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Willie-O's Song Challenge

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Subject: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Willie-O
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 10:58 AM

The way the contents of Aine's Mudcat Songbook are ordered, the first song listed is my ballad "1743", because the index puts numbered titles in sequence first, then alphabetizes the rest.

So here's my challenge: write a song about a year or event which preceded 1743 AD, (as far back as 1742 BC actually), entitle it accordingly, and knock me out of the top spot! I dare ya!

Rules? There's just one: Aine's gotta like it enough to put it in. (I of course defer to her excellent judgment.) I don't want to get on the wrong side of our red-haired Tex-Irish Gaelic Goddess, so submissions should be real songs of high quality only, worthy of inclusion.

Or else really, really terrible. But definitely no dancing leprechauns.

Write on!

Yours, eh, Willie-O


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 11:09 AM

I'm working on one for ye, Willie.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 11:55 AM

This is a rough draft, with lots of room for improvement. The story it could tell is so complex it could go on for pages, but for the purposes of this thread, let it lie...

1066

Come forth, come forth, ye Saxon theigns!
Ye blue blooded heros many
Stand up, stand up to William's hordes
From Bogside to Boeny

Your homes and sons and loving wives
The tyrants will be wasting
Come forth, bold  churls, and armoured ride
And meet us down at Hasting

At Stanford Bridge, brave Harold's men
Hadrada's force  have smitten
And now three hundred miles will march
To Caldbec, it is written

With long swords high the foe we will meet
Our battle lines are forming,
Be not misled by bold retreat,
Beware the wiley Norman

But Hastings grasses ran with blood
Where Edwin's sons lay dying
And Tostig's shades are standing there
Where the Norman flag is flying

Our fyrd and fleet all broken lie
Their battle axes broken
On Hastings field, by pennants high
Cruel  treachery is spoken

Farewell to Wight, where Danish hordes
Have burst our barriers through
Weep long, you Saxon maidens fair
For the men that William slew

Now Angle men and Picts so bold,
In flight and fear are calling
The fields is red with blood once  true,
And England fair  has fallen.
 


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Áine
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 12:00 PM

Well, I have to say that I'm impressed. Well done, Amos! This will definitely go into the Songbook!

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: MMario
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 12:09 PM

1603-March 25th

Does anyone here remember Good King Harry? He was England when I was young It seems like yesterday That he was on the throne But I just turned around and he is gone.

Does anyone here remember Harry's son? Why did he have to die so young? It seems like yesterday That he was on the throne but I just turned around and he is gone

Does anyone here remember Bloody Mary? Can't say I'm sad that she is gone But it seems just yesterday that she was on the throne And I just turned around and she is gone.

Has anyone here seen Good Queen Bess? She's ruled us all for oh so long; It seems just yesterday When she was young and strong Then I turned around and she was gone.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 12:10 PM

Hey, Willie, was there a bet riding on this? I'm over on Mudcat Island, ready to collect. A pint of dark rum will settle the matter -- just look for the gleaming schooner, or I may be dancing in the sands with a lady like a dove... :>))


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 01:21 PM

Willie,

You'll need to buy two pints. I'm betting Mario qualifies.

Here's a toast in black rum to the passing of kings and queens. They certainly made life interesting!

A


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Áine
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 01:29 PM

I don't know, MMario, I'm having a little trouble with your preferring Bess over Queen Mary -- I just lean that way, if you know what I mean ... Do you think you can come up with a verse that maybe mentions Bonnie Prince Charlie in a positive light? I might reconsider then ... ;-)

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: MMario
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 01:59 PM

hey! It's BLOODY MARY TUDOR I have problems with, not MARY STUART

you know,Bess's big half-sis, the one who burned people at the stake, married the spainard, had a fit when parliment wouldn't grant him the crown, had hysterical pregnancies and died.

Mary Stuart on the other hand outlived a couple of husbands (not to mention lovers) and was the mom of Jamie the first and sixth, despite some political bloopers, not the least of which was to trust Bess, even though she (Mary) claimed Bess's throne.

Bonnie Prince Charlie is way way way in the future


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 02:34 PM

I will never cease to be amazed at the sheer creativity of these guys!


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Áine
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 02:37 PM

Whooops! Slipped on my centuries there, MMario. I apologize. I forgot we were limited timewise. Just calm those poetic feathers down now, OK?

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 02:37 PM

Well, at least now we know where Mario's been hanging out...he walking to and fro in the 17th century.

