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Subject: Origins: Henry Joy From: Joe Offer Date: 01 May 22 - 03:39 AM Restoration of a thread from 22 March 2022 |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Henry Joy From: GUEST,Rightlawd Date: 01 May 22 - 03:40 AM Date: 22 Mar 22 - 04:53 PM Greetings! guys im looking for info on a tune i found on a frank harte album (1798-the first year of liberty) its the first song called 'Henry Joy' and begins with the lyrics 'i am a proud united man, from the antrim glens i come' (i say this as there is another song called henry joy mccracken on the same album) anyways im just looking for any info on the origin of the song, maybe one of you have the booklet that came with the album and could have a look? i havnt been able to find much online about it, usually Mudcat is my go to when i need info and there dosnt seem to be any discussion about the song on here either! thanks in advance! Peace
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Subject: RE: Origins: Henry Joy From: GUEST,RTim Date: 01 May 22 - 03:41 AM Date: 22 Mar 22 - 05:08 PM It's on YouTube.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLX2_AqZHWU Tim Radford
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Subject: RE: Origins: Henry Joy From: GUEST Date: 01 May 22 - 03:43 AM Date: 22 Mar 22 - 06:05 PM Henry Joy McCracken
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Subject: RE: Origins: Henry Joy From: GUEST,Felipa Date: 01 May 22 - 03:46 AM Date: 22 Mar 22 - 06:05 PM http://www.fresnostate.edu/folklore/ballads/Moyl110.html gives just a little info. re this particular song about Henry Joy McCracken. The author is unknown and Terry Moylan wrote that "This song possibly dates from the early 19th century". It is easy enough to find out more about Henry Joy McCracken, but there doesn't seem to be much information online about the particular song. There is more background info about the man in these notes to a different song http://www.fresnostate.edu/folklore/ballads/PGa034.html Incidentally, you may also like to read up about the work of Henry Joy's sister, Mary Ann McCracken.
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Subject: RE: Origins: Henry Joy From: GUEST,cnd Date: 01 May 22 - 03:48 AM Date: 22 Mar 22 - 06:05 PM Perhaps a library near you has a copy? http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/48962333 Date: 22 Mar 22 - 06:08 PM The song which particularly interested me however was Henry Joy McCracken, a different composition to the Henry Joy discussed above. Like the Joyce creation, this is a literary song which found its way into folk tradition. In this case, however, a measure of confusion exists over the authorship. Frank gives P J MacCall as the writer and this is a fairly common ascription[2]. However, I have elsewhere seen the song attributed to William Drennan, one of the Ulster leaders of ‘98, and I would have thought Drennan the more likely candidate. First of all, MacCall was a Wexford man. He is not likely to have identified himself as closely with the Ulster uprising, as with happenings in his own part of the world. Secondly, to my ears at any rate, it does not sound like a MacCall composition. I may be doing him an injustice, but MacCall was famed for spirited, rousing compositions; songs like Boolavogue and Kelly, the Boy from Killann which, for all their patriotic declamation, never quite lost the starch of the drawing room. Henry Joy McCracken is a tender love song. It takes for its subject the intimate sorrow of two human beings, caught in the inexorability of an event which is greater and more significant than either of them; and it is written in an altogether less starchy manner. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Henry Joy From: GUEST,Felipa Date: 01 May 22 - 03:50 AM Date: 22 Mar 22 - 08:33 PM The song CND quotes the review of is a different song from the one Rightlawed asked about at the start of the thread. The song which has been attributed to McCall and to Drennan https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=78811 is also called "Belfast Mountain" and begins All on Belfast Mountains I heard a maid complain, Making forth her lamentation Down by some purling stream, Saying 'My heart is fettered, Fast in the bonds of love, All by a false pretender Who doth inconstant prove. or 'Twas on the Belfast mountains I heard a maid complain, And she vexed the sweet June evening there with her heart-broken strain, Saying, "Woe is me! Life's anguish is more than I can dree, Since Henry Joy McCraken died all on the gallows tree. --- Rightlawed asks for a song which begins, "I am a proud United man, from the Antrim glens I come" HENRY JOY An Ulster man I am proud to be [I am a proud United man] From the Antrim glens I come And though I’ve laboured by the sea I have followed fife and drum I have heard the martial tramp of men [or] the tramp of marching men I’ve seen them fight and die Ah! Lads it’s well I remember when I followed Henry Joy I dragged [pulled] my boat in from the shore And I hid my sails away I hung my nets upon a tree And I scanned the moonlit bay The boys were out, the red coats too [I kissed my wife and children too] I kissed my love good-bye [I bid my last goodbye] And in the shade of the greenwood glade I followed Henry Joy In Antrim Town the tyrant stood. He tore our ranks with ball But with a cheer and our pikes to clear, we swept them o're the wall Our pikes and sabres flashed that day, we won, then lost - ah why? No matter lads; I fought beside and I shielded Henry Joy It was all for Ireland's cause we fought And we gave her heart and hand And the handsome one of high reknown, he fought with the rebel sons We fought the Redcoats and their guns I saw them fall and die And aye, my boys, 'twas for Ireland then that I followed Henry Joy It was for Ireland’s cause we fought For sire and home, we bled ‘Though our numbers [pikes] were few, our hearts beat true And five to one lay dead And there's many a lassie lost her lad And mother mourned her boy For youth was strong in the daring throng That followed Henry Joy In Belfast town, they built a tree And the redcoats mustered there I watched him come as the beat of a drum Rolled out in the barrack square He kissed his sister and went aloft And waved a fond good-bye My God he died, I turned and I cried "They have murdered Henry Joy." === words in brackets are as sung by Frank Harte. Frank doesn't sing verse 3 above - "In Antrim Town the tyrant stood. He tore our ranks with ball ...". I don't know his verse 3 - It was all for Ireland's cause cause we fought / And we gave her heart and hand - but have tried to cobble it together from the recording. I had to substitute a few words that I couldn't hear correctly. "Henry Joy" is also one of the songs included in https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=55152,55152 "Mudcat CD Violet: Liner Notes PermaThread" sheet music is included in the DT entry https://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=2587,2587&SongID=2587,25a>
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Subject: RE: Origins: Henry Joy From: GUEST,Rightlawd Date: 01 May 22 - 03:52 AM Date: 22 Mar 22 - 09:12 PM Thanks guys, Yeah the song is Henry Joy, not henry joy mccracken. im really just looking for the writer and the approx year, along with any other info i can scrape up. for me its the stand out track from that collection of songs, Frank Harte does a great job at singing it. i must have listened to it 20 times today!
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