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Subject: ZUGENRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 15 Dec 00 - 09:52 AM This sets in just about late December every year. I debate about selling my home, giving away years of accumulated crap, and just moving on to something or someplace new. I ache to travel. Some days I feel as if I will break in two if I have to sit still another minute. Riding around the country on freight trains makes perfect sense. Am I crazy? Or alone in this? Anybody want to run away from home with me?
TODAY'S TIP: ZUGUNRUHE by Martha Barnette (TSOOK-uhn-roo-uh) (n.) Migratory restlessness in birds This German word has been adopted into English as an ornithological term for the restless displayed at certain times of year by caged migratory birds. But surely it deserves wider metaphorical use as a word for an "instinctive restlessness" in humans as well. "Yes, we're back from Europe, but the Zugunruhe is already kicking in." |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Noreen Date: 15 Dec 00 - 10:22 AM Thanks, Sinsull, for the new word. I'm ready, willing and able for a new challenge. Where shall we go? (Where shall we meet might be a good start...) Noreen |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 15 Dec 00 - 10:45 AM Reminds me of that old Schwepp's ad: "Hong Kong? Rangoon?" How about the rest area on the Jersey Turnpike between Exit 4 and Exit 5? |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Noreen Date: 15 Dec 00 - 11:17 AM Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike They've all gone to look for America... Can you fly direct there from the UK? Noreen |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: MudGuard Date: 15 Dec 00 - 11:55 AM Btw., the German word Zugunruhe is pronounced Zug-un-ru-he. If it were to be pronounced TSOOK-uhn-roo-uh, it would be spelled Zohkuhnrohuh. ;-) ;-) MudGuard (nativegermanspeakerwhoisrightnowduckingandrunning) |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: mousethief Date: 15 Dec 00 - 11:57 AM Actually it's Tsug-un-roo-uh. "Z" is always "TS" auf Deutsch. But "Zug" by itself is in fact "tsook" -- g's and d's at the end of words tend to become unvoiced in German (pronounced as k's and t's, in other words). Oder so glaube ich.... Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 15 Dec 00 - 12:02 PM How do I say "Screw you" in German? I was looking for sympathy not pedants. Mary being ironic again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Noreen Date: 15 Dec 00 - 12:09 PM I thought MudGuard's point was funny- he pronounces it as written, being a native speaker... (never mind...) But seriously, Mary, can we apply for a Mudcat travel grant? Noreen |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 15 Dec 00 - 12:28 PM I believe Max is tapped out but we may be able to get the Patons to fund the expedition. All we have to do is collect music along the way. I can see it now "Folkways Presents Songs Of The Jersey Turnpike". SIGH! I have to get out more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Naemanson Date: 15 Dec 00 - 12:39 PM There is a futon reserved for you just 7 hours north of NY on Interstate 95. Of course, the idea of visiting Maine in the winter without skis may seem a little odd. Yet there are regular song sessions in Portsmouth, NH, and regular coffeehouses in Kennebunk, Saco, Bath, and Brunswick. Then there are the concerts planned for the winter. And if you wait til summer (or come back then) you can sit on the porch and sing to the river. She always appreciates a song. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 15 Dec 00 - 12:48 PM I don't know Naemanson. Ever since your post about your beard and ladies' tummies... Just don't think I can trust myself. Especially in a cold Maine winter with not even skis to distract me. And doesn't that usurper GW(Gotta Win) Bush hang around Kennebunk? What do you think Noreen? Should we meet in Maine instead? The Patons may be more willing to cough up the money if we mention Captain Morse and Brett. Better yet, why don't I fly to you and we'll tour Scotland. Have always wanted to wander the Northern Islands after seeing "I Know Where I'm Going". Silly romantic at heart. |
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Subject: ZUGUNRUHE From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Dec 00 - 02:05 PM Well, my 28-yr-old son has done a fair amount of "riding the rails" over the past few years. I guess I have to admit I'm a little bit jealous, but I don't think I'm built for putting up with the discomfort and danger of riding in boxcars. I think I prefer traveling in rental cars with CD players. I stay off the Interstate highways, and just wander. I just got back from 6 weeks of wandering that completed my tour of the Atlantic Coast - from Halifax to Dry Tortugas. I've been working on that every autumn for the last 6 or 7 years. I saw a bald eagle on the last day of this year's trip. Saw lots of nice people and did lots of nice singing, too. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: kendall Date: 15 Dec 00 - 02:29 PM You guys remind me of the scene in The Life Of Brian when the Roman soldier caught him writing graffiti on the wall.Instead of hauling him away, the soldier corrects his spelling! I'm seriously considering driving to Florida, and, would welcome some pleasant company on the trip. I would pay all expenses, including your plane fare back. (I would be staying for two months) Any takers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Naemanson Date: 15 Dec 00 - 03:10 PM Actually, Sins, I wasn't talking of "ladies" tummies. I was refering to women. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 15 Dec 00 - 03:41 PM Think hard before you answer, Brett. You may bring the wrath of the Mudcat down on yourself. What is the difference between a lady and a woman? |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Matt_R Date: 15 Dec 00 - 04:18 PM Being from a military family, I'm used to moving every 3 years since I was born. But since my Dad retired, we've been here 5 years, 6 in August. I think I've been here maybe too long. And I think, as Sam Cooke says "A change is gonna come..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 15 Dec 00 - 04:35 PM Let's see. Noreen and I can visit Brett in Maine or join Kendall to Florida or see Scotland on our own or ride freights with Matt. Things are looking up. Joe Offer - I am amazed at how calmly you talk about your son's wanderings. Mine disappears for a year at a time and wanders. He says he can't explain it. He just has to. Wish I had the courage to follow his example. Of course, I require hot water and Room Service. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Noreen Date: 16 Dec 00 - 12:50 PM I've never liked being called a lady... Hmmm, I will ponder of the choices raised here. Noreen |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Naemanson Date: 16 Dec 00 - 01:41 PM OK Sins, here are my definitions. Please note these are MY definitions. Others may disagree. A lady is a creature of refinement and culture. She relies on men to support her and make sure she's comfortable. She minces and uses various tricks to play on men's emotions to keep them at her beck and call. A woman, on the other hand, may be acquainted with all of that but considers it beneath her dignity to put forth such a display. This doesn't prevent her from playing at it but only when she knows her audience. A woman is self sufficient and independent. For her a male partner is in all things a partner, a friend, confidant, lover and more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Rick Fielding Date: 16 Dec 00 - 02:18 PM Ahh, Sinsull, I was born with Zugenruhe. All through High school I travelled extensively. Too bad I was sitting at my desk while doing it! Never bummed a freight, but did a lot of walking and hitch-hiking. Packed up many times and just headed off to Europe to bum and play music. T'was hell on relationships though. Saw a documentary on the REAL Bagdad Cafe a few days ago and thought "hey that would be nice to visit. Twenty years ago I would have....can't now though. heather and the cats would notice I was gone within a couple of hours! Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Matt_R Date: 16 Dec 00 - 03:03 PM A woman is a gender...a lady is a state of mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: CamiSu Date: 16 Dec 00 - 04:24 PM Gosh, I'd always thought ladies were the ones who had real manners (not manipulative ones) and pretty much fit your description of women, and the mincy, prissy, ones who'll play any way to get their way I simply call "female of the species" and don't define the species. 'Course I learned that from Robert Heinlein, who had a great deal of respect for honest women, even if he made them up! CamiSu |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: CamiSu Date: 16 Dec 00 - 06:35 PM BTW Mary, Sandy and Caroline have Folk Legacy records, not Folkway, (unless they've made an acquisition I don't know about!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Naemanson Date: 16 Dec 00 - 08:10 PM Matt, I can see a lot of the Southern Gentleman in your post. I believe you come by it honestly, though. The difference is that a woman can be a lady but a lady cannot be a true woman. It's a matter of choice. True story: I have worried that my younger daughter was working on being a lady with all the (to me) negative connotations. Yet, when my sister's dog drowned it was that daughter who helped to carry the body up from the pond. It was that daughter who tied the dog's back legs to the carrying pole and walked beside me as I carried my end of the pole and bloody water drooled from the dog's nose and mouth. A lady would not have done that. The woman she is becoming was like a rock in the sad and difficult task we faced. My fears have been erased. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: GUEST Date: 16 Dec 00 - 08:50 PM Matt finally said something that shows maturity |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: Dave Wynn Date: 16 Dec 00 - 09:03 PM Don't do it Noreen...Stay here in the U.K. and grace our music clubs with your (I presume) fine singing. It's tough for a dog like I who can visit America but not come back without 3 months in detention.... .topS |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: catspaw49 Date: 16 Dec 00 - 09:29 PM I spent a lot of time on the road and it now hits me both ways. Sometimes I want to go, get the hell out of Dodge...the whole "shove it" thing. Move to a deserted island. Other times I remember how tiring it was. All depends on what's going on I guess. I do know that I wouldn't trade all that time for all the money in the world. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 16 Dec 00 - 10:17 PM Guest - "Matt finally said something that shows maturity"???? And Guest as always offers something incredibly stupid AND anonymous. Naemanson - thanks for the clarification. Semantics at work here nothing more. CamiSu - I have made that error before. Don't know why. It just happens. But if the funding comes from Folkways or Folk Legacy either way Noreen and I will take it. By the way, it is Noreen's birthday - want to pass the hat? Shameless, aren't I? |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGENRUHE From: CarolC Date: 17 Dec 00 - 12:46 AM This thread hits so close to home, I almost didn't post to it. (No pun there.) I still haven't landed. Still wandering around looking. In the last 27 years, the longest I ever lived in one location is five years. And that's at least twice as long as my average of two years. I feel like I still have some more moves to make. Don't know when, don't know where. I'd like to settle down, but I don't know if it will ever happen. Right now, I'd like to find a nice sandy beach in a warm friendly place. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: Naemanson Date: 17 Dec 00 - 09:34 AM Carol, you ought to try what I did. I had not been in one place longer than two year until my wife and I built our house in Arrowsic. I was finally settled. Then we divorced and sold the house. Now I have been settled in one place for five years BUT in one area for 13! So it took me 35 years to discover that. Now I'm 48 and... every once in a while... I feel the need to travel again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: catspaw49 Date: 17 Dec 00 - 10:05 AM Yeah Naes, but your problem is that you wound up in Maine and its not so much a matter of a decision as it was the fact that your feet were frozen to the ground. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: Naemanson Date: 17 Dec 00 - 11:18 AM But, Spaw, it doesn't get cold in Maine! Thanks to that great progressive capitalist program, Global Warming, we now live North of the snow belt. Massachusetts and Connecticut generally get socked pretty hard and we get rain. As an example, we got 5" of snow on Thursday and now it has all melted away. Still dreaming of a white Christmas! |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: MudGuard Date: 17 Dec 00 - 02:09 PM Sinsull and Mousethief, I did not want to insult anyone. Sorry if I did. I just tried to be funny (obviously without success). I think it is hard to explain how to pronounce a word using a language like English which has no real rules for pronouncing (think about words like though, through, rough, ... or read/read (present/imperfect with same spelling but different pronounciation) and also differences between American, Australian, British... English). With German it is different. With very few exceptions the pronounciation is defined by spelling (or vice versa). MudGuard |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: CarolC Date: 17 Dec 00 - 03:35 PM Yeah, Naemanson, I think building a house would do it. I don't see myself being able to do that any time soon, though (and I'm 45...almost), and then there's the question of where to build it if I am ever able. I'm hoping I'll end up on the coast somewhere, but who knows? Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 17 Dec 00 - 06:07 PM Mudguard, I wasn't insulted. My "Screw You" was tongue in cheek kind of like trilling "R"s in Spanish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: Naemanson Date: 17 Dec 00 - 08:35 PM Well, CarolC, I wish you luck. I have decided I am settled now. I have a circle of friends the like of which I've never had before. I am recognized as a citizen by people who don't know me and whom I don't know. I engage in small talk about the happenings around and know what the issues are. It feels very secure. But that doesn't mean I don't want to get out and about. I will still be traveling. It's just that I now have a base of operations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Dec 00 - 02:34 AM OK, so I admit it. Max gave me a new tool that allows me to correct the spelling on thread titles, and I'm the one cho corrected the spelling. I'd swear that "Zugunruhe" would mean "discomfort while riding trains" - but then Mudcguard would prove me wrong. Sinsull, I can be relatively relaxed about my son's wonderings because he didn't tell me about them until his travels were over. And he made me swear never to tell his mother. I also have a daughter who decided she needed to find out what it was like to live in Africa (she's 25). You'll notice that I go wandering several weeks every year - I guess they get it from me. Now, I have a 21-yr-old who sits at home and broods, and he's still mad at me because I didn't pay attention when he was playing basketball in 8th grade. He's like my ex, I'm afraid. I think riding the rails would do him good. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: CarolC Date: 18 Dec 00 - 03:49 AM Thanks, Naemanson. And good for you! It sounds like you have a very good life. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: P05139 Date: 18 Dec 00 - 06:58 AM I thought Zugunruhe meant "Peace On Trains!!" Firecat (Trying fr a German A Level) |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: Wolfgang Date: 18 Dec 00 - 08:13 AM In German you can put any two nouns together to make a new word and depending upon the respective meanings of the single words the compound may have many different meanings often only understood in the correct context.
'Zug' can be train, draft, draw, pull, traction, march, campain, groove, migration (and many others) Put them together and the result can mean the starting of a revolution in a train, discomfort while riding in a train, the commotion resulting in a pub when the singer downs his beer, the unrest when a chess player makes a move. Given the correct context, all of these meanings can be constructed to be understandable. None of them will be found in any dictionary. The only meaning that might be found in a very big dictionary is the first one mentioned by SINSULL, Migratory restlessness in birds. Wasn't the old original English term for what is meant here 'Wanderlust'? (grin) Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: kendall Date: 18 Dec 00 - 08:53 AM I think anyone with normal feelings gets the urge to go at times. For instance, the gas company said it was raising the cost bu 29% on January 1. It was on the news that it is going up 50% to 60%. So, why should I sit here and make them richer? Give me one good reason... |
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Subject: RE: BS: ZUGUNRUHE From: SINSULL Date: 18 Dec 00 - 09:04 AM Well, Heat keeps the water pipes from freezing, for one. Wandering to get even with the oil company kind of defeats the purpose of a spontaneous wander, I think. The "walkabout" needs to start with a sense of excitement and anticipation not a "F**k the gasman, oilman, or landlord" if it is going to have the desired cleansing effect. At least my "walkabout". |