Subject: Minorie From: Gypsy Date: 28 Nov 00 - 10:33 PM Well, my friend is looking for these lyrics by Ewan MacColl, and can't find them anywhere. Sez that she posted, but I can't find the bloody post! Anyone able to help? Or to point me in the right direction? Thanks, all! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 29 Nov 00 - 01:06 AM It's a version of 'The Two Sisters', Child #10, that MacColl said he learned from his father. It's on an LP- Washington #715. (Originally issued on the Riverside label.) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: Gypsy Date: 29 Nov 00 - 11:07 AM Thank you kindly, Bruce O. She has the album, but can't quite translate the lyrics accurately. Anyone out there have them? Thanks, all |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: harpmolly Date: 29 Nov 00 - 11:58 AM er...I thought it was Binnorie? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: Diva Date: 29 Nov 00 - 05:06 PM Thats just what I was going to say. "Binourie" sung by Erland Voy on "Bonnie Mill Dams" by The Clutha |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: Gypsy Date: 29 Nov 00 - 06:43 PM I would agree, but....went to MacColl website, and the track listed is indeed Minorie. Maybe same song different spellings? |
Subject: Lyr Add: BINNORIE^^^ From: John in Brisbane Date: 29 Nov 00 - 08:54 PM Here's Binnorie from the DT: BINNORIE
There lived twa sisters in yonder ha'.
It fell aince upon a day...
O sister O sister will ye gang to the brooms,...
O sister O sister will ye gang to the dams...
They hidna been half an hour at the brooms...
They hidna been an hour at the dams...
The youngest ane she stood on a stane...
She swam up an she swam down...
Sister O Sister will ye reach me yere glove...
It wisna for that, that I dang ye in,...
Oot cam the aul' mullart's daughter to the dams...
O father O father go a-fishing your dams...
They socht up an they socht down...
Some o them kent her by her skin so fair...
Some o them kent her by her goon o silk...
Mony a ane was at her oot takin...
*din=dun, dark |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 29 Nov 00 - 09:39 PM Gypsy, the lyrics are in the leaflet that came with the album> Among the 97 tunes for the ballad (Child # 10) in Bronson's The Traditional tunes of the Child Ballads,I, #10, we find in the titles:
Binnorie, Scots 7 I didn't check possible additions in the appendices to the other volumes, The lyrics from a real traditional version of a song are by definition correct, no matter how you think it should go. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: Wavestar Date: 29 Nov 00 - 09:47 PM But that doesn't mean you can't adapt them, as a dozen people have done before you... -J |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 29 Nov 00 - 11:40 PM But then it's not a real traditional version. |
Subject: Lyr Add: MINNORIE (sung by Ewan MacColl) From: Abby Sale Date: 30 Nov 00 - 12:09 AM OK. From Ewan MacColl, E&SPB, Riverside (and Washington) vol 1 (also on his Long Harvest vol I from Folkways so it's still available. I haven't checked the words are identical on the two at this point but I recall that they are at least nearly so.) Minnorie
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: Gypsy Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:35 PM Blessings on all your heads! will send off info to our favorite shantyman, and make him sing it to us! Thank you so much! |
Subject: Chords to Minorie From: GUEST,Seeyam Brijmohun Date: 15 Apr 11 - 09:55 AM Minnorie Am C 1. *There lived twa sisters *in ane bower, G Am *Minnorie, o, *Minnorie: C G And there *cam' a young man to *be their wooer, Am G Am On the *bonnie dam*sides o' *Minnorie. The asterisks are where the chord changes are. It's one of me favourite song. Seeyam Brijmohun |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 15 Apr 11 - 10:41 AM Seeyam, thanks for posting. I like your solution (*) to the problem of chord symbols which vacillate - oscillate - won't stay put. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: Don Firth Date: 15 Apr 11 - 03:06 PM I first learned it as "Binnorie," but later heard it (MacColl, I think) as "Minnorie." Then, other variations, including an American transplant version with a chorus that went "Bow down, bow and balance to me." It began There was an old lord by the Northern Sea,then goes on to tell the same story. Many versions of Child #10. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: Don Firth Date: 15 Apr 11 - 03:09 PM In Child, under "The Twa Sisters." Don Firth |
Subject: Lyr Add: MINORIE (from Ewan MacColl) From: GUEST Date: 09 Aug 15 - 06:19 PM 'Minorie' As sung by Ewan MacColl There lived twa sisters in ane bower Minorie, O, Minorie And there cam' a young man tae be their wooer On the bonnie dam sides o' Minorie He's coorted the eldest wi' a' his land Minorie, O, Minorie He coorted the youngest wi' his right hand On the bonnie dam sides o' Minorie. He gied the elder a brooch and ring Minorie, O, Minorie But he loo'ed the youngest abune a' thing On the bonnie dam sides o' Minorie He coorted the eldest wi' his penknife, Minorie, O, Minorie But he loo'ed the youngest abune his life On the bonnie dam sides o' Minorie. O sister, sister, ye'll gang tae the broom Minorie, O, Minorie Tae hear the blackbird change its tune And we'll maybe see the lads o' Minorie They walked up and they walked doon Minorie, O, Minorie And thrice the blackbird changed his tune But they never saw the lads o' Minorie. O sister, sister, ye'll gang to the dam Minorie, O, Minorie To see oor faither's ship be comin' in Tae the bonnie dam sides o' Minorie They went to the dam and they stood on a steen Minorie, O, Minorie And the eldest dang the youngest in To the