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Subject: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: katlaughing Date: 18 Apr 00 - 03:35 AM Spin-off from some of the other threads comparing the USA and Canada....if someone from the US really did decide to move to Canada what are the rules in Canada about qualifying to work, medical coverage, etc.? |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Apr 00 - 04:18 AM Well, Kat, I went to www.askjeeves.com and this (click) is what I found. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: alison Date: 18 Apr 00 - 04:30 AM I know when I was thinking of emmigrating.. I considered Canada.. but it was very difficult as they only let you in if you had a job to go to..... I suppose that cuts the level of unemployment down..... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Apr 00 - 05:00 AM So, Alison, whose citizen are you? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: alison Date: 18 Apr 00 - 09:01 AM I have a bit of paper that says I'm an Aussie. but I have a UK and Aussie passport....... and I still describe myself as Irish...... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: GUEST,Neil Lowe Date: 18 Apr 00 - 09:14 AM NOI to our noble neighbors to the north, but forget Canada...how do I bypass the totally exclusive immigration laws of Holland? Any country that's not trying to legislate morality at every whipstitch, as well as being the birthplace of Famke Jannsen...well, no wonder they're flooded with petitions for citizenship. Regards, Neil |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Willie-O Date: 18 Apr 00 - 09:29 AM Easiest way, hands down, is to marry a Canadian. (What my wife did). Preferably one whom you have some interest in. Other family-class immigrants (children, parents etc of Canadians) get the same fast-track approval without going through the point-system assessment. Canadian immigration policies have actually done dick-all to reduce unemployment which is almost always higher than in the U.S. Since the qualifications of a lot of highly-educated immigrants are not recognized in Canada, many of them are driving cabs, working in restaurants etc--can you say "cheap non-unionized labour pool"? Canadian high-tech companies are, as elsewhere, desperate to attract and keep skilled employees, and if you have such skills (Particularly in software development and telecommunications) and some experience getting a job offer and a company to apply for your work visa won't be difficult. Rumour has it they're thinking of rejigging the whole immigration-points system, but don't hold your breath. Willie-O
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Metchosin Date: 18 Apr 00 - 09:36 AM a small streak of masochism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: alison Date: 18 Apr 00 - 09:39 AM I got into Australia using a points system.. my advice if you intend to do it (assuming it works the same for Canada)is to apply when you are young..... I was the main applicant... my hubby was an "attachment"... because I was between 25 -29 I got more extra points than him (he was an old man of 30!!) and for every 5 years you got older the points dropped rapidly.... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Metchosin Date: 18 Apr 00 - 09:58 AM we have the point system here too alison.
It helps if you have a lot of money and want to make capital investments, you can get fast tracked that way as well
We have a Count von Bothmer here (an American, not as the title suggests). Somehow he has managed not only to imigrate (despite rumors in the paper that he may have a bit of a criminal record), but is currently living in an old Heritage house in a very exclusive area of Victoria, which he has managed to lease from The Anglican Women's League for 99 years for a dollar a year and so far not paid any property taxes as well (charitable institution and all). Seems the Ladies leased it to him because he was such a polite and pleasant man. Currently, bit of a hoot and a scandle here. Alison, my advise is to buy yourself a title or change your name legally to Lady Slainte of Oz. Could work wonders. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: sophocleese Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:01 AM But don't ask the Prime Minsiter to help you with the queen. Poor Poor Conrad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Little Neophyte Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:05 AM Well kat, if you really want to become a Canadian, you can marry me. Like Willie-O was saying, it would make it a great deal easier for you. I am not sure what Roger will have to say about all this, Little Neo |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: GUEST,ernest c Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:11 AM So how is it that in Canada and Australia you can get away with 'points' systems and in the United States we are expected to take everyone who wants to come in, whether legally or illegally? I'm not saying we do take them all, but the perception is that we are being somehow unfeeling and restrictive if we deny immigration and services, services, services to someone who wishes to come in no matter how they got here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:18 AM Let's blame it on Emma Lazarus ernest.........Whaddaya' think? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Midchuck Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:26 AM I thought it was like emigrating to Israel. In both cases, you have to have surgery, but if you're going to Canada they remove part of your brain. Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck. Peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Metchosin Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:31 AM well you may think you're expected to take them ernest, but you don't. Your methods for dealing with illegals are certainly far more restrictive than Canada's, because it is usually dealt with by the military, especially here on the West Coast. Consequently recent boatloads from China are being dumped on the shore in B.C. and funneled into the States, that way.
