Lyr Req: See amid the Winter's Snow (Caswell, Goss

Subject: See amid the winter snow
From: Nogs
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 03:26 PM

This has not been listed in the forum or Digitrad that I can see. An internet search has been unrevealing. The tune, with words changed to mourn the current state of affairs in the Canadian cod fisheries, was so beautifully harmonized by the members of 'Finest Kind' as to bring tears to my eyes. I would love to find the original words, described as being an 'English Carol'. Many thanks.

Subject: Lyr Add: SEE AMID THE WINTER'S SNOW (Caswell, Goss
From: MMario
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 03:33 PM

And what were the changed words???

SEE AMID THE WINTER'S SNOW

1.See, amid the winter's snow,
Born for us on earth below,
See, the tender Lamb appears,
Promised from eternal years.

Chorus:

Hail, thou ever-blessed morn!
Hail, Redemption's happy dawn!
Sing through all Jerusalem:
Christ is born in Bethlehem!

2.Lo, within a manger lies
He who built the starry skies,
He, who throned in height sublime,
Sits amid the Cherubim.

Chorus:

3.Say, ye holy shepherds, say,
What your joyful news today;
Wherefore have ye left your sheep
On the lonely mountains steep?

Chorus:
4.As we watched at dead of night,
Lo, we saw a wondrous light:
Angels, singing peace on earth,
Told us of a Saviour's birth.

Chorus:

5.Sacred Infant, all divine,
What a tender love was Thine,
Thus to come from highest bliss
Down to such a world as this!

Chorus:

6.Teach, O teach us, Holy Child,
By Thy face so meek and mild,
Teach us to resemble Thee
In Thy sweet humility.

Chorus:

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 03:44 PM

How about posting the fisheries words then - the way things are going, the Russians and Spaniards are going to fish us out, our fishing industry is going belly up too!

LTS

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 03:45 PM

Words E. Caswall (1814-1878), Tune J. Goss (1800-1880)

Malcolm

Subject: Tune Add: SEE AMID THE WINTER'S SNOW
From: MMario
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 03:54 PM

MIDI file: see_am~1.mid

Timebase: 192

Name: SEE AMID THE WINTER'S SNOW
Text: Generated by NoteWorthy Composer
Tempo: 096 (625000 microsec/crotchet)
Key: G
TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:02 PM

Good heavens, that was quick!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: MMario
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:13 PM

Have midi will convert!!

Isn't cut and paste a wonderful thing?

Really curious as to the fishery lyrics to this

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:16 PM

The MIDI works fine, MMario, but the ABC got goofed up. When you use MIDITEXT (or whenever you submit tunes for the Digital Tradition), be sure to strip out the harmony and use only a single melody line. Click here for the lyrics and tune at Cyber Hymnal.
I'm transcribing Finest Kind's lyrics for "No More Fish For Fishermen" at this very moment....
Sandy and Caroline Paton have the two extraordinary Finest Kind albums and some other Ian Robb stuff at Folk-Legacy Records. -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:48 PM

COME ON JOE, WHAT'S KEEPING YOU?? GOD, THE AMOUNT OF TIME SOME PEOPLE TAKE.... PATHETIC , REALLY. yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:50 PM

This is ridiculous now, this thread has been here for over an hour now, and still no words.... (*BG*)!

LTS duckingandrunningforcover.......

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: MMario
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:52 PM

Seven minutes too much for you there SqueekyLiz? It must just be the time-lag getting across the pond.

I do wish nogs would come back with the altered wording though....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:55 PM

Seven minutes is longer than I'm used to......

LTS

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:03 PM

THE CROWD BEGINS TO GATHER. "WHERE IS JOE!!WHERE IS JOE"?? THEY LOOK AT THEIR WATCHES. SEDUCED AS THEY HAVE BEEN WITH THE TWO MINUTE EGG, AND THE RUNUP TO THE SYDNEY OLYMPICS, AND THE RAPID LOSS OF THE EAST COAST FISHERIES, THE CROWD GROWS RESTLESS....IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG? CAN IT BE A RESTSTOP BREAK? COULD HE HAVE A REAL LIFE OUT THERE? THE MURMURING RISES......

