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Lyr Add: Shenandoah

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OH, MY ROLLING RIVER
SHENANDOAH


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kate@huskynet.com 07 Apr 98 - 03:50 AM
nannamk 03 Nov 98 - 03:47 PM
Pete M 03 Nov 98 - 04:00 PM
MMario 03 Nov 98 - 04:08 PM
Roger in Baltimore 03 Nov 98 - 05:44 PM
GUEST,Rex 22 Mar 00 - 11:56 AM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 22 Mar 00 - 07:26 PM
GUEST,tricycle 03 Dec 01 - 12:27 PM
MMario 03 Dec 01 - 12:30 PM
Dead Horse 03 Dec 01 - 01:40 PM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Dec 01 - 03:14 PM
jaze 03 Dec 01 - 07:52 PM
GUEST,Big Ron 13 May 04 - 04:07 PM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 13 May 04 - 05:31 PM
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Subject: History of
From: kate@huskynet.com
Date: 07 Apr 98 - 03:50 AM

Hi! I'm researching the lyrics and a history of the song "Shenandoah." I wonder if anyone can give me some information on how the song came about, and what is the "Shenandoah" that the singer refers to? A person? A place? I always thought it was about a river, and that there was an indian chief who had a daughter that the singer was in love with...something about "I'll take her cross the shining water...Any help would be greatly appreciatated.


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Subject: O Shenandoah
From: nannamk
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 03:47 PM

Trying to get some info on origin and words of the above.


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Subject: RE: O Shenandoah
From: Pete M
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 04:00 PM

Hi nannamk, if you type in shenandoah in the filter box of the forum main page, set the age to 365 and click on "refresh threads" you will find the previous discussions on the origins of this song,

Pete M


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Subject: RE: O Shenandoah
From: MMario
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 04:08 PM

these words?

Oh, Shenandoah, I long to hear you
Way hey, you rolling river.
Shenandoah, I long to hear you
Away, we're bound away 'cross the wide Missouri.

Oh, Shenandoah, I love your daughter
Wey hey, you rolling river.
Oh Shenandoah, I love your daughter
Away, we're bound away 'cross the wide Missouri.

Missouri she's a mighty river
Wey hey, you rolling river.
When she rolls down, her topsails shiver
Away, we're bound away 'cross the wide Missouri.

Seven years, I courted Sally
Wey hey, you rolling river.
Seven more, I longed to have her
Away, we're bound away 'cross the wide Missouri.

Farewell, my dear, I'm bound to leave you
Wey hey, you rolling river.
Oh, Shenandoah, I'll not deceive you
Away, we're bound away 'cross the wide Missouri.


according to the shantyman of the USS Shenandoah this tune originated with the flatboats during the 1800's


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Subject: RE: O Shenandoah
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 05:44 PM

Hello Nannamk, There was another thread about this song back in May. Click here to be amazed by the depth and breadth of knowledge amongst the Mudcat clan.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: ADD: Shenandoah (Connie Dover version)
From: GUEST,Rex
Date: 22 Mar 00 - 11:56 AM

This version I got from a Connie Dover album. According to liner notes, it is a song that was sung by both rivermen and cavalrymen in the American West; The last verse can be taken as insult or bragging, depending on whether the singer was one or the other.

O, Shenandoah, I long to see you
Whey hey, you rolling river
O, Shenandoah, I long to see you
Whey hey, I'm bound away cross the wide Missouri

For seven years I courted Nancy
No other girl would suit my fancy

She would not have me for her lover
Tho I never courted any other

One day she left for Kansas City
And its there she had a little baby

She must have had another lover
O, I swear it was a cavalry soldier

(Repeat first verse)


(from the "Somebody" album, Connie Dover)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 22 Mar 00 - 07:26 PM

Rex, what is the name of the Connie Dover album? I'd love to hear her sing this!


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Subject: Lyr Add: SHENANDOAH
From: GUEST,tricycle
Date: 03 Dec 01 - 12:27 PM

Oh Shenandoah, I long to hear you,
Away you rolling river,
Oh Shenandoah I long to hear you,
Away I'm bound away,
'Cross the wide Missouri

Oh Shenandoah, I love your daughter,
Away you rolling river,
Oh Shenandoah I love your daughter,
Away I'm bound away,
'Cross the wide Missouri

Oh Shenandoah, I'm bound to leave you,
Away you rolling river,
Oh Shenandoah I'll not deceive you,
Away I'm bound away,
'Cross the wide Missouri

Oh Shenandoah, I long to hear you,
Away you rolling river,
Oh Shenandoah I long to hear you,
Away I'm bound away,
'Cross the wide Missouri


I am looking for different/more lyrics (to include: "I long to see you...I long to see your smiling valleys, and hear your rolling rivers...") tricycle2003@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: MMario
Date: 03 Dec 01 - 12:30 PM

tricycle - see post above yours. Also try putting "Shenandoah" into the search filter.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: Dead Horse
Date: 03 Dec 01 - 01:40 PM

Oh Shenandoah, I loves your daughter
Away, you rolling river
I loves the place, where she makes water
etc. Rude shipboard version.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Dec 01 - 03:14 PM

In his 1926 book, John Samson gives it as a popular capstan shanty ("..easily one of the first three.") but says that it started as a song that was always a great favourite in the US Army.
Bound away,
Keith.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: jaze
Date: 03 Dec 01 - 07:52 PM

There are several great versions of this song I can think of: Arlo's, Van Morrison's, but none I've heard have the power and simplistic beauty of Connie Dover's. I want that cd for Christmas!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST,Big Ron
Date: 13 May 04 - 04:07 PM

I just heard Peter Nero do it last night with his chorale group, the voices of the pops. He said that it was a sea chanty sung abord ships.
He also said that he "Looked it up" and that Shenandoah was an indian Chief and the sailor who is singing the song fell in love with the chief's daughter. I didn't quite belive all this and that is why I am here today.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 13 May 04 - 04:08 PM

Ron - check the links to other threads at the top of this thread. there is a LOT of information out there.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:31 PM

The long thread (101) posts lots of information- but also lots not to 'believe.'


