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Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs

Timbobbin 29 Feb 00 - 08:13 AM
harpgirl 29 Feb 00 - 08:25 AM
GUEST,Barry Finn 29 Feb 00 - 09:07 AM
Grab 29 Feb 00 - 09:22 AM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 29 Feb 00 - 11:10 AM
GeorgeH 29 Feb 00 - 11:18 AM
AndyG 29 Feb 00 - 12:08 PM
Ringer 29 Feb 00 - 12:55 PM
Metchosin 29 Feb 00 - 02:04 PM
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Llanfair 29 Feb 00 - 02:31 PM
Barry Finn 29 Feb 00 - 08:30 PM
harpgirl 29 Feb 00 - 09:51 PM
Barry Finn 29 Feb 00 - 11:18 PM
GUEST 01 Mar 00 - 12:43 AM
Liam's Brother 01 Mar 00 - 08:13 AM
GUEST,marion. 01 Mar 00 - 08:54 AM
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AndyG 01 Mar 00 - 12:07 PM
harpgirl 01 Mar 00 - 04:39 PM
Snuffy 01 Mar 00 - 08:35 PM
GUEST,Jake 02 Mar 00 - 02:07 AM
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GeorgeH 02 Mar 00 - 06:17 AM
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Subject: Lancashire folk songs
From: Timbobbin
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 08:13 AM

I'm looking for lyrics and chords for songs from the industrial north west of England, particularly Lancashire. I haven't found many in the database. All assistance will be much appreciated.

Ta,

Graham


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: harpgirl
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 08:25 AM

...my grandad was from Blackburn and he used to sing a song about "rushing the growler" which has a variant in the DT called No Moore Booze. I used the term growler in the search box. Bruce O will probably have some interesting things to say about songs from Lancashire. I'd like to sing some more as well. Good question!...harpgirl


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 09:07 AM

I've got a book at home that I think is of industrial songs from that area, I'll check when I get home (won't be till long after midnight so I probably won't get a chance to post till tomorrow night so time). Barry


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Grab
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 09:22 AM

The Manchester Rambler is a goody - I assume you've found that already though.

Grab.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 11:10 AM

Check out the Gracie Fields web site in Rochdale. I used to drink in the Tim Bobbin years ago. There are many Lancashire sea shanties. Donkey Riding, Roll the Old Chariot Along, Leaving of Liverpool, Blow the Man Down,Rio Grande, Whip Jamboree etc.. I would try and contact John Tams because he would know a lot of songs from Lancashire. Yours,Aye.Dave


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GeorgeH
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 11:18 AM

I thought most of John Tamms stuff (at least from Muckram Wakes days onwards) was centered on Derbyshire??

Also . . is the enquiry for traditional songs, or more recent material? A couple of nominations:

Four Loomed Weaver (Trad, I think!)

Poverty Knock (not trad, I think).

The children's song "Johnny Todd" (known to us ancients who can't count as the "Z-cars theme")

And I guess the Oldham Tinkers would be a good source.

G.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: AndyG
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 12:08 PM

The best suggestion I've got is to get hold of a copy of the TOPIC CD Deep Lancashire TSCD 485
Subtitled Songs Ballads & Verse from the Industrial North West of England.

Artists include, The Oldham Tinkers, Harry Boardman, Bernard Wrigley, Mike Harding, with the great Harvey Kershaw performing his dialect works.

Songs to consider (I've not checked against the DT for these, The Bury New Loom, The Hand Loom Weaver's Lament, Toddlin' Wom, July Wakes, King Cotton Droylseden Wakes, Frolicsome Kate, Sammy Shuttleworth.

AndyG


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Ringer
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 12:55 PM

Why do you call "Johnny Todd" a Children's Song, George?


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:04 PM

Also The Lancashire Lads from the Old Blind Dog CD is a rousing delight and joy, if you are not familiar with this one.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:06 PM

sorry forgot to mention, it is from their CD "Legacy".


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Llanfair
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:31 PM

You beat me to it, Andy. I got that CD recently, and it brought back loads of memories of Harry Boardman, and the singers at his club in Manchester.
Timbobbin, are you in the UK? Bron.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Barry Finn
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 08:30 PM

"Folk Songs & Ballads of Lancashire" pub. by Oak 1973 & edited & compiled by Harry & Lesley Boardman. I'll put a list of what's in it up & if you want, I'll try & post the words to some you'd want but I can't post the music part of it.