You could come in as a refugee alison, especially if you claim you were scooped up for the sex trade in the U.S.
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: alison Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:37 AM errr...... thanks (I think).... the points system isn't the only way.. of course there is marrying a native..... getting citizenship.. then bringing across your relatives..... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:40 AM I dunno' alison........I think we could work out something on the "Sex Slave" thing, at least enough to put on your resume' or entrance visa......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: katlaughing Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:42 AM Oh, LilNeo, could I!? You know Rog is so open, but I worry about the cats...we'd have to get a bigger place, right?**BG** I love these answers, everyone, thank you! LOL and thanks, Joe, for the real info, too! katlaughingforsure! |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: alison Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:42 AM well it worked for Oz.. why not somewhere else.....
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Metchosin Date: 18 Apr 00 - 11:25 AM of course alison, if you're not that keen on marrying a Kenajun, maybe we can find somebody who can adopt you. Count von Bothmer claims he was adopted by the real Countess von Bothmer when she was eighty-nine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: GUEST,ernest c Date: 18 Apr 00 - 11:33 AM REPEATING, didn't say we take them all. It's just the perception that we should. Why don't these illegal Chinese immigrants stay in Canada then? Not looking for an argument, it's just an unanswerable question. It would seem that Canada would do just as well. So who does the funneling? Or why don't they stay in China, for that matter? Everyone knows the answer to that one, but it is 'politically incorrect' to voice it.
Getting back to becoming a Canadian. Many conversations here lately seem to be emphasizing the differences between Canadian and U. S. citizens. I prefer to think of the similarities. I like Canadians, at least the Canadians I know. I can't speak for the ones I don't know, so blanket statements about 'Canadians', 'Murricans', 'Mexicans', are pretty useless. If I were not happy here it would be my choice to go there, but it sounds as though I would not be welcomed with open arms. From speaking to Canadian friends over the years, I already knew that. So exclusion of those of the wrong color, age, employment skills, amount of MONEY, whatever, is a universal problem.
One last thing. If I were to go somewhere else, I would not spend my time complaining about how I would like to be back 'home'. That would then be home and I would treat it as such. While I could never become a native, I like to think I'd adapt in such a way that I would be an asset to the community I lived in. Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor. It used to work, Catspaw, but I am not so sure it works anymore. Assimiliation or lack of it is the key problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Rick Fielding Date: 18 Apr 00 - 12:06 PM Well, apparently when Duckboots was 19 and dying to leave Glasgow 'cause she was bored with it. She applied to the States first, then Oz, and as an afterthought..Canada. The good 'ol Canucks came through with the papers first. I'm kinda glad. The lazy sod still hasn't become a citizen....but the govt. must THINK she is, 'cause they've been letting her vote for years. Hmmmm very efficient beurocracy what? Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: GUEST,James Date: 18 Apr 00 - 12:09 PM I did it...dead easy...apply...come...find a job...stay...now a citizen. Never even considered another place, Canada was always my first choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Metchosin Date: 18 Apr 00 - 12:35 PM alison if you are serious, here is some further information that you might find helpful. click here |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Metchosin Date: 18 Apr 00 - 01:16 PM kat, our current rates for our B.C. Med are $62.00 per month for a family of two. If you are very low income, the Medical is paid for by the government and half of medical is usually paid for by your employer, but if you are self employed you pay the whole shot.
Before you decide this is the land of milk and honey, remember that we are very heavily taxed. The Medical Premiums do not cover the cost of health care so the government gets it other ways.
