Origins: Sally Goodin / Gooden

Subject: RE: Origins: Sally Goodin / Gooden
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Aug 18 - 07:44 PM

From the same paper in 1963:

"Amos Foley came to Texas [around 1870] and settled in Leon County. He taught his sons, Tom, F.C., and Curtis to play the old Irish tunes before they took up the blueback speller or McGuffey's Reader.

"In time, the sons began to adapt the fiddle music to their own environment. Curtis, for instance, was captivated by a Leon County girl named Sally Goodman. Suddenly he was inspired to play on his fiddle a fast-moving tune which he called 'Sally Goodin' to favor the girl who had charmed him.

"The tune remains today in the repertoire of any good court-house square fiddler."

Subject: RE: Origins: Sally Goodin / Gooden
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Aug 18 - 05:51 PM

In the Dallas Morning News of Aug. 8, 1927, fiddler/journalist J. B. Cranfill wrote:

"'Sallie Gooden' is another of the old-time melodies and all of us know it by that name. There is a very interesting tradition concerning this tune.

                                     "How 'Sallie' Was Named

"About a century ago in Tennessee there was a beautiful maiden named Sallie Gooden. She had two lovers, both of whom were fiddlers. Like many of the gentler sex, she found it difficult to decide which of these lovers she loved best, In her confusion she said she would accept the one who could play the most acceptable tune. When the test was made, she accepted one of them, who played with such intimate skill that he seemed inspired. Ever after that, this tune was called 'Sallie Gooden,' and it is now on a phonograph record by that name, after [a] rendition by Eck Robertson."

Subject: ADD: Sally Goodin' (Woody Guthrie version)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 02:34 PM

SALLY GOODIN'
(Words and Music by Woody Guthrie)

Looked down the road, seen my Sally comin'
Thought to my soul I'd kill myself a runnin'.

Goin' down the road and the road's mighty muddy
I'm so drunk that I can't stand steady.

Watermelon, cantaloupe, peach tree puddin'
Ain't half as sweet as my little Sally Goodin.

Stove lid's on, flap jacks a cookin'
Stack 'em up high for my pretty Sally Goodin'.

Kiss you all day and hug you all night
Me and my Sally gonna make it all right.

Tell you stories and sing you songs
Marry me Sally and you can't go wrong.

Possum up a gum stump, dog on the ground,
Pull my trigger and a possum comes down.

Bring you sody and bring you candy
Oh, my little Sally, won't that be dandy?

As we was watchin' the winding key
Sally got stung by a goggle eyed bee.

It's every time you hold my hand
I walk over to the promised land.

Sally come a kissin' me on my cheek
I jumped over the Buckeye Creek.

What you gonna do when the wind starts a blowin'?
Run straight home with my petticoat a showin'.

What you gonna do when the snow starts a flying?
Run home to mama just a squawling and crying.

I'm not a lyin' an' I'm not a kiddin'
Crazy 'bout th' gal what you call Sally Goodin.

It's the truth, I'll tell you well,
If I can't have Sally, I'm bound for hell.

Sally Goodin, Sally Goodin. Sally Goodin. Sally Goodin.
Sally Goodin. Sally Goodin. Sally Goody, Goody, Goodin.



© Copyright 2004 (renewed) by Woody Guthrie Publications, Inc.

Source: http://woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/Sally_Goodin.htm

Woody Guthrie recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGsWgoo37VE

Subject: RE: Origins: Sally Goodin / Gooden
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 11:05 AM

I think "dooxy" is likely to be a typo for "doozy."

See any typewriter keyboard.

Subject: RE: Origins: Sally Gooden
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 02:29 AM

Here is the Traditional Ballad Index entry for this song:

Sally Goodin

DESCRIPTION: "Had a piece of pie an' I had a piece of puddin', An' I gave it all away just to see my Sally Goodin." About how much the singer loves Sally, how he courts her -- with perhaps a few sundry comments about food and liquor along the way
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1922 (recording, Eck Robertson)
KEYWORDS: love courting nonballad floatingverses dancetune
FOUND IN: US(Ap,SE,So)
REFERENCES (12 citations):
Lomax-FSNA 121, "Sally Goodin" (1 text, 1 tune)
Randolph 544, "Sally Goodin" (1 text plus a fragment, 1 tune)
Randolph/Cohen, pp. 403-404, "Sally Goodin" (1 text, 1 tune -- Randolph's 544A)
BrownIII 89, "Sally Goodin" (5 fragments, though "D" and "E" might be other songs)
BrownSchinhanV 89, "Sally Goodin" (3 tunes plus text excerpts)
Fuson, p. 158, "Sallie Goodin" (seventh of 12 single-stanza jigs) (1 short text)
Cambiaire, p. 56, "Sally Gooden" (1 text)
Rosenbaum, p. 210, "Sally Goodin" (1 short text, 1 tune)
JonesLunsfor, p. 245, "Sally Goodin" (1 tune)
Darling-NAS, p. 255, "Sally Goodin" (1 text)
Silber-FSWB, p. 33, "Sally Goodin" (1 text)
DT, SALGOODN
Roud #739
RECORDINGS:
Clifford Gross & Muryel Campbell, "Sally Gooden" (Vocalion 03650, 1937)
Fiddlin' John Carson, "Sallie Goodman" (OKeh 40095-A, 1924)
James Crase, "Sally Goodin" (on MMOKCD)
[G. B.] Grayson & [Henry] Whitter, "Sally Gooden" (Gennett 6733/Champion 15501 [as by Norman Gayle], 1928)
Vester Jones, "Sally Goodin" (on GraysonCarroll1)
Kessinger Brothers, "Sally Goodin" (Brunswick 308, c. 1929)
Neil Morris & Charlie Everidge, "Sally Goodin" [instrumental w. dance calls] (on LomaxCD1707)
John D. Mounce et al, "Sally Gooden" (on MusOzarks01)
New Lost City Ramblers, "Sally Goodin" (on NLCR02) (NLCR16)
Pickard Family, "Sally Goodin" (Regal 8810, 1929; probably the same as Dad Pickard's recording, Banner 6434, 1929)
Fiddlin' Powers and Family, "Sally Goodin" (Victor, unissued, 1924)
Riley Puckett, "Sally Goodwin" (Columbia 15102-D, 1926)
Eck Robertson, "Sally Goodin" (Victor 18956, 1922)
Ernest V. Stoneman "Sally Goodwin" (Edison, unissued, 1927) (Edison 52350, 1928) (CYL: Edison [BA] 5529, 1928) (Edison 0000 [development disk], 1928)
Uncle "Am" Stuart, "Sally Gooden" (Vocalion 14841, 1924)
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "Cripple Creek (I)" (floating lyrics)
NOTES: Another piece that endures mostly as a fiddle tune. Given the lyrics, it's not hard to see why. - RBW
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Here are the lyrics we have in the Digital Tradition:

SALLY GOODIN (SALLY GOODUN ETC.)

Had a piece of pie an' I had a piece of puddin',
An' I give it all away just to see my Sally Goodin.
Had a piece of pie an' I had a piece of puddin',
An' I give it all away just to see my Sally Goodin.
Well, I looked down the road an' I see my Sally comin',
An' I thought to my soul that I'd kill myself a-runnin'.
Well, I looked down tlle road an' I see my Sally comin',
An' I thought to my soul that I'd kill myself a-runnin'.

Love a 'tater pie an' I love an apple puddin ,
An' I love a little gal that they call Sally Goodin. (repeat 2 lines)
An' I dropped the 'tater pie an' I left the appie puddin',
But I went across the mountain to see my Sally Goodin. (repeat 2 lines)

Sally is my dooxy an' Sally is my daisy,
Wl@en Sally says she hates me I think I'm goin crazy. (repeat 2 lines)
Little dog'll bark an' the big dog'll bite you,
Little gal'Il court you an' big gal'll fight you. (repeat 2 lines)

Rainin' an' a-pourin' an' the creek's runnin' muddy,
An' I'm so dam' drunk I can't stand steady, (repeat 2 lines)
I'm goin up the mountain an' marry little Sally,
Raise corn on the hillside an' the devil in the valley. (repeat 2 lines)

@love @banjo @fiddle
filename[ SALGOODN
RG

Instrumental performance by Bill Monroe and Doc Watson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEZPA1p7tOk

I couldn't find any vocal versions of this song on YouTube.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sally Gooden
From: GUEST,larepole, guest
Date: 03 Jul 17 - 02:14 PM

See "Going Down the River" for a song with the nearly same melody as Sally Goodin'
Lare

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sally Gooden
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 03:34 PM

'Strawberry pie, gooseberry pudding,
I'd give it all away to see my Sally Gooden'
an addition from the superb Woody & Cisco recording.
Doc John

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sally Gooden
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 02:22 PM

I have heard 'doxy' used as a slang word for 'sweetheart', years ago in college, by students with a perverted sense of humor, but doubt its currency anywhere now.
I have an 1850s reference from an American minister who used the word in the sense of harlot.
The American "Webster's Collegiate Dictionary" only has the meaning of floozie or prostitute.

