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How many fallen women does it take? (songs)

Mark Clark 25 Apr 00 - 03:01 PM
SDShad 25 Apr 00 - 03:05 PM
GUEST,JenEllen 25 Apr 00 - 03:06 PM
TerriM 25 Apr 00 - 03:08 PM
SINSULL 25 Apr 00 - 03:21 PM
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Amos 25 Apr 00 - 03:26 PM
MartinRyan 25 Apr 00 - 04:53 PM
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Caitrin 25 Apr 00 - 05:16 PM
dick greenhaus 25 Apr 00 - 05:27 PM
GUEST,JenEllen 25 Apr 00 - 05:42 PM
Mbo 25 Apr 00 - 06:26 PM
sophocleese 25 Apr 00 - 06:35 PM
Mbo 25 Apr 00 - 06:38 PM
Rick Fielding 25 Apr 00 - 11:02 PM
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GUEST,Frankie 25 Apr 00 - 11:53 PM
Mbo 25 Apr 00 - 11:54 PM
wysiwyg 26 Apr 00 - 12:03 AM
jofield 26 Apr 00 - 12:16 AM
Metchosin 26 Apr 00 - 12:29 AM
Metchosin 26 Apr 00 - 12:39 AM
Mark Clark 26 Apr 00 - 12:48 AM
Rick Fielding 26 Apr 00 - 02:26 AM
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Subject: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 03:01 PM

I was reading the thread on the Great Speckled Bird in which James in Bristol, RI, mentions that the melody was also used for Hank Thompson's "WILD SIDE OF LIFE" and Kitty Wells' "IT WASN'T GOD WHO MADE HONKY TONK ANGELS," songs dealing with women who had fallen from the narrow path, victims of strong drink, thoughtless men and maybe even tobacco.

I can think of a few other songs along those lines---the Stanley's "SHE'S MORE TO BE PITIED (Than Scolded)" comes to mind---but I thought it might be fun to see how many such songs Mudcatters can come up with. The one to contribute the most verifiable titles will be awarded a genuine invisible facsimile.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: SDShad
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 03:05 PM

Steve Earle's "SOMETIMES SHE FORGETS," and "NOW SHE'S GONE"

Chris


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,JenEllen
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 03:06 PM

"victims of strong drink, thoughtless men and maybe even tobacco".....you been peeking in my window again Mark?*bg*

Let me look around and see what I can find
~Elle


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: TerriM
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 03:08 PM

How about 'LOUISE'? Bonnie Rait does a nice version of that song.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 03:21 PM

Hank Williams:

The Bad Girl Who Lives Down The Street. [see BE CAREFUL OF STONES THAT YOU THROW]

TOO MANY PARTIES AND TOO MANY PALS.

PICTURES FROM LIFE'S OTHER SIDE

and

KATY CRUEL

HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN

More later.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 03:25 PM

WHO'S GONNA HOLD HER HAND?

(You Picked a Fine Time to Leave Me) LUCILLE

Interesting that there are a lot more of these than "Men who regret infidelity".


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 03:26 PM

"HER MOTHER NEVER TOLD HER" and, on a slightly different angle, "(She's Only) A BIRD IN A GILDED CAGE" (the 1890's equivalent to "(You Can't Hide Those) LYIN' EYES".

A


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 04:53 PM

"SHE WAS POOR BUT SHE WAS HONEST"

Regards


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 05:10 PM

RUBY DON'T TAKE YOUR LOVE TO TOWN


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Caitrin
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 05:16 PM

JenEllen! You don't have to put on the red light! *bg* Sorry...For some reason I'm drawing a blank on everything but the Police. I'll be back with folk songs in a bit.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 05:27 PM

"They say that she's sunken, they say that she fell
From the narrow and virtuous path
But her French formal gardens are sunken as well
And so is her pink marble bath"

[See WE NEVER MENTION AUNT CLARA]

To which I can add, from the top of my head,

I RIDE AN OLD PAINT (...son went to college, his daughter went wrong)

"THere's a name that's never spoken..." [See "PICTURE THAT IS TURNED TOWARD THE WALL"]

"'twas a cold winter's evening, the boys were all leaving, O'Reilley was closing the bar..." [See "THE LADY IN RED"]

BAD GIRL'S LAMENT

NANCY BROWN..."She came down that mountain early, more a woman than a girly..."

CHARLOTTE THE HARLOT

KAFOOZALEM

....there's a lot


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,JenEllen
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 05:42 PM

Damn you folks are fast, shoot off to make a cup of tea and have a think, and this is what happens?
Caitrin:LOL I thought of that one too! gotta luv 'em.
The only other one that got stuck in my skull that isn't represented here is the C&W one, "FANCY", I think it was Reba.
~Elle


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 06:26 PM

What about "I DREAMED A DREAM" from Les Mis?

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: sophocleese
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 06:35 PM

does it take to change a light bulb?

depends on how you want it done, mister.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 06:38 PM

What about that line from "DOWN WHERE THE DRUNKARDS ROLL" by Richard Thompson....does that count?

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 11:02 PM

Let's not forget "Laurie Foster" or every "lowdown, cheatin', razor totin', woman that turned all those lazy guys into Blues singers. Real bad, 'cause they're barely outta bed when it starts..."Woke up this mornin'.."

Rick


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: JamesJim
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 11:13 PM

QUEEN OF THE SILVER DOLLAR. Jim


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Frankie
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 11:53 PM

CLOSE UP THE HONKY TONKS,

VENOM WEARIN' DENIM,

TURNING OF THE TIDE


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Apr 00 - 11:54 PM

Hey, isn't "Venom Wearing Denim" by Junior Brown?

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 12:03 AM

Personally, me and Hardiman like, "Yo Mama Sleep in Pay Toilet." Blues of course, by Miz Vendetta Threats, although rather obscure even for King Max.

Paul, Paul, Paul!!

Don't you realize we can just make up titles and someone will be requesting them from DT a year later????


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: jofield
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 12:16 AM

"(YOU'RE) NO LONGER A SWEETHEART OF MINE":

Go back to that bar down the street, love,
And stay with your honky-tonk kind.
Go back to the life you been livin'
YNLASOM.

All the verses work over the same subject.

"SHE'S NO ANGELL", by the Stanleys.

Great, little-known Jim Ringer song called "TIJUANA":

She got led off by someone's lies,
But TJ opened up her eyes completely,
And now she realized what home was worth."

There's a-plenty of em...

James, still in Bristol, RI.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 12:29 AM

THE MAKER by Daniel Lanois from the album Acadie

Brother John can you see the homeless daughters
Standing there with broken wings


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 12:39 AM

Does any one besides me, wish that whenever there are threads like this, they could just push a button and the song or songs they have just posted could be immediately accessed by everyone else on the thread?


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 12:48 AM

This is turning out to be a really great list. Do you think "GIRL IN THE BLUE VELVET BAND" is close enough to be included?

- Mark


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 02:26 AM

Say Mark, how 'bout the one in the "BLACK VELVET BAND"? Think they know each other?

Rick


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 02:47 AM

www.salfolks


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Escamillo
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 02:52 AM

Sorry, I can´t contribute with a folk song, but if you want, could name some 400 TANGOS ! LOL
Un abrazo - Andrés


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Greta
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 04:05 AM

Well, there's "SWINGIN' FROM YOUR CRYSTAL CHANDELIERS " by the Austin Lounge Lizards:

"Satin pillows lie beneath your head
Satin sheets adorn your queen-sized bed
Still someday you'll get sick of truffles and imported beers
While you're swingin' from your crystal chandeliers."

But maybe when it's not 1 am I'll be able to think of some non-satirical ones.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 07:51 AM

Have to throw in my "theme song" -- "WE NEVER MENTION AUNT CLARA" which I learned from a woman who learned it from the father of her college room mate.

"They say that she's sunken, they say that she fell
From the narrow and virtuous path
But her French formal gardens are sunken as well
And so is her pink marble bath.

Linn, the Bat Goddess


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 07:54 AM

Oops, almost forgot Madeleine Peyroux's "WAS I? (Drunk, Was He Handsome, and Did Mama Give Me Hell?)".


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,John Gray / Australia
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:08 AM

PENICILLIN PENNY - Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Grab
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:20 AM

"CINDY'S CRYINGCINDY'S CRYING", by Tom Paxton - lovely song. And "HOTEL CALIFORNIA" probably kind of qualifies too. And plenty of Chris Isaak stuff - slightly off-beat pop, but anyway. "SOLITARY MAN" by Neil Diamond, sung by CI, is pretty good with some great lyrics.

Garth Brooks, "PAPA LOVED MAMA", for something a bit more upbeat. And entirely un-folk (but good music and fun all the same), Ace of Base with "ALL THAT SHE WANTS" - love to arrange a guitar and fiddle version of that!

