often witty and tongue in cheek. It's been a decade since I've found worthwhile programing on American TV because I find car crashing gun wielding chase scenes boring and intolerable. Video games on steroids with sponsors selling crap I would never buy.

Getting bitchy at 74 I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Helen
Date: 07 May 25 - 03:08 AM

SRS, I did read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? back in 1978 when I was studying Eng Lit and there was a sci-fi and fantasy subject unit. At that stage I hadn't seen the Bladerunner movie - which became one of my fave movies of all time.

I have tried a couple of times to re-read the book but it's difficult to keep it separated in my head from the movie, and the book moves very, very slowly through its plot, themes and character reveals. One day I might manage to read it again.

I used to read mostly sci-fi and fantasy back in the day, but then I drifted to other genres and now - very strangely for an ex-librarian/Eng Lit grad/book addict I tend to read very little and watch TV series a lot, mostly UK crime series. Very weird! Maybe I was abducted by aliens and I'm living on another planet and don't know it.

I was introduced to Ursula Le Guin's novels in the Eng Lit course too and she became one of my favourite authors. I wrote my Honours year final dissertation on two of her novels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 07 May 25 - 12:04 AM

Last week I borrowed a classic from the Library - Robert Heinlein - The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. I just did a google search, the first result is a English language version of the book, the following 9 are foreign sites & versions??? I had expected to get Good Reads or similar English language sites, like Amazon, or Abe Books ... Tho there are 4 bookshop/online sponsored sites!

Now I know why - I missed this line - Tip: Show results in English. You can also learn more about filtering by language.

Well, I never, I didn't know one could filter - especially filter by language. Must be yet another example of AI, sigh, but maybe it's cos one of the main characters is a computer that develops consciousness, hmmm

It's a great book, published in 1966 & might have been mentioned in the past but I've not re-read the thread.

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: sciencegeek
Date: 06 May 25 - 08:50 PM

I grew up reading SF and never really quit, though I get bored with space opera and the fantasy series that read like the perils of Pauline rather than investigating interesting possibilities...

FYI Ray Bradbury worked on the screenplay for Moby Dick back ~ 1950 and it is still my favorite film version.

Try some Mack Reynold, Hal Clement, Clifford D Simak and Ted Sturgeon who did some great stuff ... I haunted old thrift book stores to track down affordable paperbacks


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 25 - 02:48 PM

Have you ever read any Ray Bradbury?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 May 25 - 01:26 PM

Science Fiction: I see a man going for an intergalactive cruise inside his own head by reading of a man going for an intergalactic cruise in his office.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 25 - 11:53 AM

I could never get through Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?. It may simply have been the wrong book at the wrong time.

Looking back through this thread, and will note that if you're only going to meet one SF writer, Donuel, Douglas Adams was a good one!

I picked up a couple of Octavia Butler books but haven't started any of them yet. Last year I reread Good Omens; there's always new stuff in it with each reading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 25 - 08:19 AM

In chapter 2, the President appoints the most primitive people to all the agencies and then deliberately crashes his richest country into inevitable third world status.

Fiction is fiction, but this isn't believable sci-fi.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 25 - 08:07 AM

I am reading about the richest man in the world being appointed by the US President to cut off all funding to the poorest, most desperate, starving children around the world while planning to go to Mars.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Rain Dog
Date: 22 Apr 25 - 12:21 AM

BBC Radio 4 Extra has the following series on this week

Changing Climates

"The meteorologist John Hammond explores how science fiction has long served as a barometer for our curiosity, awe, and growing anxiety about the changing climate. With expert insight from Sarah Dillon, Professor of Literature and the Public Humanities, and Professor of Human Geography Mike Hulme, we trace how fiction has captured - and sometimes predicted - the shifting relationship between people and the planet.

From E.M. Forster's chilling 'The Machine Stops' to J.G. Ballard's dystopic 'The Drowned World,' we also reside in the near-future realism of Patricia Cumper's 'Biomass.' These stories help us understand how writers imagined - and sometimes eerily anticipated - a world reshaped by climate."

It appears that each episode will be available for 30 days


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Aug 24 - 03:44 PM

And the following was posted after being performed at one of the 'filk' circles:

The Music of the Force
(To the tune of Andrew Lloyd Webber's "Music of the Night")

Slowly, gently,
stretch out with your feelings.
Close your visor,
eyes can be deceiving.
Let your instincts guide you,
the knowledge is inside you.
No longer are you bound by nature's laws,
for you have sensed the presence of the Force.

