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2024 addendum to 'Folk' thread

Joe Offer 01 Mar 21 - 02:55 PM
The Sandman 27 May 24 - 03:44 AM
Georgiansilver 27 May 24 - 06:11 AM
DaveRo 27 May 24 - 07:05 AM
The Sandman 27 May 24 - 07:17 AM
The Sandman 27 May 24 - 07:35 AM
GUEST 27 May 24 - 07:40 AM
Sol 27 May 24 - 09:58 AM
DaveRo 27 May 24 - 10:27 AM
Stilly River Sage 27 May 24 - 11:54 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 May 24 - 01:31 PM
Joe Offer 27 May 24 - 02:48 PM
Dave the Gnome 02 Jun 24 - 02:45 PM
Tattie Bogle 02 Jun 24 - 03:15 PM
Dave the Gnome 02 Jun 24 - 03:22 PM
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Subject: Seek Jim Barlow version of Diamond Joe
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 02:55 PM

Thread #2   Message #7
Posted By: Vivien
02-Oct-96 - 08:35 AM
Thread Name: Folk
Subject: RE: English Folk Songs

Can sone please help me. I need to find some well-known English Folk songs. Where do I Look? Does anyone have words/music? Please? kiwiviv@anet-dfw.com




Thread #2   Message #4202980
Posted By: GUEST
27-May-24 - 02:26 AM
Thread Name: Folk
Subject: RE: Folk

Does anyone remember a Black folksinger in New York in the 1960's named Jim Barlow? He used to perform at the Brick Floor Book Store. I'm trying to find his version of Diamond Joe.
Lyla


Please see This Thread (click)


    The messages below were added to the historic 1996 "Folk" thread. I'm not going to allow that, so I moved all the new messages here and closed the "Folk" thread.
    I try to avoid having threads with titles that don't indicate the contents, but I'm not going to try to fix this. You might also like to look at the Blues thread or the Mudcat Café thread. I've closed all three. I see no reason to clutter them with new stuff. They are the first three threads in the history of Mudcat.
    Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 May 24 - 03:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFpVchJwESk if you wish to subscribe to my channel there are quite a lot of videos like this one


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 May 24 - 06:11 AM

Jenny Grays Whisky.
Rosebud in June
Sailors Lament
Little Pot Stove
Shoals of Herring
RossTrawlers Return
Mingulay Folk Song
The Water is Wide
If I was a blackbird
Lovers Lullaby
Somewhere along the road
Green Fields of France
The Town I loved so well
Both sides the Tweed
Jock o’ Hazeldean
The Parting Glass
Sammys Bar
Universal Soldier
Rose of Allendale
Kelvingrove
You’ve got a friend
Valeries a Woman
Windmills
Wild Mountain Thyme
The Best is yet to come
When all is said and done
Song for Ireland
The trees they do grow high.
Must I be bound
Curragh of Kildare
Glorious Ale.
Rosemary Lane
I need you to turn to
The little Piercer
Hope has a Place
Long long before your time.
Grace
I will love you.
Fhear a Bhata.
The Little Piercer.


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: DaveRo
Date: 27 May 24 - 07:05 AM

Max wrote: I found a great Website that has almost everything. Check out:

http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/index/wwabc.html

It's ascci text notation, but it's handy and quick.
Max's post, from 1996, refers to Chris Walshaw, the inventor of ABC notation.
https://www.gre.ac.uk/people/rep/faculty-of-engineering-and-science/chris-walshaw

abcnotation.com is of course an excellent source of songs and tunes.


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 May 24 - 07:17 AM

in my opinion the best sources of tumes are listening to videos or alternatively music notation, abc is useful only if you have the air of the tune and if you do have that you might as well work it out by ear.
here is a link to the water is wide scottish folk song

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=the+water+is+wide+you+tube+dickmilesmusic#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:64d0d201,vid:zT
BARBARA ALLEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_PoPY-mDpA


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 May 24 - 07:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q1c_t_h1wE&list=PLTLZ1lg0P-ETZOZGDcw3k4Sqtn4R7WJLm&index=3 Nick Dow sings BurdMargaret


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 27 May 24 - 07:40 AM

You wonder if the original poster is still looking for answers nearly 28 years after asking the question. The most recent question may want a reply, though.


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: Sol
Date: 27 May 24 - 09:58 AM

Q: Does the original poster mean 'English' Folk songs in linguistic sense or geographical sense? Just wonderin'.


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: DaveRo
Date: 27 May 24 - 10:27 AM

I see this thread - #2 - "Folk" follows thread #1 - "Blues". There is no thread #3 and in thread #4 "The Mudcat Café" - Max introduces the forum.

