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Subject: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Allan C. Date: 27 Oct 00 - 10:50 AM Lately I have been noticing yet another way in which folk music is "alternative". Take a look at virtually all of the female pop and country music stars. Nearly all of them got into the limelight not only because of their talents, but also because of their physical attributes. In my opinion some of them have far more of the latter than of the former. One of the things I truly admire about folkies is that physical appearance seems to have little to do with their enjoyment of female artists. This is not to say that the male audience has no appreciation for physical beauty. It just seems to me that, for the most part, it is about the music. Personally, a woman who can put her heart into a good folksong can get my attention every time. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Jed at Work Date: 27 Oct 00 - 10:55 AM "a woman who can put her heart into a good folksong can get my attention every time" agreed Allan! There are a few female voices I've heard for the first time and I thought to myself, 'I don't care what this woman looks like, I'd follow her to the ends of the earth!' Singing is all about opening a window to your heart, and there, afterall, is where beauty and grace live. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: NicP Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:00 AM With ref to Jed's comment about following women with beautiful voices to the ends of the earth, I heard a woman sing at Sidmouth in 1990 and decided to marry her before I'd seen her. Were still together. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: kendall Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:01 AM No arguement here! |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:08 AM Is this the fault of the pop video/MTV etc? In the "good old days" singers were judged on their sound over the airwaves and on shellac, as well as by a smaller live audience. Most of the great women jazz and blues singers wouldn't have been successful catwalk models (in the case of Mama Thornton she'd have terrified the horses) but who cared? I'd rather have Ella, Billie (H),Sarah, Etta,Bessie, Ma,etc.than Britney, Kylie,Louise etc, but the youngsters are good to watch with the sound off! RtS (sad old git) |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Steve Latimer Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:19 AM Video Killed the Radio Star. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Naemanson Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:37 AM Ah, the sweet sound of the voice and the creative brush of fingers on an instrument makes up for any woman's inability to look like those pop stars. And their talent ensures that they will continue to be popular with us far longer than those pretty children that are such a flash in the pan. And always remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Once you get past the stereotyped imagery imposed on the masses by the movies and TV you can look deeper into a person and see that he or she has experienced life as it is meant to be lived. They have laughed, cried, worked hard, played gently, loved and lost, loved and kept, felt the lift of the seasons changing and can put all of that into the music that flows from the soul. Let's see those pretty children try that! |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: GUEST,Matt_R Date: 27 Oct 00 - 12:01 PM HEY, they're not all brainless twits. Take a listen to Fiona Apple. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 27 Oct 00 - 12:05 PM Absolutely right AllanC. But a pretty woman will have my undivided and immediate attention, regardless of talent. Aint nature a wonderful thing? LOL yours, Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Big Mick Date: 27 Oct 00 - 12:07 PM Poor dears! In their world they get to see the wrappings, but in my world I see their souls. And I am madly in love with what I see. Just thinking back on the Getaway, I got to look inside of Lisa Null, Karen Kobela, Caroline Paton, and Lani Herrmann as they shared songs with us that could only come from that place where few get to go. And I am in love with those women and the absolute beauty they project. P.J., Jenny, Judy, Dani, Kath W, Tinker, Rita, Sondra, Vixen, Bonnie, Jennifer.................on and on. Only the lucky few get to share in this wealth. We folkies are lucky people. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: GUEST,Matt_R Date: 27 Oct 00 - 12:08 PM Or think about Queen, when they first came out. Freddie Mercury had a BFA in Art, drummer Roger Taylor has a Master's degree in Biology, bass player John Deacon has a Master's with Honors in Electric engineering, and guitarist Brian May has a Ph.D in astrophysics. They suffered through everything from poverty to Brian's life-threating bout of hepatitus...Just because you look flashy on stage oand you're famous, doesn't mean there isn't something deeper just under the surface. Look for it next time you watch MTV...wait, why are you watching it in the first place? |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: GutBucketeer Date: 27 Oct 00 - 12:12 PM Yep Allan you certainly are right! I think it has somehting to do with where the music is coming from. The popular country stars certainly are svelt. They are entertainers. When I see them though I don't get the feeling that their music or their appearance is coming from within. They may not wear rhinestones and wigs anymore, but they are sitll putting on a personae. Contrast this with folkies! Often, an inner glow, conviction, connection with the muse, or something seems to surround them (men or women). This makes them beautiful beyond compare! For evidence of this just look at the pictures from the getaway by Bill D: Lisa Null caught in bliss between two harps; A profile of Jeri in soft light; Judy Cook singing; Dani concentrating; PJ at one with the Bodrhan; The permanent smile on the Pattons faces; Vixen and Reynard singing; Jen with guitar; the list goes on and on. What beauty! It encourages! It inspires! (It makes me wonder what an ugly old f**t like me is doing there) :-) JAB |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Jeri Date: 27 Oct 00 - 12:28 PM I've noticed that some women AND MEN positively glow when they sing. They may be physically attractive otherwise, or may just look like most people. (Most folks have some attractive features and others that aren't so attractive.) But get them into a song, and they can shine like diamonds! ...hmmm - sounds like a good subject for a song! :-) |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Big Mick Date: 27 Oct 00 - 12:43 PM Jeri, is the perfect example of her own point. She is a very good looking woman to begin with. But I am thinking to the workshop down by the pool. She stood up in her typical, somewhat timid, manner. But when she sank into that song with that wonderful voice of hers, the strength and beauty just started to flow. Keep singing woman. You are very good. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: bbelle Date: 27 Oct 00 - 12:59 PM Mick and Jim ... Your words are the nicest and most heartfelt I've ever heard. I haven't felt pretty for a long time but maybe my soul shines through more than I imagined. Thank you. jenny |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Oct 00 - 01:18 PM Confession. I was sure that a good number of my male Mudcat correspondence would dry up once I posted my photo. How wrong I was. It's as pungent and silly and frisky as ever. I posted it anyway feeling like the time had come to see what would actually happen. I counted on some of you seeing ME. I did not know most of you would. In fact, the only one that didn't-- I posted it knowing that would send him far from me, and thanked God I had a tool at hand that would. The rest of you have been there when I needed more than I could have anticipated, and helped in such a way that I knew you must have really seen me all along. Now be dears, boys, and go click that pink ribbon in the Breasts, Again thread, again. Another thing about folkies. The men in it do not limit what they think a woman is supposed to be, much. As your comments above reflect powerfully, it isn't just the packaging expectations that can be limits. In the other circles I move in, left and right, there are definite limits. I can barely move without going over the limit to the left, or the one to the right. (I move anyway.) But folkie men, and MudMen in particular, care first that we sing or make or feel music-- and not perfectly, no, or even real well, not even that limit-- just that we do it from the heart and soul. In this world, that's a pretty amazing thing for a girl to run up against. I know I'm not the only one who feels that way. I love all my dear MudMen for it. And I begin to expect it elsewhere, too; I think that is even better for the world than it is for me. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Doctor John Date: 27 Oct 00 - 02:22 PM Isla StClair. Beautiful lady, beautiful singing voice, beautiful speaking voice, beautiful personality... just beautiful! Dr John |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Jeri Date: 27 Oct 00 - 02:25 PM Mick, thanks for the kind words. I've never thought of myself as attractive and it never really bothered me. Praise - I don't think most of us got past your smile! I think most of us, as we age, develop a better ability to see. We learn how to tune out distractions so we can see what's really there. There are people who look for the negatives in anything - reasons to dislike things or people. Most of us (I would hope) look for positives. There's something beautiful about everyone, and all it takes to see it is to look for it. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: mousethief Date: 27 Oct 00 - 02:37 PM Praise, where's this alleged photo? I don't see one among the Mudcat Photos under "Praise." Am I just stoopid? (Well okay, I'm stoopid, I know, but why can't I find it?)
