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Subject: BBC has left Mudcat From: Wolfgang Date: 09 Jun 00 - 05:26 AM I hope I am mistaken, but Barbara (BBC) has left Mudcat and has stated why in the 'Why do people start biased, inflammatory' thread. If you look at the Mudcat Resources link you'll find that her name has been taken away there, too. I think, you should at least read why a long-time contributor has gone. Since Dan'l, after altogether four posts, when he stated he'd leave (you remember?), got two threads with dozens of pleas to come back devoted to him, I thought I'd let go by the 'over & out' of a long-time contributor not completely without comment. Barbara, I hope it's not a final break-up, but just a break after which you come back (like, e.g., Bruce, Martin, and Roger did). We need people like you. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Jon Freeman Date: 09 Jun 00 - 07:29 AM Wolfgang, bbc had planned on handing her resources over and Max had agreed to take over a couple of months ago. Details can be found at http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=20425. As regards the other bit, bbc knows my feelings which are the same as yours, ie. If she hs decided to leave, I hope it is just for a short break and that she does return. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Kernow John Date: 09 Jun 00 - 07:29 AM Wolfgang Thanks for highlighting this I hadn't noticed yet that Barbara had gone. All I can say is how sorry I am that someone who's been such a strong and active supporter of the 'Cat should feel this way. The amount of work that Barbara put into the 'Cat was obviously done out of a love for the place and it must have taken a fair bit of hurt for her to have chucked it in. Barbara thanks for all you've done I hope the 'Cat becomes the sort of place you feel you can come back to sometime. Take care now Baz |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Jun 00 - 08:09 AM Well, if bbc has decided bbc to drop out for a while, I'll miss her.
She has been a very helpful part of the Mudcat. Not just for the resources she has organised and shepherded - which I am glad to see will continue, as "Mudcat Resources" under Quick Links, since we badly need them.
On top of that she has said a lot of things that it was important someone said. And even when I've found myself disagreeing with over some particular thing - and that always happens in any sort of exchange of views - she has always been measured and civil in how she expressed herself, and respectful of other people's points of view. That is a quality we should always aim to keep in our exchanges, in whatever style we choose, and too often we don't. That is the kind of thing that hurts the Mudcat, especially if it drives good people away.
Anyway, I hope bbc will be back again, maybe after coming up for air for a bit. |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: GUEST,skarpi at work Date: 09 Jun 00 - 08:30 AM Why? Why do good people like bbc goes of mudcat? What is going on there, am I the last to know these things.Barbara it is good to rest , and I hope that you´ll be back to us fresh and fine . you´re mudcat friend skarpi Iceland. P.s Barbara if you come to Iceland please let me know. skarpi Iceland. |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 09 Jun 00 - 11:34 AM I have moved and kept on moving Proved the points that I needed proving Lost that friends that I needed losing Found others on the way
Stay cool Barbara (BBC)! {~` |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Rick Fielding Date: 09 Jun 00 - 12:08 PM Barbara has stated publicly (here) and privately (to many members) that her disappointment with Mudcat stems almost entirely with her lack of interest in much of it's current content. Seems fair enough. Different strokes, right? I know she takes great pride in having started the "resources" section, but some might remember that at the beginning, many members found 'that', not to their liking, and I'm sure a few left. They probably thought that pictures and personal e-mails meant that this site was getting less "folky" and too "personal". Once again...fair enough. It's simply "change" and it's unavoidable. When I first joined about two years ago, a question or post on rock bands would have gotten it's share of snotty rejoiners, but now, a thread on "favourite records" will be virtually ALL rock or at the least highly commercial 'folk'. That's certainly "change". "Thoughts of the day", "Quotes of the day", "Healing Circles", "Cyber Taverns", "Creative communal story telling", etc. These have all happened in the last couple of years, and my guess is, drove many away....and encouraged many to join. The amount of personal information given by many in either happy or stressful times has been staggering. Shows an amazing level of trust (or reckless desperation). A few have gotten burned for this, but the vast majority have not. Amazing! And through it all....despite everything....through defections and bored flamers, through celebrations of good times,........YOU CAN STILL ASK A QUESTION, AND GET AN ANSWER! If it's about folk music, it'll take a little longer, but you'll get it. ('cept when I needed a Panamanian folk song!) Rather than do the "pleeeeeese come back..."thing, I'd just like to thank Barbara for her efforts. Duane and David too. Rick |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Jed at Work Date: 09 Jun 00 - 12:23 PM I hope we have not seen the last of bbc. I have appreciated her point-of-view, and her effort. |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: tar_heel Date: 09 Jun 00 - 12:49 PM BARBARA..SAY IT AIN'T