Buxom Young Dairy Maid
Hard Times
9 Times a Night
Warrikin Fair
Bowton's Yard
Chimneys Tall
Gettin' Wed
The Cock Fight
Merry Little Doffer
The Wayver O'Wellbrook
The Bury New Loom
A Weaver's Song
I'll Have A Collier
Manchester Canal
Lancashire Liar
Shurat Weavers Song
Cob-O'-Collin
The Garland
Welcome Bonny Brid
With Henry Hunt We'll Go
Handloom V. Powerloom
Miner's Lockout
Lancashire Witch
Whoam Brewed
The Mill's Last Page
A Lancashire Mon
Billy Suet's Song
Owdham
Sam Shuttle & Betty Reedhook
The Bard's Reformation
Kitty & Robin
Handloom Weaver's Lament
Barry


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: harpgirl
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 09:51 PM

...Hi Barry! I would like to have the words to Lancashire Liar. My dad would like it, I'm sure. Any chance you'd join a Hearme sing in the future??? harpgirl


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE MANCHESTER LIAR^^
From: Barry Finn
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 11:18 PM

Hi Harpgirl, my pleasure, the song that is, I'd love to join a Hearme sing but I'm so bad at trying to make these teck NO boxes work I need a 3 yr old to take my hand so I don't trip over my own feet.

Harry Boardman mentions that the similarity to the Darby Ram obvious but says that this version seems of later vintage.

THE MANCHESTER LIAR

In Manchester I saw a crow leave London in a crack, sir
Flew as far as Saddleworth wi' Ashton on it's back, sir
Indeed, Sir, it's true, sir, I've never been given to lie & if you go to Lancashire you'll see the same as I

I saw a goose from Staleybridge, that coal from Hyde had taken
It stole a bag from Liverpool filled with Irish bacon

In Warrington I saw a pig kill near 200 people
In Lancaster I saw a dog dance on Leeds church steeple

In Huddersfield I met a bull selling Eccles cakes, sir
In Marsden I met a dead horse going to Oldham wakes, sir

In Delph I met a flock of sheep had been to rob a York church, sir
They brought a hen from Tadcaster in a show to learn to work, sir

At Hurst I saw a peck of birds take Leigh church & shake it
And drive a horse through Dukinfield with eggs to Rochda' market

In Haslingden I saw a mouse wheel muck through Royton town, sir
In Mossley I met a cat wearing a Knaresboro gown, sir

In Bacup I saw a monkey in Burnley teaching school, sir
In Blackburn it made Wangby cheese, in Colne it chased a fool, sir

At Tyldesley Bank I saw a lamb at Stockport cry a sale, sir
In Chowbent I saw a baboon in Wigan brewing ale, sir

At Pendleton I met a dog driving sheep to Sutton
At Middleton I saw a horse tried for stealing mutton

At Failsworth I saw a turkey rob Preswich chruch all over
At Hull I saw a rabbit chase a hound at Dover

At Radcliff I saw a crow kill near 300 witches
At Bury I saw a tomcat at Bolton selling matches

At Chorley I saw 2 bullocks in Preston selling oil, sir
At Bath I saw a pigeon take a giant to Carlisle, sir


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 12:43 AM

How about someone with a knowledge of Lancashire dialect completing the translation of the long version of "Warrikin (Warrington) Fair" on my website in Scarce Songs 1. "Robbie and Granny" is there too, with an ABC of it's tune. Both are comic Lancashire songs from a late 17th century manuscript. www.erols.com/olsonw


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 08:13 AM

I second Barry Finn's suggest regarding Harry Boardman's book.

All the best,
Dan


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,marion.
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 08:54 AM

timbobbin, who do you remember from Harrys club.? I used to go there on a saturday night to the Unicorn, Do you remember people like Bob Morton, Mary Humphries, Chris Cole, Roger Fiskin etc.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,rhdodd,, Harpgirl's father
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 10:04 AM

Never heard of the song Harpgirl requested, but I would like the words to: riding a white horse to Banberry Cross. My Grandmother used to sing it. Thanks in advance


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: AndyG
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 12:07 PM

Marion,

Steve Turner, Steve Mayne, Joe Kearns ? Never heard of them :)

I'm starting a new thread in response to Bruce O's request could any Lanky speakers put in their views please.