Subject: Lyr Add: NO MORE FISH, NO FISHERMEN (Posen)^^
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:08 PM

Gee, you guys are getting awful darn demanding, aren't you? The album had great background notes, but no lyrics; so I had to transcribe it by ear. I had trouble with some of the place names, and would appreciate advice.
-Joe Offer-

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NO MORE FISH, NO FISHERMEN
(words: I. Sheldon Posen)

Out along the harbor reach,
Boats stand dried up on the beach
Ghost-like in the early dawn
Empty now, the fish are gone.
What will become of people now
Try to build a life somehow
Hard, hard times are back again,
No more fish, no fishermen.

No more shoppers in the stores
Since the fish plant closed its doors
Men who walked a trawler's decks
Now line up for welfare checks
There's big "for sale" signs everywhere
Pockets empty, cupboards bare
See it on the news at ten,
No more fish, no fishermen.

Once from Ship Cove to Cape Race
Port aux Basques to Harbour Grace
Newfoundlanders fished for cod
Owing merchants, trusting God.
They filled their dories twice a day
They fished their poor sweet lives away
They could not imagine then,
No more fish, no fishermen.

Back before the Second War,
We could catch our fish inshore
Boats were small and gear was rough
We caught fish, but left enough.
And now there's no more fish because
The trawler fleets took all there was
We could see it coming then,
No more fish, no fishermen.

Farewell now to stage and flake
Get out for the children's sake
Leave all friends and kin behind
Take whatever job you find
There's some that say things aren't so black
They say the fish will all come back
Who'll be here to catch them then
No more fish, no fishermen.


Recorded by the group Finest Kind on their "Heart's Delight" album
Words ©1996, I Sheldon Posen, Well Done Music, BMI
Music: "Humility" (See Amid the Winter's Snow), John Goss, 1871
JRO

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Shelley (Posen) wrote this song about the recent calamitous demise of the 500-year-old Newfoundland cod fishery. The song is modeled on "Coal, Not Dole," Kay Sutcliffe's lament for the coal mining industry in Great Britain, as sung by Coope, Boyes, and Simpson to the tune of the Victorian Christmas carol, "See Amid the Winter Snow."

There are several Newfoundland and nautical terms and phrases in the song. A reach is a sea inlet or channel. Hard, hard times recalls the title of a traditional local song about the fisherman's bitter economic lot. A modern trawler ship drags a huge bag-shaped net capable of enclosing an entire school of fish. A stage was the shed where in former times inshore cod fishermen landed, split, washed, and slated their catch. A flake was a rough pole-and-bough platform on which salt cod was dried in sun and wind before being exported.
^^

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:12 PM

Well, finally!! (joke, joke, joke)yours, Peter T. P.S. Going to use this at a retreat at the end of the month, many thanks, Joe.

Subject: Coal Not Dole??
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:40 PM

Say, Pete, you're a Canadian - can you help me with the place names? The one I'm really guessing at is "Port Herbass."

And while we're at it, can somebody post "Coal, Not Dole"? It has the same tune, so it would fit nicely in this thread.

Hard, Hard Times" is in the database. It's a great song.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 06:18 PM

Oh, I found a map - it's "Port aux Basques," but they say it more like "Porter Bask." Maybe they pronounce place names like Mainers do. Ask Kendall how to pronounce "Calais."
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: GUEST,nogs
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 11:52 AM

Hey, thanks for the words.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From:
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 01:54 AM

We pronounce it kal-aye, where as the Americans seem to pronounce it Kal-las

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 02:04 AM

YEy, whooppeee, beautiful song, I'm now going to steal it....

LTS

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 03:27 AM

Joe - it's added just for you..... Should be just below this one....]

LTS

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click here for Coal Not Dole, same tune

(thanks, Liz)^^

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: See amid the winter snow
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 26 Aug 00 - 09:44 PM

G'day,
Thanks to MMario the tune for "See Amid The Winter's Snow" can be found here at the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan