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Origins: Santa Fe Trail
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THE SANTA FE TRAIL
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Shorter from Hell to hilary?? (25)
Lyr Req: Wranglin' for Old Santa Fe (8)
In Mudcat MIDIs:
The Santa Fe Trail (from Katie Lee's Ten Thousand Goddam Cattle)
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Subject: Santa Fe Trail From: GUEST,Ralf Weihrauch Date: 08 Feb 00 - 01:18 PM Has anybody got the lyrics. Peter Bellamy sang a wonderful version of it. Thanks, Ralf |
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Subject: Lyr Add: SANTA FE TRAIL (James Grafton Rogers)^^ From: Abby Sale Date: 08 Feb 00 - 01:33 PM Loverly song. Slim Critchlow. THE SANTA FE TRAIL by James Grafton Rogers, 1911 Say, pard have ye sighted a schooner A-hittin' the Santa Fe Trail? They made it here Monday or sooner With a water keg roped on the rail, With Daddy and Ma on the mule-seat And somewhere around on the way A tow-headed gal on a pony A-janglin' for old Santa Fe Oh -- Ah – Oh -- A-janglin' for old Santa Fe. I seen her ride down the arroyos Oh, I know a gal down on the border I don't know her narne, and the prairie 11/16/1821: William Becknell party reaches Santa Fe, N.M. - 1st use of Santa Fe Trail added to DT October 2000 Click to play(tune from Katie Lee's Ten Thousand Goddam Cattle -Joe Offer-) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Charlie Baum Date: 08 Feb 00 - 01:38 PM In the Peter Bellamy version (also Lisa Null, Finest Kind, etc.) the "Oh -- Ah-- Oh--" becomes "Yo-ho! Yo-ho!", and it and the final line repeat on each verse. --Charlie Baum |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Abby Sale Date: 09 Feb 00 - 08:07 AM "Yo-ho! Yo-ho!" is common - I think following Ed McCurdy. It sings better than Oh ah and lends itself to a short whoop after the first "ho" which is how I sing it. It just seemed to _want_ a short whoop there. There are a few othere minor differences, too. Art Thieme would be a good person to ask the source. I posted what I believe is the "correct" (well, the original) version. Taken from Katie Lee who, undoubtedly, though not specifically stated, got it direct from Rogers. The song _did_ go into tradition, however. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Stewie Date: 09 Feb 00 - 07:18 PM Jules Allen recorded the song for Victor in Los Angeles 8 April 1929 under the title 'Longside the Santa Fe Trail'. With minor variations - for example 'fluffles' and 'when you're huntin' one girl it's some wide' - the lyrics are basically what is posted above by Abby. Jules sings 'Oh-oh oh, oh' for the first 2 stanzas and changes to 'yo-ho oh, oh' for the final two - maybe that's where the yo-ho originated. Allen's recording was reissued on LP in 1973 on Richard Weize's Folk Variety label. Weize had the following interesting note:
Although Jules Allen appears not to have known it when he recorded this song and printed it in his 1933 volume 'Cowboy Lore', it was published in sheet music with the title 'The Santa Fe Trail' in 1911 by Comet Publishing Co of Denver Colorado. The words were by James Grafton Rogers, a prominent citizen of Colorado who had recently celebrated his 90th birthday; the melody and arrangement were by John H. Gower, a Denver church organist. When a very young man, Mr Rogers worked on a New York City newspaper and wrote numerous verses and songs that he hoped would qualify for Broadway shows. Later, he became a distinguished attorney, served as Dean of the University of Colorado Law School, and held many other important posts in his home state of Colorado and in the federal government in Washington DC ... Allen's recording has been reissued recently on CD in Yazoo's wonderful 2000 series of compilations: Various Artists 'When I Was a Cowboy Vol 1: Early American Songs of the West' Yazoo 2022. Cheers, Stewie. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Charlie Baum Date: 10 Feb 00 - 12:03 AM Finest Kind learned "Santa Fe Trail" from Peter Bellamy. Peter Bellamy learned it from Lisa Null. Lisa Null learned it from her 2nd grade teacher back in elementary school, in the late 1940s. (This history provided by Lisa Null.) --Charlie Baum |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Abby Sale Date: 10 Feb 00 - 07:59 AM I'm glad to see Stewie's post on this in Grafton getting credit for the song & himself. He wrote other classics ("Town of Old Dolores" also much stolen, & around which she bases her book, eg) but according to Lee, 'The Santa Fe Trail' is one of the Most Copyrighted & stolen songs in America. Long story. Seems there is also an unrelated dance band song, 'Along The Santa Fe Trail.' |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Midchuck Date: 10 Feb 00 - 08:52 AM As I recall, Skip Gorman has also recorded it, with a yodel instead of the "Yo Ho." I love Finestkind's singing, but the yo ho makes it sound like they can't decide if they're singing a sea chanty or a cowboy song. But maybe that's the effect they wanted. If you ever wanted to be convinced of the importance of proper punctuation in language, consider the difference between "Yo Ho!" and "Yo! Ho'!" Peter |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 12 Dec 03 - 10:54 PM Listen to Doughbelly Price singing "Santa Fe Trail." You have to scroll down a ways to find the songs. Doughbelly |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: GUEST,Jon Dudley Date: 13 Dec 03 - 03:25 AM Peter Bellamy's recording is stunning. I see there's a version of this song in the Lomaxes 'Cowboy Songs and other Frontier Ballads'. The argument for its being 'one of the most copyrighted & stolen songs in America' seems to be well substantiated by the copyright being attributed to Sherwin and Klickmann 1934 (!) Robbins Music Corp. in this instance. Aside from this...what fabulous lyrics! viz. "and they drink fancy tea by the pail etc. etc" A great tune too. Love it. Hello Charlie by the way. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Rex Date: 31 Dec 03 - 02:03 PM Our own Art Theme does a fine job with this song on his "That's the Ticket" album. I might mention that I think Mark Gardner and I do the song justice on our cd too, Frontier Favorites: thread.cfm?threadid=61498&messages=15 We do the "Yo ho" on the chorus. We also found an original manuscript by Rogers in the Denver Public Library. He's from these parts you know. One line there was "But Lord, they're all _fluffles_ and beadin',". So that's how we do it. Rex |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Dec 03 - 07:04 PM I grew up with the Ed McCurdy recording--and in my travels around the country (from park job to park job) I always kept a box of cassettes of folksongs in the front seat. Dad recorded them all for me. Singing along is a great way to stay alert while you're driving, and that is a wonderful road song. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 31 Dec 03 - 09:24 PM When I was a kid, we sang a song in school about the Sante Fe trail, totally different than this. It was very slow, and in a minor key. All I remember was singing, "Plod along, plod on the Sante Fe Trail Plod along, plod on the Sante Fe Trail" It may be the most descriptive, authentic, un-romantic line ever to be written in folk music.. :-) Jerry |
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Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: ALONG THE SANTA FE TRAIL From: toadfrog Date: 01 Jan 04 - 02:08 AM Not much to my taste, but here it is. ALONG THE SANTA FE TRAIL (key of C) by Cubin/Coolidge/Grosz As sung by Jimmy Wakley [C] Angels -- come to paint the desert [A-] nightly When the moon is gleaming [F] brightly [F-] Along the [F]Santa [G7] Fe [C] Trail Stardust - scattered all along the [A-] highway On a rainbow colored [F] skyway [F-] Along the [F] Santa [G7] Fe [C] Trail Be - [F] side you - I'm riding [F-] every hill and dale While shadows [C] hide you - just like a [D7] pretty purple veil G7] Thereby hangs a tail. I've [C] found you - and the mountains that sur- [A-] round you Are the walls I built a - [F] round you [F-] Along the [F] Santa [G7] Fe [C] Trail Be - [F] side you - I'm riding [F-] every hill and dale While shadows [C] hide you - just like a [D7] pretty purple veil [G7] Thereby hangs a tail. I've [C] found you - and the mountains that sur- [A-] round you Are the walls I built a - [F] round you [F-] Along the [F] Santa [G7] Fe [C] Trail |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: The O'Meara Date: 01 Jan 04 - 09:39 AM There's a song called "Along the Santa Fe Trail" done by the Sons of the Pioneers, I think from an old Roy Rogers western, that is very pretty and has stayed with me since I first heard it. The only line I can remember now is "Well what do you know, it's mornin' already Just look at the sun comin' over the hill..." Beautiful melody! O'Meara |