AndyG


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: harpgirl
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 04:39 PM

...dear daddy,
It is customary to begin a new thread when one requests lyrics! I'll do it for you. Have I mentioned my house needs new carpeting? I want to impress Dr. Peterson with my housekeeping skills! harpgirl


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Snuffy
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 08:35 PM

Barry,

I've got the same book - and I'll be happy to post the tunes for any words you care to post. It'll be the red midi-text listing in tiny writing plus the abc format. But it's 1.30 a.m. in England, so I won't start till tomorrow.

The Bury New Loom is in the DT database without a tune. Also a version of Nine Times a Night - I haven't checked the tune but it sounds similar. The Manchester Canal says in the book that it's a version of "The Calabar", and that's the tune in the DT, but Harry Boardman's tune is "Brighton Camp/Girl I Left Behind Me"

Incidentally, all the tunes are either by Harry Boardman, or arranged or adapted by him, and are marked Copyright Maypole Music 1972. So much for public domain!


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,Jake
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 02:07 AM

Another very good book is: 21 Lincolnshire Folk Songs collected by Percy Grainger and edited by Patrick O'Shaughnessy, 1968, Oxford University Press.

The book contains words, music, chords, notes on each of the songs and an extensive bibliography.

The songs include:
Betsy Walton
Bold William Taylor
Brigg Fair
Creeping Jane
Died For Love
Early One Spring
A Fair Maid Walking All in Her Garden
Georgie
The Gipsy's Wedding Day
Horkstow Grange
I'm Seventeen Come Sunday
The Keys of My Heart
Lisbon
The Lost Lady Found
The Nutting Girl
Oats and Beans and Barley Grows
Once I Courted a Damsel
T'owd Yowe wi' One Horn
Shepherd's Daughter
Six Dukes Went A-Fishing
The Sprig of Thyme


There's also a really good cd by John Roberts and Tony Barrand called Heartoutbursts - English Folksongs collected in Lincolnshire by Percy Grainger

This is on Golden Hind Music - GHM-103
P.O. Box 1792
Schenectady, NY 12301

I think you might also be able to get it from Folk-Legacy.

Brigg Fair
Seventeen Come Sunday
Creeping Jane
Turpin Hero
The White Hare
Rufford Park Poachers
Lord Bateman
The Gypsy's Wedding Day
A Fair Maid Walking
The Lost Lady Found
Sprig of Thyme
Riding Down to Portsmouth
Horkstow Grange
The "Rainbow"
William Taylor
Lord Melbourne
Lisbon
Died for Love

Hope this is helpful.

Jake


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 05:21 AM

And if all that isn't enough, then there is still J. Harland and T.T. Wilkinson, Ballads and Songs of Lancashire, republished in 1976 (orig.: 1882). I'm not going to post the list of titles for this book has about 200 entries. However if someone looks for a specific song, I'd be glad to have a look.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GeorgeH
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 06:17 AM

Guest,Jake - you appear to be confusing Lincolnshire and Lancashire. Both areas which boast some fine songs, but otherwise very different (in broad generalisation, Rural and Industrial respectively).

And BaldEagle - I think I'm following MacColl (in "Singing Island") in characterising "Johnny Todd" as a children's song. And I think he characterised it that way 'cause he collected it from children's street singing. But I'll try to remember to check!

G.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: AndyG
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 08:30 AM

GeorgeH,
Speaking as a Lancastrian I'd have to say the broad generalisation diffentiating Lancs. and Lincs. is:
Lincolnshire is FLAT, very FLAT, boringly FLAT, and Lancashire isn't. :-)

AndyG


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Llanfair
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 12:05 PM

Marion, it was me who used to go to Harry's club. I remember a chap called Pete who did a great version of "Poverty Knocks", and Eddie Bryn Pugh, a sort of cousin of mine, who I would like to get in touch with again. Did you go to the MSG? Hwyl, Bron.


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Subject: Tune Add: THE LANCASHIRE LIAR (Boardman)
From: Snuffy
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 04:28 PM

Here's the tune for the Lancashire Liar, by Harry Boardman, copyright MAypole Music 1972.