Grab.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: SDShad
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:43 AM

How could I forget? Guy Clark's "RITA BALLOU":

She's a rawhide rope and velvet mixture
Walkin' talkin Texas texture
High-timin' barroom fixture kind of a girl
She's the queen of the cowboys
Look at old Willard grinnin' now boys
You'd of thought there's less fools in this world

Guy Clark rules.

Shgad

Or Shad, even


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: BuskerBard
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:50 AM

How about "TECUMSEH VALLEY?" Granted, the 'thoughtless man' was her father who died, but in any case...

"So she turned to whoring, out on the street with all the lust inside her..."

And there's always the infamous "PATRICIA THE STRIPPER" by Chris De Burgh...


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Stewie
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:55 AM

On the drug side, Dick Feller's 'CRY FOR LORI', Lee Clayton's 'LITTLE COCAINE' and Kris Kristofferson's 'SUGAR MAN' spring to mind.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Ely
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 10:34 AM

Hazel Dickens' "TOMORROW'S ALREADY LOST"

Nanci Griffith's [LOOKING FOR THE TIME (WORKIN' GIRL)] one about "you say you're looking for the time, well I'm a working girl, you just wasted mine. And if you ain't got money, take it down the avenue, 'cause I ain't got the time for you."

"GIRL BEHIND THE BAR" ["West Side Tavern"] (probably trad.; I've got it on the Red Clay Ramblers & Fiddlin' Al McCandless record, and I think on Jay Ungar's _Catskill Mt. Goose Chase_)

Freakwater's "A SONG YOU COULD CRY FOR"

"PRETTY PEGGY": What will your mother think for to hear the guineas clink, and the soldiers all marching behind you?

"LITTLE SADIE"

I've always wondered about Norman Blake's "CHATTANOOGA SUGAR BABE"--the verse about "standing on the corner with your mouth in a pout". I'm assuming he means sulking, but it could be something else . . .


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Hyperabid
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 10:52 AM

ROXANNE - The Police

LOLA - The Kinks - provided cross dressers count

HONKY TONK WOMAN - The Rolling Stones

PATRICIA THE STRIPPER - Chris Rea

GYPSIES, TRAMPS AND THIEVES - Cher

Hyp


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 10:53 AM

BEESWING by Richard Thompson

Last I heard
She was sleepin' rough
Back on the Derby beat
White horse in her hip pocket
And a wolf hound at her feet.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 11:06 AM

Hm..........guess not.............


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: DADGBE
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 11:21 AM

Listen to any bluegrass? A LARGE percentage of them are on this theme, usually from a..."You done stomped on my heart and squashed that sucker flat"...male hurt pride point of view.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 11:38 AM

ROYAL FORESTER by Steeleye Span


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: L R Mole
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 11:42 AM

Just to throw this into far left field, the NYT yesterday mentioned that some song from the Three Stooges movie omitted the sentence "She was bred in old Kentucky but she's just a crumb up here". Wasn't there a vogue for variations on this formula, and if so, were they sung (good evening, friends.....)?


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 11:52 AM

and more from the not so Gay 90's

"SHE MAY HAVE SEEN BETTER DAYS" and "SHE'S MORE TO BE PITIED (THAN CENSURED)"


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 11:55 AM

and "JUST TELL THEM THAT YOU SAW ME". Boy there sure was a lot of fallen women then......


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Midchuck
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 12:11 PM

DADGBE said: "Listen to any bluegrass? A LARGE percentage of them are on this theme, usually from a..."You done stomped on my heart and squashed that sucker flat"...male hurt pride point of view."

I'm sorry, but this is incorrect. Those songs are country, not bluegrass. They're only bluegrass if the woman dies.

Speaking of Country, did anyone mention "STREETS OF BALTIMORE?"

Peter.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: annamill
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 12:21 PM

"Back out on the streets again" Eagles.

"I wish I was a fascinating Bitch"
"I never would be poor, I alway would be rich"
"I'd sleep all day and work all night"
"and live in a house with a big red light".
I don't know who wrote it.

Any woman song by Mickey Newbury.
"SAN FRANCISCO MABEL JOY" comes to mind.

"MATERIAL GIRL" Madonna.

This is going to be a really long thread.

Love, annap


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 01:01 PM

More country:
(When the New Wears Off of Your) CRYSTAL CHANDELIERS.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Ely
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 02:55 PM

"LOST HIGHWAY" could apply to a woman just as easily if you switched a few words.

Sorry to slip her in here, but wasn't Joan Osborne's "Saint Theresa" about a drug dealer?


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 04:17 PM

"(The Police Want You and) MY WIFE THINKS YOU'RE DEAD" by Junior Brown - a classic


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Paddy(1)
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 07:43 PM

Is there no end to this?

LYIN' EYES
(City girls just seem to find out early . . )

WHISKEY IN THE JAR
(The divil take the women for you know she tricked me easy . . )

LONG BLACK VEIL
(I had been in the arms of my best friend's wife . . )

HE STOPPED LOVING HER TODAY
(He kept her picture by his bed ...)

LET HIM ROLL
(She turned his last proposal down, in favour of being a girl about town . . )

TEQUILA SHEILA
(But I can't make love to a squealer, Sheila . . .)
and, of course,

DELILAH
(I saw the light on the night . . . )

But what would we do without you, girls ? ? ?

How about a "faithful women" thread?

To start it off how about

Old Flames
(Old flames can't hold a candle to you . . )

Paddy(1)


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:40 PM

"MARY OF THE WILD MOOR" may qualify -- girl home with baby, old style Scots father refuses to let her in, they both freeze to death. He's sorry too late.

If it's not in the DB I'll get it off the J A Cameron vinyl and post it.

there's that great rhyming monolog about "That's how it is when we're ruined." [THE RUINED MAID by Thomas Hardy]


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Frankie
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 10:36 PM

Yes Mbo, that was by Junior Brown off his Semi Crazy CD (which by the way is a hoot). Another listing could be Dance Hall Girls of Baltimore by Tim Hardin (?). F


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Mbo
Date: 26 Apr 00 - 10:38 PM

Junior Brown RULES!!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,not Cecil Sharp
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 12:57 PM

(a) The bawdier variants of REILLY'S DAUGHTER?

(b) -new-
SHE WAS POOR BUT SHE WAS HONEST,
Victim of a rich man's whim;
For she loved him, and he let her;
Swears he never put it in.

See him in the -- Office (and you can pretty much make up the rest)


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 07:30 PM

IN THE QUIET MORNING

IT AIN'T IN THE WINE (Kate Wolf)


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,JAZE
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 07:35 PM

1. RAISED ON ROBBERY

2. MAGDALENE LAUNDRIES


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 08:34 PM

YOU MAKE LOVE TO EVERYONE - by Webb Pierce


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 10:01 PM

HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN.

Where can I find all the lyrics to 'WAS I? (drunk, etc.)' Gad that is funny and true.

I just heard 'BEESWING' on NPR this Sunday.

Someone had ask about 'onery' that souther (United States below the Mason-Dixon Line) for honery or mean.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 01:38 AM

That "long-legged street-walkin' Cajun-lookin devil" in the Kris Kristofferson song "SMOKEY PUT THE SWEAT ON ME" sounds like a candidate.

"DEVIL WOMAN" ("Devil woman, let me go...leave me alone, I wanna go home") Don't know who wrote it.

"DELILAH" (I saw the flickering shadows of love on her blinds). Though she didn't last long!

"Miss Nellie Bly [sp???]" Named as "The other woman" in some versions of "FRANKIE AND JOHNNY" (Including Michelle Shocked's excellent version).

Does "Felina" [sp??] from Rosa's cantina count? or is merely dancing in a cantina OK even tho' "Black as the night were the eyes of Felina, wicked & evil while casting their spell"? [EL PASO by Marty Robbins]

Decidedly, women are the root of all evil- can't live with 'em, & it's illegal to shoot 'em.

OH FOR GOD@S SAKE, I'M ONLY KIDDING!!!


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Extra Stout
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 02:09 AM

Mississippi John Hurt's "RICHLAND WOMAN BLUES": 'Red rooster says "Cock-a-doodle-doo" Richland Woman says "Any dude'll do" '


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Ribbit
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 03:10 AM

"LAY LADY LAY" Bob Dylan

"Keep On Truckin' Mama" Chad Mitchell Trio [MANDY LANE]


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: John Hardly
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 03:48 AM

"YOU MAKE IT EASY (For A Man To Fall)"--James Taylor

"THE RIVER WHERE SHE SLEEPS"--Dave Carter


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: John P
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 07:12 AM

"BAD GIRL'S LAMENT", an oddball Unfortunate Rake variant where a woman is dying of strong drink and syphilis.