I wonder how 'kiwiviv" found the site back in those dial-up days?


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 May 24 - 11:54 AM

Good eye, Dave! I read this thread months ago when I went looking for it after someone pushed #4 to the top. This is the Ur "What is Folk?" thread on Mudcat (and I can't believe I just suggested opening that can of worms!)


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 May 24 - 01:31 PM

What is folk music?

(Ducking ond running)


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 May 24 - 02:48 PM

I think that's enough. Thread closed.


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jun 24 - 02:45 PM

Just lookng at the earlier list and noticing how many of the songs are actualy english. I'll give it a try. Maybe someone else can fill in the gaps?

Jenny Grays Whisky.
Rosebud in June
Sailors Lament
Little Pot Stove
Shoals of Herring
RossTrawlers Return
Mingulay Folk Song - Scottish
The Water is Wide
If I was a blackbird
Lovers Lullaby
Somewhere along the road
Green Fields of France
The Town I loved so well - Irish
Both sides the Tweed - Scottish
Jock o’ Hazeldean - Scottish
The Parting Glass - Irish
Sammys Bar
Universal Soldier - American
Rose of Allendale - Scottish
Kelvingrove
You’ve got a friend - American
Valeries a Woman
Windmills
Wild Mountain Thyme - Scotish
The Best is yet to come
When all is said and done
Song for Ireland - Irish
The trees they do grow high.
Must I be bound
Curragh of Kildare - Irish
Glorious Ale.
Rosemary Lane
I need you to turn to
The little Piercer - Lancashire :-D
Hope has a Place
Long long before your time.
Grace
I will love you.
Fhear a Bhata. - Irish?
The Little Piercer. - A repeat

Do your worst

And thanks for not really closing it, Joe :-)


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 02 Jun 24 - 03:15 PM

This could get a bit repetitive - Any I have changed or added in CAPS (no, I'm not shouting!) And there's a we bit o tongue in cheek with some!

Jenny Grays Whisky.
Rosebud in June
Sailors Lament
Little Pot Stove -SCOTTISH/AUSTRALIAN (Harry Robertson)
Shoals of Herring - SALFORD/??SCOTTISH/Locations mainly English
RossTrawlers Return
Mingulay Folk Song - Scottish
The Water is Wide - AMERICAN/ENGLISH/IRISH/SCOTTISH
If I was a blackbird
Lovers Lullaby
Somewhere along the road - ENGLISH
Green Fields of France - SCOTTISH/AUSTRALIAN
The Town I loved so well - Irish
Both sides the Tweed - Scottish
Jock o’ Hazeldean - Scottish
The Parting Glass - FIRST KNOWN VERSION IS SCOTTISH!
Sammys Bar - MALTESE? Cyril Tawney
Universal Soldier - SCOTTISH - DONOVAN
Rose of Allendale - NORTHUMBRIAN
Kelvingrove - SCOTTISH (GLASGOW)
You’ve got a friend - American
Valeries a Woman
Windmills - LANCASHIRE, ENGLISH
Wild Mountain Thyme - Scottish
The Best is yet to come
When all is said and done - IRISH? Only heard it by Danu
Song for Ireland - Irish but WRITTEN BY AN ENGLISHMAN
The trees they do grow high.
Must I be bound
Curragh of Kildare - Irish, BUT BASED ON A SCOTTISH (BURNS)SONG
Glorious Ale.
Rosemary Lane
I need you to turn to
The little Piercer - Lancashire :-D
Hope has a Place
Long long before your time.
Grace
I will love you. TOM PAXTON - AMERICAN - if you mean that one the Fureys also did?
Fhear a Bhata. - Irish? NO, SCOTTISH GAELIC
The Little Piercer. - A repeat


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jun 24 - 03:22 PM

I thought Universal Soldier was written by Buffy St Marie?


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: GerryM
Date: 02 Jun 24 - 10:55 PM

Yes, Universal Soldier was written by Buffy Sainte-Marie, which I guess makes it Native American. Though Wikipedia says, "Since the early 1960s, Sainte-Marie claimed Indigenous Canadian ancestry, but a 2023 investigation by CBC News concluded she was born in the United States and is of Italian and English descent."


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Subject: RE: Folk
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jun 24 - 12:41 AM

the Water is Wide is generally believed to be scottish, about the Marchioness of Douglas[waly waly] MacColl was English


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Subject: RE: 2024 addendum on 'Folk' thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 03 Jun 24 - 04:34 AM

Oops, slap my wrist for The Universal Soldier!
And, yes, I knew about The Water is Wide: the Waly Waly version is sung quite a bit here in Scotland.
And MacColl - yes, I did mention Salford.


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