MIDI file: LANCASHI.MID

Timebase: 96

TimeSig: 6/8 24 8
Key: A
Tempo: 144 (416666 microsec/crotchet)
Name: The Lancashire Liar
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:The Lancashire Liar
M:6/8
Q:1/4=144
K:A
A|A2AA2A|A2AE2E|F2EF2A|B3c3|c2cB2B|AA2E2E|
F2EA2C|B,3C2B,|A,3C2E|F3E2C|EE F ED C|B,5G,|A,2A,C2E|
A2AB2c|E2EF2G|A5||

Wassail! V


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Timbobbin
Date: 17 Mar 00 - 04:43 PM

Well trust me to get around to starting a thread, and then disappear on holiday before having time to check back.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

As a poor singer and a hack guitarist rather than a musician I would appreciate chords for any of the suggested songs.

Yes Llanfair I am in the UK, originally from Oldham but now in London.

The Oldham Tinkers released a CD last year, a compilation from their Topic albums from the 70's, called, A Fine Old English Gentleman, if anyone has chords for any of their songs I would appreciate them.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 03:13 AM

Here's a brief Lancashire Glossary from Boardman's Book. Regards, John


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Subject: Lancashire Glossary
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 16 Aug 00 - 03:14 AM

abeawt	******	about.	
addled ****** made - worked for.
allus ****** always.
aw ****** I.
aw'st ****** I will.
ax ****** Ask.
beawt ****** without.
beawn ****** bound.
bout ****** without.
bowt ****** bought. (sse
booath ****** both.
breet ****** bright.
brid ****** bird (child).
browt ****** brought.
byem ****** beam.
bum-baylies ****** bailiffs.
cap't ****** baffled - stuck.
ceawer ****** cower
caur ****** cower
character ****** written reference for a job
ceawnty ****** county.
clout ****** to strike.
clooas ****** clothes.
clowt ****** item of clothing.
coom ****** come.
con ****** can.
conno' ****** cannot.
cheear ****** chair.
croodle ****** croon - sing.
dee ****** die.
deawn ****** down.
dule ****** The devil (Th' owd Lad).
dur ****** door.
dreawn ****** drown.
eawt ****** out.
eawr ****** our.
e'en ****** eyes.
enoo ****** enough.
fettle ****** fix.
feight ****** fight.
feyther ****** father.
foyer ****** fire.
foo ****** fool.
fotched ****** fetched.
fot, fotch ****** fetch.
frimbles ****** nervous or uncertain.
fro ****** from.
gie ****** give.
gowd- ****** gold.
gradely ****** good or very.
gronny ****** grandmother.
greaund ****** ground.
hawve ****** half.
hauf ****** half
hont ****** hand.
howd ****** hold.
heawse ****** house.
hawve ****** half.
hoo ****** she.
heause ****** house.
haupney ****** halfpenny.
keawer ****** sit.
Lanky ****** Lancashire.
lang ****** long.
loike ****** like.
loife ****** life.
mayte ****** meat.
munno ****** mustn't.
mey ****** may.
nagur ****** work.
neaw ****** now.
nooan ****** none.
noddy ****** fool.
neet ****** night.
nobbut ****** nothing but, merely
nowt ****** nothing.
nought ****** nothing
0' ****** all.
oi ****** I.
oin ****** I have.
owd ****** old.
owt ****** anything.
pon ****** pan.
poo'ed ****** pulled.
punced ****** kicked.
purring ****** clog fighting.
pund ****** pound.
preawd ****** proud.
reaund ****** round.
roifle ****** rifle.
seaund ****** sound.
sengle ****** single.
shoddy ****** coarse cloth.
sodjur ****** soldier.
smook ****** smoke.
sich ****** such.
skroikes ****** cries.
shoines ****** shines.
stonnin' ****** standing.
spuyl ****** spoil.
swat ****** sweat.
seyn ****** say.
stele ****** stile.
thowt ****** thought.
thrutch ****** push.
towd ****** told.
'utch . ****** move.
wayther ) ****** water
way'er ) ****** water.
watter ) ****** water
weshed ****** washed.
wark ****** work.
welghvin ****** weaving.
wheelt ****** wheeled.
wo' ****** wall.
wod ****** what.
whoam) ****** home.
whom ****** home
wheere ****** where
yo ****** you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 07:36 AM

Lancashire Rules!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: s&r
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 11:51 AM

I'm just about to throw away/charity shop some LPs including a few Lanky ones. If they would help, pm me

stu


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,Big Jim from Jackson
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 01:57 PM

In looking through this thread I am surprised not to see Gary and Vera Aspey's names mentioned. They sing some songs that to my very inexperienced ears sure sound like good Lanky songs. I'm not sure about the age of some of them, but they are a pleasure to listen to. Of course, this begs the question of chords. Gary and Vera's recordings are available.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 05:37 PM

Looking at this thread in more detail...and its a resurrected oldie!! Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Some interesting things going on re. Lancashire songs and Mark Dowding at the moment...Mark is about to release a CD of Harry Boardman material performed by Mark and Chris Harvey..

