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Origin: Cock Up Your Beaver (Robert Burns?)
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Subject: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: John in Brisbane Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:31 AM Did Burns write this? My copy of 'The Songs of Scotlamd - Vol 2' Edited by Foster claims so, but the DT makes no mention of it. I was researching a missing tune for MMario when I came across it. The DT has a different name for the lyrics. Foster claims this to be penned by Burns to the Air 'Cock Up Your Beaver'. Regards, John |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Skipjack K8 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:37 AM We can have more fun with this one than Fanny Power! Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: pastorpest Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:52 AM My copy of "The Works of Robert Burns" published by the Wordsworth Poetry Library contains Cock Up Your Beaver. The first line is "When first my brave Johnnie lad/Came to this town." According to Ian McIntyre in his carefully researched biography of Burns "Dirt & Diety" Cock Up your Beaver was included in the fourth volume of the Scots Musical Museum. I really recommend "Dirt & Diety" published by HarperCollins ISBN 0 00 215964 3 available in both hardback and paperback. Although acedemic it is a marvelous resource for those interested in Burns. |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Peter Kasin Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:57 AM It's Scottish air that pre-dates Burns. Some variations on the melody are attributed to the Irish harper O'Carolan. Burns may have written words to the melody - another mudcatter might know if he did. It's one of my favorite titles - though I've yet to play it and announce the title! Can you imagine performing it and dedicating it to someone in the audience? Well, it really means "tip up your hat." -chanteyranger |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Peter Kasin Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:04 AM My post and Pastorpest's crossed - so Pastorpest has the lowdown on the Burns words to this melody. |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:13 AM And there was me thinking it was an animal show..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Skipjack K8 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:22 AM With cuddly Rolf Harris, eh, Liz! "Despite a brave fight, the poor little cock didn't quiet have the strength to make it throuigh the night" From a CD called 'Rolf Breaks It To You Gently', issued by DeadRinger Records.... Next series in November, Liz Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:30 AM Maybe we should post the words to 'Beastiality's best'..... what with all this Rolf Harris and animals around.... LTS |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Naemanson Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:35 AM Is Rolf Haris still around? I remember an old Aussie TV show that aired on our PBS wherein they were taking potshots at Rolf. I had no idea who they were talking about but that skit has stuck in my mind for decades. Was "Tie Me Kangaroo Down" one of his? |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Skipjack K8 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:42 AM Despite Liz's lyric and 'Tie me Kangaroo Down', Rolf is a genuinely bloody nice bloke. I met him once, well, shouted "He's behind you" at the pantomime. Rolf does a great line in animal TV shows on UK telly, and I think he deserves a knighthood for doing the definitive version of Stairway to Heaven, with his wobble board. Seriously, I like old Rolf. He's a diamond geezer. Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Biskit Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:49 AM I was thinkin' it was an animal thread as well LtS though not the four legged variaty. -Biskit- |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:59 AM Biskit - go and wash your mind out with soap and hot water!!! Of course I wasn't thinking of anything other than male birds and semi aquatic mammals - who despite living in and around the water, don't actually eat a great deal of fish..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Biskit Date: 23 Aug 00 - 12:02 PM Yeah! lets hear it for the hairy little vegetarians!-Biskit- |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: DougR Date: 23 Aug 00 - 01:34 PM Is it possible that there is a missprint and that the title is actually, "Cook" instead of "Cock?" Just a thought. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 01:40 PM nope. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: COCK UP YOUR BEAVER (trad Scotland?) From: GUEST,T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird) Date: 23 Aug 00 - 01:45 PM David Herd, Ancient and Modern Scottish Songs, Heroic Ballads, etc. In two volumes, 1776, Vol 2, page 205: "Cock up your Beaver"