When I was a young girl I used to seek pleasure
When I was a young girl I used to drink ale
Out of an alehouse and into a jailhouse
Right out of a bar room and down to my grave.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,aldus
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:35 AM

SHE MOVES AMONG MEN as sung by June Tabor.

THREE DRUNKEN MAIDENS,

THE WHORE'S LAMENT as sung by Frankie Armstrong.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Songster Bob
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 01:34 PM

Someone else listed one of my favorites, "JUST TELL THEM THAT YOU SAW ME," which was one of those Gay '90s songs, like "PICTURES FROM LIFE'S OTHER SIDE," "SHE'S MORE TO BE PITIED (Than Censured/Scorned)" (can't remember which the last word should be), and "THERE'LL COME A TIME (SOMEDAY)," which was one of the late Gus Meade's favorite songs because it was entirely in dialogue, with no "he saids," or "she saids." Another from that era is "THE FACE ON THE BAR-ROOM FLOOR" (was this set to music or just a poem?).

Bob Clayton


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 02:49 PM

First of all, the question Mark poses isn't "How many fallen women does it take to change a light bulb?" It's "How many fallen women does it take to "screw" in a light bulb?"

Now, that puts a whole other take on this thread. Right? I suspect that the answer is one---at least if what you're looking for is the least number of fallen women it would take to do that. If you are looking for the most fallen women it would take, the answer would depend on the size of the bulb---unless, of course, you are one of those that thinks size matters.

If you are gay, it's a whole other can o' worms.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:21 PM

Are there any "Fallen Men" songs??


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Catrin
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 07:08 PM

Fallen Men?

HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN

(Hang down your head) TOM DOOLEY

ST. JAMES INFIRMARY

BANKS OF THE OHIO

I suspect there's millions, but it's always the woman's fault!

Cheers*BG*,

Catrin


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:49 PM

IT'S THE SAME THE WHOLE WORLD OVER

CARELESS LOVE,

PRETTY POLLY,

HER MOTHER NEVER TOLD HER

.... wait, I think we're counting an infinite loop....

A


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: mkebenn
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 07:52 AM

No mention of (faithless) FLORA (the lily of the west). On the drug theme, none better than Buffy's COD'INE. On the men's side Kris's "CASEY'S LAST RIDE" usually quiets the crowd for me.." and he stumbles as he's leavin', and he wonders if the reason is the beer that's in his belly or the tear that's in his eye" Come to think of it, there's one of each in that song. Mike Bennett


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,larry
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 09:54 AM

how about "LITTLE MAGGIE" the old bluegrass standard?


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 12:55 PM

An excellent song on the 'fallen woman' and the difference between fallen women and fallen men is Michelle Shocked's PRODIGAL DAUGHTER (with some Cotton-Eyed Joe going on as well). A great song on a great album.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 09:54 PM

"JELLY JELLY"---as done by Josh White

"YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD OLD WAGON (DADDY, BUT YOU DONE BROKE DOWN)"--Bessie Smith

"The Hooker Daisy Hill"--by Jud Strunk

"THE FOGGY DEW" (trad.)


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Jimmy C
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 12:49 AM

THE JOLLY TINKER

THE CHANDLER'S WIFE

THE VIRGIN STURGEON

A MAID GOING TO COMBER

THE FOGGY FOGGY DEW

TWO MAIDS WENT A-MILKING

THE TROOPER AND THE MAID

BUNCH OF THYME

CARELESS LOVE

there are more songs about fallen women than there are fallen women ?.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 24 Dec 00 - 04:21 PM

"Why Paddy's Not At Work Today" is definitely a song about a "fallen man".

Art


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Subject: Lyr Add: AS I WENT OUT ONE MORNING (Bob Dylan)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Dec 00 - 11:04 AM

"As I Went Out One Morning" by Bob Dylan:

As I went out one morning
To breathe the air around Tom Paine's,
I spied the fairest damsel
That ever did walk in chains.
I offer'd her my hand,
She took me by the arm.
I knew that very instant,
She meant to do me harm.

"Depart from me this moment,"
I told her with my voice.
Said she, "But I don't wish to,"
Said I, "But you have no choice."
"I beg you, sir," she pleaded
From the corners of her mouth,
"I will secretly accept you
And together we'll fly south."

Just then Tom Paine, himself,
Came running from across the field,
Shouting at this lovely girl
And commanding her to yield.
And as she was letting go her grip,
Up Tom Paine did run,
"I'm sorry, sir," he said to me,
"I'm sorry for what she's done."

From the great album "John Wesley Harding", which is a reflective work, full of religious imagery and a general feeling of repentance for past excesses. The fallen woman in this song is no doubt an archetype, meant to symbolize numerous things that lead one astray...things like the desire for fame, success, glory, and personal gain...at the expense of the soul's honesty.

Then there's the old folk song that starts "Well met, well met, my own true love, well met, well met, cried he, for I've just returned from the salt, salt sea, and it's all for the love of thee..." in which the sailor turns out to be none other than Satan in disguise...what's the tile of that one? [THE HOUSE CARPENTER]

As for "Lay, Lady, Lay", that is NOT about a fallen woman, it's about a faithful and loving wife. No fallen woman there whatsoever. Although, Bob does do an alternate version of it on Hard Rain that could possibly be interpreted as depicting a "fallen" woman, I suppose...

- LH


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Dec 00 - 12:58 PM

Little Hawk, I've known that one for years as "THE DEMON LOVER."

Dave oesterreich


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Dec 00 - 07:37 PM

Hmmm...interesting. I've never seen it under that title.

- LH


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Dec 00 - 07:51 PM

And while we're at it...how many root beers does it take?

- LH


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: John P
Date: 26 Dec 00 - 08:00 AM

"The Demon Lover" is a great song about a woman who succumbs to temptation. Titles for some variants of the same song are "The House Carpenter", "The Banks of Italy", "The Carpenter's Wife", and "James Harris".

John


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Pixie
Date: 26 Dec 00 - 10:16 AM

How about "MARY DANCED WITH SOLDIERS", and "SISTER'S COMIN' HOME" (Willie Nelson, sung by Emmylou). I don't know if "SUMMER WAGES" works with the line "Hookers standing watchfully, waiting by the door"?

And if you want to consider the prospect of women falling "up" lets consider "I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LOVE HIM"...

Pixie


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 09:35 AM

In I'VE GOT NO USE FOR THE WOMEN, in the DT HERE, it's not clear whether the gal was fallen or not, but she caused the fall of "the honest young cowboy". This is an old favorite of mine among the old-time tearjerkers. Now that it comes to mind, I've got to sing it more.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: open mike
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 01:22 PM

back in april this topic was addresses in this thread:
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=58798#935976
fallen women


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Joe_F
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 10:51 PM

HEAVEN WILL PROTECT THE WORKING GIRL

THE LADY IN RED

PERSONAL FRIEND OF MINE

THE REEL OF STUMPIE

FAIR FLOWER OF NORTHUMBERLAND

FOOLISH, INCREDIBLY FOOLISH

SHAPE OF THINGS

YOU WERE ONLY FUCKING WHILE I WAS MAKING LOVE


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 09:54 AM

Fallen from where? How many fallen men are there, while we're at it? Do men fall from the same height as women? How does this falling stuff work, anyway?

A


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Joe_F
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 10:04 AM

There was once a young lady named Sue,
Who preferred a stiff drink to a screw,
But one leads to the other,
And now she's a mother.
Let that be a lesson to you!

Sung at a party, this caused a young & an old lady named Sue to look at each other & raise their eyebrows.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Frivolous Sal
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 04:46 PM

"LOVE FOR SALE"

If you want the thrill of love,
she's been through the mill of love
she's got old love, new love
any type of love but true love....


MY GAL SAL

They call her frivolous Sal
a peculiar sort of a gal
a wild sort of devil, but dead on the level was my gal Sal


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Frivolous Sal
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 04:54 PM

WE NEVER MENTION AUNT CLARA
Her picture is turned to the wall
She lives on the French Riviera
Mother says she is dead to us all


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 04:57 PM

I was told only to widdle-holdin de poo is the hardest thing ta do
gas-most of the time- boy do I do a good poker face and -miss
priss- has nothin on me!


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 05:24 PM

Such an esoteric question! And if they fall in the forest, which side will the moss grow on? Inquiring minds may want to know.

Now I suppose the flight of Amelia Earhardt involved a fallen woman, at least when her plane plunged into the Pacific. There was another song about a cow that fell from the sky and sank a Japanese trawler, but that one's probably a stretch. There a traditional sea song about a female sailor who plunges to her death from the rigging, to the regret and subsequent amazement of all aboard.

