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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: iamjohnne Date: 22 Aug 01 - 04:56 PM I had no idea when I clicked on this thread what I was getting into. Doug you really did a good thing by bringing this up in the first place. I sit here a widow because my late hubby had to go back out just one last time. He was the one dui and by the grace of god didnt take anyone with him when he left this earth. Labor Day is coming folks. Stay home and party or dont drink when you drive. Johnne "Goin' where the weather suits my clothes" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Amergin Date: 22 Aug 01 - 04:24 PM A state policeman gave me a ride home one night....after arresting me...and giving me a ba....I blew under....but he was right I was still in no shape to drive...He told me that to bring a blanket with me next time....and sleep in the back seat... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 22 Aug 01 - 02:20 PM That's a new one for me, Wolfgang. In the United States, it is common for one person in a group to be the designated driver if alcohol is to be consumed. If that person is stopped, for any reason, and proves to be sober if given the test, they go on their merry way even if all of the others in the car are plastered. At least that is my understanding of the law. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Wolfgang Date: 22 Aug 01 - 02:09 PM Funny laws in funny countries: The advice some of you gave (the driver stays sober) could get you punished in Germany, for a sober driver should know better than to drive with drunk people in the car who might be so drunk as to interfere with his driving. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: SharonA Date: 22 Aug 01 - 01:30 PM PAH: Great idea! But be careful: in Pennsylvania, at least, you can be arrested for being outside, drinking and/or drunk, with the car keys in your possession (for public drinking as well as for vehicle violations), since you are still considered to be in control of the vehicle. If the law's the same where you are, it's better to wait till after you unpack and are inside for the night, kicking back in your living room, to relax with that pint. Sharon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 22 Aug 01 - 12:28 PM PAH: No, THANK YOU! Sounds like a good plan. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,PAH Date: 22 Aug 01 - 09:59 AM DougR, You seem to be a little embarrassed that the thread was started and has now been refreshed. Don't be. It has stirred up some pretty good discussion and I hope will have very positive effects, for me anyway. I ALWAYS have a "packing up the equipment" pint at the end of the night which according to some of these posts, is not the best of ideas. I am tired at the end of the night and that one pint might just be enough.....who knows? I plan on starting a new packing up tradition at my next gig, perhaps a coffee? A water? And then a beer while I'm unpacking, after the van is parked for the night. Thanks Doug, PAH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Wolfgang Date: 22 Aug 01 - 09:58 AM Threadcreep and fodder for thought: Why do some olympic sports control for alcohol as doping and exclude competitors with alcohol in the blood for the reason of unfair advantage? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Celtic Soul Date: 22 Aug 01 - 09:24 AM The problem I see with a personal breathalizer/starter is that you can falsify it, can you not? All one really need do is have someone else blow into it, and the engine starts, or am I missing some information (always possible!)? Technology is wonderful, but even the most advanced can be foiled by the unscrupulous. What we need are more conscious and considerate inhabitants of planet earth, not more laws (or technology to inforce them). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Wesley S Date: 22 Aug 01 - 09:15 AM And lets not forget all those hard working men and women called Taxi drivers. Keep their phone numbers handy when you go out. Better to pay them a few dollars then to pay the courts, the lawyers, the probation department { if you're lucky }, the insurance agents, ect...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: SharonA Date: 22 Aug 01 - 08:19 AM Clinton: I've heard that such a device (a personal breathalyzer as a standard item in your car) is in the works, but whether it will ever actually hit the market is open to question. I'd like to make another point about drinking as it relates to impairment when operating any kind of machinery: if you are taking a prescription drug, FIND OUT about its side effects when mixed with alcohol in your system. If your medication pamphlet states that you should not drink while taking it, DON'T!! If the pamphlet states the medication can affect your ability to drive, USE ADDED CAUTION and, for goodness' sake, DON'T reduce that ability further by drinking! If the pamphlet doesn't say anything about its effect on your driving abilities, ASK YOUR DOCTOR OR PHARMACIST anyway, just to make sure! Whether you think you can "beat the system" or not, you can't beat your OWN system!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST Date: 22 Aug 01 - 04:25 AM After 17 1/2 years off of alcoholic drinks, I thank God I flunked that breathalizer test. I got a new and better life than the 1 drunk year I expected to possibly live through at the time.