When first my dear Johny came to this town, I like this pre-Burns version. I think Burns's modification of this is good, too. T. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: COCK UP YOUR BEAVER (Robert Burns) From: pastorpest Date: 23 Aug 00 - 02:21 PM Robert Burns - Cock Up Your Beaver
When first my brave Johnnie lad John Barker |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 02:48 PM Oh is there ever a Cletus story here............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 03:18 PM X:19 T:AIR XIX. Johny, Lad, cock up your Beaver. B:Joseph Mitchell: "The Highland Fair" (1731) Z:Jack Campin |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 03:25 PM aw crap! I forgot my line breaks! |
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Subject: Tune Add: JOHNNY LAD COCK UP YOUR BEAVER From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 03:27 PM X:19 T:AIR XIX. Johny, Lad, cock up your Beaver. B:Joseph Mitchell: "The Highland Fair" (1731) Z:Jack Campin M:6/4 L:1/4 K:F d/d/|ccF A>GF|GAG B2d|c2B A2G |Ffc A>Bc | dcd fcA |GAG B2f|c2B AAA/G/|Ffc A2 A | B/A/B/c/d/e/ fFA |GAG B2f|c2B A2G |Ffc A2(G/F/)|]
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Art Thieme Date: 23 Aug 00 - 03:39 PM This linguistic designation/connotation goes back to the grand old song called "Who Killed Cock Robin". As I think I mentioned once before, Cock Robin's real name was Penis Rabinowitz-----but when he migrated to the U.S.A. there was a guy at Ellis Island who had a unique sense of humor. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: GUEST,Phil Cooper Date: 23 Aug 00 - 04:11 PM I didn't realize there were words to the tune. I did find the tune in volume 3 of the Northern Tune Book and played through it because of the title. Must admit, I don't think the tune's very good. At least nothing about screamed out "learn me." |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: pastorpest Date: 23 Aug 00 - 04:14 PM MMario, thanks for the tune! John Barker PS And Spaw, behave yourself....sorry, stupid request. |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 04:21 PM ME??!!?!?!?!? I did restrain myself........BUT ... I was just about to jump Art as he has now used that gawdawful pun for what I count to be the FOURTH TIME!!!! Ah well....Nothing like a good one................Fart or Art's jokes--You decide. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Willie-O Date: 23 Aug 00 - 05:27 PM Had a friend who lived on a mountainside--his trapper neighbour would sometimes leave a skinned beaver in the mailbox for him. A bowl of beaver stew is an experience worth having if you're a meat eater. It's on the gamy side--kind of rich. Like chocolate flavoured meat. But do cook up your beaver well before you try it. That's OK, don't bother to thank me for sharing that... |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: GUEST,Pedantia Snootflute Date: 23 Aug 00 - 05:35 PM My dear! If it burns, please seek medical attention immediately! You can't ignore these things, you know! |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: DougR Date: 23 Aug 00 - 05:59 PM Willie-o: Thanks for that suggestion. I know Leena might appreciate a good recipe for baked beaver since she loves to cook. I know I would. What spices, for example, does one use to season a beaver? DougR |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 23 Aug 00 - 06:08 PM The rest of the tunes from Mitchell's 'Highland Fair' are also on Jack Campin's website. (You can click onto it from my homepage). Burns song is in 'The Scots Musical Museum', #309, 1792. James Dick, 'The Songs of Robert Burns', p. 461, 1903, said: A fragment of the old song is in Herd's Scots Songs, 1769, 314. Burns made a few alterations in the first stanza, the second being entirely his. ............. Wm. Stenhouse in 'Illustrations to SMM' pointed out the fragment given by Herd, and printed it, and said at that time (before 1821) he had a manuscipt copy of Burns' song in Burns' handwriting. Burns two verses fit the version of the tune in SMM once through (16 measures of 6/4 time).
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: John in Brisbane Date: 23 Aug 00 - 07:39 PM Thanks to all for the swift and eager responses. We now have another tune for the DT where it is listed as WHEN FIRST MY JAMIE HE CAM TO THE TOWN, but as I said in the first post the DT makes no mention of Burns as lyricist.
