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tar_heel 03 Mar 00 - 11:09 AM
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Subject: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: tar_heel
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 11:09 AM

just looking for some input into the writing of this song. my sources says it was written back in 1880 by gussie l.davis,who was the first successful black songwriter on tin pan alley. he worked as a porter on a pullman train,then landed a job sweeping floors at the cinncinnati conservatory of music. there,he learned the rudiments of music and went on to compose over three hundred sentimental songs. among his hits...in the baggage coach ahead,which sold over a million copies. unfortunately,davis sold the copyright outright for a mere pittance. maple on the hill,became popular in country music after it was recorded by wade mainer and zeke morris for victor in 1934. as a kid ,i had always heard that this song was one of the oldest country songs around,or probably the first big noted country song... anything new to this story would be greatly appreciated.... chuck hemrick


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 12:03 PM

Hi Chuck, I'm not sure if this adds anything to your research (which seems spot on from what I've read about the song) but I found it interesting. The song, as done by Mainers' Mountaineers (with Zeke singing) was still on country juke boxes in the South YEARS after it was recorded, which is a testament to how it "reached" people. The recording was pretty archaic, but competed well with Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline etc.

Other perennials were "Down Yonder" by The Skillet Lickers, and "Faded Love" by Bob Wills. Each was still being played on the "boxes" 20 years after being recorded.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: Dale Rose
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 05:51 PM

I have more to add on the Maple On The Hill, but will get to that later ~~ it'll take a while.

Rick, some of them hung around a whole lot longer than that! I have a prized 45 of Down Yonder (Back Up And Push on reverse) which I purchased new some time in the 70's, I think. It is an RCA Victor red label Gold Standard Series 447-0569. Somehow the little jukebox strip has gotten away from me though. I can no longer quote my source, but I read somewhere along the line that Down Yonder was in continuous print longer than any other recording on any label, from its original release in 1934 to the time of the article I read. I don't know whether it was ever dropped from the catalogue at any time after that, but knowing RCA, it probably was. I still have not forgiven them for reneging on Hank Snow's 50 year contract.


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 07:33 AM

Here's a link to another mudcat thread about Gussie Davis and Maple on the Hill.


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: GUEST,jb sutton
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 02:52 PM

what other songs are attributed to Wade Mainer? I would like to add some of his songs to my repertoire.


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: GUEST,Gene
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 04:19 PM

Oh How I wish I had bought these by J. E. Mainer
several years ago for $3.98!!!

J. E. MAINER - RRJE-185



Watermelon On The Vine
Hoop It Up Lizi Jane
Sweet Sunny South
Shoot The Turkey Buzzard
Oh Those Toombs
Kenny Wagner
Run Mountain
Rock That Cradle
Lucy Don't Go Out Tonight
Little Darling
Granny Kickin' Up Her Heels
Johnson's Old Gray Mule
Ticklish David
Stayed In The Wagon Yard Honey
Dance Around Molly
Tabby Let Your Hair
Gettin' There Rabbit
City On Mt Zion
Don't Cry Down
Me And My Gal
Jim Boys' Breakdown


J. E. MAINER
RRJE-191

Jolly Blacksmith
Hop Along Peter
Mainer's Blues
Shout Lula
Wildwood Flower
Down The Old Plant Road
Keep My Skillet Good And Greasy
Forty years Ago
Grits Number One
Railroad Bill
Blue Ridge Breakdown
Courtin' In The Rain
Old Hen
Sitting in A Chimney Jamb
Donkey On The Track
Adam And Eve
In The Garden
Get Away Old Man
Jay Goose is Dead
Climbing Up
Hand Me Down My Peg And Awl


J. E. MAINER- RRJE-198

Seven And A Half
Devillish Mary
Hannah Baby
Buntin
Ride Old Buck To Water
Casey Jones
Arkansas Traveler
Change In Business All Around
Polly Put The Kettle On
Shady Grove
Old Blind Horse
Po's Billy Goat
Burglar Man
Don't Tax The Gals
Eleven Cents
Cotton Home Sweet Home
Shortenin' Bread
Johnny Get Your Gun
I Had An Old Gray Mare
Alabama Camp Meeting