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 22 Aug 01 - 03:03 AM If the world was serious about cracking down on drunk drivers, there would be a breathalizer in the starter of your car, that if you blew over, would disable your car... Not likely to happen is it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 21 Aug 01 - 07:22 PM Yes, James, I sincerely wish this thread would go away and I wrote Joe Offer requesting that it be purged forever. It does not fit the criteria Max and Joe have established for purging threads so I'm stuck with it. I am pleased to note that sentiment is running 100+ to one that one should not drive when impaired, and most agree that driving after even having had one drink should be avoided. My son was arrested for DUI three years ago, and it is one of the best things that has happend to him. It cost him, to be sure. Three nights in "Tent City," and several thousand dollars. He also had to go to extensive counseling. However, since that time he WILL not even THINK of driving if he has had even a sip of alcohol. I am just grateful that he was not in an automobile accident which could have hurt or killed either himself or someone else. So post away, the thread is here as long as you wish to make use of it. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: SharonA Date: 21 Aug 01 - 07:07 PM But Marc, you stated, back in December, that you'd had one beer after your gig, then were detained "when I was just tired at 1:00 one morning." Sorry, Marc, that one doesn't fly. You weren't "just" tired, you were tired AND you'd had that beer after your gig. How long was it between the beer and the 1:00 a.m. pull-over? Let me repeat what Roger in Baltimore (an addictions professional) posted: "For most people, two drinks in one hour will put them above the 0.05 % [blood-alcohol] level. It will take two hours for the body to process most of that alcohol. A reasonable guideline then is less than one drink an hour and nothing to drink two hours before driving. You got that, class?" So if you'd had that beer less than 2 hours before you were stopped (and you don't say what size beer), you may indeed have registered as being over the legal blood-alcohol limit had you taken the Breathalyzer test. We'll never know. But I surmise, from your protest that you were "just" tired, that denial is a factor here. ---------------- For my own part, I don't play gigs in bars. I feel that I would be promoting drunk driving by presenting myself as an attraction to draw people out to a bar and drink, knowing that they would then drive home. If someone injured or killed himself or someone else driving drunk on the way home from a gig of mine, I couldn't live with myself for playing a part in that tragedy. SharonA |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Justa Picker Date: 21 Aug 01 - 06:50 PM Sorry Marc. I retract the question. I didn't read the entire thread before posting it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Justa Picker Date: 21 Aug 01 - 06:47 PM Marc, can I ask a [stupid, but obvious] question? If you weren't doing anything then why were you arrested? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: jaze Date: 21 Aug 01 - 06:11 PM Marc, we're not condemning you. It's well known laws are not always fair. And for your sake I really hope things work out. But people who are legitimately drunk and driving should be punished strongly. Too many lives are torn apart at the expense of someone's fun. I know people don't INTEND to harm or kill when they've been drinking and then drive, but everyone knows how often it happens. It's far wiser and safer for everyone just to NOT do it. And trying to beat a breathalizer is just plain stupid. Sorry, Doug R. I know you wish this would go away, but this seems to be the soapbox I've been assigned. I promise I won't prolong this any further. James |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: SharonA Date: 21 Aug 01 - 06:03 PM Marc's anecdote brings up another point: Know the drunk-driving laws in your state (or the state in which you are driving) BEFORE you drink ANYTHING alcoholic and get behind the wheel, because once you're impaired you're at a disadvantage when trying to discern the correctness or incorrectness of a policeman's statements about the law. In my state, yes, the penalties are tougher for an offender with a prior conviction, and a 3-year sentence for a repeat offender sounds similar to the law here. Was Marc a repeat offender, in this case? Not knowing the reason for which he was pulled over, nor what his blood-alcohol level was, I cannot say. But one of the points of this thread is that ANY alcohol consumed will impair one's driving to SOME extent. Even "one beer" can affect your ability to concentrate and to react quickly enough to make a split-second maneuver that would avoid an accident. When "GUEST,Frank Five" refreshed this thread, he said: "...one should be innocent until proven guilty and until a crime is committed." Agreed that, legally, one should be CONSIDERED innocent... but if you drink more than the legal limit and then drive, you ARE committing a crime whether you are convicted or simply arrested or even not caught! And if you drink LESS than the legal limit and then drive, you may have a reason to proclaim your innocence of a crime in the courts, but it's still an unwise, dangerous thing to do. In the sense that one knowingly, purposefully does something that endangers his life and the lives of others, one is certainly not "innocent". Best course of action to avoid legal hassles AND potential tragedy: don't drive if you have had ANYTHING alcoholic to drink, and don't drink ANYTHING alcoholic if you are going to drive the same day! No excuses, no attempts to "beat" the system or the machinery, no "just" one beer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Marc Date: 21 Aug 01 - 05:02 PM Just because this was refreshed. I was arrested on 7/21/00,(see above post 12/17/00). Finally in Jan.'01, a not guilty plea was excepted, however not untill I signed a form waving my right to speedy trial,( the Constitutional Right to a just and speedy trial is evidently reserved for those willing to plea bargain). Prior to my plea I was being threatened with 120 days. Upon accepting my plea, His Honor informed me that should I be convicted, he would see to it I do 3 years. It's been 13 mounths since my arrest, I've yet to recieve a trial date, and I'm still not sure how far into the future I should book. I wasn't doing anything, and most of you folk sound like you think this treatment is justified. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Gareth Date: 21 Aug 01 - 03:10 PM A file passed my desk this morning. Drunk, dont matter who, dont matter where in the UK. Head on collision. Score so far.
Human Cost 1 - Drunk DOA
Financial Estimated cost to insurance company ? ie what it will cost at the end of the day. say £1,700,000.00 say US$ 3,000,000.00 including legal fees. All of which has ultimately to be paid for by other motorists. And no, this disaster will not be comemorated in song. No posthumous decoration like "John Axon". No "Scotch Lords at his feet". No "Lord Mayor of London's collecting". Does any IDIOT still think it clever to drink and drive ? Gareth
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Celtic Soul Date: 21 Aug 01 - 10:56 AM OK, my apologies to all. I really should have read the responses before going off half cocked. There are few things like this subject to get ones heart pounding, especially those of us with kids. My apologies for allowing my maternal instincts to override my netiquette.
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Celtic Soul Date: 21 Aug 01 - 10:33 AM I haven't even read the responses to know if this is redundant, I apologize to the other members of the 'Cat if so. That said: I am more than a little outraged that anyone would: A) *want* to do such, and B) Think to post same to the internet. There are thousands of lives lost every year due to people doing this very thing. If you want to get stewed, do it at home, get a friend to drive you, take a taxi, walk, whatever. But stay the hell out from behind the wheel!
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 21 Aug 01 - 10:22 AM Heerself and I have a fool-proof method: I drink, she drives. More of a problem is the increased number of speed cameras. I'm getting a rictus from smiling at them all. RtS ("Smile? So that's why they never recognise you!") |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: JedMarum Date: 21 Aug 01 - 10:01 AM ... for all this 'don't drive if you drink' talk, I find it amazing that every day when I work I see rooms full of people drinking alcohol, sometimes for hours on end - and then they all get in their cars and drive home. As a musician when I drive home at 1, 2 or 3 in the morning, every night I see drivers on the road who are obviously drunk. And the bars full of people are all over town, and this same behavior occurs in every town in America. Let's face it; we don't practice what we preach! We don't really want 'no drink and drive' laws. Reasonable blood alcohol level standards, and quick accurate tests (like the breath tests) should be one effective means of enforcing drunk driving laws ... but we must take drunk driving convictions very seriously and assign strong punitive punishments, we must press the criminality of accidents, injuries and deaths on those who drive drunk, and we must effectively prohibit habitual drunk drivers from the roads. Because most Americans have some level of sympathy with drinking and driving, we allow too much leniency in the enforcement of the drun driving laws we have. We give too many