Though you're learning,
progress could be faster.
Seek out Yoda,
he will be your Master.
Don't judge by his size,
for you'll find he's very wise,
though it's vital that you do complete his course
of training in the usage of the Force.

For the Dark Side will tempt you in the coming days,
and you may learn some things that cause you pain.
For though all that I've said to you is true,
it depends on A Certain Point of View...

Jedi Knighthood takes complete devotion,
you must sever all ties of emotion;
friendships that you've had,
and the man who was your Dad,
and the Sister whom you kissed are now a source
of weakness in your mast'ry of the Force.

For the Emp'ror will use them to provoke your hate,
and your anger will bend you to his will.
To defeat him your mind must be at peace,
only then will his reign of terror cease.

Light Side, Dark Side,
Balanced now and equal.
Total victory - no need for a sequel!
Pass on what you've learned
and enjoy this peace you've earned.
Guard the galaxy from tyranny and wars.
And listen to the Music of the Force.

----------------

Please do feel free to share & perform. I'm not familiar with Filk traditions - this is my first WorldCon, so thank you all for being so welcoming!

Brian Cohen


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Aug 24 - 03:43 PM

Worldcon Glasgow.
Last night was 'masquerade' (no, I didn't dress up).
Some photos are Here (on flickr)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 11 Aug 24 - 07:33 AM

I don't know about gamers and fantasy-fiction afficionados, keb, but it sounds plausible. Many in certain parts of the programming trade have noted the high incidence of science-fiction fans in our ranks; after all, if you're building a new world inside the computer (which is essentially what creative programming can be), you'll be drawn to others' new worlds as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Aug 24 - 04:38 PM

The world of video games is a closed book to me, I don't play.
But I know some people who do;
and one of them confided to me that
gamers are often passionate about fantasy fiction.

Are there video game players here at Mudcat,
and is the above statement true, regarding fantasy fiction?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 06:18 PM

Amerigin.. I never knew of that. Is it fact or allegation?

Okay..I did a search and evidently it is mostly true. The scandal didn't break until 2014, and she died in 1999.
That she was lesbian doesn't surprise me after the many stories featuring women, but since most of my reading of her stuff was before 2014, I never heard of the scandal.

In my head I have to separate my enjoyment of the Darkover series from her personal life... but it sure is a shock.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Amergin
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 04:33 PM

Bill D, I don't think it would have been published as it is.

Most likely, it would have been self published...as would most of his works.

Hell, most of what we consider as classic science fiction and fantasy, would have a hard time finding publishers.

And some would be canceled and hopefully imprisoned for their crimes...like Marion Zimmer Bradley, who not only enabled her paedo husband, but took part.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 03:48 PM

As as a side remark, I discovered and am re-reading, in a pile of Sc-Fi as I was packing to move, an old copy of "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Heinlein. It was a cult classic back in the 60s, along with "The Harrad Experiment" by Robert Rimmer.. (NOT sci-fi)
   I must say, I see much more in it now, not all positive. Heinlein has always been a problem with many women, who considered him sexist.
It was certainly controversial and while I kinda like him poking holes in 'organized religion', but some plot devices are just for Heinlein, using Jubal Harshaw as his alter ego, to promote his ideas about society and culture. The plot suffers as he tries to justify the various divergent episodes.
   I can't begin to list and analyze all my concerns in a few paragraphs.. and I'm not sure what exactly I (<-u> think about some parts.
   I'm curious how it would be treated if published today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: Rain Dog
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 08:42 AM

Have a good time at Worldcon, Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sci-Fi and/or fantasy authors
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 04 Aug 24 - 05:03 PM

DANGER: I used to quote HitchHiker by the quarter-hour, as Herself will attest. These days I've graduated to Discworld, but one of my favourite real-life incidents was:

When I was at Uni, my father sent me a cutting from the Grauniad, announcing that HHGthG was out in paperback. So I went to the bookshop on campus ....

Me: Do you have a copy of the HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy?
Assistant: I'm sorry, we don't sell travel books.

I was five yards out of the door before the penny dropped.


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