J. E. MAINER- RRJE-208

Girl I Love Don't Pay Me No Mind
Cumberland Gap
What'II I Do With The Baby-O
I Killed Poor Liza Foster
Living On The Farm
Shoo Fly
Dixie Beeline
From Jerusalem To Jericho
Whoa Mule Whoa
Saving Up Coupons
Little Ford in The War
Run Boy Run
Behind The Parlor Door
State of Arkansas
Preacher And The Bear
Jimmy And Johnny
Down in The Union Country
Why Do You Bob Your Hair Girls
Chewing Gum


J. E. MAINER - RRJE-215

Man In The Woodpile
I Tickled Nancy
Quit Kicking My Dog Around
My Girl Rides in Old Wheel Barrows
My Daughter Wants To Marry
Give Me Back My Flve Dollar Bill
Rise When The Rooster Crows
Down In The Rockingham
Sugar Babe
Hard Times On The Farm
Alimony
I'm A Child To Fight
Old Molly Hair
Farm Relief
Don't Reckon It Will Happen Again
Great Bog House
I Got Mine
When A Man Falls In Love
Jordan Am A Hard Road To Travel
Tell Me How Long

8 TRACK TAPE - TRR-215


J. E. MAINER - RRJE-222


FIll Me Up With A Bottle
All The Way Around With My Susan
Cotton MiII Colic
Death Of Floyd Collins
My Baby's Got Money All The Time
Same Old Man At The Mill
Going To Georgia
Sinking Of The Titanic
Keep Peace With Uncle Sam
Monkey On A Dog Cart
Do Around My Linda
Goodbye Booze
Baptized Sister Lucy Lee
Hot Time In The Old Town Tonight
Riley The Furniture Man
Where Were You When The Train Left Town
Georgia Railroad
Knocking On The Hen House Door
Birmingham Will Win The Prize
Going West In The Fall


J. E. MAINER- RRJ-ZZ5
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Stern Old Bachelor
Last Night When Willie Came Home
Ain't No Bugs On Me
Everybody Works But My Father
Good Old Bowling Green
Feed The Girls Candy
I've Still Got "99"
Katie Dear
George Collins
Who Broke The Lock
Cooking In The Kitchen
Baldheaded End Of The Broom
Walking In My Sleep
Cross-Eyed Butcher
Did You Ever see The Devil
Gospel Way
Care That Possum
Rabbit In The Log
Loving Henry Lee
Old Dan Tucker
Eatin' Gravy

8-TRACK TAPE - TRR-225

J. E. MAINER - RRJE-227
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Fallen Leaf
Cacklin' Hen
Mary Of The Wild Moor
Let's Go Down Town
Picking Up Corn
Young Roger The Miller
Your Bound To Look Like A Monkey
If You Should See Your Sister
Old Pine Tree
Wild Cat Woman
Bring Me A Leaf From The Sea
Gambling On The Sabbath Day
Alabama Gal
Short Life Of Trouble
Swanee
No Tunnel
Big Ball In Town
Big-Eyed RabbIt
Old Man In The Way
Over The Waves
Shadow Of The Pines

J. E. MAINER - RRJE-228
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Rim Street Breakdown
Silver Haired Daddy
Hang A Lite In The Henhouse
Six Months Ain't Long
Night Time in Nevada
The Old Wooden Rocker
When The Roses Bloom Again
Tired Of The Same Thing
My Wife's in Europe
I Found You Out
Bread And Gravy
Coal Miner's Grave
Sally Goodin'
Down In Arkansas
Hold Onto The Sleigh
Ghost Train
Good Old Summer Time
Bachelor Blues
Storms In The Oceans
Lavender Cowboy