second, third, fourth chances, juries too often and easily acquit drunk driving defendents, and we do not support very strict drunk driving legislation. I don't drink, so it's easy for me to say; first drunk driving conviction is jail time, in a lock-up rehab program, loss of license for one year, no easy ways out. Subsequent convictions progress through harsher punishments. But we are a very tolerant society, and we always hope the offender will learn, and if someone expresses regret for their actions, we want to treat them as kindly as possible. So we allow drinking and driving to be abused by many - and suffer the consequences when drunks kill us, our families or our police officers. Most people enjoy a drink or few ... and most people are mindful of their drinking when they have to drive. The line of limit is a bit vague, and we do not always know if we've had too much or if we're OK - so we are sympathetic to those who are caught by strict drunk driving laws. But I know, because of years of experience in bars, pubs, festivals, that many people drink way too much and then drive ... they are NOT the ones with whom we should be sympathetic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Jaze Date: 21 Aug 01 - 09:52 AM Dear Frank Five; What about all the innocent people killed by drunk drivers?? They rarely kill themselves you know. My beautiful 15 y/o daughter and two 16 y/o boys were killed last sept. by a drunk driver. What about their freedom and right to live out their lives?? You go find a country that doesn't care about protecting people's freedom to live at the expense of stupid people who can't control themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Cobble Date: 20 Aug 01 - 02:04 PM There are two ways to beat the breathalizer.. If you Drink DON'T DRIVE If you Drive DON'T DRINK Mrs C. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Butch Date: 19 Aug 01 - 01:35 PM I will make this simple, beat the brewath test and I find out, then the only thing beaten will be you! I am not a violent man, BUT, I was a police officer from 1986-1995. A drunk blew out my knees with his Buick. I will never walk witout pain again. Is this bad--- NO. I lived! I am now a volunteer friefighter. I see many who are mamed and killed every year by A--holes who think they can beat the breath test. Just do me two favors: 1) Don't tell me you ever drive drunk, you won't like me when I am mad 2) When (not if) you finally crash, don't kill anyone else. You won't like God when HE is mad either! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 19 Aug 01 - 11:49 AM Nope, Garg, not guilty. I'd like to see this thread permanently eliminated. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 19 Aug 01 - 02:07 AM gargoyle-Doug did not refresh this thread, a Guest did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,'gargoyle Date: 19 Aug 01 - 01:49 AM Doug R
WHY DID YOU BRING THIS SHIT UP AGAIN....????
It is old and exhausted!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Mark Clark Date: 19 Aug 01 - 01:49 AM A Breathalyzer® measures the amount of alcohol in expired air. The alcohol comes from blood passing through the lungs and, along with carbon dioxide and stuff, is exchanged for oxygen. Any method one uses to get alcohol into one's bloodstream should cause it to register on the Breathalyzer. Here in Iowa, refusal to take a Breathalyzer test will result in a much longer license suspension if convicted. On the other hand, without evidence from a Breathalyzer, it's much more difficult to convict. Don't drink and drive! - Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,GUEST of a .garyole's ...gargoyle Date: 19 Aug 01 - 01:46 AM You CANNOT beat a BLOOD test
However, as mentioned in a previous MC posting.....and since we are ALL musicians of "one sort or another"..... and since this is a muscical "technique" it is "worthy" of discussion within THIS forum....... M.A.D viewpoints be damned!!!!(Someone has illegally accessed my driving records.....and knows my arrests!)
If you understand the playing of a wind-instrument....you also understand how a brass/woodwind player is able to "extend-the-note/breath" by "sucking-in through the nose" while "blowing-out through the lungs."
This creates a phenominum of physics, (observed both in water and gasses) known as the "Venturi Effect." In regard to a "breathalizer test"....this "refined musical technique" permits the blending of "non-bodily-outside-air" with "lung-capacity-air." Therefore, the reading could register below the given state's requirment.....IF DONE OCRRECTLY!!!!(Wind people you know what I mean.
Personally,.... my own personal musical-coordination GOES TO HELL,...after less than half of a beer....If you expect to play well...stay sober and let those who are paying your fees party-hearty.....When its ALL OVER then "have brew with crew."