bonnie dam sides o' Minorie O she swam up and she swam doon Minorie, O, Minorie Till she swam to whar her sister did stand On the bonnie dam sides o' Minorie. O sister, sister, tak' me by the hand Minorie, O, Minorie And ye'll get the miller lad and a' his land He's the bonnie miller lad o' Minorie. It wasnae for that that I danged ye in Minorie, O, Minorie But you was fair and I was dun And ye'll droon in the dams o' Minorie. The miller's ae dochter gaed to the dam, Minorie, O, Minorie; For water to wash her faither's hands, By the bonnie dam sides o' Minorie. O faither, faither, fish in the dam Minorie, O, Minorie, For there's either a maid or a milk-white swan Has drooned in the dams o' Minorie There was nane o' them kent her face sae fair, Minorie, O, Minorie But weel kent the miller by her bonnie yellow hair, 'Twas his ain bonnie lass o' Minorie. TRANSLATION There lived two sisters in a wood Minorie, O, Minorie And a young man came to court them both By the beautiful banks of Minorie He courted the eldest with all his land (wealth) Minorie, O, Minorie He courted the youngest with his right hand (romance) By the beautiful banks of Minorie He gave the eldest a brooch and ring Minorie, O, Minorie But he loved the youngest above all things By the beautiful banks of Minorie He courted the eldest with his penknife (carpentry skills!) Minorie, O, Minorie But he loved he youngest more than his own life By the beautiful banks of Minorie Oh sister, sister we'll go to the meadow (?) Minorie, O, Minorie To hear the blackbird change its tune And we'll maybe see the lads of Minorie They walked up and they walked down Minorie, O, Minorie Three times the blackbird changed his tune But they never saw the lads of Minorie O sister, sister we'll go to the dam Minorie, O, Minorie To see if our father's ship is coming in To the beautiful shores of Minorie They went to the dam and stood on a rock Minorie, O, Minorie And the eldest pushed the yougest in By the beautiful sides of Minorie Oh she swam up and she swam down Minorie, O, Minorie Till she swam to where her sister did stand By the beautiful sides of Minorie Oh sister, sister take my hand Minorie, O, Minorie And you can have the miller lad and all his land He's the handsome miller lad of Minorie It wasn't for that I pushed you in Minorie, O, Minorie But you are pretty and I am ugly And you'll drown in the dams of Minorie The miller's own daughter went to the dam Minorie, O, Minorie For water to wash her father's hands By the beautiful shores of Minorie O father, father, fish in the dam (as a command, to 'fish' something out) Minorie, O, Minorie For there's either a girl or a milk-white swan Has drowned in the dams of Minorie None of them knew her face so fair Minorie, O, Minorie But the miller knew her well by her beautiful yellow hair It was his own beautiful girl of Minorie Rough translation by Greg Pastic |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Aug 15 - 03:18 AM Ewan and Peggy recorded a magnificent version of this ballad from Scots Traveller, Christina McAlistair in tyhe 1960s - hopefully, this and a load more of these recordings will see the light of day in the near future Jim Carroll |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE TWO SISTERS (from Cindy Mangsen) From: GUEST Date: 10 Aug 15 - 06:45 PM Here's another stunning version of "The Two Sisters", this one by Cindy Mangsen: Cindy Mangsen - The Two Sisters (You Tube). The song is on her 2012 duo album with husband Steve Gillette: Home by Dark. Cindy's lyrics: The Two Sisters (Traditional, Child #10) There were two sisters sat in a bower Binnorie, oh Binnorie There came a knight to be their wooer By the bonny mill dams of Binnorie He courted the eldest with glove and ring But he loved the youngest above anything The eldest to the young one said Will you come and see our father's ships come in? She's taken her by the lily white hand And led her down to the river strand The young one stood upon a stone And the eldest came and pushed her in O sister sister reach me your hand And you will inherit half my land O sister I'll not reach my hand And I will inherit all your land O sister sister reach me your glove And sweet William will be your love Sink on, nor hope for hand or glove And sweet William will be my love Sometimes she sank, sometimes she swam Until she came to the miller's dam The miller hastened and drew his dam And there he found a drowned woman He made a harp of her breast bone Whose sounds would melt a heart of stone And the strings he made of her yellow hair Whose sounds made sad the listening ear He brought it to her father's hall And there was the court assembled all He laid the harp upon a stone And straight it began to play alone O yonder sits my father the king And yonder sits my mother the queen And yonder stands my brother Hugh And by him William, sweet and true But the last tune that the harp played then Was "Woe to my sister, false Helen" |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Minorie From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 11 Aug 15 - 02:12 PM I found a video of Ewan MacColl singing "Minorie." It's a good tune, but it's only 8 measures long, and most of us don't want to listen to 8 measures of music sung 14 times with no variation. Yes, on the PA at the supermarket they play songs like that, but most of us disdain that stuff. If I were performing this for people, I would make up a another 8 measures of music (a B part) and sing some of the verses to it. No law says that every verse has to be the same loudness, same tempo and same timbre. The ballad singer is telling a story, after all, and some parts are more exciting than others. |
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