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Catrin Date: 27 Oct 00 - 03:22 PM This thread warms me up! So often we (or perhaps I mean 'I') listen to media hype which suggests that men only go for physical beauty. Sometimes I meet men (like at work) who confirm that stereotype. It does me good to be reminded that not all men are so shallow, in the same way that not all blondes are dumb etc. Stereotypes are dangerous and confining. Cheers, Catrin (feeling beautiful) |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Steve Latimer Date: 27 Oct 00 - 03:27 PM Okay, I have to admit that Emmylou's voice isn't the only thing I find beautiful about her. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: mousethief Date: 27 Oct 00 - 03:43 PM Whoever said beauty is only skin deep was a liar. Pretty is only skin deep, perhaps. Cute is only skin deep, perhaps. But real beauty shines out from within. "Society" (which in this context probably means "teenagers with disposable income") may think more of women with mediocre voices but bodies and faces which conform to the current standard of "beauty," but "society" is a very fickle audience and will throw off one cutie when the next one comes along. Meanwhile really beautiful women and men are the ones whose beauty shines from within. For example, look at photos of Mississippi John Hurt from the 1960's, with a guitar in his lap. Look at the expression on his face. THAT is beauty. To "society" he may look like an ugly old black man. But to someone who is able to see, really see, he is beautiful. Every time I see my lady, I smile. Is she shaped like Christy Brinkley? No. Is her face like Vivian Leigh's? No. Is her body two grapefruit on a popsicle stick, like Britney Spears? No. But she's beautiful to me, and that's good enough for me. I'm a lucky man. Not all men are shallow, Catrin. And don't give up on the men who are currently shallow. Some of us took a long time to learn how to look deep within, and see what really matters -- to see that real beauty which "society" cannot.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Catrin Date: 27 Oct 00 - 03:53 PM Mousethief - The expression on MJH's face is true beauty as are the expressions on yours and your wife's (just visited your website - summer fruits!). Makes me think of warm sunny days. Cheers, Catrin |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: GUEST,Augie Doggie & Doggie Daddy Date: 27 Oct 00 - 03:58 PM Hey Mousethief, When we opened your webpage, we saw the picture of you and your lady. Very nice. You look like you have a nice complexion. Then we went inside, clicked on your rap sheet and found another picture. In this picture you've got zits. What gives? Did you enhance that first one, or what? AD & DD |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: mousethief Date: 27 Oct 00 - 04:19 PM Zits are not permanent. They pop up, look nasty, then heal and go away. When the older picture was taken, I was a lot younger and greasier. At that time I had zits. At the time of the newer picture, my complexion was clear. Do you always make such bizarre comments? Just wondering.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: GUEST,Augie Doggy & Doggie Daddy Date: 27 Oct 00 - 04:49 PM Hey Mousetheif, Do you have a secret? Clearasil? Giving up chocolate? Have you maintained your nice complexion since that newer picture was taken? We're sure you must enjoy being zit-free. AD & DD |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: mousethief Date: 27 Oct 00 - 04:56 PM Growing up. You should try it.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: SINSULL Date: 27 Oct 00 - 04:56 PM mousethief, My Mets lost. I had no hot water this morning. And my bronchitis is back. BUT I awoke to find this reassuring thread from Allan that Mudcat women are beautiful. My question to all the Mudact males is: Are we still beautiful unwashed (no hot water), glum ( I am a bad loser), and hacking up green and yellow stuff (bronchitis)? Actually, I am just trying to pull this thread back on track. Zits have been covered amply elsewhere. And mouse... your lady is beautiful. Her soul shines through her eyes. Treat her well. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: mousethief Date: 27 Oct 00 - 05:02 PM I try, Sins. I really do. I'm sorry about your Mets. I was rooting for them. It obviously wasn't enough. I've never met you, Sins, but from what I've observed here, I'd say the bronchitis and the glumminess don't harm your beauty a bit. Although if you continue unwashed for very long, I might have to say it from farther and father away.