MMario, how many more to go? Regards, John
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 09:51 PM I haven't counted recently - but we should be about to go below 3000 |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Peter Kasin Date: 24 Aug 00 - 03:23 AM Art Thieme, that was hilarious! You're too much! |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: harpgirl Date: 24 Aug 00 - 06:23 PM The dance tune of the same name (Cock your Beaver) can be found in John Playford's publication "The English Dancing Master (1651). Of course we realize this simply means to tip one's hat in the direction of a possible patron, "a common gesture made by a busker or a beggar." William Lyons, 1996, The Dufay Collection. They like silver beaver in these parts... |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 24 Aug 00 - 06:32 PM The tune "Johnny cock thy beaver" first appeared in the Dancing Master in the 7th edition, 1686. See file CNTYDAN1 on my website. |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: harpgirl Date: 24 Aug 00 - 06:37 PM Bruce , are you saying the date William Lyons gives in the Dufay Collective CD by the same name is inaccurate? I am only an expert on the vicissitudes of the silver beaver, not the musical chaps of the 17th century! |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Bill D Date: 24 Aug 00 - 06:42 PM DougR....beaver spicing you want?..Beaver spicing you shall have!..Barbecued Beaver |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: harpgirl Date: 24 Aug 00 - 06:47 PM BillD...It's the brown sugar that makes them taste like chocolate... |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: DougR Date: 24 Aug 00 - 06:49 PM Wow, BillD! That sounds terrific! Now, if I can only find myself a beaver someplace. They are pretty scarce on the desert, I guess. DougR |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 24 Aug 00 - 07:00 PM Harpgirl. Quite inaccurate. See Jeremy Barlow's 'The Complete Country Dance Tunes from Playford's Dancing Master', 1985, for reprint of all the tunes, and their dates and edition #, that appeared in all editions of Vol. 1 of 'The Dancing Master', 1651 - c 1728 (but that's only for Vol. 1). My file CNTYDAN1 lists all the tunes in the last edition of vol. 2 and 3, but I don't know when these tunes first appeared, and some tunes originally in volume 1 were later moved to Vol. 2. I have two facsimile reprints (separate publications) of the 1651 edition, and there's no tune in that with 'beaver' in the title. |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: p.j. Date: 24 Aug 00 - 07:34 PM DougR- it seems to me that cumin would be appropriate spice, since you asked...
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Cluin Date: 18 Jul 07 - 10:29 PM I've got an old Derek Bell album where the last track is "Carolan's Variations on Cock Up Your Beaver". Well, I'm all for it. Variety is the spice of life, after all. |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: masato sakurai Date: 18 Jul 07 - 11:20 PM From James C. Dick's The Songs of Robert Burns (1903, p. 461): No. 277. When first my brave Johnie lad. Scots Musical Museum, 1792, No. 309., entitled Cock up your beaver. The MS., not in Burns's hand, is in the British Museum. A fragment of the old song is in Herd's Scots Songs, 1769, 314. Burns made a few alterations in the. first stanza, the second being entirely his. |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: masato sakurai Date: 18 Jul 07 - 11:29 PM D'Urfey's version ("To Horse, brave boys of Newmarket, to Horse) is in Songs compleat, pleasant and divertive, set to musick (1719), pp. 332-333 (with tune). |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 18 Jul 07 - 11:47 PM Ah! Now this thread reminds me of the old song "The Widow who keeps the 'Cock Inn'" from Pills to Purge Melancholy - which I can't put my hand for the moment, if you'll pardon the expression... Didn't see it in DT... |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Celtaddict Date: 19 Jul 07 - 01:02 AM I have always wanted to do a set pairing 'Cock Up Your Beaver' with 'Nine Inch Will Please a Lady' which, obviously, is about lace at the cuff. A haberdashery medley. |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: GUEST,Rev Date: 19 Jul 07 - 01:51 AM In Claude Simpson's "The British Broadside Ballad and Its Music" he attributes "Cock up thy Beaver" to Thomas D'Urfey, or at least he notes that the tune was first published in D'Urfey's "Choice New Songs" in 1684, as the tune for a song called "The Horse Race." The last line of the song's refrain was "Hey brave Johnnie lad, cock up your beaver." The tune also came to be known as "Johnny, cock thy beaver" and "To Horse brave Boys." |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Flash Company Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:25 AM Foolestroupe....I have the words to The Widow who keeps 'The Cock Inn' somewhere, I'll try to look them out. As I recall it is a boozers catalogue of landladies, his favourite being 'The dear little widow who keeps 'The Cock Inn'' Brian Q |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: redsnapper Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:08 AM Following Masato's link to the D'Urfey version, I tried this out at lunchtime break today with my fiddle virtuoso friend Kay. It's a fine tune (in F) with a couple of interesting twists. RS |
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Subject: RE: Cock Up Your Beaver - Burns From: Artful Codger Date: 19 Jul 07 - 07:00 PM Or, to continue the bestial theme, you could pair it with "Fly Up My Cock" (or is that an ad for Viagra?) The pieces are starting to fit together: now we know why the old woman swallowed the fly, though as for the rest... |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Cock Up Your Beaver (Robert Burns?) From: Cluin Date: 21 Feb 08 - 10:23 PM Aaaaah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ah hah ha ha ha ha ha ha Cock up your beaver! Ah ha ha hah ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha |
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