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST,tom p
Date: 28 Jan 05 - 02:35 PM

hi ihave just found this site, i can play shenandoah on the mouth organ, please could you let me know the correct words to this most wonderfull tune i belong to a usa civil war reenactment society in england, they would have played this tune then wouldnt they 1861 1865 thanks tom prior


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 05 - 04:18 PM

They would most certainly have played this tune (and sung the song) during the Civil War. It was one of the favorite "campfire songs" among both the Union and Confederate armies. You might be interested in contacting this group Southern Horizon . They have recorded "Shenandoah" and did quite a bit of research on the version that was probably current during the Civil War. Their CD's would probably be quite reasonably priced, given the weakened state of the US dollar, and would be a good musical resource for you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jan 05 - 09:32 PM

There is no credible published evidence of the song being sung by soldiers during the U. S. Civil War.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 05 - 11:31 PM

There are many historians and re-enactors who would disagree with Q. But he knows everything, right?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST,Lighter at work
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 08:39 AM

See my current post on the thread "Song Info: Shenandoah."

When it comes to songs, "many historians and re-enactors" who usually know better do sloppy research or none at all. They believe what they want to. They also often assume, as do many Mudcatters, that people in the past had almost the same folksong repertories as a '50s revival singer.

I mentioned elsewhere the movie about CSS "Hunley" that had Yankee sailors singing "Fiddlers Green," which a Southerner then described as an old Irish song his mother had sung to him! Off by only 100 years, fellows!

JL


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST,Lighter at work
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 10:27 AM

Years ago I was told of a different second chorus to "Shenandoah" which went "And a rollin' [maybe "a-rovin'"] I must go, Across the wide Missoureye." I believe it was sung by folksinger Bill Bonyun in the early or mid sixties. I did not hear the whole thing myself.

Does anybody have The words to this entire version?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 02:09 PM

I just noticed that the "Southern Horizon" cd also has "Redwing." The lyrics were copyrighted in 1907, as noted in another thread, but a similar tune called "Birdie" (and other names) was popular in the 19th c.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: Steve T.
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 07:15 PM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: Steve T.
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 07:21 PM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST,harrygirl
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 09:52 AM

my goddddddddddddddddddddddd........................i like the song it's amazingggggggggg....... the feeling........ peaceful......


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 10 - 12:07 AM

My favorite verse, heard at a San Francisco folk festival by Mahalia Jackson's daughter (sorry don't know her name)

For seven years, I've been a rover,
Away, you rolling river.
For seven years, I've been a rover,
But I've returned to be your lover.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: Art Thieme
Date: 24 Aug 10 - 08:32 PM

How about

My favorite dog was always Rover,
Away you rollin' river,
Watch where you step, my darling lover,
Away, we're bound away...

The last line was something about "merde happens."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST,kbadtges
Date: 23 May 11 - 06:48 PM

I think Shenandoah is the name of the Indian chief in the song


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST,Daniel
Date: 24 May 11 - 11:09 AM

I always thought it was about someone who longed to return home to the Shenandoah Valley.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 May 11 - 04:56 PM

As I recall, th song achivde a burst of popularity when Eugene O'Neill use it in "Long Voyage Home"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: GUEST,GUEST, D.P.
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 03:56 PM

Shenandoah

I read most of the other thread and this one, after doing so I was struck by the idea that this might be a slave song. Lyrics to the song were first published in 1882, and it was around the mid-1850s that many slaves (and their masters) began a serious emigration to Missouri. For one thing, importation of new slaves had been made illegal. "Bound Away" sounds very suggestive, and has been used in this sense at the time, as in Shallow Brown-

Oh I'm bound to leave yer
Shallow Oh Shallow Brown
Oh I'm bound to leave yer
Shallow Oh Shallow Brown

Bound on board a whaler
Bound on board a whaler

Massa gonna sell me
Massa gonna sell me

Sell me for a dollar
A great big Spanish dollar

I'll cross them Chile Mountains
I'll pump them silver fountains

So put me clothes in order
The packet sails termorrer

Oh the packet sails termorrer
I leaves yer with great sorrer

So fare thee well my Juliana
Fare thee well my Juliana

***

The possible tie to the Dred Scott case (which is credited for beginning the Civil War) intrigues me. Harriet Robinson and her to be husband were both born as slaves in Virginia and later sent to St. Louis via steamboat. On the steamboat Harriet gave birth to her first child, a daughter. In addition, Harriet's owner was Major Lawrence Taliaferro who was an Indian Agent for the government, who later had a daughter with an Indian woman (his wife and he had no issue). This could be an explanation for the verses about an Indian, which are written in the third, not first person.
http://aauw.columbia.missouri.org/HarrietSCOTT.pdf


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Shenandoah
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Jun 11 - 05:47 PM

The version of "Shallo Brown" with reference to slavery seems to be a recent remake, (by Helen Schneyer?).
None of the early ones have any mention or allusion to slavery, although mention is made of a mulatto or black woman in some (crossover with "Sally Brown?).


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