Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS

Subject: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: GUEST,ALICAT OF COALTOWN
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 11:18 AM

Hi, Does anyone have any traditional Manx folk songs from the Isle of Man. We are a 3 girl folk group looking for specific Manx songs and chord that will adapt well to unaccompanied song. we have a few but would like more if there is a source. Here's hoping Alicat

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: MMario
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 11:46 AM

there are a few at this site

url = http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/manx/fulltext/ms1896/

with hopefully more to come....

and more here

url = http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/manx/fulltext/mb1896/index.htm

and here

url = http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/manx/fulltext/ms1914/index.htm

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: GUEST,Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 05 Mar 00 - 10:12 AM

You have been pointed towards Frances Coakley's web site, where the first and third refer to 'national songs', sometimes based (and then only loosely) on traditional material. The second page is from the A W Moore collection of traditional material.

Unfortunately, I don't know whether you have a guide to pronouncing Manx - its orthography disguises its connections with Irish and Scottish Gaelic.

However, there were versions of the traditional songs rendered into singable English versions, but needless to say they aren't online or even generally available these days.

No, I'm a liar. Having said all that, the Douglas Kennedy 'Folksongs of the British Isles' (I think that's the title) has a section with Manx songs in, with singable English versions by Mona Douglas.

And finally, the reason for pulling this up again is that I did attempt to reply some time ago, hit a problem and have just got round to doing so again. Sorry about that. Get in touch through here or by e-mail if you want any info.

Shoh slaynt,

Bobby Bob

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: GUEST,Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 05 Mar 00 - 06:54 PM

Not only a liar, but a half-wit too. As my associate, BigJ, pointed out (we take hot Bovril together in a health spar not far from our respective doorsteps), my reference should have been to Peter Kennedy,

There's lots more ignorance where that came from.

Mish, lesh red ennagh,

Bobby Bob

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Mar 00 - 06:56 PM

Bobby Bob for President!!!

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: Troll
Date: 05 Mar 00 - 11:43 PM

Bobby Bob--Since when did BigJ take to drinking Bovril! My God! Bushy's will close down and stock in Guiness will take a nose-dive if word of this ever gets out. Health spa indeed!

troll

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 06 Mar 00 - 09:10 PM

Talk to or listen to Emma Christian - beautiful, etherial and Manx. Of course, I may have got the wrong Emma, in which case, I'm sorry, but there is a Manx harpist and singer, called Emma, who is beautiful and etherial and sings in Manx Gaelic. I'm too cold to go downstairs and look for her CD, and I'm too far into the drink to remember....

LTS

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: GUEST,bigJ
Date: 06 Mar 00 - 09:16 PM

Yep, that's what Bovril will do to you!

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: GeorgeH
Date: 07 Mar 00 - 11:07 AM

Liz, you're right it's Emma Christian (fairly recently a student at U of Cambridge, as I recall). Don't really agree with your appraisal of her performance, though - it's certainly pleasant enough, but has far TOO much of the "classical musician discovering her cultural roots" feel of RESPECT! She needs to let the music speak for itself rather more . .

G.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: Troll
Date: 07 Mar 00 - 12:44 PM

bigJ Why don't you and BobbyBob join so you can be contacted via message rather than having to wait til you show up on a thread?

troll

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: GUEST,Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 07 Mar 00 - 07:05 PM

Actually, I've tried to join up on more than one occasion, but for some reason it doesn't seem to stick.

I'm sure you'll find on occasion I've posted something without being GUEST, but lately I seem to have dropped out of favour!

Is there someone out there trying to tell me something . . .?

Mish, as yindys orrym,

Bobby Bob

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: GUEST,Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 08 Mar 00 - 02:01 PM

Just to advise about Emma Christian.

There's an ancient title given to old-established landowners in the Isle of Man, and it's 'Captain of the Parish'. It used to carry a number of duties, but these days is largely honorific.

Emma's father, William Daniel Christian, is Captain of the Parish of Kirk Bride, and his father, also William Daniel Christian, was Captain of the Parish before him. The Christian family have been farming Ballakeigh in Kirk Bride since before the end of the sixteenth century.

Emma herself used to take part in Yn Chruinnaght, a festival of Manx traditional material, when she was a youngster.

Because of her musical ability, she was sent to Chethams School in Manchester, which specialises in music, at the age of about 13.

Her playing these days no doubt reflects her training at that time.

Shoh slaynt,

Bobby Bob

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: IanC
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 12:11 PM

Hi

I'm just refreshing this thread, and including a link to the Manx Music Thread because I've just added a New temporary section in the Basic Folk Library on my website (eventually it will go into a subsection "COUNTRIES / Man".

If anyone can recommend any books etc. not already there and not in this or the Manx Music thread, could you let me know?

Thanks!
Ian

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: Les from Hull
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 06:16 PM

There's a whole chapter in The Peter Kennedy Book 'Folksongs of the British Isles', words and music and lots of information.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: MMario
Date: 30 Aug 01 - 10:10 AM

Section IV of 'Folksongs of Britain and Ireland' (Peter Kennedy) has 12 songs and notes on them. also two pages of bibliography

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: MANX FOLK SONGS
From: IanC
Date: 30 Aug 01 - 11:31 AM

Thanks chaps. I've already got that. There's also a new COUNTRIES/Man section on my website now with a few books (mostly republished online) which might be of interest!

Cheers!
Ian