Unfortunately, there has been a bit of migration of Canadian doctors to the states, particularly in recent years of specialists and recent graduates, as they can make big bucks down there and we the taxpayers of Canada are footing the bill for what it really pays to educate and train them.
In B.C., 31% of the population (1998 statistics) is now living below, what is termed, the poverty line, that is one of every three in the province and this Province is considered one of the rich ones and the gap between rich and poor is ever widening.
The average house price for a starter here in Victoria is in the range of $200,000 to $230,000 and is higher still in Vancouver. It drops fairly substantially as soon as you are out of major economic areas. (remember the Canadian dollar is valued at about 67 cents U.S.) but once here you are earning Canadian money.
Unfortunately, racism is alive and well in Canada (usually subtle) but not always.
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Willie-O Date: 18 Apr 00 - 01:19 PM My remarks on cheap labour were not meant to encourage immigra-phobia. Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor Etc. has become a sour joke when you look at actual current U.S. immigration policies and trends--and assimilating was not exactly the approach your ancestors and mine took to the native civilization that was thriving on this continent when the Europeans got here. Quite the contrary Carping about people retaining their culture and an interest in their homeland, however imperfect it may have been, is not something I have much patience with. We're here because of an interest in folk music, Ernie--for which the first requirement is that you have to know something about your folk. Willie-O |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: MK Date: 18 Apr 00 - 01:34 PM SIGNS YOU MAY BE CANADIAN: You stand in ''line-ups'' at the movie, not lines. You're not offended by the term, ''Homo Milk''. You understand the phrase, ''Could you please pass me a serviette, I just spilled my poutine''. You eat chocolate bars instead of candy bars. You drink pop, not soda. You know what it means to be on pogey. You know that a mickey and 2x4's mean ''Party at the camp, eh!!'' You can drink legally while still a teen. You talk about the weather with strangers and friends alike. You don't know or care about the fuss with Cuba, it's just a cheap place to travel to and has good cigars. When there is a social problem, you turn to your government to fix it instead of telling them to stay out of it. You're not sure if the leader of your nation has EVER had sex and don't want to know! You get milk in bags as well as cartons and plastic jugs. Pike is a type of fish, not some part of a highway. You drive on a highway, not a freeway. You sit on a couch not a chesterfield - that is some small town in Quebec! You know what a Robertson screwdriver is. You have Canadian Tire money in your kitchen drawers. You know that Thrills are something to chew and taste like soap. You know that Mounties don't always look like that. You dismiss all beers under 6% as ''for children and the elderly''. You know that the Friendly Giant isn't a vegetable product line. You know that Casey and Finnegan are not a Celtic musical group. You participated in ''ParticipAction''. You have an Inuit carving by your bedside with the rationale, ''What's good enough protection for the Prime Minister is good enough for me''. You wonder why there isn't a 5 dollar coin yet. Unlike any international assassin/terrorist/spy in the world, you don't possess a Canadian passport. You use a red pen on your non-Canadian textbooks and fill in the missing 'U's from labor, honor, and color. You know the French equivalents of ''free'', ''prize'', and ''no sugar added'', thanks to your extensive education in bilingual cereal packaging. You are excited whenever an American television show mentions Canada and, you make a mental note to talk about it at work the next day. You can do all the hand actions to Sharon, Lois and Bram's ''Skin-a-ma-rinky-dinky-doo'' opus. You can eat more than one maple sugar candy without feeling nauseous. You were mad when ''The Beachcombers'' were taken off the air. You know what a toque is. You have some memento of Doug and Bob. You admit Rich Little is Canadian and you're glad Jerry Lewis is not. You know Toronto is not a province. You never miss ''Coaches Corner''. Back-bacon and Kraft Dinner are two of the food groups. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Willie-O Date: 18 Apr 00 - 01:47 PM I still miss The Beachcombers. Also miss two-fours of X and getting one toque over the ligne. Q:How do you get a Canadian off his farm? A:Ask him politely to leave. (In your dreams) |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: ceitagh Date: 18 Apr 00 - 01:54 PM ROTFL, mike k!!!! How true! Kate |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 18 Apr 00 - 02:20 PM Has any one heard about the new Canadian version of "Jeopardy" hitting the CBC later this summer?? All answers must be in the form of an apology... LOL!! {~` |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Apr 00 - 02:26 PM So, Mike, are you going to offer a commentary and explanations for your Canadian signs? I know most of them, since my family comes from Detroit and Windsor, but I missed several. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: MMario Date: 18 Apr 00 - 02:28 PM I must be canadian - 12 of the above fit me.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: GUEST,russell Date: 18 Apr 00 - 02:44 PM a "time" is a party, a "grunt" is a pudding, a "duff" is a dessert, a "matelot" is a sailor, "some"is an extreme as in some hot, some cold, "dear" means expensive. it is "draught" beer not draft beer.. and it really is beer............especially Sharp Angus.
