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GUEST,izzymac 14 Jan 01 - 12:28 AM
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Subject: Found a good DADGAD book
From: GUEST,izzymac
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 12:28 AM

Bought a good book called 'The Irish DADGAD guitar book' by Sarah McQuaid published by Ossian isbn 0 946005 93 1 - good for anyone who wants an overview, relevant chord shapes and some good tab tunes to try out. There is a section at the start that goes right from the basics which can be skipped by most but I thought it was helpful (I don't have anything whatsoever to do with the author or publisher!) so I'm letting you know.


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: black walnut
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 08:25 AM

could you say a little more about the book, izzymac? does it include songs with words, or is it all for guitar alone? what are some of the tunes or songs in the book?

i've been doing a few songs lately with DADGAD, and enjoy this tuning because i can create a decent accompaniment from it...(i don't play much guitar - i'm primarily a harp/piano/dulcimer player). my only complaint is that some songs would be better pitched for me in C or Bb.

i'm always looking for good DADGAD chorus songs for song circle....

~'nut


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Willie-O
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 11:19 AM

well, that's the way it goes with DADGAD. As a DADGAD enthusiast who likes to sing in C, I can only say that they're not compatible in any normal way. (although capo on 10th fret is possible, if you don't mind the high tinkly sound and limited range on the fretboard. It's more for "special effect" sound--like an imitation modal autoharp than the customary big, wide, midrange DADGAD palette. B flat though, you can do, and A (7th fret) is common--and a very good singing key for many songs.

Now, if you have a guitar that can be dropped without sounding flabby, you can tune the DADGAD down to CGCFGC for true DADGAD in C. Using medium strings and patience this can work alright. Martin Carthy does something similar, but in a tuning somewhat more dissonant than DADGAD, (DADEAB > CGCDGA) which can become cloyingly pretty after awhile.

The Stan Rogers Songbook (OFC Publication) has excellent DADGAD chord and lots of nice variations on the more comon inversions. That's where I learned to use the tuning from.

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: GUEST,izzymac
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 12:46 PM

Hi 'nut - re your questions, sorry no lyrics but music and tab for the following: Jigs:the monument, the cricket's march over the saltbox, the coming of spring, munster buttermilk, charlie hunter's jig, the frieze britches Reels:the chicago reel, the green fields of glentown, sailor's return, the tempest, beare island Hornpipes:walsh's hornpipe, kitty's wedding, the blackbird Polkas:ballydesmond polka, denis murphy's, john ryan's

I'm not greatly knowledgeable of Irish tunes as I play in a ceilidh band playing mostly Scottish stuff (I'm from Glasgow) but I've certainly heard of a few of the above.

Another good tuning is DADGBD - saw Kate Rusby using this to great effect (see earlier post if interested?)

Cheers, Izzy


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: GUEST,izzymac
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 12:54 PM

sorry, the other thing I was going to mention is that it has a pretty comprehensive round-up of chord shapes - always handy if you're looking for new voicings.


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Lady McMoo
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 12:58 PM

Yes ...I know the book. A bit idiosyncratic in style but certainly a useful resource.

mcmoo


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: black walnut
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 01:44 PM

nah, Willie-O, "high tinkly" is definitely not my thing. neither is changing strings....but that's another topic! Stan (Paul Mills?) played in DADGAD? cool, now that lends some prestige to the tuning, doesn't it??

thanks for listing the contents, Izzy....it sounds like something I could really enjoy, what with my 1/4 Irish blood!

i friend gave me a printout of millions of DADGAD chords, from the internet....it's mindboggling. a basic book like this might be a really good idea at this point in time....

my DADGAD chorus song successes thus far include Another Train, Braw Sailing, Sweet Maggie Gordon, I'm on my Way, and Lilies of the Field.

~'nut


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 01:03 AM

According to his Bio, Stans first exposure to DADGAD was Archie Fishers "Dark Eyed Molly".. and well, he kinda ran with it after that... Marry Ellen Carter, Sailors Rest and Free In The Harbour just don't sound right unless they're done in DADGAD...

What do I have to do to get my hands on a copy of this DADGAD book?

DADGAD is GREAT!