A


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: MMario
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 02:55 PM

Actually, usually the 16th century,(my favorite year is 1585) but Bess lived so bloody long I had to set this one in the 17th.

Áine - the "Mary Tudor"/"Mary Stuart" identity mixup is one of my pet peeves; especially since I have had people rant on to me about Bess killing her sister (her sister was dead before Bess got the throne). Of course Mary Stuart was a relative too, but cousin's daughter IS at least a bit further removed then sister.

"Bess is our King"

England has no king, some people say;
Bess Tudor's in need of a man
She's getting a bit long in the tooth
Better grab one while she can!

But Bess is our King, I'm glad to say, What need for a man on the throne? She's doing the job, why should we complain? When she's doing just fine on her own

Ol' Bloody Mary, now she was wed
Took Phillip of Spain to her bed!
She hoped for an heir, and maybe a spare
But all it got her was dead!

But Bess is our King, I'm glad to say, What need for a man on the throne? She's doing the job, why should we complain? When she's doing just fine on her own

Mary of Scotland had Husbands three
Two died, and one ran away
Now she's all alone, and she's lost her throne
Because of the men in her way

But Bess is our King, I'm glad to say, What need for a man on the throne? She's doing the job, why should we complain? When she's doing just fine on her own

Isabella they say, was the ruler of Spain
But Ferdinand claimed the same
When she'd say "aye" then he'd say "Nay" And vice-versa the other way!

But Bess is our King, I'm glad to say, What need for a man on the throne? She's doing the job, why should we complain? When she's doing just fine on her own

Catherine the Great, just couldn't relate
to the men in Russia 'tis said
and that is why, on the day that she died
she was with her horse instead!

But Bess is our King, I'm glad to say, What need for a man on the throne? She's doing the job, why should we complain? When she's doing just fine on her own


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Willie-O
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 03:59 PM

Well done fellas. You had a much more creative afternoon than I did, trying to figure out how and where to code in #$%^&*#$%^ Visual Basic.

Guess there's a reason "12 Easy Lessons in Visual Basic" was so cheap...hey! maybe I can get my place back there...nah.

Now can't someone get into the first millennium?

See you on the island.

W-O


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Crowhugger
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 04:01 PM

If only the teachers had told us that there'd be a good reason to memorize historical dates. Alas.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 04:05 PM

Actually, Willie, I have it on good authority that there is no such place as the first millenium....go figger.:>)

A


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Mbo
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 06:58 PM

I wrote a song all about Willaim Wallace's exploits after watching Braveheart, but know after reading the REAL history and finding out that the movie was a big crock of hooey (I HATE what they did to The Bruce) I don't sing it anymore....but if you want to see the historically inaccurate lyrics, I'll be glad to post them. BTW I kept the tune..it became "Robert The Bruce's March." It was the first Celtic song I wrote--and spawned the whole songwriting thing for me. Sins of my young age.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: MMario
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 08:01 PM

see Mbo, if you live long enough your sins WILL come back to haunt you.

I would be interested in seeing the lyrics (of course)


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 08:26 PM

I thik Mbo needs a few more sins before he has to worry much...

A


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Crowhugger
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 08:45 PM

..."Null is the number of my true..." Nope, won't trip up the indexing.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 09:15 PM

001

In the year of zero-one
Harsh cruelty its work had done
The Romans had their little fun
On the hill of Calvary

But they had not considered Saul
And Mark, and Matthew, John and Paul
And the messages they carried all
The Empire's end would see

Long after the barbaric knell
Dispersed the legions half to hell
Their stories still the monks would tell
Across the Northern seas

(Left for others to continue as they wish)

A


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 09:21 PM

Well, that's done it then! Now we'll have to go BCE!! And, I was all set to write of 1170, from a personal perspective! Pshaw!

Alley oop, oop, oop, oop (or however many oops there were!)


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Mbo
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 09:51 PM

Well, here it is. The terrible innacurate history of William Wallace thanks to Hollywood.

BLOODY EDWARD

By Matthew Richards

In days of yore, so long ago
We marched out, to meet the hated foe
So that our bonnie homeland would not go
To the bloody English King, oh oh
To Bloody Edward, King.

We met them on the field that day
At Stirling bridge we had our say
We drove the English foe away
To our land come no more, no no
To our land come no more

The vallies echoed with the sound
Of many boots that shook the ground
Our Highland pipes, they drove us on
To claim what did to us belong
The clan's old tartans there arrayed
And claymores sharp in arms upraised
'Cross places no one had been before
Scotland's men--we go to war!