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: zander (inactive) Date: 18 Apr 00 - 02:46 PM As the late and not lamented Al Capone once said ' I don't even know what street Canada is on '. Only joking, best regards, Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Rick Fielding Date: 18 Apr 00 - 02:48 PM Before you call Mike K a "hoser" be aware he only plays "American Ragtime". (he's pretty good too...keeps me on my toes) Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Willie-O Date: 18 Apr 00 - 03:19 PM Al Capone had an Ottawa Valley hideout built not too far from here, according to local legend...there is no reliable record of him ever being seen there, since he was inconveniently busy being in jail and/or dying of cancer by then, but it was definitely connected with him. (For one thing, the local builder was stiffed for most of his money, made a collection journey to Buffalo, and came back without money but still alive after taking some advice from the mob to forget about it...) So for him to have said that, he must have been somewhat of a bullshitter along with his other moral shortcomings. Mmario, you must be Canadian alright--you counted! W-O |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Willie-O Date: 18 Apr 00 - 03:22 PM Al Capone had an Ottawa Valley hideout built not too far from here, according to local legend...there is no reliable record of him ever being seen there, since he was inconveniently busy being in jail and/or dying of cancer by then, but it was definitely connected with him. (For one thing, the local builder was stiffed for most of his money, made a collection journey to Buffalo, and came back without money but still alive after taking some advice from the mob to forget about it...) So for him to have said that, he must have been somewhat of a bullshitter along with his other moral shortcomings. Mmario, you must be Canadian alright--you counted! Q:What did the Ottawa Valley motorist say to the three-headed, one-legged hitchhiker? A:Same as usual: "G'day, g'day, g'day, hop in!"
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 18 Apr 00 - 05:02 PM Al Capone didn't die of cancer, unless you get cancer from untreated syphilis... {~`
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Metchosin Date: 18 Apr 00 - 05:15 PM Xing is not French for Bike. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: GUEST,Peter T. Date: 18 Apr 00 - 05:24 PM Canadian immigration rules are a total disgrace and created by something out of Swift and Joseph Heller. I have highly qualified people who come into my office on a weekly basis who cannot find work -- their credentials got them into this country, but once they get in these credentials are not accepted. The refugee/political/family entry streams are so mixed up that no one can understand them. If you fall in love with someone in most foreign countries, and want to bring them in without marrying them, that is forbidden; but if you run a stripjoint in Toronto and want to ship in poor women from anywhere in the world to exploit them, you can do so. Many countries desperately need their college graduates to build their own infrastructure -- so we strip them of those people. And we complain about our own brain drain to the U.S. It is completely insane. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: Bill D Date: 18 Apr 00 - 11:56 PM gee, something tells me that it's no use LOOKING for Paradise...It doesn't seem to exist. Still, a lot of places seem pretty nice...Canada included. Different, but wonderful in their own way...I'd love to get to know Canada, Australia, Great Britain...etc. a lot better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: OK-What's It Take To Become a Canadian? From: alison Date: 19 Apr 00 - 03:16 AM Sorry if we got our wires crossed..... I have no intention of emmigrating to Canada (but I'd love to visit)... I like heat too much ...... I was just helping to explain some of how you move to another country... slainte alison |
