Subject: What is a duchall? From: GUEST,Dan Evergreen Date: 26 May 00 - 03:58 PM I'm trying to learn "the Rising of the Moon" and I love it. In it, Sean O'Farrell addresses his "duchall." I can find that term in no dictionary. What does it mean? |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: katlaughing Date: 26 May 00 - 04:15 PM Hi, Dan, I am not familiar with the lyrics, but could he possibly be referring to Duchall castle or the Earl of Duchall, which I found info on at this place? |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Áine Date: 26 May 00 - 04:51 PM Dear Dan, What I think you're hearing isn't "duchall", but "buachaill", which in Irish means "boy" or "lad". -- Áine |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: GUEST,dan evergreen Date: 30 May 00 - 09:49 AM Aine, you must be right. Rise Up Singing actually spells it "duchall." I was thinking maybe it was some kind of a local commander in the Irish underground. Anyway, thanks a lot. Great song. Very poetic. |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: alison Date: 30 May 00 - 11:06 AM I always knew it as "Hush me buachaill".... slainte alison |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 30 May 00 - 12:21 PM More or less friend or comrade, is my understanding. And the pronunciation as I've got it from Richard Dyer-Bennett is more or less "hush, m' vougal" or maybe better represented "m' voogal". The G in that is actually not so much a hard G as a sort of raspy G in the back of the mouth. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Frank McGrath Date: 30 May 00 - 04:57 PM "Hush mo bhuachaill" Be quiet my boy In the Irish Language, bh is pronounced as the letter "v". Frank |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Áine Date: 30 May 00 - 05:02 PM Not in all the dialects in Irish, Frank. In the northern dialect, "bh" is only pronounced like the English "v" when it is followed by "i" or "e". Otherwise, it's pronounced like the English "w" sound. -- Áine |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 May 00 - 05:59 PM So it could reasonably enough have been written down as a b, or v, or w - or even a g if it was a ventriloquest doing it ("gottle of geer") - but how could it ever have become a d? |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Amergin Date: 30 May 00 - 06:08 PM It was someone probably mistaking the "b" sound for a "d" sound. |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Frank McGrath Date: 30 May 00 - 09:02 PM Sorry Áine, I'm a Munster dunce. Frank |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 May 00 - 09:24 PM But you couln't mishear that as "Munster vunce", could you? |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Frank McGrath Date: 30 May 00 - 09:34 PM McGrath of Harlow, you are a bhickhead and a dollocks - vut I lobhe you anyway. Frank |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 May 00 - 09:36 PM I suddenly flashed on an image of a version of The Rising of the Moon featuring Dougall from The Magic Roundabout... It'd be Brian the Snail as Sean O'Farrell of course. Just the kind of fleet footed messenger you'd want. |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: IvanB Date: 30 May 00 - 09:41 PM Actually, in my version of RUS, it's spelled buchall. Dan may have an earlier version with a typo. |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Frank McGrath Date: 30 May 00 - 10:05 PM Coulb de a dout of bislexia. Its a ditch dut, I know, suffer similarly. |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Amergin Date: 30 May 00 - 10:55 PM roflmao!! |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: catspaw49 Date: 30 May 00 - 10:59 PM Interesting thread.......I always thought a "Duchall" was a convention center in The Hague. Spaw |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Big Mick Date: 30 May 00 - 11:39 PM Dyslexics of the world............UNTIE!!!! |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 May 00 - 02:39 PM Mony a mickle maks a duchall. |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Mrs.Duck Date: 01 Jun 00 - 02:05 PM Isn't it obvious a duchall is "Quack"!!! |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Frank McGrath Date: 01 Jun 00 - 07:55 PM I think there is duchall point in continuing this thread. Nuff's innuff. Nuff said. |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: MartinRyan Date: 02 Jun 00 - 05:37 AM ...a female drakeall... ..... an inkspot... .... collected earls.... ....a waterproof drill...
Regards |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: GUEST,David Weir Date: 20 Feb 11 - 05:09 PM In my childhood in Tyrone, a duchal (Pron. Duckal)was a perennially wet area in a field - often where a farm drain petered out - one I knew well because I fell in it as a small child, and was carried into the house for cleaning by a tetchy father (it's contents were mainly mud and chicken shed run-off). |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Dave Hanson Date: 21 Feb 11 - 03:16 AM You waited eleven years to tell us that ? Dave H |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: MartinRyan Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:24 AM Thigs move slowly in Tyrone... Actually, its an interesting word. Anyone find its origins? Regards |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: MartinRyan Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:27 AM Cue The Bay City Rollers ! Regards |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Gurney Date: 21 Feb 11 - 01:55 PM Also pronounced 'Buckanall' by some, probable anglophones. |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: MartinRyan Date: 24 Feb 11 - 06:48 AM A friend of mine from the same area as GUESTDavid Weir confirms that Tyrone usage. Speculated it was a corruption of "dunghill" - but this seems unlikely. Regards |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: cobra Date: 24 Feb 11 - 08:35 AM Good job The Rising Of The Moon isn't a Tyrone song, so. What on earth would a fella be doing singing to a muddy field?? And, on a separate note also eleven years late, I learnt all my Irish in Ulster and was not aware that the aspirated B became a "W" unless followed by an "i" or a "e". But then I was an inattentive student! |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 24 Feb 11 - 01:47 PM In Scottish Gaelic I think it would translate as a boy who herds cattle. Perhaps the first cowboy. :-} |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 25 Feb 11 - 05:43 AM ? a posher duckhouse? RtS (I'll get me flippers) |
Subject: RE: What is a duchall? From: GUEST Date: 25 Feb 11 - 06:55 AM It's definitely buachaill, Irish for boy. "Hush a bhuachaill, hush and listen, and his cheeks were all aglow." We use "boy" all the time when addressing a male (of any age). "Good shot, boy". "How are you , boy?" Especially in Cork. People think its a Cork joke but it is used all the time. Hard to imagine that he was addressing a "perennially wet area in a field". Mind you I did fall into a duchal once in Longford. The surface was green just stepped straight in, up to the waist |
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