SO..........PLEASE!!!WE LOVE YOU!!! |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: tar_heel Date: 09 Jun 00 - 12:52 PM BUT IF IT HAS TO BE.......BARBARA,WE REALLY DID APPRECATE YOUR HARD WORK.....YOU WILL TRULEY WILL BE MISSED......MUDCAT WIL NEVER BE THE SAME......... THIS WAS WORTH SHOUTING ABOUT!!! |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: SeanM Date: 09 Jun 00 - 12:59 PM I'm with Rick on this one. Barbara has made a choice that she felt necessary, and rather than mourn the loss, I prefer to think of it as her doing what is necessary to be happy again. Rather than beg for return, I think the more eloquent tribute is just to look at this site, and what it has become with her contributions. A question I've asked myself a few times about this and other groups I read is "do I get enough enjoyment from this group to justify the negatives?" It appears that for the moment, BBC did not. People change, and groups change, though. Here's to hoping that one or the other allows her to come back... M |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Mooh Date: 09 Jun 00 - 01:01 PM ...in the meantime, Happy Trails...Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Lonesome EJ Date: 09 Jun 00 - 01:10 PM What Rick said. I like Bbc a lot, and would miss her...in fact I have been missing her posts since last summer. But,people will come and go here as the tenor of the Forum changes. There are many times when I have no interest in the current threads, but that usually doesn't last. I think Bbc is objecting to the proliferation of non-music posts, but at least in the first few Tavern threads, she was one of the most active participants in them. So perhaps her mindset, rather than the Forum, has undergone the greatest change. |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: catspaw49 Date: 09 Jun 00 - 01:43 PM Leej and Rick have summed it up pretty well for me. Come back when you feel you can or when the forum changes as it continually does. bbc has always been a valued member here. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: DougR Date: 09 Jun 00 - 01:48 PM Lonesome EJ: I wouldn't want to speak for Barbara, but I think you may have misread the primary reason for bbc's departure. I believe she left because a few contributors (don't know how much money but lots of words) left their manners someplace else when posting replies to various threads. Barbara made a great contribution to the Mudcat (including money) and I will truly miss her. Rick's right though. This place is going to be an ever changing place and if at anypoint a member feels a rest is called for then I say R.I.P. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: GUEST,Joe Date: 09 Jun 00 - 02:25 PM I'm a new kid on the block so I don't know Barbara or any of you - but I want all of you to know what a wonderful resource you have created. Thank you. In my short experience I have only found courtesy and helpfulness at this site from people who share a love of music that has made me feel like part of a very special community. |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Lonesome EJ Date: 09 Jun 00 - 02:43 PM Doug, I re-read the "Why Do Some People..." thread and would agree that I have misinterpreted bbc's reasons, as she appears to be principally objecting to the provocative nature of some thread titles, and not the non-musical subject of them. |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Amergin Date: 09 Jun 00 - 02:58 PM Guest Joe, I'm with you, I don't know Barbara or anyone else here very well, but I too am very grateful for the open arms I have received here. Also, I am very grateful for the resources and the knowledge that can be found here. For someone who has discovered the magic of folk music all by his lonesome, this place has opened my eyes and my ears by degrees I did not think possible. Thank you all. Amergin |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Áine Date: 09 Jun 00 - 03:11 PM I'm with Rick on this one -- Thank you bbc, for all the hard work and dedication to the Mudcat. For those of you who maintain websites, you know how time consuming it can be, and have probably worn down a few teeth from grinding them in frustration. bbc deserves a well-earned salute from all of us fellow webkeepers for a job more than well done. Let us all hope that she finds the road smooth before her and a friendly welcome at the end. Slán abhaile, a chara chóir, Áine |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: katlaughing Date: 09 Jun 00 - 04:12 PM Well said, Rick, thanks for articulating it so well. bbc, you have done this place a wonderful and valuable service and it will always be appreciated. I know you'd planned on taking more time off this summer and I hope this finds you doing well and able to come back when and if you are ready. Thank you, darlin'. kat |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: DougR Date: 09 Jun 00 - 04:18 PM Guest Joe and Amergin: May it ever be thus! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: The Shambles Date: 09 Jun 00 - 04:38 PM In the past I have likened the forum to a session. I have further made the point that given the informal nature of such things, you can try to influence them towards to the aspects that you like and away from those you do not. If you reach the point where to you, the negative out weighs the positive, despite your efforts, the only thing open to you is to leave.
This has very recently happened to me with a session and in the past with the forum. When I did return to The Mudcat, amongst others, bbc was one of the first to welcome me home I look forward to the day when I can say welcome home to her.