Don't know who timbobbin of Mudcat fame is but there was a Tim Bobbin folk group in the late 70's and early 80's...I know 'cos I was a member along with Roy Barker and Denis Clarke...we ran a folk club at the Spring Inn in Rochdale for a while.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: John J
Date: 24 Dec 03 - 05:45 AM

Merry Christmas Harry!

John


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Mr Lancashire
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 07:58 AM

Anyone got chords to Lancashire Songs


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,Chris Cole
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 02:18 AM

Hello
I was a close friend of Harry until his untimely death in 1987and ran various clubs with him and Lesley.I'm looking for the words to "A Weaver's Song."
I've asked Lesley for the words-I'm still in regular contact with her-but she can't find them (I know the tune).The record it is featured on -Trans Pennine on Topic-is deleted.
I would be deeply indebted to you if you could supply the lyrics.

                Thanks

                   Chris Cole.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Snuffy
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 04:44 AM

Chris,

"A Weaver's Song" is in Harry & Lesley's book mentioned further up:

From: Barry Finn - PM
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 08:30 PM
"Folk Songs & Ballads of Lancashire" pub. by Oak 1973 & edited & compiled by Harry & Lesley Boardman.

I may be able to type them out from there later this week, if nobody beats me to it


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,Free Reed Rocker
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 04:52 AM

I'm pretty sure The Weaver and the Factory Maid was collected by Cecil Sharp in Lancashire. The lyrics published in DT are those recorded by Steeleye Span 30 years ago.

The opening quatrain may be borrowed from another song. Also quatrains 7 and 8 may be borrowed or invented by Steeleye Span (note that the narrative voice shifts from first to third preson, then back to first for the final quatrain).

I came across this song published in an anthology with a title like The Oxford Book of English Ballads years ago, and recall that it lacked those parts.

I sing it in G.

D          G    C    D
I'm a hand weaver to me trade.
          G         C G       D
I fell in love with a fact'ry maid,
          G       C   G    D
And if I could but her favor win,
          G             C       D
I'd stand beside her and weave by steam.

I abbreviate factory to fact'ry to fit the meter. I aspirate the first syllable sharply, as it echoes the 'f' and hard 'c' sound of a vulgarity, which the weaver might use to describe his activities after he turns down the sheets. He also might blurt it out in frustration, not only because the machine age is threatening his livelihood, but because he has to trudge to the mill in the early morn.


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Subject: Lyr Add: A WEAVER'S SONG (John Trafford Clegg)
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 10:21 AM

Hi Chris

I did send you these words some time ago when you sent me an email requesting them. Presumably you never got it.

Here they are anyway:


A Weaver's Song by John Trafford Clegg

Down in t' shed on a summer's day
Th' owd sun shining through whitewashed tops
Brids on t' slates are chirping away
And I whistle a tune to every cop
Clattering loom and whirling wheel
Flying shuttle and steady reel
This is wark to make a mon feel
There's wur jobs than weaving in time o need

Straight drawn alley and clean white walls
Picking pegs nodding their yeads all round
Warps bending down like waterfalls
Cog wheels rattling a merry sound
Tidy skips running ower wi weft
Snowy cloth winding on the beam
Tek a good sniff o t' flying drift
It's clay and dust and we're nobbut same

Lads and lasses standing in rows
Wortching away fro morn til neet
Tenters – Bobs Sals Bettys and Joes
Running around on their nimble feet
Keeping time to a steady tune
Played bi th' engine from leet til dark
Feed him Watter and coal – bout spoon
And he's olez reet for another day's wark

Weaving cotton all sizes and makes
Table cloths handkerchiefs owts and nowts
Shirts for whites and Merica blacks
Towels for Chinamen India clouts
Dhootie's Jackonets Sheetings Twills
Yard wide Narrow width Heavy and Leet
Brats and Petticwots Fancies Drills
We can weave owt and weave it reet

Down in t' shed on a Winter's day
Sun asleep in his cloudy bed
Scores of gasleets blazing away
On shining pulley and snowy thread
Clattering loom and whirling wheel
Flying shuttle and steady reel
This is wark to make a mon feel
There's wur jobs than weaving in time o need


Interestingly the line that starts "Shirts for whites..." was originally "Shirts for niggers..." Presumably Harry bowdlerised this for public consumption although Sid Calderbank sings the original.

