World's best guitar player has website

Subject: World's best guitar player has website
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 01:54 PM

www.tonymcmanus.com

At last the finest guitar player in the known universe has his own website. Sorry I can't do blueclickies ....

Murray

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 02:11 PM

"World's Best" is always nonsense!

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: BlueJay
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:26 PM

Guest- If you actually want me to visit this guitarists site, why don't you tell me why you think he's the "world's best guitar player"? I've never heard of Tony McMannus. I'm sure he's good, but what type of music does he play? I think you are probably trying to help a friend or something, but if you don't give us any information, this thread will quickly die and you will have accomplished nothing. You should have learned how to do the "blue clicky thing" before you jumped in.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: BlueJay
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:30 PM

Sorry, GUEST, that was directed to Murray. BJ

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:41 PM

Oh all right .....

www.tonymcmanus.com

Murray

(Hope this works )

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Brendy
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:43 PM

Tony McManus

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:43 PM

Doesn't work, someone post a blue clicky thing to tell me how to do a blue clicky thing, please

Murray

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Brendy
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:44 PM

Try it again (What's wrong tonight?)

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Brendy
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:46 PM

And he definately is one of the best at what he does!

B.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Lucius
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:50 PM

I cringed when I clicked on this link. "World's Best". But Murray MacLeod isn't half wrong. I was enthralled by Tony McManus's first release. I'd say that he is ONE of the best. Of course, he competing with other "unknowns" like Ian Carr and Dave MacIssacs, but he certainly elevates the guitar to new levels. Hey Murray, when is he going to come to Nelson, NH for a workshop??

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 04:19 PM

Lucius ! Lets hope he gets more than Martin Simpson got, eh?

Now concerning your reference to Ian Carr and Dave McIsaacs. Tony would hate me for saying this, these are two great players, but he simply leaves thenm standing.

Two years ago I went to Cape Breton specifically for the Celtic Guitar Festival. Tony was playing there along with Dave NcIsaacs and JP Cormier (others too, but these three were the heavyweights.)

As they took their turns playing their final tune, Tony elected to play the "Easy Club Reel" After he had finished playing, the entire audience along with all the players on stage (led ny J P) rose spontaneously to their feet and gave him a standing ovation lasting at least a minute. Nobody seeing him play that night could have any doubts as to who the greatest guitarist in the world was. And yes, I have seen Doc Watson and David Bromberg and Tony Rice and Pierre Bensusan and all the other Celtic guitarists as well as all the British guitar heroes. Nobody comes close. Either flatpicking or fingerpicking.

He tours the States each year with Alasdair Fraser, which unfortunately doesn't give him the chance to demonstrate his solo ability, but if they are appearing in your area you owe it to yourself to see him.

Murray

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: BlueJay
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 04:45 PM

That's better, Murray. Now I'm interested, but get an errorthing when I try to bring up his page. BlueJay

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 04:53 PM

Bluejay, try closing the error page and see if the website is hiding behind it. I don't know why, but it worked for me when I clicked on Brendy's link. Or just cut and paste my URL, you lazy git ......

Murray

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 05:04 PM

Actually, Brendy's "Try again" link works OK

Murray

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Petr
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 05:07 PM

I dont think hes better than Arty. McGlynn (that is)

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: BlueJay
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 06:03 PM

Murray- Brendy's link works for me better than yours does, for whatever reason. I am not lazy, your information doesn't work for me on my browser. BlueJay

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Noreen
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 06:20 PM

Murray, try the HTML practice thread as I don't appear to be able to show you how in a personal message! Hope this helps

Regards

--Noreen

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: bob jr
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 07:05 PM

i checked it out and the worlds best player has many sites but i think you spelt neil young wrong up there at the top

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Lucius
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 08:46 PM

OK, Tony McMannus is an astounding guitarist. He remains my favorite, based on the couple of recordings that I have. But I still have trouble with the "World's greatest". I enjoy Ian Carr's work with Shannon Tweed, even if he uses a--dare I say--pick. I admire Dave MacIssacs for being audacious enough to play traditional music on an electric guitar--knowing how my own efforts at playing for the Morris has raised a few eyebrows. Heck, I've been known to delight in both Julian Bream's and Pat Metheny's playing.

If you could rephrase it to "World's best FINGERSTYLE guitarist, then I would have no choice to agree, though I've yet to see him in person (do I sound jealous?).

Lucius

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 09:23 PM

When it comes to "world's greatest", this thread covers some of the above. I feel that Rick Fielding's last post in that thread makes a very good point.