Then there's "HARPER VALLEY PTA." See, I can play fair too.

How about songs about just crestfallen women?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 06:20 PM

Congratulations to Mark Clark for launching a thread with a title that made me laugh right out loud! It conjures up so many amusing mental associations, before one realizes it's just songs he's after...

I mean, really, how many fallen women does it take? I ask you!

- LH


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Gareth
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 07:02 PM

Mmmm ! Fallen Women I am surprised that no body has mentioned

"MAGGIE MAY"

Gareth


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 07:03 PM

Crestfallen I can understand -- they're the ones who have dropped their toothpaste tube on the bathroom floor at night. I am sure there are hundreds of thousands of such women. :>))

A


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 08:22 PM

No, Amos, you've got it backwards. The women lurch into the bathroom, fumble open the medicine cabinet, and out pops a tube of Crest which lays them out cold. We could have the basis for a class action suit here, let along a promising ballad which would earn Mudcat and Max millions in royalties. How many women has this happened to? Fess up!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, ducking for cover


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Grab
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 08:44 PM

How many does it take? Never enough, LH, never enough - just ask Hugh Hefner ;-)

But sometimes just one is too many, as the soldier invalided out due to pox found. It's never nice to be rendered whore de combat...

"Jack and Jill went up the hill,
They each had a shilling and a quarter.
Jill came down with half a crown -
They didn't go up for water."

I think I'd better stop now.

Grab.

PS. I was sure this was going to be about screwing in lightbulbs - and the only answer to *that* one is "it depends how much you're paying".


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Hal Davis
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 08:56 PM

Before the Crest hits the fan, Chris (?) White's "Nobody's" would qualify.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 09:54 PM

hmmm...CIGARETTES AND WHISKEY AND WILD WILD WOMEN....
They'll drive you crazy, they'll drive you insane...

Or how about..SHE'S LIKE A SWALLOW...anyone know that one??

It's Canadian eh!

LL


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 10:06 PM

I can see the headlines now! "Mudcat Leads Crestfallen Class to Seek Compensation for Dentifrice Assault!" "Folk Forum Tests Invisible Shield!" "Arguing the Gravity of the Situation, Corporate Bozos Try to Fend Off Folkies"....


Years!... a veritable Bleak House of Toothpaste Wrangling.

A


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: LadyJean
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 11:29 PM

It's the "FAIR FLOWER OF NORTHUMBERLAND", "Get ye doon frae my horse you're a brazen faced hoor."

On the Scot's theme, you might also enjoy "THE RANTIN DOG, THE DADDIE O'T." (Pregnant and unmarried.)

THE LICHTBOB'S LASSIE, (I'll dye my petticoat red. I'll face it with the yellow. I'll tell the dyer lad, that teh Lichbob's I'm tae follow."

A personal favorite of mine comes from Robert Burns "Merry Muse of Caledonia" "AS I CAM O'ER THE CAIRNEY MOUNT, And down amang the blooming heather, The Highland laddie drew his dirk, And sheathed it in my wanton leather." While perusing the "Merry Muse" you might look up "NINE INCH WILL PLEASE A LADY", or "MUIRLAND MEG".

Joe Hill wrote a song [THE WHITE SLAVE] that began "One little girl, fair as a pearl, Worked every day in a laundry." She didn't say pure long. There's a version of the "Streets of Laredo" about a young woman dying of VD. I suspect she caught it on the job.

How many Californians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
None, they screw in hot tubs. (My deepest apologies, it's been that kind or a day.)


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 07:39 AM

How many therapists does it take to change a lightbulb ?

Just one. But the bulb must WANT to change.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 08:55 AM

Amos-

You is the KING! ;~)

Now I seem to remember a song called "THE LADY MECHANIC" which we used to sing at college. One of the ladies made her living by "going up and down," she was an elevator operator. It really wasn't so much about fallen women, more of a primitive affirmative action song. Occupations included lawyers and doctors, each dressed in a unique color in her verse.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Schantieman
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 09:30 AM

I know a lady dressed in red
Makes her living lying on a bed
She's a mattress tester.
She's a mattress tester and I love that girl of mine.

I know a lady dressed in white
Makes her living working at night
She's a night nurse.
She's a night nurse and I love that girl of mine.

I know a lady wears no gown
Makes her living riding up and down
She's an elevator operator.
She's an elevator operator and I love that girl of mine.

I know a lady goes so far -
Makes her living lying in a car
She's an auto mechanic
She's an auto mechanic and I love that girl of mine.

I know a lady dressed in black
Makes her living lying on her back
She's a whore!


Learnt this (would you believe?) at a Boy Scouts of America Summer Camp at Lake Arrowhead, California in 1978. I've imperfectly remembered some of it but you get the gist, no doubt!

Steve


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 10:13 AM

Yes, but how many fallen women does it TAKE???

I can just see Snoopy now, morosely gazing into his stein of root beer at the French cafe, muttering, "How many fallen women does it take...to forget the mud, the horror, the trenches, the dogfights, the endless combats and the grinding futility of this accursed war?! How many?"

(Glug!) (down goes another root beer) "Curse you, Red Baron!!!"

- LH


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: JennyO
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 10:51 AM

Looks like nobody has yet mentioned "KITTY KANE" by John Warner.

Jenny


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE RUINED MAID (Thomas Hardy)
From: Rara Avis
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 11:05 AM

The monologue mentioned in the post by MAG (inactive) 26 Apr 00 "that's how we're ruined..." can be found on the Elsa Lancaster Sings Bawdy Cockney CD. The monologue was based on this poem, which points out certain advantages to being a fallen woman:

THE RUINED MAID (1866) by Thomas Hardy (1840-1928)

" 'Melia, my dear, this does everything crown!
Who could have supposed I should meet you in Town?
And whence such fair garments, such prosperi-ty?"
"O didn't you know I'd been ruined?" said she.

"You left us in tatters, without shoes or socks,
Tired of digging potatoes, and spudding up docks;
And now you've gay bracelets and bright feathers three!"
"Yes: that's how we dress when we're ruined," said she.

"At home in the barton you said `thee' and `thou,'
And `thik oon,' and `theäs oon,' and `t'other'; but now
Your talking quite fits 'ee for high compa-ny!"
"Some polish is gained with one's ruin," said she.

"Your hands were like paws then, your face blue and bleak
But now I'm bewitched by your delicate cheek,
And your little gloves fit as on any la-dy!"
"We never do work when we're ruined," said she.

"You used to call home-life a hag-ridden dream,
And you'd sigh, and you'd sock; but at present you seem
To know not of megrims or melancho-ly!"
"True. One's pretty lively when ruined," said she.

"I wish I had feathers, a fine sweeping gown,
And a delicate face, and could strut about Town!"
"My dear -- a raw country girl, such as you be,
Cannot quite expect that. You ain't ruined," said she.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 11:23 AM

Ha! Ha! Oh, the temptations that beset the fair maiden upon all sides! Those who wish not to be ruined had best hie themselves to the nearest nunnery posthaste.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE LADY MECHANIC
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 05:33 PM

Steve-

You know I started a thread here on "The Lady Mechanic" and got hardly a nibble. Here's the verses the way I recall them:

The Lady Mechanic

G
I know a lady dressed in black,
-------------------------G7
She makes her living on her back –
-------------------C
She's a lady me-chanic,
-------------------G
She's a lady me-chanic,
---------D----------------------D7------------G
She's a lady mechanic and I love her any-how.

I know a lady dressed in red,
She makes her living going from bed to bed –
She's a registered nurse…

I know a lady dressed in green,
She makes her living pounding meat lean –
She's a lady butcher…

I know a lady dressed in brown,
She makes her living going up and down –
She's an elevator operator…

I know a lady lives on a hill,
Every night she gets her fill –
She's a blueberry picker…

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Joe_F
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 06:44 PM

Schantieman: Naw, she's a *Beautyrest tester*.

Likewise:

I know a lady dressed in blue.
She's always good for a screw.
She's a lathe operator....


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: LadyJean
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 10:13 PM

Then of course there's Gang Bang Lulu, but it isn't one of my favorites. The most printable verse is:
      Rich girl's pants are made of silk
      Poor girl's of chambray.
      Lulu wears no pants at all, says they just get in the way.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 07:15 PM

"FAN ME SOLJA MAN" is a Jamaican traditional song about a girl who becomes a camp follower. "IRON BAR", a song about a drunk which had its tune borrowed for "Jamaica Farewell", has the line "Mi no wan dutty gyal come fingle mi."