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: GUEST,izzymac
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 02:35 AM

Hi Clinton

re: where can you get the book - your local bookshop should be able to order it with the info I left in the first post. If not the publisher's address is Ossian Publications Co. Ltd, P.O.Box 84, Cork, Ireland.

Good luck! Izzy


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: black walnut
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 09:14 AM

thread creep....does celtic cross ever play in toronto, clinton? are you going to the tranzac this weekend for all those irish workshops and concerts?

~'nut


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 11:14 AM

If you live in the United States and want to buy the book, you're best bet is Ossian USA...

http://www.ossianusa.com/

Very nice people.

All the best,
Dan


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: GUEST,The Folkie Sailor
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 03:06 PM

Hey, Willie-O Where did you get the Stan Rogers Song Book - can you give me the ISBN No?


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Subject: Who you calling a creep? ;-)
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 03:11 PM

Black Walnut

The Celtic Cross that I have to bear is a strictly local group... Meaning Windsor and the surrounding counties is about as far as we range..... So no, I'll not be at the tranzac thing you mentioned.. in fact, Ihave no idea even what that is...

;-)


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: pict
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 03:26 PM

"The guitar book" by Pierre Bensusan is a good book for DADGAD stuff although I think it's quite hard to get a hold of.


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: black walnut
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 04:03 PM

too bad, CH....so close and yet so far.

i don't think i've been in windsor since the early 70's.

you know, i really hate it when people start little 2 person conversations in a discussion group....sorry guys.

~'nut


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: GUEST,Chris Hall
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 04:53 PM

The Sarah McQuaid DADGAD book is also available through amazon.com or chapters.ca in canada.

Some of the finest DADGAD work I have heard is definitely by Stan Rogers and his group. I believe the Stan Rogers songbook is available from chapters.ca as well.

Chris Hall


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: black walnut
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 06:47 PM

CH, it's called the "Chris Langan Weekend", and there's everything from a slide show on the history of uilleann pipes, to Willie Kelly from New Jersey teaching the fiddle, to a concert and caeli on saturday night, to feature performers Ronan Browne, the original piper for Riverdance, and Benedict Koehler from Vermont, and on and on and on....$65 for the whole weekend.

it's the 10th annual, and i've never been, but this year i'm going to try to make it to some of it, at least.

~'nut


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 09:35 PM

Sounds like it's a little to focused on "Celtic" music for my total enjoyment, but it sounds like there's some fun to be had...

Quaff one fer me eh!


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Sarah McQuaid
Date: 29 Jun 08 - 06:07 PM

Just came across this long-dead thread and thought I'd let anyone out there who's interested know that the book is still available through Musicroom -- there's a link on my website: sarahmcquaid.com

Cheers,

Sarah McQuaid


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: open mike
Date: 29 Jun 08 - 08:39 PM

it comes with a recording, too.
Sarah's web site
Sarah also has a You Tube page.

Link repaired by Muderator


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 29 Jun 08 - 11:14 PM

Back to the Bb and C comments. It is possible to play in G easily and capo up 3 or 5 frets and miss that high sound. I also found F an easy key to play in uncapoed (easier than standard). There is a partial Bb you can play (A string first fret and high D third fret) that can help a lot.


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 06:05 AM

Another great book is "Accompanying Irish Music on Guitar - A Guide For The Celtic Guitarist" by Frank Kilkelly; Dave Mallinson Publications ISBN 1 899512 57 8 (www.mally.com)


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 06:47 AM

one of the beauties of Dadgbd,is that you can get a lot of the modal chordsthat you can get in dadgad,you can play in a major easily as well as g and d,you can also play in c major there is a wonderful f modal bar chord.
dadgbd is pretty good for playing tunes,it is also like one of the common five string banjo tunings,so if you flat pick the guitar,in this tuning you will also be able to flatpick a five string banjo,if you use single string 5 string banjo[don reno style]fingerpicking with thumb and index,you will be able to transfer easily to guitar in double dropd,and play 5 string banjo, as the first four strings of the guitar are similiar to g tuning on a 5 string banjo,you will find it very useful for irish tunes.
JulieHenigan also has agood dadgad book,not so comprehensive as theMcquaid book,but still useful.Dick Miles


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 07:42 AM

I second (or third, or fourth) the endorsement of Sarah McQuaid's book, and she also did a great CD to go with it - she's a fine singer too. Now, if only I had better guitar technique...