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Subject: Lyr Add: SANTA FE TRAIL (Powder River Jack Lee) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 03 Feb 04 - 08:48 PM Lyr. Add: The Santa Fe Trail (Powder River Jack Lee Version) Say, Pard! Have yuh sighted a schooner, way out on the Santa Fe Trail, They made it by Monday or sooner, with a water keg tied on the tail; There was Pappy and Maw on the mule-seat, and somewhere along by the way A little tow-headed gal on a pinto, jest a-dangling fer old Santa Fe. Chorus YO-HO-HO, YO-HO-O-HO Way out on the Santa Fe Trail. I saw her ride down the arroyo, 'way out on the Arkansas sand, With a smile like an acre of sunflowers, and a little brown quirt in her hand; She mounted her pinto so airy, and rode like she carried the mail, And her eyes nigh set fire to the prairie, 'way out on the Santa Fe Trail. I know a gal down by the border, I would ride tuh El Paso to sight, Got acquainted with her shippin' cattle, and I sometimes kiss some gals goodnight. But Lord, they're all fruffles and *sweetin', and afternoon tea by the pail, But I'll stick to me sorter *Sam beatin', way out on the Santa Fe Trail. We mebbe'll make Tooner by sundown, when yore huntin' some gal it's some way, And 'tis shorter from Hell to Hilary than it is on the old Santa Fe. And if we make Tooner by sundown, where a tank may be made in the swale, I will ride with my gal on a pinto, way out on the Santa Fe Trail. *sweetin' - candy. Sam beatin' - liquor. Note by Lee- "The Yo-Ho-Ho-ing, etc., on the range, was like the wailing that we sung to the cattle, and the punchers were not averse to letting their voices out in lusty tones that would sometimes echo for miles. The wailing chorus is sung to air same as verse. With sheet music, p. 18-19, "Cowboy Songs," 1938, Powder River Jack H. Lee, Deer Lodge, Montana, printed by The McKee Printing Company, Butte, Montana. Rogers didn't ever make a big to-do over all the 'cowboy' singers who stole his songs, but he should have sued Lee for this really bad 'remake'. Th first paragraph of Lee's Introduction to his "Cowboy Songs" deserves reading- take a deep breath: "In giving you some of my cowboy songs for publication I wish to say first hand that you will find both the words and music as near correct as it has been possible for us to preserve the original themes and altho it is true that there has always been various versions of American folk songs, the same does not apply so much to cowboy songs as to permit a general revising of the melodies and words which has been done in a way since the advent of radio that not only changes the meaning, but also tends to obliterate from the public mind of today, the fact that there was a general sameness to the airs or melody, and to the authentic songs of the western rangeland of the days when the great trail herds were being driven north from Texas to the markets of the north and to the feeding grounds of Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, the Dakotas and other states where the cattle were fattened before they were driven to the shipping points." End sentence and paragraph. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: GUEST,Doc LeVeque Date: 10 Jun 04 - 10:10 AM The lyrics offered by Toadfrog (02-04-04) present somewhat of a mystery. This song was recorded in the 1940's by the Glenn Miller orchestra. The melody is rather plaintive, but the lyrics pose several questions; I believe it to be otherworldly. "Angels come to paint the desert nightly when the moon is beaming brightly along the Santa Fe Trail Stardust scattered all along the highway on a rainbow colored skyway along the Santa Fe Trail Beside you I'm riding every hill and dale while shadows hide you just like a pretty purple veil thereby hangs a tale I've found you, and the mountains that surround you are the walls I built around you along the Santa Fe Trail" "Angels", "shadows that hide you", "a tale", "walls I built around you"............this all bespeaks (at least to me) that the composer(s), Cubin/Coolidge/Groscz, had something more in mind than yet another 1940's ballad. N'est ce pas? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Sandy Paton Date: 11 Jun 04 - 12:54 AM O'Meara's couple of lines (above)seem to me to be from a song I heard but failed to learn many years ago, "Along the Navajo Trail." Anyone know the rest of it? Sandy |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Along the Navaho Trail From: GUEST,Loretta Date: 11 Jun 04 - 01:25 AM Hey there all of you lovers of cowboy songs! I am looking for the lyrics of "Along the Navaho Trail" I thank you in advance. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: GUEST,mhoppes@mchsi.com Date: 27 Jan 05 - 10:38 PM Jerry, I remember that song too: Plod along, plod along the Santa Fe Trail. Plod along, plod along the Santa Fe Trail. Oh, the desert sun is bold. And the desert nights are cold. On we plod through choking sand, Cactus, sage on either hand, Through the bare and burning land. Oh, the desert stretches wide, And the Indians watch us ride! Such a cheerful little song for second graders. I remember the tune too--I have sung this to friends to demonstrate the delights of my Catholic School childhood. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 27 Jan 05 - 11:00 PM "Along the Navajo Trail," Andrews-Crosby version, and others, in thread 18051: Navajo Trail |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: DonMeixner Date: 28 Jan 05 - 12:24 AM I like Art's version of this song. I found it in my copy of Jules Allen's book of songs and cowboy lore. Don |
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Subject: Lyr Add: ALONG SIDE THE SANTA FE TRAIL From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 28 Jan 05 - 01:08 AM Might 's well have Jules Allens' version of the James Grafton Rogers classic here. Lyr. Add: ALONG SIDE THE SANTA FE TRAIL Say pard have you *sited a schooner Long side of the Santa Fe trail? They made it here Monday or sooner They had a water keg tied on the tail. There was daddy and ma on the mule seat; and somewhere along the way was a tow headed gal on a Pinto just a janglin for old Santa Fe. Yo-ho, ho, oh, oh, just a janglin for old Santa Fe. I seen her ride down the Arroya Way back on the Arkansas sands; She had a smile like an acre of Sunflowers And a quirt in her little brown hand. She mounted her Pinto so airy, She rode like she carried the mail, And her eyes ne'er set fire to the prairie Long side of the Santa Fe trail. Yoho-ho, oh, oh long side of the Santa Fe trail. I know a gal down on the border That I'd ride to El Paso to site. I'm acquainted with the high-flyin' orders And I some times kiss some gals good-night. But lord they're all fluffles and beaden And drink afternoon tea by the pail, I'm not used to that sort of stampedin', Long side of the Santa Fe trail. Now I don't know her name on the prairie, For when you're huntin' one gal it's some wide. And it's shorter from hell to Helarie Then it is on that Santa Fe ride. So I'll try to make Plumbers, by sundown Where a camp can be made in the swale, Then I'll come on that gal with her Pinto She'll be camped by the Santa Fe trail. Yoho-ho, oh, oh she'll be camped by the Santa Fe trail. Jules Verne Allen, "Cowboy Lore, pp. 138-140, with music. *Spelling and punctuation preserved. The Naylor Company, San Antonio, Texas, 1935 (Copy from the library of the Lazy Bar I-C Ranch, Pecos County, Texas). |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Artful Codger Date: 22 Mar 07 - 01:53 AM Minor corrections: The "Along the Santa Fe Trail" was written by Al Dubin (not Cubin); incidentally, Grosz and Coolidge are Will Grosz and Edwina Coolidge. And it was sung by Jimmy Wakely (not Wakley). |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: olddude Date: 24 Mar 10 - 09:58 AM One of the great songs ever I think, I have not heard anyone play it as well or with such feeling as Art Thieme. I sure wish more people would play this song and put it in their set ... What a wonderful song do ya think |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: DonMeixner Date: 24 Mar 10 - 12:09 PM I always have it in my set list. Don |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: olddude