We took the Highlands, we took the Low
From the Isle of Skye to Edinburgh
And places only Scotsmen know
From the bloody English King, oh oh
From Bloody Edward, King.

Sir William Wallace led our lot
Through winter freezing and summer hot
A grim and awesome force he wrought
Against the bloody English king, oh oh
Against Bloody Edward, King.

Well, Bloody Edward and his host
They gave the wound that hurt us most
At Falkirk our army was made a ghost
By the bloody English king, oh oh
By Bloody Edward, King.

The vallies echoed with the sound
Of worn-out boots that tread the ground
Our Highland pipes, they did not play
As we retreated back the way
Thatwe had come so long ago
The ways that only Scotsmen know
'Cross places we had fought before
The Scottish men return from war.

Well, we carried on the fight for years
Both shedding blood and shedding tears
Trying not to show our fears
The the bloody English king, no no
To Bloody Edward, King.

They captured Wallace--what an end!
They hoped with torture then to bend
His mind, instead he gave his head
To the bloody English king, oh oh
To Bloody Edward, King.

It was a horrid day for all
But Robert the Bruce took up our call
Again we march out straight and tall
Against the bloody English king, oh oh
Against Edward's son, the King.

The vallies echo with the sound
Of many boots that shake the ground
Our Highland pipes, they drive us on
To reclaim what does to us belong
The clan's old tartans there arrayed
And claymores sharp in arms upraised
'Cross places Death had seen before
Scotland's men we go to war.

Well, we gained our freedom, gained our land
With gallant Robert, we made our stand
Yes we, the valiant Scottish band
At Bannockburn we won, oh oh
At Bannockburn WE WON!

Matthew Richards (1997)


--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Willie-O
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 11:59 AM

C'mon kat, go ahead with 1170...no sense quitting just cause some glory hog went straight to the logical winning post. You'll still be top three! I gotta say, 1066 and 001 (the latter is also probably historically inaccurate) are rather obvious choices...aren't there more obscure dates and events to commemorate?

Dig for it! It ain't over even though its a foregone conclusion! W-O


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Mbo
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 12:15 PM

I did do a song mentioning the strength and valor of Vercengetorix, the Gallic chieftain who lost to Julius Caeser at the battle of Alesia.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 12:57 PM

Virginia Dare(1606)

Each evening as the sun does set, I stand upon the shore
To gaze upon the endless sea, to hear the breakers roar
To seek against horizon's edge the bright returning sails
Until the stars are in the East, and the fading daylight fails.

It has been nine summers now since my birth in Roanoke
and six years since the fever came to claim my friends and folk
Brave Raleigh swore he would return, when he left with galleons three
But it is nine years, and still no sign of sail upon the sea.

One hundred twenty-seven souls dwelled in our colony
But hunger and the pestilence brought us down to twenty three
Ananias, my Father, and my Mother Ellinor
Were buried with the others on this dark and foreign shore.

And though the drought was savage, with little for any to eat
A tribe of Indians took us in and gave us corn and meat
They took us in their canoes from the death at Roanoke
And Will Clarke carved our new home's name "Croatoan" on an oak.

And I am nine years old now, and these people think it odd
I long for returning strangers, from England's foreign sod
But still I stand upon the shore, and search for foreign sails
Until the stars are in the East, and the fading daylight fails.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: MMario
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 01:19 PM

Lej! goosebumps as I read the above. Fantastic!


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Willie-O
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 01:26 PM

Oh the year was 776.
How I wish I was in Constantinople now...

Gauls! Damn them all, I was rowed
With a crew of Huns and a chest of gold
We'd fire no boats, roast no steers
But I'm a roastin now on a Gallic Byre
Holy Romans, don't come here!

Doesn't really scan right. whatever.

W-O


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Troll
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 01:27 PM

Centurian, why have you come here from Rome Through the forests of Britain from the channel's white foam? Who sent you to die so far from your home, In the cold misty highlands of Alba.

Ch.For ye march from your wall with your sword in your hand. Ye harry the border, then march back again. But shun ye the highlands, the heather and glen. For ye'll rue the day ye saw Alba.

O Romes conquered Persia and Romes conquered Gaul And Romes conquered Britain for Rome conquers all. At the edge of your empire ye've builded a wall, For ye know ye will not conquer Alba.

ch.

Ye Gauls and ye Germans.Ye poor conquered folk. Bow down to your masters or your backs will be broke. Caledonia will ne'er wear the harsh Roman yoke. And the Romans will never rule Alba.

ch.