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Oct 00 - 05:04 PM I'll take some issue with Mick here.............I don't need to hear them sing or even talk. I read the words they give us here and that's all I need. I don't know about folkies per se, but we have a very beautiful group of women here at the 'Cat. Just as I have heard voices I am immediately struck by (Steve Latimer's sister for example), I have come to know the words of the many here and I am completely taken with the beauty I "see." Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Big Mick Date: 27 Oct 00 - 05:08 PM Alex, the beauty radiates from her. She is as obviously beautiful as AD & DD are obviously immature and uncomfortable with others receiving praise for their gifts. I feel badly that these poor folks feel so insecure about themselves that they must try to take the shine off others. AD & DD, why don't you try expressing honest emotion in song. We will then say things nice about you. See how it works? Mick |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: mousethief Date: 27 Oct 00 - 05:13 PM Here's a pome I wrote for my wife. Just to lighten the mood here a little. Happily Ever After
How strange we'd think a man's biography © 1999 Alex E. Riggle - All Rights Reserved. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Oct 00 - 05:30 PM Sins, we kinda' cross posted, but though I wouldn't recognize you if you came up and bit me in the ass (invitation), I KNOW so much of you that I am convinced of your beauty. You have indeed become one of my favorite people. So stay warm and snug, take a big hug from Ol' Spaw, and when your nephew starts gloating, kick him in the ass! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: JenEllen Date: 27 Oct 00 - 06:55 PM Love ya to bits, Sins...(clothespin pinched solidly on my nose!!) Same goes for all the MudCat Luverlies. Showed this thread to the mister, and he agreed wholeheartedly. There is something about a woman who's not afraid to let life touch her. REAL life, not the plastic that's been shoved down our collective throats via television. Our gals seem to be content letting life's layers of happy and sad drape their souls. He said he fell over 8 years ago, sight unseen, when he heard me laughing. We were at a mutual friend's house for a barbeque. No coy fluttering of eyelashes and tittering, just a woman who knew how to laugh. You MudMen need to take a little bit of the credit for the beauty around you. There isn't a one of you here that hasn't at one time or another been a soft shoulder, a drinking buddy, a fellow prankster, or just a plain good friend. With that kind of love and support, it's easy to let your light shine through. Heat seeking smooches sent 'round the globe, ~Elle
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Oct 00 - 06:56 PM Alex, it's in the Event Pages, Praise Visits Amos and Barky, August 12, 2000. I'd go there to make a link for you but I am going to go see you and your Mrs. instead. Jeri, that was awful nice. I never saw that I smile like that till I saw that picture. It gives me a lot to think about. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: GUEST,Murray MacLeod Date: 27 Oct 00 - 07:07 PM Spaw, I know that I am one of your favourite people too, so does that mean I have an invitation to bite your ass as well ? Murrau |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Oct 00 - 07:14 PM Yes Murray and please make an appointment. Be sure to tell the scheduler that its for an ass biting as opposed to an ass kicking, although the schedules are pretty full for both. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Matt_R Date: 27 Oct 00 - 08:15 PM Well, I may be cynical in my young age...but I've learned to trust no one. And I've listened to girls...always have...over physical appearance. So far, I've heard nothing that piqued my interest. They are viciously sarcastic, have foul mouths, and complain 24/7...just put on the ol' Mbo sneer and keep on walking. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: SINSULL Date: 27 Oct 00 - 09:27 PM Matt! You little bastard! I have never been viciously sarcastic. Foul mouthed - occasionally when the occasion warranted it. Whiny - well who isn't? But never sarcastic - that was irony. You can't make me dislike you! You can't make me dislike you! NA NA NA ! I love MAATT! I love MAATT! |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: CarolC Date: 27 Oct 00 - 09:50 PM I hope Spaw's right about the words, because I can't sing. I hope when I become a better accordion player, people will see my soul shining through my playing. Right now, they probably just see someone who looks like she's trying to wrestle with an octopus. Carol |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Bill D Date: 27 Oct 00 - 09:50 PM There are SO many lovely, vibrant, happy women in those pictures and in threads with NO pictures yet. Making music seems to bring it out...and the soul that MAKES music (especially the kind of music we shared at the Getaway) is usually the kind I like...The guy who wrote the fiddle tune "Cherish the Ladies" had the right idea. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Max Tone Date: 27 Oct 00 - 10:22 PM To Natalie MacMaster, Jenny Gardener, Corrina Hewat, Alison Johnston, Kate Rusby, Clare Maclaughlin, Kathryn Tickell, Maggie frae Itchy Fing'rs, Clarsach players and all women, however they present themselves normally, but who suddenly shine when playing ------we love you Rob |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Sorcha Date: 27 Oct 00 - 10:27 PM Oh dear--I think I'm gonna cry now..........and hope all the above includes the NotSingers as well. I have to admit I am not nearly as "cute" as the first loading photo says I am; I really look more like the 2nd. Square face, square jaw, but big smile. Aw, jeez, guys, this really is serious stuff for us Not Model Types, ya know? Matt, you can't make me hate you either, nyah nyah. And I agree about Fiona. Seinad O'Connor aint bad either. Maybe I'll cut off some more of my hair.......... |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: bflat Date: 27 Oct 00 - 10:37 PM Beautiful is not limited to women. Beautiful to me is a description of the person, period. I don't care if they are MTV regular or irrregulars. Look to the inner person and sometimes the exterior reflects the core. The core is constant. Reminds me of a "Twilight Zone" show titled "Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beholder." If you are interested in a recap I will post but otherwise, you can probably surmise the story line. bflat
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Max Tone Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:00 PM Hey, bflat, I take it you're a Horn (or pipe) player and therefore have inside knowledge of beautiful women! Rob |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Tinker Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:20 PM Wow! As the years and the pounds add... the sincerity here hits a very special place. Thanks Tinker |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Allan C. Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:29 PM I assure you, bflat, that none of the many 'Catters (or any other folkwomen I have met so far bear even the slightest resemblance to those pictured in that episode. Now the guys, well that's a whole 'nother thing... Not really. As has been expressed so beautifully by many above, all folkies tend to take on a beauty all their own when they are with the music of their hearts. I know I directed this thread at the women. But I think you all recognize that there is a beauty which eminates from all who find their souls in music. Witnessing this is almost a religious experience. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: GUEST,Murray MacLeod Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:37 PM I thought I was the only one who felt like this. Allan's summing up says it all. Murray |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: SINSULL Date: 28 Oct 00 - 12:18 AM Allan is definitely in line for "Snog of the Week". Hope Morty is reading this. Someone recently dragged out some pictures of my brother's wedding 25 years ago. There was an absolutely stunning woman dressed in red, no jewelry who simply glowed from the photos. I asked who it was - uh huh, it was me. Funny, 25 years later I finally feel as beautiful as I was. All I can remember about that day is feeling fat. |
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Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful! From: Naemanson Date: 28 Oct 00 - 06:42 AM Catspaw is absolutely right. I ought to have my ass kicked for not thinking of it earlier. It isn't the music but the thoughts and the love that shines. Any room on that ass kicking schedule, Spaw? Somone above commented on not having met many MudWomen. Neither have I. Yet I feel as though I know some of them very well. It adds an interesting dimension to meeting someone for the first time and having already engaged in long heart conversations. And yet I am going to meet a bunch of 'catters face to face in about 22 days in NH. I am really looking forward to that. Some old friends have never met. |
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