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: GUEST,CaroleT
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 12:58 PM

My husband and I just bought a new bed yesterday -- after testing out countless variations on this theme. I kept making up lyrics to a song a friend from high school used to sing about a "Beautyrest tester." So this morning I Googled "Beautyrest tester" and this is THE ONLY PAGE WHICH CAME UP. I am, quite frankly, both grateful to you that I'm not the only one who remembers this ditty and disappointed that there isn't a YouTube video of someone singing some variant.

...and I'd have to say that I enjoyed virtually meeting folks with the same twisted sense of humor. Crestfallen. Tee hee!


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 02:23 PM

. . . to screw in a light bulb?

Well, they wouldn't be fallen women if they had used a sturdier ladder.

(sorry!)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:46 PM

I may have missed this but has anyone mentioned "Amelia Earhart"?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:07 PM

I suspect that some of them didn't fall.....they jumped!


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: frogprince
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:20 PM

...as long as you're down there, darlin'...


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 07:55 PM

I asked Chongo about this. He said, "It only takes one. Trust me on this."


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: ollaimh
Date: 17 Sep 11 - 05:54 PM

i like lily of the west and sing it all the time, but i am not sure flora was actually faithless. there's nothing in the song to show she ever returned his affections. i think he was just a stalker!for all we know flora had no interest in him at all.

but "SPANISH PIPEDREAM (BLOW UP YOUR TV)" by john prine starts with the great verse

she was a level headed dancer
on the road to alcohol
and i was just a sailor
on my way to montreal

but the fallen woman , takes him to the country to be a tv less hippie with kids and a garden--so i guess that's redemption


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Sep 11 - 09:17 PM

I spoke to a fallen woman today, just to get a fair and balanced viewpoint by hearing from both sides. In regards to Chongo's comment earlier on this thread she grimaced and said: "One goddamn chimp is enough for a lifetime!"

I think they may know each other.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Sep 11 - 09:49 PM

Gives the expression "going ape" a whole new significance.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Sep 11 - 10:03 PM

"Gorilla-my-dreams, I adore you..."


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Subject: Lyr Add: TAKE BACK YOUR GOLD (Pritzkow/Rosenfeld)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 07:31 PM

This song was mentioned in the thread 'Mother Songs' of the tear-jerker variety but it's not really appropriate there because it doesn't mention a mother. The woman in this story isn't exactly a "fallen" one either, but she seems to be trying to avoid becoming one:


TAKE BACK YOUR GOLD
Words by Louis W. Pritzkow; music by Monroe H. Rosenfeld; ©1897.

1. I saw a youth and maiden on a lonely city street,
And thought them lovers at their meeting place,
Until, as I drew near, I heard the girl's sad voice entreat
The one who heeded not her tear-stained face:
"I only ask you, Jack, to do your duty, that is all.
You know you promised that we should be wed."
And when he said, "You shall not want, whatever may befall,"
She spurned the gold he offered her and said:

CHORUS: "Take back your gold, for gold can never buy me.
Take back your bribe, and promise you'll be true.
Give me the love, the love that you'd deny me.
Make me your wife; that's all I ask of you!"

2. He drew her close unto him, and to soothe her then he tried,
But she in pride and sorrow turned away,
And as he sought to comfort her, she wept and softly sighed:
"You'll rue your cruel actions, Jack, someday."
"Now, little one, don't cry," he said, "for though tonight we part,
And though another soon will be my bride,
This gold will help you to forget," but with a breaking heart,
She scorned his gift and bitterly replied: CHORUS


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: GUEST,eldergirl
Date: 31 Jul 13 - 05:53 AM

DEVIL WOMAN was by Marty Robbins, wasn't it?

The girl in RERES HILL was brought down on purpose, so maybe she doesn't count, since she wound up married to the laddie wot done it, but she hadn't much choice in the matter: an unwanted husband, or condemnation from her nearest and dearest and the rest of society too.
For that matter,
How many root beers can one man down
Before he goes off with a bang?
e ;D


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: Rumncoke
Date: 31 Jul 13 - 10:23 AM

no one seems to have mentioned FANLIGHT FANNY the frowsy night club queen, or that dirty robbing no good MAGGIE MAY


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: Joe_F
Date: 31 Jul 13 - 09:39 PM

Elsa Lanchester's Bawdy Cockney Songs record describes a number of ladies who, as the saying goes, know what it's for.

More vulgarly, one might also mention RING DANG DOO.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 01 Aug 13 - 12:16 PM

Three Drunken Nights? (Or four, or five, depending on your version) Not so much fallen as never got off her back...


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE JOLLY MILLER (from D'Urfey)
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 13 - 01:33 PM

THE JOLLY MILLER - Trad. from Thomas D'Urfey's "Songs of Wit and Mirth" (1719)

The old wife she sent to the miller her daughter
to grind her grist quickly and so return back;
The miller so work'd it that in eight months after
her belly was filled as full as her sack.
Young Robin so pleas'd her that when she came home
she gap'd like a stuck pig and star'd like a mome;
She hoyden'd, she scamper'd, she holler'd, she hoop'd.
and all the day long, this, this was her song;
Was ever a maiden so lericompoop'd?

"O Nelly," cried Celie, "thy clothes are all mealy,
both backside and belly are rumpled all o'er.
You mope now and flabber, why, what a pox all you?
I'll go to the miller and know all, ye whore."
She went; and the miller did grinding so ply
she came cutting capers a foot and half high,
She waddled, she straddled, she hollered, she whooped,
and all the day long this, this was her song:
Hoy, were ever two sisters so lericompoop'd?

The Mary o' the dairy, a third of their number
would fain know the cause they so jigged it about
The miller her wishes long would not encumber
but in the old manner the secret found out.
Thus Celie and Nelly and Mary the mild
where just about harvest-time all big with child
They danced in the hay, they hallowed and whooped,
and all the day long this, this was their song:
Hoy, were ever three sisters so lericompoop'd?

And when they were big they did stare at each other
and crying: "O sisters, what shall we now do?
For all our young bantlings we have but one father
and they in one month will all come to town too.
O why did we go in such haste to the mill,
to Robin, who always the toll-dish would fill,
He bump'd up our bellies then hallowed and whooped."
then all the day long this, this was their song:
Hoy, were ever three sisters so lericompoop'd?


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 11:44 AM

Oh, God, ENOUGH! This thread was started 13 years ago. Haven't y'all learned anything about human trafficing in 13 years?

Write a song about this, because this is a truer picture of prostitution today:
    In November, a terrified 13-year-old girl pounded on an apartment door in Brooklyn. When a surprised woman answered, the girl pleaded for a phone. She called her mother, and then dialed 911.

    The girl, whom I'll call Baby Face because of her looks, frantically told police that a violent pimp was selling her for sex. He had taken her to the building and ordered her to go to an apartment where a customer was waiting, she said, and now he was waiting downstairs to make sure she did not escape. She had followed the pimp's directions and gone upstairs, but then had pounded randomly on this door in hopes of getting help.

    Baby Face said she hurt too much to endure yet another rape by a john. She told prosecutors later that she was bleeding vaginally and that her pimp had recently kicked her down a stairwell for trying to flee...

(from the New York Times)


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 04:45 AM

I appreciate your compassion, Leeneia. And yes, many songs, especially traditional songs, make light of prostitution and the suffering it causes. But would it be right for a folk music forum NOT to explore songs about prostitution? Or racism, or murder, or incest, or any number of unseemly topics?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 11:22 AM

I've always thought that the following joke could be expanded in to a song.

A man goes to his local Salvation Army and asks, "Do you save fallen women"
"We certainly do" comes the reply.
"Well,then", says the man, "Save one for me",


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Subject: Lyr Add: A SONG YOU COULD CRY FOR (Freakwater)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 09:11 AM

Ely mentioned this back on 26-Apr-2000:


A SONG YOU COULD CRY FOR
As recorded by Freakwater on "Dancing under Water" (1991)

Desperately seeking more and more confusion,
You sink your nails into the back of an illusion.
The sun in the morning comes as such an intrusion,
Banging at your door,
Glaring down at that whore
You thought you drowned the night before.

There's something you were trying to forget
As you light the wrong end of your cigarette,
And you're laughing at a joke you didn't get,
Clinging to some man that you just met.

Desperately hoping for a love you would die for,
You play one more quarter to hear a song you could cry for,
Till the end of the world is all you've got time for,
To find someone who'll do all right,
And keep your demons out of sight,
As you fumble through the night.

It won't feel so tight when you dance,
And the air is filled with smoke and romance.
When you stumble, it will still give him a chance.
It's your beauty that has put him in this trance.

Desperately seeking more and more confusion,
You sink your nails into the back of an illusion.
The sun in the morning comes as such an intrusion,
Banging at your door,
Glaring down at that whore,
You thought you drowned the night before.

Banging at your door,
Glaring down at that whore,
You thought you drowned the night before.


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Subject: Lyr Add: TOO MANY PARTIES AND TOO MANY PALS
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 02:30 PM

Sinsull mentioned this song back on 15-Apr-2000:


TOO MANY PARTIES AND TOO MANY PALS
As sung by Hank Williams

[SUNG:] Too many parties and too many pals
Will break your heart someday.
Too many boyfriends and sociable sounds
Will drive your sweetheart away.

[SPOKEN:] "Gentlemen of the jury," the judge's speech began—
The scene was a crowded courtroom and the judge a sterned [sic] old man—
"This prisoner here before you is a social enemy,
A lady of the evening, and you know the penalty.
Her eyes reflect the night life; her cheeks they're red with paint;
But I knew her mother, gentlemen; why, her mother was a saint.
Now I know that she's not like her, and yet she might have been,
If it hadn't been for pettin' parties, cigarettes, and gin.
We took the night life off the streets and brought into our own homes,
While girls beat time with lipstick and the shrieks of saxophones.
We opened up the underworld to the ones we loved so well.
So tell me, gentlemen, is it right to send her to a cell?
If she drinks, why, you taught her, and if she smokes, you showed her how.
So, gentlemen, do you think it's right to go and condemn her now?
And when you're in that jury room, just remember there and then,
That for every fallen woman, why, there's a hundred fallen men;
And before you render a verdict on what this girl has done,
Just remember there's a man to blame, and that man might be your son.
Now, gentlemen, that's my story; my testimony stands.
This girl is my own daughter, and the case is in your hands."

[SUNG:] Those Broadway Roses and Frivolous Sals
Had too many parties and too many pals.


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Subject: Lyr Add: NO LONGER A SWEETHEART OF MINE
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 03:13 PM

This was mentioned by Jofield back on 26-Apr-2000:


NO LONGER A SWEETHEART OF MINE*
As sung by Don Reno and Red Smiley (1957)

We are saying goodbye, dear, forever.
I'm leavin' your false love behind.
Ev'ry promise you made has been broken.
You're no longer a sweetheart, I find.

I wanted someone true and faithful,
For that's the way it had to be
You wanted your honky-tonk life, dear.
You're no longer a sweetheart to me.

Go back to the bar down the street, dear,
And stay with your honky-tonk kind.
Go back to the life you've been livin'.
You're no longer a sweetheart of mine.

from a bottle to a ride in the moonlight
in the arms of the first man you see
another victim added to your list, dear
you're no longer a sweetheart to me

I will never pretend to be happy
Until a true love I shall find,
For you lived a lie from the start, dear.
You're no longer a sweetheart of mine.

Go back to the bar down the street, dear,
And stay with your honky-tonk kind.
Go back to the life you've been livin'.
You're no longer a sweetheart of mine.

[* Sometimes recorded as NO LONGER A SWEETHEART or YOU'RE NO LONGER A SWEETHEART OF MINE.]


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Subject: Lyr Add: LOST HIGHWAY (Hank Williams)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 05:13 PM

Ely mentioned this song on 26-Apr-2000, and said it "could apply to a woman just as easily if you switched a few words."


LOST HIGHWAY
As recorded by Hank Williams

I'm a rollin' stone all alone and lost.
For a life of sin I have paid the cost.
When I pass by, all the people say:
"Just another guy on the lost highway."

Just a deck of cards and a jug of wine
And a woman's lies makes a life like mine.
Oh, the day we met, I went astray.
I started rollin' down that lost highway.

I was just a lad, nearly twenty-two,
Neither good nor bad, just a kid like you,
And now I'm lost, too late to pray.
Lord, I paid the cost on the lost highway.

Now, boys, don't start your ramblin' around
On this road of sin are you sorrow bound.
Take my advice or you'll curse the day
You started rollin' down that lost highway.


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Subject: Lyr Add: LOVE FOR SALE (Cole Porter)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 05:51 PM

This was mentioned by Frivolous Sal on 08-Sep-2003:


LOVE FOR SALE
Words and music by Cole Porter, from the musical "The New Yorkers" (1930)
As recorded by Libby Holman (1931—the first recording)

Love for sale!

When the only sound in the empty street
Is the heavy tread of the heavy feet
That belong to a lonesome cop,
I open shop.

When the moon so long has been gazing down
On the wayward ways of this wayward town,
That her smile becomes a smirk,
I go to work.

Love for sale!
Appetizing young love for sale!
Love that's fresh and still unspoiled;
Love that's only slightly soiled;
Love for sale!

Who will buy?
Who would like to sample my supply?
Who'd like to pay the price
For a trip to paradise?
Love for sale!

Let the poets pipe of love
In their childish way.
I know every type of love
Better far than they.
If you want the thrill of love,
I've been through the mill of love:
Old love, new love,
Every love but true love.

Love for sale!
Appetizing young love for sale!
If you want to buy my wares,
Follow me and climb the stairs.
Love for sale!

Love for sale!


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Subject: Lyr Add: PAPA LOVED MAMA (Garth Brooks)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 06:32 PM

Grab mentioned this on 26-Apr-2000:


PAPA LOVED MAMA
Garth Brooks

Papa drove a truck nearly all his life.
You know it drove Mama crazy bein' a trucker's wife.
The part she couldn't handle was the bein' alone.
I guess she needed more to hold than just a telephone.

Papa called Mama each and every night
Just to ask her how she was and if us kids were all right.
Mama would wait for that call to come in,
And when Daddy'd hang up, she was gone again.

Mama was a looker; Lord, how she shined!
Papa was a good 'un but the jealous kind.
Papa loved Mama; Mama loved men.
Mama's in the graveyard; Papa's in the pen.

Well, it was bound to happen; one night it did.
Papa came home and it was just us kids.
He had a dozen roses and a bottle o' wine.
If he was lookin' to surprise us, he was doin' fine.

I heard him cry for Mama up and down the hall,
Then I heard a bottle break against the bedroom wall.
That old diesel engine made an eerie sound
When Papa fired it up and headed into town.

Oh, the picture in the paper showed the scene real well:
Papa's rig was buried in the local motel.
The desk clerk said he saw it all real clear.
He never hit the brakes and he was shiftin' gears.

Mama was a looker; Lord, how she shined!
Papa was a good 'un but the jealous kind.
Papa loved Mama; Mama loved men.
Mama's in the graveyard; Papa's in the pen.


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Subject: Lyr Add: PENICILLIN PENNY (Shel Silverstein)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 07:40 PM

"John Gray / Australia" mentioned this song on 26-Apr-2000:


PENICILLIN PENNY
Words and music by Shel Silverstein
As recorded by Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show on "Belly Up!" (1973)

Penicillin Penny, she's the queen of the Sunset Strip.
If she ever give you any, then you better see your doctor real quick.
From the back seat of Cadillac cars,
To the floor of men's-room bars,
She's Penicillin Penny and her future's written in the stars.

She's Penicillin Penny, and ever since the day she came,
They say she's had so many, she gives them all numbers, not names.
I always called her "Hon,"
But she calls me "One-Thousand-and-One,"
And Penicillin Penny starts to boogie when the day is done.

She's Penicillin Penny; if you ever see her passin' through,
Better run into your house 'fore she stops and lays a little on you.
If you ever let her in your door,
It takes twenty million units or more
To cure the love that Penicillin Penny's gonna lay on you.


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Subject: Lyr Add: ROBERTA (Billy Joel)
From: GUEST,MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 08:36 PM

ROBERTA
(Billy Joel)

Roberta, you say you know me
But I see only what you're paid to show me
Oh, I wish you had the time
Oh, I wish you had the time

Oh, Roberta, I understand you
I know you need to move in other circles too;
It's tough for me, it's tough for you

Roberta, how I've adored you
I'd ask you over but I can't afford you
Oh, I wish you'd take the time
Oh, I wish you'd take the time

Oh, Roberta, the night goes slowly
I know you're workin' but you must get lonely too;
It's tough for me, ah, it's tough for you

And I'm in a bad way and wanna make love to you, ooh, ooh

Oh, I wish you had the time
Oh, I wish you had the time
Oh, Roberta, I really need you
But I suppose that my small change won't see you through;
It's tough for me, ah, it's tough for you

From 'Streetlife Serenade'(1974)
source: http://www.metrolyrics.com/roberta-lyrics-billy-joel.html


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Subject: Lyr Add: PRODIGAL SON (COTTON-EYED JOE) (MShocked)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Aug 13 - 10:32 PM

Les from Hull mentioned this song on 21-Dec-2000.

I found these lyrics at AllMusic.com. (Who knew they had lyrics? I wonder if we can trust them to be reliable?) I haven't heard a complete recording, so I haven't checked them.