J. E. MAINER - RRJE-229
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

The Rising Sun Blues
A Good Old Rebel
Somebody's Waiting For You
Your Pallet On The Floor
Farmer Who Wouldn't Hoe Corn
Highway Man
I'll Come Back To You
Don't Whip Your Wife On Sunday
Black Jack David Hold Onto The Plow
Cherry Tree Carousel
Al Smith For President
Dry And Dusty
Trade It For A Boy
Way Down In Georgia
I Never Will Marry
Farmer And The Devil
Down Yonder

J. E. MAINER - RRJE-230
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Wasn't That A Mighty Storm
Fishing Bait
Coney Isle
Play Mates
Dig A Hole
The Swooping Song
Take Your Blues And Go
Put Your Arms Around Me
Where The Red Roses Grow: Fix Your Wagon
J. E.'s Hoedown
Down By The Railroad Tracks:
Golden Willow Tree
Punching Dough
Weary Miner Blues
Pride Of The Prairie
He's Coming Back To Us Dead
Fox Chase
Back To The Mountains
Wrong Key Hole


J. E. MAINER- RRJE-231
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Two Little Girls In Blue
Sally Ann Go Right Back
Jobs' Coffin
Bring On Down The House
All Quiet Along The Potomac
Little Old Sod Shanty
Old Fashioned Picture
Sister Kate
The Blue Juanita
The Fatal Wedding
County Fair
Traveling Man
Where You Gonna Hide
Just That Kind
Six Kings' Daughters
A Baby For Sale
Bitter Creek Breakdown
Keep Knocking Old Napoleon


J. E. MAINER - RRJE-234
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Would You Care
Southern Melody
An Unfriendly World
Lie To Me Baby
Dance Around Little Lou
A Sinner's Song
Keep Inching Along
Nobody
Willie Green
Chicken Reel
Rush Money
Diggin' Taters
You'll Come To Me
Flop-Eared Mule
The Right Side
After The Ball
Raggedy Ann
Trusting You
Fatal Derby Day
Bucking Mule

THE LEGENDARY J. E. MAINER -
WITH MORRIS HERBERT
RRJE-240

New Kingdom Coming
Concord Rag
Long Journey Home
Georgia
Black Bottom
Cripple Creek
Why Did I Get Married
Bully Of The Town
Johnson Boys
Snake In The Grass
You're The Same Old You
Don't Mean To Cry
Peggy Special
Gonna Raise A Ruckus
Sheeps In The Meadow
Crazy Fool
The Former Is The Man
Rattle Snake Daddy
Kitty Wells
Old Joe Clark
I'm Going Home

J. E. MAINER - RRJE-241
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Just A Standby
Eating Goober Peas
Silver Threads Among The Gold
Baby Keep Stealing
You're Welcome As The Flowers In May
Bonaparte Retreat
Bird in A Glided Cage
I Shall Not Be Moved
Wise Guy
Tell It On The Mountain
8th Of January
Last Indian
Home In Tennessee
Bar Fly
Green Back
When I'm Hardup
Georgia Railroad
Turkish Lady
Old Rattler


J. E. MAINER - RRJE-246
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

River Bottom Blues:
Bundle At The Bun
Legend Of Billy The Kid
Starvin' To Death
Fifteen Cents is All I've Got
My Little Jolie Blonde
Behind Each Man
Match Box Blues
Keep Knocking
Working In A Cotton Mill
Ain't Gonna Work Tomorrow
Same Old Man
Branded Wherever I Go
Filipino Baby
Gonna Lay Down My Old Guitar
Don't Cry Over Me
Mary Of The Wild Moors
New River Train

TRR-246


J. E. MAINER - RRJE-247
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Nobody's Business
Tax On A Hole In The Ground
Sold Down The River
Shout Lula
If You Should See Your Sister
Kansas City
Tabby Let Your Hair Hang Down
Bring Me A New Leaf From The Sea
Can't Get You Off My Mind
Down At The Cider Miii
Roil On Buddy
I'll Hate Myself Tomorrow
High Ball Gal Of Mine
Two Happy Hearts
Old Man Below
Rebuilding Bridges
Uncle Eph
8 TRACK TAPE - TRR-247