Jon

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From:
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 10:42 PM

Dave MacIsaac would travel halfway around the world to play with Tony! He's actually said that.

However, Tony said he'd do the same for a chance to play with Dave again!

Reminds me of Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly when asked who was their best dancing partner.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 02:43 AM

Bluejay, I sincerely apologize for what seems like rudeness, I swear I typed a "G" after my "lazy git" to signify jocularity, but enclosed it in pointy brackets which must have been understood by the software as an HTML command. I was not being offensive, I promise you.

Thanks Noreen I will practise on the practise thread.

Lucius, I hate to tell you, but Tony is just as amazing with a flatpick as he is with his fingernails. The "Easy Club Reel" which brought upwards of a thousand people to their feet in Cape Breton is a flatpicked piece, God only knows how it is possible to play it. And may I say that it followed straight on from JP Cormier playing "The Mathematician" which is yet another tour de force.

I have no axe to grind as regards Tony Mcmanus, yes he is a friend, but I gain nothing from publicizing him except the satisfaction of knowing that I may have helped even one person to discover a musician who truly (and maybe uniquely in the field of folk music) merits the term "genius".

While om the subject of genius, I would just like to add that there are IMHO only three guitar players I have heard who merited that appellation, and I think I have heard and listened to more guitar players than I have had hot breakfasts. My take on genius is that when listening to the player you have to experience a certain sense of awe and an awareness that you have heard something which transcends mere technique and reaches into another dimension. Like, there are hundreds of players I have heard who I know I could never hope to emulate and whose music I love and enjoy, but who are merely brilliant.

The genius is someone who can never be duplicated by anyone. That said my three against the field are
1. Blind Blake
2. Roy Buchanan
3. Tony McManus

Voila, je repose ma valise.

Murray

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 09:58 AM

I too have a problem with "best" anything, because everything is relative. To a germ, good health is a type of disease. How do you decide best anyway? fastest? flashiest? I like what Rick Fielding does with a guitar, I also like Gordon Bok.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: BlueJay
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 12:26 PM

Murray- Thanks, no problem. Typos happen. I try to make a habit of proofing my stuff before submission. I rarely actually DO it, but sometimes I remember. I've probably made some big mistakes, PLUS said things I read later and wished I'd phrased differently, or hadn't written at all.
Good luck with your HTML attempts. I can do line breaks, and the Blue Click, but that's about it. That is why I frequently UPPER CASE words. to me it is for emphasis. Actually, folks here in cyberspace equate it with YELLING. In simple word processing, I would just underline the word I want to emphasize. Can't do it here without HTML, and to type ten characters to underline ONE word doesn't seem worth it. (HA, maybe your right after all, I AM lazy)!
Regarding Tony McManus- You've done a good thing. I am intrigued, and will eventually buy a CD. Especially after reading the comments from Mudcatters who have heard his work. I'm always open to unfamiliar music. This guy must be GOOD. Thanks again, BlueJay

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 01:08 PM

Neat.. too bad he doesn't have MP3's on his page so us uninitiated could sample some of his music...

Anybody famillar with both him, and Don Ross?? Care to do a comparison for me... I consider Don to be THE fingerstyle guitar god... but as a fewllow Canadian, I may be a bit biased...

DON ROSS

[~`

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Lucius
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 01:53 PM

OK, Murray.

I give. He is the world's greatest guitarist. Of course, he only has three recordings, and I need more variety, as I'm sure that you do. I hope that the rest of the guitarists of the world don't become discouraged. Then again, does being the world's greatest guitarist detract from being the fine arranger that he is?

You mention that he uses a pick. Return to Milltown--the first piece of his that I heard--begins with a repeated lick that I am sure that he is playing with a flatpick. Then I hear what appears to be a fingerstyle accompaniment in the bass. Do you have any idea of how he does this?? And while you are at it, do you know what tunings he favors?

Lastly, how's your playing coming along? Any interesting workshops on the horizon?

Lucius

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 03:00 PM

Licius, I have no idea how he does this. I know what you mean, I just have no idea how he does it. Even after sitting five geet away and watching carefully, I still cant see it . He has a strange hand angle, a bit like Leo Kottke's who also conceals all his techniques (not deliberately, it's just the way he holds his hand.)

I can however tell you that he plays almost exclusively in DADGAD, occasionally in DADGBE and CGCGCD, and virtually never in standard tuning. I guess the place to go would be the Valley of the Moon Summer School in California, where he teaches each year.