PRODIGAL SON (COTTON-EYED JOE)
Michelle Shocked

What's to be done with a prodigal son?
Welcome him home with open arms
Throw a big party, invite your friends
Our boy's come back home

When a girl goes home with the oats he's sown
It's draw your shades and your shutters
She's bringing such shame to the family name
The return of the prodigal daughter
Singing, oh Cotton Eyed Joe

Went to see a doctor and I almost died
When I told my mama, Lordy, how she cried
Me and my daddy were never too close
But he was there when I needed him most

Look, here comes a prodigal son
Fetch him a tall drink of water
But there's none in the cup 'cause he drank it all up
Left for a prodigal daughter
Singing, oh Cotton Eyed Joe

Oh, Cotton Eyed Joe, oh, Cotton Eyed Joe
Had not have been for the Cotton Eyed Joe
I'd have been married a long time ago
Oh, I'd have been married a long time ago

Out in the cornfield
I stubbed my toe
I called for the doctor, Cotton Eyed Joe
I called for the doctor, Cotton Eyed Joe

Look, here comes a prodigal son
Fetch him a tall drink of water
But there's none in the cup 'cause he drank it all up
Left for a prodigal daughter

Singing, oh Cotton Eyed Joe
Singing, oh Cotton Eyed Joe
Singing, oh Cotton Eyed Joe


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Subject: Lyr Add: RAISED ON ROBBERY (Joni Mitchell)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 02:00 AM

This song was mentioned by GUEST,JAZE on 19-Dec-2000:


RAISED ON ROBBERY
As recorded by Joni Mitchell on "Court and Spark" (1974)

He was sitting in the lounge of the Empire Hotel
He was drinking for diversion; he was thinking for himself,
A little money riding on the Maple Leafs.
Along comes a lady in lacy sleeves.

She says: "Let me sit down; you know, drinkin' alone's a shame. (It's a shame; it's a crying shame.)
Look at those jokers glued to that damn hockey game.
Hey, honey, you've got lots of cash.
Bring us round a bottle and we'll have some laughs.
Gin's what I'm drinking; I was raised on robbery.

"I'm a pretty good cook; I'm sitting on my groceries.
Come up to my kitchen; I'll show you my best recipe.
I try and I try but I can't save a cent.
I'm up after midnight cooking, trying to make my rent.
I'm rough but I'm pleasin'; I was raised on robbery.

"We had a little money once; they were pushing through a four lane highway.
Government gave us three thousand dollars; you should have seen it fly away.
First he bought a '57 Biscayne; he put it in the ditch.
He drunk up all the rest, that son of a bitch.
His blood's bad whiskey; I was raised on robbery.

"You know you ain't bad looking; I like the way you hold your drinks.
Come home with me, honey; I ain't asking for no full-length mink.
Hey, where you going? Don't go yet.
Your glass ain't empty and we just met.
You're mean when you're loaded; I was raised on robbery."


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Subject: Lyr Add: RITA BALLOU (Guy Clark)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 10:31 AM

Mentioned by SDShad on 26-Apr-2000:


RITA BALLOU
As recorded by Guy Clark on "The South Coast of Texas"

She could dance that slow bandera,*
Shuffle to some cowboy hustle.
How she made them trophy buckles shine, shine, shine!
Wild-eyed and Mexican silvered,
Trickin' dumb old cousin Willard
Into thinkin' that he got her this time.

CHORUS: Hill-country honky-tonkin' Rita Ballou,
Ever' beer joint in town has played a fool for you.
Backslidin' barrel-ridin' Rita Ballou,
Ain't a cowboy in Texas would not ride a bull for you.

She's a rawhide-rope-and-velvet mixture,
Walkin', talkin', Texas-texture,
High-timin', barroom-fixture kind of a girl.
She's the queen of the cowboys.
Look at old Willard grinnin' now, boys.
You'd 'a' thought there's less fools in this world. CHORUS

So good luck, Willard, and here's to ya,
And here's to Rita, and I hope she'll do ya
Right all night.
Lord, I wish I was the fool in your shoes. CHORUS TWICE


[* I don't know what a bandera is, but I suspect it comes from Bandera, Texas.]


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Subject: Lyr Add: SISTER'S COMIN' HOME (Willie Nelson)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 11:14 AM

Mentioned by Pixie back on 26-Dec-2000:


SISTER'S COMIN' HOME/DOWN AT THE CORNER BEER JOINT
As sung by Willie Nelson on "Phases and Stages" (2005)

Sister's comin' home.
Mama's gon' let her sleep the whole day long,
Oh, Lord, the whole day long.
My sister's comin' home.
Mama gon' let her sleep the whole day long.

My sister's comin' home.
Mama don't like the man that done her wrong.
Lord, he done her wrong.
My sister's comin' home.
Mama don't like the man that done her wrong.

Sister's comin' home.
Mama's gon' let her sleep the whole day long,
Oh, Lord, the whole day long.
My sister's comin' home.
Mama gon' let her sleep the whole day long.
The mirror's gonna tell her just how long she's been gone.

Down at the corner beer joint, dancin' to the rock and roll,
Sister likes to do it, Lord; sister likes to move her soul.
Down at the corner beer joint, dancin' on a hardwood floor,
Her jeans fit a little bit tighter than they did before.

Than they did before, than they did before,
Lord, her jeans fit a little bit tighter than they did before.
Than they did before, than they did before,
Lord, her jeans fit a little bit tighter than they did before.

Down at the corner beer joint, dancin' to the rock and roll,
Sister likes to do it, Lord; sister likes to move her soul.
Down at the corner beer joint, dancin' on a hardwood floor,
Well, her jeans fit her little bit tighter than they did before,

Than they did before, than they did before,
Her jeans fit a little bit tighter than they did before.
She likes to move her soul, likes to move her soul,
Sister likes to do it, Lord; sister likes to move her soul.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WAS I? (Charlie Farrell & Chick Endor)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 01:41 PM

This song was mentioned by Bat Goddess on 26-Apr-2000 (who may not have known how old the song was):


WAS I?
Written by Charlie Farrell & Chick Endor, ©1931.
As recorded by Elliott Everett and his Orchestra, with vocalist Peggy Hill (1932)

A sweet young thing of sixteen thought that she'd step out one night,
Alone to get the thrills in life she'd missed.
She met a youth, a bit uncouth; although he seemed all right,
She'd known him but a moment when they kissed.
When she got home next day with swollen head,
And a girlfriend asked, "Did you have fun?" she said:

Was I drunk? Was he handsome? And did my ma give me hell?
Did I get a thrill? And am I still aquiver?
Was he rough? And did I care? Am I glad now that I fell?
Every time I think about him, do I shiver?
Was he hot? And was I?
And would he stand for maybe?
He would not! Did I lie?
Does he still think I'm a baby?
If I was, am I still?
Do I care? Don't be sill'!
Was I drunk? Was he handsome? And did my ma give me hell?

Was I drunk? Was he handsome? And did my ma give me hell?
Were his hands loose as no use refusing?
Did he fight? Do I bruise? I'm almost shamed to tell!
I don't know yet the system he was usin'.
I said, "Stop! Please behave!
What's the use of raving?"
He said, "Give," so I gave.
After all, what was I saving?
Am I glad? Holy gee!
Have I had, you're askin' me?
Was I drunk? Was he handsome? And did my ma give me hell?


Later recordings were by Georgia White (under the title WAS I DRUNK? In 1936), and by Madeleine Peyroux on "Dreamland" (1996).

Changes in these versions:
1. The entire first verse is changed to a first-person narrative by changing pronouns.
2. "My ma" is changed to "Mama" throughout.
3. "Do I bruise?" is changed to "Was I blue?" probably to make the story seem less like a description of a date rape!


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Subject: Lyr Add: THERE'LL COME A TIME (Charles K. Harris)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Aug 13 - 11:41 PM

This song was mentioned by Bob Clayton on 20-Dec-2000.

You can see the sheet music at Indiana University.


THERE'LL COME A TIME
Words and music by Charles K. Harris, ©1895.

1. "Why are you sad, Papa, my darling?
Why are those tears falling today?
Why do you look at me so strangely?
Have I done wrong? Tell me, I pray."
"No, no, my child; you are an angel.
There's not a heart purer than thine.
Yet I've a fear, someday you'll leave me.
Just as your mother did; there'll come a time."

CHORUS: "There'll come a time, some day,
When I have passed away.
There'll be no father to guide you from day to day.
Think well of all I've said.
Honor the man you wed.
Always remember my story: there'll come a time."

2. "Let me know all, Papa, my darling.
Tell me I pray, of Mother dear.
Where has she gone? Why did she leave us?
Why is her name never heard here?
I never felt her arms about me,
Nor her sweet lips prest close to mine.
I'd give my life, only to see her.
Tell me, dear Papa, will there come a time?"