Moved to a small state, with far fewer stop lights.... to avoid the "madness" of the metropolitan areas....which, from necessity, REQUIRE sober drivers, to differentiate between green and red. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 19 Aug 01 - 01:04 AM Fellow Catters, if you know a way to beat the breathalyser please keep it to yourself, it could encourage people to drink and drive.The drink drive laws are there for a very good reason, the figures speak for themselves, in the UK a quater of all the people killed on the roads are above the drink drive limit. In 1991 I was convicted of drink driving, I was fined heavily, lost my licence and my job ( I am a delivery driver), I was lucky, I could have lost my life or ruined somebody elses.I will NEVER drink and drive again, even a small amount of alcohol can affect your driving skills, I was lucky enough to find a job, I have driven thousands of miles, and seen enough accidents to know it is just not worth it.People often discuss how they can fool speed cameras, radar detectors, fancy number plates etc, the answer is easy just don't speed. Guest Frank-You are welcome to call me nazi or fascist if you like, but I have seen people die on the roads,(not pleasant).john |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 19 Aug 01 - 12:54 AM Thank you Guest Frank Five for revitalizing a thread I wish I had never started. If your purpose is to creat chaos, you've made a pretty good start. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Frank Five Date: 19 Aug 01 - 12:23 AM To all of the folks out there who said "Don't Drink and Drive" and point to the legality of the matter, I say this...one should be innocent until proven guilty and until a crime is committed. Those who opt for safety before freedom do not deserve to live in a free country. There are plenty of communist, facist, socialist countries in the world where you are welcome to live. I suggest you move there. As for the original question...I would like to hear of some geunine scientific way to beat a breathalizer test. I've heard that Zimas dont register, but I can't confirm that. The long term solution will be to weed our country of the facist and paranoid prudes who help litter our legal system with things like drunk driving laws....or maybe technology will provide us with auto pilot cars/roads in our lifetime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Wolfgang Date: 21 Dec 00 - 10:25 AM Spaw, I wouldn't have withheld the name of the driver if I would have been even moderately sure. If pressed I'd say it was Clay Regazzoni, but would be far from betting on it. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Dec 00 - 10:15 AM Good points Wolfgang. BTW...Keke Rossberg? To Blackcat's defense in a way, I believe he lives in a state (Florida) where there really are an inordinate number of elderly people behind the wheel and its a much discussed problem. I've spent a good bit of time in Florida and in certain areas playing "Dodge the Coot" is a necessity and heightens your defensive driving skills. Also, Karen's grandparents moved to Florida in their late 70's and one of the most frightening times I have EVER spent in any vehicle (and I raced a few) was going out to supper one evening with her grandad driving. On the one hand, I like to play the freedom game too and it was scary to watch the "Smoking Legislation" take effect. On the other hand, drunks/impaired drivers behind the wheel are a helluva' lot scarier to me than some fatass cigar smoker. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Wolfgang Date: 21 Dec 00 - 08:05 AM blt, the empirical response to your question is most probably 'yes' (depending upon the age from which on you say 'elderly'), but that should not matter. Why not? The legal systems I know do mostly not acknowledge individual differences in abilities when it comes to having violated the traffic law. Many years ago, one of the world's top drivers (formula 1 car racing) was heavily fined in Switzerland when he drove more than twice as fast as the speed limit. He argued that due to his outstanding reaction time and abilities even at this speed he was at least as safe a driver as any normal driver at the allowed speed. The judge said that he was definitely less save than he was when driving at the allowed speed and that the only correct comparison is the person himself under different circumstances. Imagine a world in which the speed limit (or the legal amount of alcohol) is decided individually and a young person (with a good reaction time) is allowed a higer speed than his grandad and the heavy drinker (for being used to the intoxication) is allowed a higher amount of alcohol. Doesn't work. The relevant decision in Germany was a young driver who had an accident while driving listening to music so loud that he was unable to hear the police siren. He said that he was innocent since deaf persons are allowed to drive in Germany and they also cannot hear sirens. He was declared guilty for disabeling himself by loud music and it was stated that he was driving less safe than he could have and that the ability of a really deaf driver is not the correct comparison. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: blt Date: 21 Dec 00 - 01:20 AM Blackcatter, let me get this straight--are you saying that someone who has had enough alcohol in their system to fail a breathilizer test (that's about one beer or one shot of the hard stuff or one glass of wine per hour, in most states)or even more than enough, is somehow a safer driver than someone who is elderly? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: dick greenhaus Date: 20 Dec 00 - 06:14 PM Blackcatter- I'm not advocating (nor practicing) drunk driving. And I realize the legality of Breathalizer testing--I just question its morality. How about if someone decided that Afro-Americans (or Jews, or women or any other group) were more likely to be involved in accidents than the "average" driver? Would it be proper to deny them their driving privileges? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: alison Date: 20 Dec 00 - 01:56 AM Yep they have done surveys which show that driving home after your first night on night duty (subsequent nights aren't as bad because you should have had some sleep)your reaction times are the same as those who have had a few drinks (I can't remember exactly... but I think it was euivalent to just over the legal alcohol limit)...... I have worked permanent nights for 9 years, luckily where I work now, we get the chance for a short lie down (makes all the difference), but I know plenty of nurses who have "run into the back of someone" or had to pull off the road to have a sleep on the way home....... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Blackcatter Date: 19 Dec 00 - 11:55 PM Greetings all Like it was said somewhere above, Breathalizer tests are not, in any way, an infringement of rights. You do not have a right to drive a car - the state treats it as a privilage - like any other privilage it is subject to certain requirements - one being that in most states (if not all) signing your driver's license is signing a contract that you agree to take any and all sobriety tests the state asks you to take. That's why it is a crime to refuse to take a test. I would recommend (as stated above) that if you feel that your are under the legal limit that you request a blood test - they are much more accurate and you get to meet those charming jail nurses! Pax yall |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: dick greenhaus Date: 19 Dec 00 - 05:52 PM Just a philosophical point. Drinking (in most places) isn't illegal. What a breathalizer test does is to identify potential bad drivers. Which seems to be suspiciously like profiling. Innit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,Car Talk fan Date: 19 Dec 00 - 05:43 PM I worked with someone whose friend was a nurse, working late, who killed a young man while driving home. She was bitterly upset about that and the subsequent court appearances, having been legally under the limit (she'd had one beer). The concensus was that she'd been impaired, not by the alcohol, but by her state of exhaustion. When are we going to insist that it's stupid for medical personnel to work when half their brain wants to be asleep? When are we going to quit worshipping Juggernaut? Visit cars.com, and the Car Talk campaign "Drive now, Talk later" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: Blackcatter Date: 19 Dec 00 - 04:10 PM Greetings all The sad thing is that while we are very serious when it comes to driving while chemically impaired, we allow millions of elderly drivers to continue on - and many times the police and prosecuters give them breaks after causing accidents. Few drunk drivers are so blitzed that they loose all regard for themselves and others. The most dangerous effects of using alcohol and other drugs and then driving are actually the diminishment of reaction time and the diminished ability to estimate distances. Unfortunately, aging has the same effect. How many millions of drivers are out there every day driving as if they are intoxicated? I guess it's a good thing most of them don't do too much drinking. pax yall |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: DougR Date: 19 Dec 00 - 03:46 PM Thanks, Kris, for posting that last message. Perhaps posting it was for the best, but when I saw it pop up agian, Arghhhhhhhhhh was all that came to mind. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: KingBrilliant Date: 19 Dec 00 - 07:08 AM Doug - all I meant was that it's unfortunate when what is intended as a light-hearted conversational gambit turns out, on reflection, not to have been a good idea. Which is what I assume has happened. It happens to most people sometimes, but in verbal conversation it is more transient. Unfortunately, in threads things persist & as I was reading the responses I was feeling more & more sorry for the hapless original poster. I've been in the same boat on occasion (well, similar anyway) and just wanted to express some fellow-feeling. As you say, it has proved a worthwhile thread - and I'm sure has been a very timely reminder of the consequences of drink-driving - but I think really I was just responding to your 'Arggggg' posting when it came back after three months. Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Dec 00 - 05:23 AM Being drunk as a skunk ten minutes after he gets home isn't relevant, nothing to report. Nor is having an open beer can, it's not the beer in the cant that matters, it's only after it gets inside you there's any harm.
I suppose there are places where having an open can when you're a driver counts as some kind of offence, but that's technical stuff.
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Subject: RE: BS: Beat the breathalizer? From: GUEST,GUEST Date: 18 Dec 00 - 11:44 PM My neighbor comes home from work every night with an openbeer can. Ten minutes after he is home,he is drunk as a skunk. that's because he immediately goes for the hard stuff. If Ireport him to the troopers he could lose his license & his job & his house. His Mother & Father would be out on the street. This is what stops me. What would you do? |