Tony's most fascinating technique, and one which I know I can never duplicate, and have never heard anyone else play is his execution of lightning fast triplets at any time in a tune, and he can do it on any of the six strings, fingerstyle. On the bass strings he does it by moving his thumbnail rapidly back and forth. He says this is a flamenco technique which he "picked up". The beauty and integrity of his music goes way beyond mere technique however.

I am still playing here in S Florida, thanks for asking. We are organizing a Folk Festival here in Homestead next February, and Martin Simpson will be the headlining guest, so come on down, he will be giving another workshop. I still can't do that flicky thing he showed us in NH !

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 03:02 PM

Lucius, if you're going to bring Julian Bream into it, it's only fair to say that John Williams is ahead of him. Even Julian Bream said that.

I know that making claims for who's best may be a bit futile, but it provokes an entertaining discussion, whatever BlueJay thinks. I thought he was a bit unfriendly BTW, Murray, telling you off without pointing you to help on HTML.

Anyway, John Williams really is a strong contender in his own field. He brought to the guitar "a level of technique the world has never seen," according to some bloke called Sogovia. Of course, that will just encourage someone to go out and play better.

As for the subject of this thread, if he's better than Arty McGlynn, he must be a neat player.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 05:42 PM

Segovia also said of John Williams ( as a child) that "God has laid a finger on his brow". That is exactly how I feel when i listen to the three guitarists I mentioned earlier, It is like there is an other-worldly greatness to their playing and their music which could never be attained simply by practising. Can't say I have ever felt that way about Neil Young though .......(or Arty McGlynn to whom I am listening right now and whose music I love)

Murray

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 07:55 PM

I hate those "Best" or "Greatest" things. I don't even like "Ten Best" of whatever. Too much good EVERYTHING!!! Who's to pick besides me? Or you? Does it matter? Is it even really fun.....or just frustrating? I always get excited about every knew choice and can't zero in.....then I get ticked off because I can't!

And as far as Blue Jay goes and pruuffreeding........He once signed his name as Blow Joy. I didn't even want to ask.

Spaw

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Lucius
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 09:28 PM

OK, John Williams is terrific, but there is something about the tone that Julian Bream is able to entice from a guitar that I love. Granted, it drives my guitar teacher nuts, ("too much playing near the bridge"). Then again Bream is a lutenist and Williams is not. As a former lutenist myself, I feel compelled to plug him. That Sogovia bloke wasn't bad either, but he also said some very kind things about Elliott Fisk, who IMHO plays like a dead fish.

Artie McGlynn is fantastic, and like Dave MacIssacs, is a pioneer on the use of electric guitar in "traditional" music. Don Ross was good enough to win the Winfield Fingerstyle Competition--twice. Catspaw is is correct in pointing out that even the ten best is of limited utility. Still, for what he does I have heard none better than Tony McMannus. But for what he does, Ian Carr is no slouch either. Any name recognition here?

I happen to see Ian Carr and Karen Tweed in the Montague (MA) Grange. Maybe fifty people got the concert of their life. Ian Carr is a terrific accompanist, though he is a straight picker and he rarely takes the "head" in a tune. I was probably one of the few people in a room full of accordion zealots that was there to hear a guitarist. Is Tony McMannus in for the same, now that he is paired up with Alistar Frasier?

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From:
Date: 18 Jun 00 - 10:12 PM

For emphasis, Bluejay and Murray, you could use Bold. Try this <B> That's the easiest way. Now don't forget the closer </B>

You can always combine it with Italics, which is <I> and </I>. Try those out in the HTML Practice thread.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Kim C
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 04:18 PM

Isn't Leo Kottke really three people playing the guitar all at once? Maybe he has an extra hand somewhere.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: bob jr
Date: 19 Jun 00 - 09:32 PM

any of you folks heard of this canadian cat lenny breau? he was pretty cool

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Lady McMoo
Date: 20 Jun 00 - 03:54 AM

Tony McManus is a very fine guitar player indeed with a quite phenomenal technique and feeling for the music. But like others I am quite anti saying anybody is the BEST at anything. This is against the spirit of music IMHO. I love listening to Tony McManus but also love listening to Martin Simpson, Pierre Bensusan, Lee Collinson, Rev. Gary Davis, Mississippi John Hurt, Blind Blake, Paco Pena, Richard Thompson and dozens of other guitarists, not to mention other instrumentalists and singers. The question of who is best is entirely irrelevant and all have enriched my life and those of countless others with their marvellous talent.