THE LEGENDARY J. E. MAINER - WITH MO ANJO-
RRJE-248

Keep On The Sunny Side
Where We'll Never Grow Old
Heavenly Airplane
These Bones Gonna Rise
Those Lonely Toombs
Give Me That Old Time Religion
Where You Gonna HIde
Jobs' Coffin
An Unfriendly World
A Mighty Storm
Coal Miners Grave
River Jordan
He's Coming To Us Dead
Keep Inching Along
Gambling On The Sabbath Day
Tell It On The Mountain
Log Cabin In The Lane
The Gospel Way
8 TRACK TAPE TRR 248

J. E. MAINER - RRJE-249
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Donkey Of The Track
Possum Up A Gum Stamp
Mitchell Breakdown
Round Town Gal
Get in There Rabbit
Climbing Up The Mountain
Shoot The Turkey Buzzard
Ride Old Buck To water
FIop-Eared Mule
Old Dan Tucker
Jolly Black Smith
Malner Blues
Seven And One Half
Cacklin' Hen
Blue Ridge Breakdown
Polly Put The Kettle On
Bucking Mule
Rabbit In A Log
ChIcken Reel
Run Mountain
B TRACK TAPE - TRR-JEM-249

J. E. MAINER - RRJE-250
WITH MORRIS HERBERT

Diggin' Taters
Johnson Boys
Old And In The Way
FIll Me Up With A Bottle
Raise A Ruckus
Rim Street Breakdown
Jimmy And Johnny
Granny Kicking Up Her Heels
Somebody's Waiting For You
Cripple Creek
Dance Around Little Lou
Lost Indlan
Johnny Get Your Gun
Then I'll Come Back To You
Man In The Wood Pile
Rock That Cradle Lucy
Jordan Am A Hard Road To Travel
Weary Miner Blues
Johnny's Old Grey Mule
Jim Boys' Breakdown

8 TRACK TAPE - TRR-JEM-250


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: Stewie
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 07:42 PM

On the subject of 'Maple', evidently there were many follow-ups to the Mainer recording, including some by J.E. Mainer himself. One that I am aware of is the 2 part answer by the Dixon Brothers: 'Answer to Maple on the Hill Part I' and 'Answer to Maple on the Hill Part II', recorded in Charlotte NC in 1936 with a third voice added to the duo - that of Mutt Evans. Part I had the wife on her deathbed, talking to her sister. The song ends with her filling a second grave under the maple. Part II has a prodigal son lamenting the 2 graves of 'dear dad and mother' under the maple tree.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: Tiger
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 03:08 PM

And the Carter Family, of course.


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: harpgirl
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 09:01 PM

reuse


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:09 PM

Although the Carters used Davis' lyrics they changed the tune. My preference is for the original air.


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: kendall
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 07:05 PM

I read somewhere that The Prisoners Song was the first million seller.


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 08:01 PM

Vernon Dalhart's old 78 had the Prisoners Song on one side and the Wreck Of The Old 97 on the other. I understand it sold over a million.
Dalhart also recorded Maple On The Hill.


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: Neighmond
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 08:34 PM

Maple on the Hill was the first true country song I ever heard, and it still runs a shiver in my spine when I hear it at the right time.

Chaz


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Subject: RE: Help: MAPLE ON THE HILL
From: masato sakurai
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 08:54 PM

From The Record Lady's All-Time Country Favorites:
'Maple On The Hill' - J.E. Mainer's Mountaineers (Real Country Archives Page 7)

'Maple On The Hill' - Hank Locklin (REQUESTS PAGE FOUR)
From Honkingduck:
Maple On The Hill Part 3: Dixie Reelers
~Masato


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