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: Mooh
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 07:54 AM

A few from my shelf:

The Guitar Book (Pierre Bensusan)
DADGAD Music (Pierre Bensusan)
DADGAD Guitar (Pierre Bensusan and various artists)
DADGAD Tuning (Julie Henigan)
Fingerstyle Guitar Solos (Mel Bay)

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 04:59 PM

This DADGAD article by Martin Simpson is very interesting.

Link to Dadgad article


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 06:10 PM

thanks tunesmith.


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 06:25 PM

again some of the same comments apply to double drop d,dadgbd,it has similarities with dadgad,in that you have three d strings,so of course dropping the octaves apply the same,as regards your 4th string to either your sixth or up to your first.
with double drop d,you have four strings the same ,so even more chords that are common to standard are available.
as regards playing blues in double drop d,the key of A major is great,and EASILY produces sounds reminiscemnt of Memphis Minnie.the article from Martin Simpson is a great one and thanks again.Dick Miles


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: GUEST,underhillbilly
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 12:33 PM

DADGAD is simply a means to an end, especially when playing "irish" tunes, which are more often than not in the key of D or G. It is neither magical or mystical. Once you have mastered the basics of playing with "closed position" chords, it can open up the whole fret board, and you can throw away your capo.


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 05:16 PM

I am looking for a tab to Stan Rogers Lockkeeper in DADGAD or Drop D

Anyone know of one?


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Subject: RE: Found a good DADGAD book
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 05:57 PM

yes try a related thread,DADGAD tuning (13]here.
Subject: RE: DADGAD tuning
From: Ted from Australia - PM
Date: 22 Sep 99 - 08:49 AM

G'day Magpie.
I found that one way to get your head and ear around alternate tunings like DADGAD is to find a song or tune that is played in that tuning that you REALLY want to learn and then stick at it 'till you get it
One that works for me is Stan Rogers' Lock Keeper. I have set it out below (hope I have the breaks right joe) Regards Ted. Lock Keeper

THE LOCK-KEEPER: (Stan Rogers)
(DADGAD tuning - Capo on 2 - Key of E)

DADGAD CHORDS (Capo on 2)

E C#min C#min/B A
000200 024400 004400 550400

A (alternate) B B (Alternate)
020000 002002 770600

F#min Esus4 E2 E3
222000 005000 002000 004000


(riff is on the middle "D" string and goes 5-4-0-5-4-0)


INTRO: E (Riff) C#min A B Esus4 E2 E3 E

E
You say "Well met again, Lock-keeper!
C#m C#m/B A
We're laden even deeper then the time before.
F#m B E (Riff)
Oriental oils and teas brought down from Singapore!"
E
As we wait for my lock to cycle
C#m C#m/B A
I say "My wife has just given me a son."
F#m B E
"A son!" you cry, "Is that all that you've done?"

She wears bouganvillia blossoms.
You pluck 'em from her hair and toss them in the tide,
Sweep her in your arms and carry her inside,

Her sighs catch on your shoulder,
Her moonlit eyes grow cold and wiser through her tears,
And I say, "How could you stand to leave her for a year?"

A
"Then come with me" you say,
F#m
"To where the Southern Cross
B E
Rides high upon your shoulder..."
C#m C#m/B
"Come with me" you cry,
A F#m Bsus4 B
Each day you tend this lock, you're one day older,
C#m C#m/B A B
While your blood grows colder..."
E
But that anchor chain's a fetter,
C#m C#m/B A
And with it you are tethered to the foam,
F#m B E
And I wouldn't trade your life for one hour of home..

Sure I'm stuck here on the Seaway
While you compensate for leeway through the trades,
And you shoot the stars to see the miles you've made,
And you laugh at hearts you've riven,
But which of them has given us more love or life,
You, your tropic maids, or me, my wife...

"Then come with me" you say,
"To where the Southern Cross
Rides high upon your shoulder..."
"Ah come with me" you cry,
"Each day you tend this lock, you're one day older,
While your blood grows colder..."
But that anchor chain's a fetter,
And with it you are tethered to the foam,
And I wouldn't trade your life for one hour of home..
But your anchor chain's a fetter,
And with it you are tethered to the foam,
And I wouldn't trade your whole life for
one hour of home


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