Centurian, why have ye come here from Rome? Throght forested Britain from the channels white foam. For the corbies will quarrel as they pick o'er your bones, Where ye died in the highlands of Alba.

ch.

troll

copyright N.W.Johnson


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: MMario
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 01:57 PM

troll!?! Tune?


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Troll
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 02:03 PM

Sorry MM. I have no way to transmit it. It's in the key of "E" minor tho.

troll


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 02:14 PM

Wowww! Poets all! I am hornswoggled at these beautiful pieces, guys. Brethren blood. Fine, fine, fine and fair, nicely done. Beautiful!

A


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 05:58 PM

I've been trying to work it out - I'd assume that if it's number and then alphabetically, that would mean AD would have to go in front of BC, and you couldn't get a sonmgh earlier than 1AD. So if it goes by dates, first in the line could be a Christmas Carol of sorts:

1AD and 1BC

1AD and 1BC
came and went mysteriously,
angels singing joyfully
shepherds, stars and Wise Men Three,
ox and ass and you and me,
something new has come to be

>/I>

And you could sing that to the tune of "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star", as a round.

On the other hand, I imagine that symbols would come even before numbers, though I dont know what order they'd come in. You could have a song about money with the title: £ & $ = ?% But I won't try writing it. I suppose it could exist of unspeakable profanities: ******* & ****, #~!#. £$£$!!.****** & ****!

Incidentally, I can't see any reason to prefer Elizabeth Tudor to Mary Tudor. Both of them went in for killing religious opponents on a fairly big scale, though nothing much compared to the kind of thing we've seen in the 20th century. And so far as Ireland was concerned, both were bad news, though Elizabeth was worse.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Willie-O
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 06:21 PM

Holy Roman Empire, Troll, that was great! Did you just crank that out on the spot? (Are you Brian McNeill or someone like that? If you are, I wanna hear the tune.)

The natural title for it would seem to be "Alba".

And LEJ, I missed yours before--great piece. For those who don't know, Virginia Dare is on record as the first child born to any European colonists in North America. And that colony was one that disappeared without a trace, leaving nothing but a mystery. (See the notes attached to my song "1743", there's a tie-in there, although purely speculative).

Damn, this is great stuff. We oughtta make a record...

W-O


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Troll
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 06:31 PM

Willie-O, I wrote that song about six years ago but it came very quickly. I don't know how to transmit the tune.I have no midi interface available. If someone could tell me how to do it I would be grateful.

Most of the time the idea comes and the song writes itself. Usually the idea and the tune come together. I haven't written anything for almost 5 years but I think that the dry spell may be ending. We'll see.

And no, I'm not Brian O'Neil. I'm

troll


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Áine
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 06:32 PM

Dear Troll,

Is the song about the Centurian your own?

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Áine
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 06:37 PM

Dear Troll,

Well, never mind about the authorship, but what's the title?

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Troll
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 06:48 PM

The song is mine. The title is, strangely enough, "Alba".

troll


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Ferrara
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 07:29 AM

Whoa. This thread is so fantastic I feel like I'm on a roller coaster of emotions and reactions. These are great songs (or probably would be, if we knew any of the tunes....) LEJ, your depiction of Virginia Dare brought tears to my eyes even though I suspect that if she lived, she grew up quite happily as an adoptive native American with few qualms about it all. It's a beautiful, moving image though. There's so much imagination in all these songs! Troll, I loved "Alba," too.

For me, putting tunes on Mudcat has always been difficult. But here are some tricks. First, there's a shareware program called Noteworthy Composer, I think it's about $40.00 to register for it but you can use it for free for a while and save the resulting files. It lets you type in sheet music and plays it back for you, then saves it as a MIDI file. If you message my spouse, Bill D, he can tell you more. Then, once NWC turns your sheet music into a MIDI file, there's ABCMUS to turn it into a format that can be uploaded. Or, you can just e-mail the MIDI to anyone who has a MIDI player. (I haven't been very successful with ABC myself but other folks use it all the time.) I wouldn't be nattering on about this except that I think there's a great collection of songs here and would love to know some of the tunes. - Rita F


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Áine
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 09:55 AM

There ya go, guys -- I think I found all your songs and put them on the Mudcat Songbook. Please go look at your song(s), and let me know if any corrections are needed. Well done, everyone!

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Willie-O
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 12:22 PM

Thanks again Aine.

Kat and Mbo, still waiting to see your 1170 and Vercingetcetera pieces...