3. "Some years ago—well I remember—
Your mother, child, left home one night.
She fled, alas, fled with another—
'Tis the old tale—vanished from sight.
'Twas but a year; back to the old home
She came to die, yes, baby mine.
That's why I fear, some day you'll leave me,
Just as your mother did; there'll come a time.


[Recorded by Charlie Poole's North Carolina Ramblers (1926), The Blue Sky Boys (1936), Grandpa Jones, Jim Eanes, Jolly Boys of Lafayette, Monica Grabin, Don Reno & Red Smiley.

[There are other songs with the same title.]


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: Andrez
Date: 12 Aug 13 - 08:56 AM

Sorry Joe, but I'm with Leenia on this one. That story she quoted from the NY Times should be an instant reality check for anyone reading this thread.

Sadly I dont think we can say that this thread let alone others actually explore what prostitution or racism, or murder, or incest are really about especially as these refer to the lived experience of women across cultures, countries and time.

I'd like to see a thread that focuses on songs that highlights the strengths and bravery of women in the face of repression and oppression or one that list the songs that show the men carrying out all this crap for the pathetic examples of humanity that they are.

I'll bet there are bugger all of the latter, why am I not surprised

Cheers,

Andrez
(Former child protection worker, 14 years)

PS: That poor. poor child, I hope something positive has happened in her life since she managed to escape and where the f*** where her parents/family?


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Subject: Lyr Add: DEVIL WOMAN (Marty Robbins)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 12 Aug 13 - 11:08 AM

This one is a sort of pseudo-calypso.

Mentioned by Crazy Eddie on 26-Dec-2000 and again by eldergirl on 31-Jul-2013:


DEVIL WOMAN
Marty Robbins

1. I told Mary about us; I told her about our great sin.
Mary cried and forgave me and Mary took me back again,
Said if I wanted my freedom, I could be free evermore,
But I don't want to be, and I don't want to see Mary cry anymore.

CHORUS: Oh, devil woman, devil woman, let go of me.
Devil woman, let me be,
And leave me alone.
I want to go home.

2. Mary is waitin' and weepin' down in our shack by the sea.
Even after I've hurt her, Mary's still in love with me.
Devil woman, it's over, trapped no more by your charms,
'Cause I don't want to stay; I want to get away; woman, let go of my arm. CHORUS

3. Devil woman, you're evil, like the dark coral reef.
Like the winds that bring high tides, you bring sorrow and grief.
You made me ashamed to face Mary, barely had the strength to tell.
Skies are not so black; Mary took me back; Mary has broken your spell. CHORUS

4. Runnin' along by the seashore, runnin' as fast as I can,
Even the seagulls are happy, glad I'm comin' home again.
Never again will I ever cause another tear to fall.
Down the beach I see what belongs to me, the one I want most of all.

LAST CHORUS: Oh, devil woman, devil woman, don't follow me.
Devil woman, let me be,
And leave me alone.
I'm going back home.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 03:43 AM

Hazel Dickens: 'Don't put her down; you helped put her there..."


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Subject: Lyr Add: DON'T PUT HER DOWN YOU HELPED PUT HER...
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 11:54 AM

Ebbie: thanks for suggesting this.


DON'T PUT HER DOWN; YOU HELPED PUT HER THERE.
As sung by Hazel Dickens and Alice Gerrard on the various-artists collection "The Rounder Records Story" (2010)

1. You pull the string.
She's your plaything.
You can make her or break her; it's true.
You abuse her, accuse her,
Turn around and use her,
Then forsake her any time it suits you.

CHORUS: Well, there's more to her than powder and paint,
Than her p'roxided bleached-out hair.
Well, if she acts that way,
It's 'cause you've had your day.
Don't put her down; you helped put her there.

2. She hangs around
Playin' the clown
While her soul is aching inside.
She's heartbreak's child
'Cause she just lives for your smile
To build her up in a world made by men. CHORUS

3. At the house down the way,
You sneak and you pay
For her love, her body, or her shame,
Then you call yourself a man.
You say you just don't understand
How a woman could turn out that way.

LAST CHORUS: Well, there's more to her than powder and paint,
Than the men she picks up at the bar.*
Well, if she acts that way,
It's 'cause you've had your day.
Don't put her down; you helped put her there.*

Well, if she acts that way,
It's 'cause you've had your day.
Don't put her down; you helped put her there.


[* In Hazel Dickens' accent, "bar", and "there" are approximate rhymes.]


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Subject: Lyr Add: TIJUANA (Jim Ringer)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 12:55 PM

Jofield mentioned this song on 26-Apr-2000.

This is my transcription from a recording at YouTube. Although the "video" shows the cover of the album "The Best of Jim Ringer: The Band of Jesse James," the track list at AllMusic.com doesn't include this song.

The song has an unusual pattern of internal rhymes. To clarify the structure, I have place all the rhyming words at the ends of lines, although this leaves some leftover short lines that don't rhyme anything. So be it.


TIJUANA
Jim Ringer

L.A.'s such a big town,
I thought I might go down
To Tijuana.
L.A. would never miss me while I'm gone.
I heard a mariachi band.
Tequila helped me understand
Their music,
And a dark-eyed senorita asked me home.

I asked her where she come from.
She told me she was born
In Cincinnati,
But her mama had been Mexican by birth.
She got led off by someone's lies,
But TJ'd opened up her eyes
Completely,
And now she realized what home was worth.

She said she'd been a flower child,
Grown weary from the many miles
She'd traveled since she left her dad and mama.
She never did intend to stay,
But found it hard to get away.
Well, that happens ev'ry day in Tijuana.

I woke up the next day,
Thinkin' I might stay
In Tijuana.
There was no one waitin' for me in L.A.
I felt her body start to stir.
I woke her up by kissin' her
And told her
It was time for us to meet another day.

She said she had some bills to pay,
And maybe I could see my way
To help her.
Everything she owed was comin' due today.
I told that I guessed I could,
And that I really understood
Her problem,
So I gave her twenty, then went on my way.

And now L.A. seems a smaller town,
And I get tired o' hangin' round
The beaches and the bars and Cinerama.
I wonder if I could 'a' stayed.
Well, wond'rin's no good, 'n' anyway,
That happens ev'ry day in Tijuana.

- - -
The story reminds me of a scene in, IIRC, Rabbit Run by John Updike, which I read a long time ago: a woman who didn't seem to be a prostitute asks the narrator for money after sex, in a manner that allows them both to save face. I wonder if this is a common occurrence--or did Ringer read the same novel?


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Subject: Lyr Add: VENOM WEARIN' DENIM (Junior Brown)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 01:31 PM

GUEST,Frankie and Mbo both mentioned this song back on 25-Apr-2000:


VENOM WEARIN' DENIM
As sung by Junior Brown on "Greatest Hits"

CHORUS: She's just venom wearin' denim; she's a viper dressed in blue.
Tight fittin' jeans are all she needs to put the bite on you.
She's pretty but she's poison, like a copper-headed queen.
She's just venom wearin' denim; she's a nightmare, not a dream.

1. She slithers when she walks and there's no tellin' where she's been.
She'll coil up beside you tryin' to shed her denim skin.
Once she strikes, a deadly bite, and there's no antidote,
She's just venom wearin' denim, boys; she'll go right for your throat.

2. She'll start hissin' when she's kissin', sayin' you're the only one.
She'll tell you lies with beady eyes on a big long forkéd tongue.
If you give that gal a diamond ring, you'll get a diamondback.
She's just venom wearin' denim, boys; she's always makin' tracks.


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Subject: Lyr Add: YOU MAKE LOVE TO EVERYONE (Webb Pierce)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:09 PM

Ebbie mentioned this song back on 19-Dec-2000:


YOU MAKE LOVE TO EVERYONE.
As sung by Webb Pierce on "Walking the Streets"

You make love to everyone.
That's what you've always done.
You've always had your fun,
While I sit here and yearn.

Will it always be this way?
Must I always be your slave?
Or will you change someday,
And make love to only one?

Many times I said that we're through.
Then you're gone; I'm lonely for you,
So I'd rather have you make me blue
Than take a chance with someone new.

Even though you're seldom mine,
I'm happy part of the time.
I'll pretend that I don't mind
While you make love to everyone.


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Subject: RE: How many fallen women does it take? (songs)
From: GUEST,eldergirl
Date: 14 Aug 13 - 08:26 AM

There's a song with a great tune, and last verse (I think) is;

Now all you young men who go courting
Do leave all those flash girls alone
For they'll go off and leave you,
Cruelly deceive you
Leave you with a baby that's none of your own.

Can't remember title or other verses.


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