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: kendall Date: 09 Jun 00 - 06:16 PM Why dont the flammers and trolls go away too? |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: JenEllen Date: 09 Jun 00 - 08:47 PM In my short time here, I've enjoyed how the 'Cat mimics the cyclical nature of life. The ebb and flow of people and community has been a real treat. Barbara is one of the kindest, compassionate and knowledgeable people in this forum, and I'll be glad when her flow brings her back to us. ~JenEllen |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: DougR Date: 09 Jun 00 - 11:23 PM Kendall: unfortunately, that's the way they get their kicks I guess. Good thought though. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Biskit Date: 09 Jun 00 - 11:50 PM |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: bbc Date: 10 Jun 00 - 07:23 AM Thank you for your kind, supportive words. I had thought, a week ago, that I was making a complete break w/ Mudcat. Over a period of months, I had become increasingly frustrated w/ the tone of the Discussion Forum. I was afraid that, if I stayed, I would start expressing myself negatively toward the members who frustrated me & I didn't want to do that. As Áine so kindly stated, maintaining a website takes time & it locked me into Mudcat in a very personal way. I needed to disengage to regain some balance in my thinking. Since I tranferred the site to Max last Saturday (Thanks for the compliment of undertaking it, in addition to all you do, Max!), I am feeling some better. I expect that I will mostly lurk for some period of time. I have never had a lot to contribute, musically, to the Mudcat. Because of that, I looked for a way I could contribute. As Rick stated, some supported that and some didn't. Who knows, perhaps getting to know each other better through the resources site has contributed to the current light, chatty tone. If so, to those of you who preferred what we had in the past, I sincerely apologize for my part. I will take some time for other things & will post if I feel I have something valid to contribute. My only wish for the Forum is that others might do the same--consider the validity of what you are about to express before you hit the "submit message" button. best, always, bbc |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: black walnut Date: 10 Jun 00 - 08:05 AM Nice to hear your voice again, bbc. I don't think personal pictures and email addresses and locations and bios do anything but add favourably to the forum. (I never got around to sending in a photo, but it was on my 'to do' list.) I'm going to copy/paste something I just wrote on a B.S. thread. I think it is relevant to this thread as well:
.................................... Don't you see, friends, that this is where the struggle lies? There is a very big difference between "...dedicated to folk and blues" and "just so happens that we like folk and blues too". B.S. threads can be fun, and can be a way of getting to know each other as whole people. But, just THINK about it. If "shooting the breeze" is your PRIMARY goal here, then you might be hurting the forum as much as a flamer. If you're bored, try reading and posting to a non-B.S. threads. There's a whole lot of worthwhile stuff going on in there.
~black walnut (ducking right now for cover) |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: GUEST Date: 10 Jun 00 - 11:26 AM Gee, bbc, What a flow of emotions you generated for me. You were a central figure in my positive experience at the Getaway and I always enjoyed your heart-felt postings. And just who would be pouring the foul black stuff at the tavern, anywho? Then the good news that you will stick around and watch. I don't get here often anymore (I hope to remedy that in a month or two). I would have been saddened to think that I might never hear from a good friend again. Say Hi to Duane and David for me. Roger in Baltimore |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: GUEST,hollowfox, visiting her folks Date: 10 Jun 00 - 02:44 PM Barbara, there's no need for that word "sorry" in your post. You've done a splendid, much needed job, and that doesn't mean that you should have to be stuck with that job forever. I thank you for all your good work, and I hope to meet you someday. For now, enjoy a vacation from it. Enjoy your life journeym and if it brings you back to the 'Cat, we'll be glad to say "Hi! Welcome back." Love, Mary |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: selby Date: 11 Jun 00 - 01:54 PM Many thanks to bbc to all she has done for the mudcat as for bios pictures etc the sucess of mudcat has to be the meetings that have and will take place of like minded people through this medium. At the moment I would hope that as in all sesions/singerounds that bbc has gone outside for a bit of fresh air and will come back shortly. Keith |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Amos Date: 11 Jun 00 - 02:29 PM BBC -- you have been one of the major lights in the great constellation of the Cat. It was your work that first showed the face of the Mudcat community as a deeper and more vital force than just lyrics and fretting threads. It brought the Cat to life. In that respect you have done a greatly good thing as far as I am concerned and you will always be appreciated for it. Amos |
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Subject: RE: BBC has left Mudcat From: Little Neophyte Date: 11 Jun 00 - 07:35 PM Dear bbc, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for adding: Little Neophyte to the bbc resources Then changing Little Neophyte to Banjo Bonnie on the bbc resources Then changing Banjo Bonnie to Little Neophyte on the bbc resources Then changing Little Neophyte to Banjo Bonnie on the bbc resources Now if I want to change Banjo Bonnie to Little Neophyte, do I speak to Max? (just kidding) You are a kind lady of patience and I will alway be thankful for the wonderful things you have done for us Mudcatters. Wishing you all the best in whatever you do bbc. Sincerely, Little Neo
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