Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: little john cameron
Date: 26 Dec 00 - 07:05 PM

LH,whit ah meant wis that it seems tae me that there is an awfy lot o Scottish history experts here.Ye hae tae understaun aboot the clan system in order tae gie an informed opeenion on Charlie.When the clan system wis brekin doon it wis caused a great deal by the infuence o "civilisation" creepin in.We never had much o an agrarian society,maistly cattle an swoopin doon oot o the hills an grabbin whit ye wanted.The heilanders were a wild bunch an had tae be "tamed".Some o the chiefs could see the writin on the wa, bit ithers wanted tae keep their power.Yese were richt when ye said he wis only a figureheid but nevertheless accordin tae Scots law he wis the boss.Even if he wis only 2yrs auld he wis the high heid yin an ehat wis that.It wis also mentioned that this wis gaun on at the same time as the reformation.That certainly didnae help his cause as the lowland chiefs were paranoid aboot catholics.That split the sides even further.
If Cumberland had jist won an left it at that mibbe things wid hae died doon,bit whit way the bannin o the kilt an no bein alood tae speak oor ain tounge an ither atrocities aw he did wis mak martyrs oot o awbody.
They did the same thing wi the Irish,"Bloody Sunday"Aw ower the world the same the wis done onywhere the ENGLISH took ower.Ah could go on bit we are aw guilty o various fuck-ups.Different times noo,or is it? ljc

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 07:04 PM

Programme on sky the other night about him, didn't seem as bad as history painted him.

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: number 6
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 07:24 PM

He couldn't be that bad, as the story goes the recipe for Drambuie came from him.

sIx

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: GUEST,thurg
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 01:24 AM

I remember a write-up in the Toronto Star Weekly about the New Brunswick James Stuart back in the late '60's. He had formed a court-in-exile, consisting of the late Alden Nowlan, Ray Fraser, and various other poets, philosophers and good-time Charlies - a true Stuart court! There was a great photo of this (handsome and presumably charming) Stuart and his followers - he was in Highland regalia, complete with tinfoil sword and crown, and his courtiers were bedecked in capes and robes from granny's closet, accoutred with ceremonial weapons that looked suspiciously like kitchen-utensils ... He sent a demand to Queen Elizabeth that she vacate the palace and give up the throne forthwith. History fails to record her response. (But note that the Windsors are still the Royals.)

kendall's post is the first I've heard of our rightful king since then. Perhaps it's time to revive his claim ... Sound the pibroch, Mudcatters!

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 03:41 PM

One night, back in 1978, Alex Campbell was playing Tamworth Folk Club.

Rather distractedly Alex said, 'We're near to Derby here.....if you lot had played your cards right back in 1745..... you'd still have a team in World Cup.'

My God! twenty eight years ago.....how I've wasted the time!

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: Charmain
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:09 PM

Re to Spot the Dog earlier this century - see above!

Flower of Scotland was written in tribute to Robert the Bruce who trounced the English and sent them packing not to the Bonnie Prince who got them all mashed up and squished

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:26 PM

He was a French Poof

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: Charmain
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:29 PM

Pretty sure he was Italian - and definately a fop if not actually homosexual...

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:45 PM

Like Billy Connoly says: the only man to be named after 3 sheep dogs

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: GUEST,McNab
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 03:56 AM

What gets forgotten is that a large chunk of Scotland didn't want BPC around and a good proportion of the army that crushed the Highland charge at Culloden was Scottish. As so often - including the so called Braveheart story (who was killed by an English axe but betrayad by fellow Scots - it's another grubby little drama about some would be trying to grab power and wealth. The ordinary people - as usual they pay the price either in blood or poverty or both.

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 06:18 AM

well yeh he was definitely a bit an arsehole. However theres a statute of limitations - think how many tins of shortbread he's sold for you guys over the years. And the whisky bottles....

thens theres all the poems , songs, novels....

he may have been responsible for the depopulation of the entire country, however he initiated a thousand industries inside your country...

face it you could have done worse for revolutionary leader. You could be trying to flog Osama Bin Laden Dundee cake in a tin, Che Guevara Griddle cakes,

None of them wore a kilt either - good marketing move!

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 06:42 AM

What if William McGonagall had raised the Hielands and marched south? What songs would we be singing now?

Subject: RE: Bonnie Prince Charlie - Good or Bad
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:41 AM

I dunno. but it wouldn't scan...