Cheers

Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,Chris Cole
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 01:52 AM

Thanks Mark. You're right;your email never arrived.
I'm pleased to hear that you're bringing out a cd of Harry's songs-this material needs to be kept alive!
          Chris


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 06:56 AM

Details of the CD HERE

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Flash Company
Date: 12 Mar 04 - 10:47 AM

Nice to see Gary & Vera Aspey mentioned.
Remember Gary singing a song called'Tuppence on the rope' about the doss houses in the depression. Also a version of 'Old Man came courting me' called 'Ee but I'll not have him'.
Not seen any mention of Ted Edwards in here, 'Coal hole cavalry' and 'Weeping & wailing away' are both good ones.
Also 'A mon like Thee' written I believe by Ernie Ford from Westhoughton.

FC


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Slobbo
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 08:54 AM

Warning ... topic drift, verbose mode and rude word

Just a comment on John in Brisbane post 7 years ago. Please don't take that glossary too seriously. There are local or parochial variations within Lancashire which can involve a chap from Breightmet being unable to understand a chap from Whalley about 25 miles away. The Lancashire dialect/regional English is like most abstractions merely a convenient simplification which is adequate only when 'that which is the case' is represented/recorded or described at a specific level of 'granularity'.

for example 'u(t)ch' only occurred in my parochial part of Bolton as 'u(t)ch up' meaning "move along and make some space for a person to squeeze in" and Grammar School english teachers enlightened me to the non-metaphoric meaning of 'shoddy' which was only used as shabby, second rate or inferior quality, "oni't'posh b*ggerz new it wer a cloffe".

Some of the words he uses as Lancashire were only common with those of recent Irish connections. As a product of protestant schools I never mixed with catholics and so found them as strange at the kids from a professional and richer background I met for the first time at university. Perhaps, like Glasgow, there were distinct sectarian flavours to the pre-standardised ways of speaking as well as more localised variations within Lancashire.

These varieties of Lancashire could allow the development of a linguistic repertoire which would probably have included a 'stage/performance' or even entertainment variation of Lancashire. This is what I suspect was served up by professional Lankies in both the music hall and the party piece. This could be as different from the speech patterns of the ordinary folk as that of the people in the professions who identified with Lancashire and as capable of modulation so that we could laugh at the oddities of them strangers who were our near neighbours. Many of the Lancashire routines, whether in song, monologue or recitative include opportunities for subtle parochial caricatures and satire.

Perhaps people would like to allow further topic drift and consider the nuances of "Paul Calf" Steve Coogan's Manchester City supporting character.

or terse mode ....vocabulary lists are kakky.

('kakky' (adj.) ***** possibly possibly a slightly surreal blending of kaggy meaning clumsy and khaki meaning brownish, dusty or earth coloured derived from from the word Ka-ka the act of or product of the evacuation ones bowels, where the conceptual geography includes all those areas not adequately covered by '(taking a)dump'.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 06:16 AM

I was fortunate enough to acquire 4 volumes of the works of Edwin Waugh (1882 ed) recently.

In 'Tufts of Heather', the story of the Old Fiddler contains the following fragment:

"Bowd Buckley o'er the wild hills rode,
A darin' dance to tread;
Wi' twenty-four o'th starkest lads
Thar ever Rachda' bred.
"

[Rachda' = Rochdale]

Does anyone have any more information about this song? I've tried the usual channels without success (according to Google, 'Bold Buckley' is an Australian greyhound!).


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 09:35 PM

Here are some books that might interest you, viewable with Google Book Search:

Lancashire Lyrics, edited by John Harland, 1866.

Phases of Distress: Lancashire Rhymes, by Joseph Ramsbottom, 1864.

Ballads & Songs of Lancashire Ancient and Modern, by John Harland, revised by T. T. Wilkinson, 1875.

Lancashire Songs, by Edwin Waugh, 1865.