The word has become largely obsolete except in literary-historical usage.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sally Gooden
From: Richie
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 01:42 PM

Thanks Q,

How is the word used in the Appalachian region? Or in the US circa 1920?

Richie

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sally Gooden
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 01:35 PM

Doxy- Grose, in his Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue (1811) defined doxies as "she beggars, wenches, whores."

In 1561, Awdelay wrote "His woman with him..which he calleth his Altham, if she be hys wyfe, & if she be his harlot, she is called hys doxy."

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sally Gooden
From: Richie
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 01:22 PM

Hi,

I've been doing paintings based on traditional songs. Here's a link to my painting of Sally Goodin:

http://richardmattesonsblog.blogspot.com/

My lyrics have: Sally is a "doxy." What is a doxy and where did the word originate?

Richie

Subject: ADD Version: Sally Goodin'
From: Stewie
Date: 10 May 00 - 06:43 PM

I posted a set that are sung by Steve Young - with the title spelt 'Sally Goodin':

Click Here

--Stewie.

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Thread #15894   Message #145717
Posted By: Stewie
06-Dec-99 - 07:39 PM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: old fiddle tunes
Subject: Lyr Add: SALLY GOODIN'^^^

Unfortunately, I don't know of any sources for lyrics of old fiddle tunes, but here is a set of words for 'Sally Goodin'' - the version Steve Young sings:

SALLY GOODIN'

Yeah, I had a piece of pie
And I had a piece of puddin'
Lord, I gave it all away
Just to see Sally Goodin'

Well, I looked down the road
And I seen Sally comin'
Lord, I thought to my soul
I'll kill myself a-runnin'

Yes, Sally she's my doosey
And Sally is my daisy
And when she throws her arms around me
She nearly drives me crazy

Well I love potato pie
And I love potato puddin'
And I love the little girl
That's a-called Sally Goodin'

The rain is pouring down
And the creeks are runnin' muddy
And I'm so damn drunk
I can't stand steady

Well I'm going on the mountain
Gonna marry little Sally
There's calm on the hillside
And hell in the valley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnAX78ePkzw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sally Gooden
From: Bert
Date: 10 May 00 - 11:05 AM

And then there's the square dance...

Swing Sally Gooden,
and now your Taw,
and now the girl from Arkinsaw
across the hall go swing Grandmaw....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sally Gooden
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 May 00 - 03:13 AM

And it is there, of course, under Sally Goodun........slighty different than mine, but not much.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sally Gooden
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 May 00 - 03:02 AM

Try these"

(after yours), I looked down the road an' I seen my Sally comin'
An I thought in my soul that I'd kill myslef a runnin"

Love a tater pie an I love an apple puddin
An I love a little gal that they call Sally Goodin
An I dropped the tater pie and I left the apple pudding,
But I went across the mountain to see my Sally Gooodin.

Sally is my doozy and Sally is my daisy,
When Sally says she hates me I think I'm goin crazy;
Little dog'll bark, and the big dog'll bite you,
Little gal'll co'te you and big gal'll fight you.

Rainin an a pourin and the creek's runnin muddy,
An I'm so drunk, Lord, I cand stand studdy,
I;m goin up the mountain an marry little Sally,
Raise corn on the hillside and the devil in the valley.

An I shoulda checked the DT first, but I din't.Checked this twice, and the "typos" are not typos, just dialect........

Subject: Sally Gooden
From: GUEST,sdowler
Date: 10 May 00 - 02:17 AM

The only lyrics to Sally Gooden I can find are in Richard Lieberson's "Old Time Fiddle Tunes for Guitar", just the one line:

'Had a piece of pie, had a piece of puddin, Give it all away for to see Sally Gooden'

Does anyone know any verses to this tune?