Peace

mcmoo

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar
Date: 20 Jun 00 - 04:53 AM

I'm delighted that a Spanish name has come into the discussion at last. Flencomo guitaritsts I cannot even put a name to have excited me just as much with their ability as Tony has. I've in my time shared a stage with Tony McManus. He is indeed astonishing, and currently the best I know of in town at what he does. But I'd never think of allocating anyone the title of 'the best' Scots guitarist even. It depends what you think is important. This debate seems to think that accuracy, speed, and deftness are highly important cum crucial. How about soul, originality, character, innovativeness, variety, sensitivity to the tradition, etc, etc. I'm in the midst of reading J F Chernoff's 'African Sense and African Sensibility', and have just read an interview with Dagomba drummer Ibrahim Abdulai in which he talks about the speed and energy that younger drummers employ. But they eventually get older and learn what else in important in music. By the way, who is the 'World's Greatest Singer', then?

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 20 Jun 00 - 03:00 PM

Murray, I'll leave it to others to debate the wisdom of choosing a "best" guitarist. But I am grateful to you for mentioning Tony McMannus. I had never heard of him, but now that I have I'll be sure to give him a listen, and will probably be as awe-struck as you are. Someone on the 'Cat recently alerted me to Don Ross, so I now have two on my "must listen" list. Debates about relative worth notwithstanding, I'm always anxious to expand my horizons. Thanks.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Jun 00 - 11:10 PM

Best singer?

Horton Barker.

Rick

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jun 00 - 04:20 PM

sorry bob jr. but Lenny Breau was born and raised in Auburn Maine.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jun 00 - 04:22 PM

Worlds best singer? dont know, but, I like to listen to Paul Robeson.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Biskit
Date: 21 Jun 00 - 04:39 PM

I only got on this thread `cause I just knew it was about Chet Atkins, Mark Knopfler,Eric Clapton....Y'know somebody really good this is the first time I've ever heard of,...Tony Mcmanus????????-Biskit-

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 21 Jun 00 - 05:13 PM

Don't sweat it Biskit. Tony has not gotten a huge amount of ink yet...but he WILL. He most certainly isn't "the world's best" 'cause that's just silly....there AIN'T a "world's best", but in his style, he plays brilliantly.

You know folks we could make these "best" lists a lot more realistic if we broke it down into genres. For example, my take might be:

Most technically proficient player in DADGAD: probably Tony Mc.

Most technically proficient acoustic country fatpicker: Norman Blake (for that loooooose crosspicking)

Most technically proficient Blues fingerpicker..traditional: Bill Broonzy. contemporary: Fred Vine.

Best vibrato: BB King

At least if we do it that way it puts some perspective on it. I mean you could say that Hendrix was the most "inventive" guitarist using electronics, but he would hardly be on the same planet as George Barnes or Lenny Breau when it came to knowing his fingerboard.

Rick

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 21 Jun 00 - 06:27 PM

Can that be right? Posting 42 before Big Bill Broonzy gets a mention?? We mustn't nod off like that again.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Biskit
Date: 21 Jun 00 - 09:28 PM

Y'Know that's the really great thing about ol' mudcat ever'body gets to have an opinion. I believe your idea would be the most peaceful solution Rick, but I'll still hold out my right to disagree. I've seen and heard Mark Knopfler do things...BEAUTIFUL things with a guitar that most players only wish they could do...I being one of the latter.-Biskit-

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Lucius
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 10:19 AM

Rick, you have an intriguing idea. I cannot think of a guitarist that has more musicality and finess than Tony McMannus. However Whistle Stop has pointed out the silliness of "best" anything. How about one more catagory:

Best guitarist that never won a Winfield Fingerstyle Championship: Tony Mc Mannus (Don Ross won twice).

Lucius

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Brendy
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 12:13 PM

Yes, but who is the best left-handed guitarist who uses right-handed stringing, can stand on one leg and play it behind his/her back?

I bet there's just a whole heap of people itching for that honour!

B.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 01:01 PM

Well, I am left handed, play right handed and can or used to be able to perform that feat but I'm a three chord thrasher so maybe I don't qualify for that nomination.

Jon

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 01:48 PM

Never saw Albert King play behind his back on one foot, but I bet he coulda.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From:
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 02:00 PM

I have no idea who the world's best is but I saw Tony Mc earlier this year on a bill with Pierre Bensusan and our own Geordie Cuban Issac Gillory. I enjoyed them all but it was Tony's cd I came away with - he was brilliant.

Subject: RE: World's best guitar player has website
From: little john cameron
Date: 23 Jun 00 - 02:04 AM

Ah wonder if anyone has heard Gordon Quinton? LJC.