Date: 24 Mar 10 - 12:57 PM I would love to hear your version Don I bet it is superb Dan |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: DonMeixner Date: 24 Mar 10 - 01:19 PM Thanks, I think it's pretty OK. Don |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 May 11 - 05:03 PM It's on my Youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 May 11 - 05:16 PM Sorry - that's http://www.youtube.com/user/mgmyer |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Ross Campbell Date: 04 May 11 - 09:51 PM http://www.youtube.com/user/mgmyer |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 May 11 - 10:35 PM Thank you, Ross. I never can get these clickies to work for me. Nobody's perfect! ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Artful Codger Date: 05 May 11 - 12:08 AM Try the "Make a link" link (right below the message entry box). It's designed specifically for those who "can never get these clickies to work". |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: MGM·Lion Date: 05 May 11 - 12:37 AM I keep doing so Codger ~ but for some reason the copy always disappears as I go from stage to stage. I have concluded that the app just plain doesn't like me. But thanks for your help. ~Michael~ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Artful Codger Date: 05 May 11 - 03:30 AM Then try the easy way: <a href="your URL here">clicky text</a> "a", if you're wondering, stands for "anchor"; the same tag is used to define anchor points in a page that you can later link to. Whether I've used the "Make a link" feature or the explicit encoding, I've never had the links disappear--unless the entire post did! Curious behavior... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: olddude Date: 05 May 11 - 10:40 PM very nice Ross thank you for sharing |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Amos Date: 07 May 14 - 11:43 AM Ed McCurdy's fine rendition of this dusty tale can be found by clicking this. A |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 May 14 - 12:15 PM Has anyone found the original sheet music by Rogers (1911) with music by J. H. Gower, on the net? Comet Publishing Co., Denver. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Jack Blandiver Date: 08 May 14 - 04:21 AM Ever sang this slow? I did it once as an ultra-slow waltz and couldn't get through it for blubbing. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Joe Offer Date: 10 May 14 - 12:47 AM refresh, compensating for our downtime |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: GUEST,BuffaloBob159 Date: 17 Nov 15 - 06:29 PM I found the discussion about the "other worldly" intentions of Al Durbin (he wrote the lyrics of "Santa Fe Trail" while Will G. actually wrote the tune. Edwina was given credit for personal reasons) to be fascinating since I've always wondered about the dopey lyrics to a beautiful tune. Anyone else found anything? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Mark Ross Date: 18 Nov 15 - 12:47 AM My favorite version of this was by the late Glenn Ohrlin. Mark Ross |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Nov 15 - 01:32 AM My favorite is by Ed McCurdy: Along Side the Santa Fe Trail. McCurdy's version scans better than the first set of lyrics posted. I wonder if that first set is transcribed? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Santa Fe Trail From: GUEST,Susie Rogers Date: 04 Aug 24 - 12:20 PM James Grafton Rogers was my grandfather. I listened to him sing "Santa Fe Trail" many times. He had a lovely tenor voice, played the organ and/or piano, and would sing the song in a slower tempo ballad-like tradition, not a not a CW twangy guitar kind of sound. I've listened to several recordings of the song; the voice and tempo that is closest to his is Peter Bellamy singing "Old Dolores". |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Santa Fe Trail From: Rex Date: 05 Aug 24 - 01:37 PM The folks in Georgetown still love and remember James and Cora. It is good to hear from one of the family. I get in touch with James G. R. Hart now and then. The Santa Fe Trail and Old Dolores are a regular part of my cowboy sets. I learned Old Dolores from Mag Hayden who tells me she learned it from some of your family. Rex |
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