And Amos, I didn't mean to disparage your fine work on "001" and "1066"--just didn't want the fun to end so quickly.

Troll, I learned (arguably) enough ABC in about half a day's worth of trial-and-error to post the melody of "1743" which is now in the Book. Learned it from the help file in ABCMus, which like many other ABC programs and collections is available from the ABC Home Page It really is easy if you only try to approximate the rhythm...making all the note values add up is still beyond me but ABCMus doesn't much care.

W-O


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 02:08 PM

Ferrara, I hope you are right about Virginia growing up happy as a native american. In fact, she may have died in infancy. My thought behind the song was this: Had she survived ( along with some few others from the Roanoke Colony), Raleigh, her parents, the galleons and England itself would have been well remembered by the surviving adults, but she would know them only through stories. In a way, they might have become part of a personal mythology to her, a mythology that would seem doubly magical for having no counterpart in her new life. Life would have been difficult at best living as a member of a native tribe- I believe she would have seen the galleon sails as s sort of divine intervention.

Raleigh did in fact return to Roanoke in 1601, four years after Virginia's birth, but no trace was found of the colony other than the carved word "Croatoan" on a tree.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Áine
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 02:28 PM

Dear LEJ,

Along with your last post, could you please write a sentence or two explaining who Virginia Dare was -- I'd like to add it to your songpage as a little bit of historical commentary on your song. If that's OK with you -- it makes it a little easier for our international friends to understand the songs.

Thanks, Áine


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: MMario
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 02:30 PM

Artistic license. A four year old wouldn't have been able to sing such a lovely song now, would she?


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Amos
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 02:49 PM

The thoughts are the song. She just would't ha'been able to put them into words.

But that's why we have masters like LEJ around!


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 02:56 PM

MMario..in the song I indicate she is nine.

Virginia Dare was the first child born to English Colonists in North America. Her parents were Ananias and Ellinor Dare, Ananias being the Governor of the Roanoke Colony. She was born the year of the colony's establishment, 1597. Three months after her birth, Sir Walter Raleigh (the Founder of Roanoke) returned to England for additional supplies and settlers. The outbreak of hostilites with the Spanish prevented Raleigh's return until 1601, when no trace was found of the Roanoke Colony, other than the word Croatoan carved on a tree. Genetic studies on a local Native American tribe indicate the presence of European DNA, suggesting the survivors were absorbed into the local Native American population.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: MMario
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 03:06 PM

Lej - I know you said she was nine, but you also said Raliegh hadn't returned, but he DID return in 1601, when she would have been 4. that's what I meant about artistic license.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 04:13 PM

Mmario...no one is sure where Croatoan was. My thought is that if it were in close proximity to Roanoke, Raleigh would have found the settlers, or they would have found him. And so, although he did return, his arrival may have been completely unknown to any survivors. At least, that's the premise in the song.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: MMario
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 04:32 PM

okey-dokey.

I personally think Raleigh missed the island totaly when he went back, and made up the entire story. He never was very reliable you know.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: GUEST,Willie-O on the Upstairs Computer
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:18 PM

Had a way with the ladies, though, except he finally tried Liz' patience once too often about something or other that seemed important at the time. Well, here's mud on yer cloak...

Chop!

W-O


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Áine
Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:42 PM

Hey LEJ,

Did you get my message about the 'historical commentary' on your songpage?

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Crowhugger
Date: 18 Feb 00 - 06:26 PM

Refreshing.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Bradypus
Date: 18 Feb 00 - 07:19 PM

1 BC

Nothing much happened in 1BC
They didn't even know the date
The folks alive were living
And the dead ones all were late

The Romans still were roaming
The Greeks were Greek to me
The soldiers were out fighting
The sailors sailed the sea

The farmers sowed and harvested
The woodmen chopped down wood
And somewhere down in Nazareth
A little boy was good.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Áine
Date: 18 Feb 00 - 07:30 PM

Bradypus(just one 's'),

Is that all? Come on, give us a couple more verses!

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: GUEST,billbunter
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 11:48 AM

1 2 3 o'leary.
how I love my beer eeh

Just send a cheque if there's a prize


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Aug 13 - 12:47 PM

Refreshing this old song challenge because it was so much fun, and because I finally put a tune to my entry.


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Subject: RE: Willie-O's Song Challenge
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 23 Aug 13 - 08:03 AM

I think it is time for a new series of "official" Song Challenges, preferably with new ideas about the "rules". (I would happily participate if I were a lyricist. If someone has an idea about a tune writing Challenge, I'll be in it.)


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