Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: The Walrus Date: 10 Jul 02 - 07:47 PM Charley,
In the "Come all you seamen bold" version, I believe there is a verse which begins Walrus |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Charley Noble Date: 10 Jul 02 - 11:14 AM Hey, I could swear I heard a version where one captain stuck with Admiral Benbow in the battle while the others dropped astern. |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Joe_F Date: 09 Jul 02 - 08:05 PM George Orwell, in his newspaper column 29 December 1944, says: "The English common people are not great lovers of military glory, and I have pointed out elsewhere that when a battle poem wins really wide popularity, it usually deals with a disaster and not a victory. But the other day...there came into my head the once popular song...`Admiral Benbow'. This rather jingoistic ballad seems to contradict my theory, but I believe it may have owed some of its popularity to the fact that it had a class-war angle which was understood at the time. "Admiral Benbow, when going into action against the French, was suddenly deserted by his subordinate captains and left to fight against heavy odds. [Stanza `Said Kirby unto Wade...' quoted] So Benbow was left to fight single-handed and, though victorious, he himself was killed. There is a gory but possibly authentic description of his death: [Two stanzas quoted] "The point is that Benbow was an ordinary seaman who had risen from the ranks. He had started off as a cabin boy. And his captains are supposed to have fled from the action because they did not want to see so plebeian a commander win a victory. I wonder whether it was this tradition that made Benbow into a popular hero and caused his name to be commemorated not only in the ballad but on the signs of innumerable public houses?" |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Herga Kitty Date: 09 Jul 02 - 06:38 PM Joe Basically, it's the "We sailed from Virginia and thence to Fayall" version posted by LaMarca 5 years ago, and just requested on this thread by guest, Gin. Most of the people I know who sang this version got it from Swan Arcade, one of whose members, Jim Boyes is now singing with Coope, Boyes and Simpson. Kitty |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Jul 02 - 06:22 PM Herga Kitty, what's the Swan Arcade version? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: GUEST,greg stephens Date: 09 Jul 02 - 06:21 PM anybody remember the Ned Sherrin BBC tV play about Benbow? Bet they wiped the tapes. At a guess would have been early 60's. Can anybody add any info? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Admiral Benbow From: Herga Kitty Date: 09 Jul 02 - 06:00 PM Interesting that nobody on the previous thread mentioned the Swan Arcade version.... |
Subject: Admiral Benbow From: GUEST,Gin Date: 09 Jul 02 - 05:49 PM Words sought to a version of the story of Admiral Benbow- NOT "Come all ye seamen bold" version but one which commences roughly "Well we sailed to Virginia and thence to Fayall Where we hoisted our tops'ls and then we weighed all" ...and with a very different tune Messages from multiple threads combined. Requested lyrics are above. |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: GUEST,Lea in Virginia Date: 11 Apr 01 - 01:13 PM Regarding the verse that refers to the mutiny, here's another way to start: 'Twas there Captain Kirkby proved a coward at last And with Wade played at bo-peep behind the main-mast This variation names the other captain--Cooper Wade--who was executed after the engagement with Du Casse. Kirkby and Wade were court-marshalled in Jamaica, hauled back to England, and shot. Best, Lea |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 06 Apr 01 - 08:21 AM Benbow captured the popular imagination of the day, in part because he was that unusual thing, a naval commander risen from the ranks. I believe that he started out as a butcher's boy. He also had his share of brushes with authority; in the 1680s he was court-martialed for something or other, and transferred to the Merchant service for a few years, re-joining the navy in 1689. The inn in Treasure Island was named after him.
There is a broadside copy of this song at the Bodleian Library:
Admiral Benbow Printed between 1820 and 1824 for W. Armstrong, Banastre Street, Liverpool. |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Michael in Swansea Date: 06 Apr 01 - 04:20 AM Verse 2 last line
We saw they were French men of war cruising by
Third and fourth verses:
We took our leave of them and made quick dispatch
They hoisted their pennants and their colours they spread Mike |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 06 Apr 01 - 12:17 AM bigj, 'the subject of this ballad' being "Benbow the brother tar", which is not the one under discussion in this thread. Chappell's tune (for the other song) is from "The Vocal Enchantress", 1783. |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Mr Red Date: 05 Apr 01 - 09:04 PM We sailed TO Virginia... minor variation from the Oxford book of folksongs c1930 part II just call me a pedant and not a very thourough one at that. |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Snuffy Date: 05 Apr 01 - 07:38 PM I've usually heard peep-bo rather than bo-peep |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Margo Date: 05 Apr 01 - 05:46 PM Regarding that "he would not suffer himself to be removed from the quarter-deck": Yes, in the other version of Benbow, he says "let a bed be fetched in haste, on the quarter-deck be placed, that the enemy I might face 'till I die, 'till I die!" I want that kind of guy on my side! Margo |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: GUEST,bigJ Date: 05 Apr 01 - 04:42 PM Don't know if this adds much :- From "Popular Music of the Olden Time" - William Chappell Vol 2, p641. The subject of this ballad is mentioned in Evelyn's Diary, under the date of January, 1702-03. "News of Vice-Admiral Benbow's conflict with the French fleet in the West Indies, in which he gallantly behaved himself, and was wounded, and would have had extraordinary success, had not four of his men-of-war stood spectators without coming to his assistance; for this, two of their commanders were tried by a council of war and executed; a third was condemned to perpetual imprisonment, loss of pay, and incapacity to serve in future. The fourth died." Admiral Benbow was a thoroughly gallant seaman. He received his commission in the navy for his bravery in beating off a corsair, while in command of a merchant vessel. He was twice sent to the West Indies by King William. On the second occasion, he fell in with the French Admiral, Du Casse, in August 1702, near the Spanish coast. A skirmishing action continued for four days, but on the last the Admiral was left alone to engage the French, the other ships having fallen astern. Although thus single-handed, and having his leg shattered by a chain-shot, he would not suffer himself to be removed from the quarter-deck (in this respect the ballad is incorrect), but continued fighting until the following morning, when the French sheered off. The Admiral made signal for his ships to follow, but his orders received no attention, and he was obliged to return to Jamaica, where he caused the officers who behaved so basely to be tried. The report of the court-martial will be found in The Harleian Miscellany, vol. I, 1744. There was a treasonable conspiracy among the officers of his fleet, not to fight the French. Admiral Benbow did not survive this disappointment; it aggravated the effects of his wound, and he expired. The tune of Admiral Benbow is the vehicle of many country songs at the present time (1859), and used for Christmas carols. In the month of January last, Mr. Samuel Smith noted it down from the singing of some carollers in Marden near Hereford, to the words commencing,- "A virgin unspotted the prophets foretold." |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Margo Date: 05 Apr 01 - 04:42 PM I have this exact version done by Lou Killen. You've clarified a couple of words for me, thanks! This is a great piece for Concertina. I do it that way I read that while Admiral Benbow did indeed die of his wounds, he lived long enough to see Kirkby hang. The song makes it sound like he died on board after the battle. Poetic license... Margo |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: GUEST,#1 Date: 05 Apr 01 - 04:16 PM Only since 1528 CE. |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: BanjoRay Date: 05 Apr 01 - 04:10 PM Bo-Peep is english for Peek-a-boo. Cheers |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 05 Apr 01 - 04:05 PM It's on a single sheet song with music, c 1780. Sung by Mr. Bannister. |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: GUEST,Hoot & Fidget Date: 05 Apr 01 - 03:52 PM What in the world is "bo-peep" refering to? |
Subject: RE: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: LaMarca Date: 08 Jul 97 - 06:04 PM Here's a few corrections and historical notes: Vs. 1: "Where we watered our shipping.." Vs. 2: "Now the first we come up with.."
Vs. 5: "But brave Admiral Benbow for help would not cry, Vs. 6: "To see Admiral Benbow carried to.." The song describes a battle between Benbow's squadron and a French squad that took place from August 19-24, 1702, in the Caribbean. On August 24, Admiral Benbow's leg was severely broken in battle, and I assume he expired from the injury. One of the other ship's captains, Richard Kirkby, was later court-martialled for cowardice and sentenced to be shot, after reports that during the battle he spent most of his time "dodging behind the mizen-mast and falling down upon the deck on the noise of shot...", thus discouraging his men greatly. Printed versions of the song include a verse after verse 5 describing this:
"Our brave Captain Crosbie* proved coward at last, *The broadside this is taken from used the name Crosbie instead of Kirkby. I don't sing this verse myself, but I think it's kinda fun to know the historical background of the song! I got this info from a musty old book "Naval Songs and Ballads" put out by a British Royal Navy Society at the turn of the century. They have a lot of historical info on the songs they printed, and illustrations of some of the ships. |
Subject: Lyr Add: Admiral Benbow From: LaMarca Date: 07 Jul 97 - 10:44 AM Lance, I have a couple texts to that Admiral Benbow at home, including a couple verses that Tabor doesn't sing. It's a more detailed description of the actual battle. She leaves out the verses about the two captains who turned tail and ran; they were later court-martialed for cowardice. Here's the text Tabor sings (from memory; I'll type in amendments tomorrow if I've screwed up any of the words): ADMIRAL BENBOW We sailed from Virginia and thence to Fayall Where we watered our ships and then we weighed all Full in view on the seas, boys, seven sails we did espy So we mannéd our capstans and weighed speedily.
Now the first we come up on was a brigantine sloop
We drew up our squadron in very nice line
Now the very next morning the engagement proved hot
Oh, the guns they did rattle and the bullets did fly,
Now, the very next morning at the break of the day
So come all you brave fellows, wherever you've been, *I've seen this printed as "chance" shot but also as "chain" shot in another source. Chain shot was a particularly nasty form of ammo where several balls were linked with iron chain. When shot at ship's rigging, it would wrap itself around masts, spars, etc. and cause great damage. I like this song quite a bit; it's a lot more interesting than the "Oh, my name it is Benbow, I did sail" versions!
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Subject: Admiral Benbow lyrics From: Lance Frodsham frodsham@e-z.net Date: 03 Jul 97 - 11:48 AM I'm trying to find the lyrics to a version of Admiral Benbow as done by June Tabor on the "A Cut Above" recording with Martin Simpson. The data base has The Copper Family version and the Cecil Sharpe version but Tabor's version is very different.Same tune but much more narrative. Between the naughtical terms and her smokey voice, I cant decipher it. Thanks Versions in the Digital Tradition:Admiral Benbow (2) |
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