North Country Poets, by William Andrews, 1888.

By following links, you might find more.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 05:13 AM

Thanks Jim, I'll give it a go.

Waugh was a rascal for quoting short fragments of songs - occasionally he cited the origin, but not in this case (though maybe he didn't know it).


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Shantyfreak
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 02:39 PM

Waugh's poems & lyrics.
Usually if he didn't cite a source, either by name or description, then he wrote it himself!


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Sky Sailor
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 05:06 AM

I have recently transcribed Mike Harding's 'Folk Songs Of Lancashire' ISBN- 0950605530 into ABC Format (Tunes only). I could post them up here (47 tunes) if there is any interest.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE CALICO PRINTER'S CLARK
From: goatfell
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 11:25 AM

THE CALICO PRINTER'S CLARK

In Manchester, that city of cotton, twist and twills
There's a girl who's young and pretty, she's the cause of all me ills
Years she has but twenty and her eyes are azure blue
Admirers she's got plenty and her name is Dorothy Drew.

Cho: She was very fond of dancing,
But allow me to remark
One fine day she danced away
With the calico printer's clark.

It was at a dance I met her in 1863
And I never will forget her, though she was unkind to me
I was dressed in the pink of fashion, all me clothes and shoes were new
And we danced the Waltz Circassian with the lovely Dorothy Drew.

We Schottisched and we Polka'd to the tunes the band did play
We Waltzed and we Mazurka'd, til she waltzed my heart away
I whispered in this manner as around the room we flew
Doing the Varsovianna, "How I love you, Dorothy Drew."

For months and months attention unto her I did pay,
'Til with her condescension, she led me quite astray;
For the money I expended, I'm ashamed to tell to you
I'll inform you how it ended with meself and Dorothy Drew.

She wrote to me a letter that a call she meant to pay
Unto some dear relations, who lived some miles away
In a week she'd be returning, I must bid a short adieu
And her heart for me was burning, oh, deceitful Dorothy Drew!

It was early the next morning, to my breakfast I sat down
The smile my face adorning was soon turned into a frown
For in the morning paper, a paragraph I did view
That Jones, the calico printer's clark, had married Dorothy Drew.

In Manchester, that city, of cotton, twist and twills
There's a girl who's young and pretty, she's the cause of all me ills
Years she has but twenty and her eyes are azure blue
Admirers she's got plenty and her name was Dorothy Drew.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 11:50 AM

More and more useful resources are now appearing on the web:


Palatine anthology : a collection of ancient poems and ballads, relating to Lancashire and Cheshire
(1850)

Author: James Orchard Halliwell-Phillips, 1820-1889

Ballads and songs of Lancashire, ancient and modern (1875) and at Google Books

Author: John Harland, 1806-1868


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 11:51 AM

and........

Lancashire gleanings (1883)

Author: William Edward Armytage Axon, 1846-1913

* contains some Lancashire songs; see chapter on Curiosities of Street Literature.


Transactionsof the Manchester Literary Club (vol 39, 1912)

Author: Manchester Literary Club

* includes a section on Folk Songs of Lancashire, by Thomas Derby. Contains A VARIANT TUNE FOR JONE O' GRINFILT that pre-dates Kidson! (download the PDF version for this).


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 05:41 AM

and........


Transactions of the Manchester Literary Club
(vol 16, 1890)

Author: Manchester Literary Club

* see chapter on Some Lancashire Rhymes by John Mortimer (1839-1912).


Minor Victorian Poets and Authors

Author: ?

* the works of Bamford, Billington, Laycock, Waugh and many others. Impressive site.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,LancCowboy
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 01:25 PM

Anyone got the chords to sammy shuttleworth? trouble working it out, Cheers

dkproductions@hotmail.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 02:36 PM

"The Calico Printer's Clerk" was written by the music hall performer Harry Clifton. Original words and music now given in this thread:
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=5232#2906585


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Lancashire folk songs
From: GUEST,mark nelson
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 07:12 AM

Take a hill top view of this chimney town
red brick fingers rape the steel grey skies
one by one they shut them down
all in the chase of a sainsburys deal

Chorus
If I close my eyes I can hear them still...songs from the heartlend of Pennine Mills

Take a street eye view of this chimney town
solid wall that were built from muscle and steel
street by street they tearing out its soul
wasted tears fall from tired eyes

Chorus
copyright MNelson 2011


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