Subject: Lyr Add: THE BULLFIGHT ON THE SAN PEDRO^^^ et al. From: Jon W. Date: 01 Oct 97 - 11:55 AM As mentioned in the Some Must Push... thread I have a book of Mormon Folksongs I intend to input and submit. A couple are already in DT - "Echo Canyon" and "Root Hog or Die" (the version that mentions Salt Lake City). Here are three which have familiar tunes. The rest will have to wait until I have time to input the music (wish I had a MIDI interface).
THE BULLFIGHT ON THE SAN PEDRO^^^
Tune: Old Dan Tucker
ZACK, THE MORMON ENGINEER^^^
Tune: Oh Susanna "This song depicts in comic form life in one type of plural marriage. It is not intended to be sarcastic. Zack Black was a Mormon bishop who worked as an engineer for the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad, and the tale is told that he had a wife in every town he passed through. Mormon audiences have always enjoyed the humor of the lyrics, especially when Zack won't accept a transfer to another railroad line because it is routed through the wrong towns."(Music of the Mormons, p. 28)
BRIGHTER DAYS IN STORE^^^
Tune: Hard Times Come Again No More (Stephen Foster) |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Ferrara Date: 05 Oct 97 - 02:26 AM Any chance of getting "Ditches, ditches..." or any of the other comic Mormon parodies of Hard Times? They sound like they'd be neat. There's at least one parody from the Civil War, "Hard Crackers Come Again No More." |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: dick greenhaus Date: 05 Oct 97 - 09:10 PM Hard Crackers is in the database. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Jon W. Date: 06 Oct 97 - 10:20 AM Alas, I only know the "ditches ditches" line given above, and that from the liner notes of a cassette on which the group did the original Stephen Foster version. I too would like more versions of this song. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 18 Jan 02 - 07:48 PM Ditches, Ditches, Break Again No More Here |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE DOUBLE TRAGEDY From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 18 Jan 02 - 08:38 PM Lyr. Add: THE DOUBLE TRAGEDY Tune: "The Blind Child" Bright lights were shining in the hall, Everyone seemed happy and gay; Making merry one and all As by music they did sway. Tripping feet of dainty maid, Scuffling feet of booted men, Laughing remarks to partners made, Rang out o'er mountain glen. When quickly out upon the floor In anger strode Tom Roach, His gun was glistening in his hand, There was no one to reproach. At the bark of gun the startled crowd Whirled 'round toward the door. The smoke was billowing as a shroud About the gunman on the floor. "Out, file out, everybody out, Speed up all," cried he. He knew not what he was about, He was filled with raw whiskey. Men and women in grasping dread, Fled out upon the street, When with a shout and flying lead, He cut off their retreat. "Now there are some that may return, But others out must stay;" With planted feet and countenance stern He forced them to obey. Then walked up in confidence, Smiling, came Joe McCord. he said to Tom, "You'll let me in, For I've always been your pard." But with a flick of gun Tom barred his way. "Not another step," he said. McCord advanced that fatal step And Roach's gun belched lead. A look of surprise flashed in his eyes, "Roach, you've killed me," he said. And with a last heartbreaking sigh, At Roach's feet fell dead. The music swelled in sweet refrain, The floorman gave his call; "Swing your pardners to the set! Let's on, boys, with the ball." Mrs. Walton standing by, With gentle voice did plead, And Tom with ever calming eye Her quieting voice did heed. When suddenly within the door Frank Adams sprang. In his hand a Winchester bore. His voice loudly rang: "Roach!" Roach swayed aside, As the trigger was pressed, And Mrs. Walton falling died With a bullet in her breast. The confusion of the moment Of this last tragedy Was the cover by which Roach In silent haste did flee; The fatal shot that Adams fired, When in anger driven, By Mrs. Walton's friends and kin Was in deep sorrow forgiven. Mormon Songs From the Rocky Mountains, ed. Thomas E. Cheney, pp. 197-200. @mormon @bad man @western This occurred on Utah Pioneer Day, July 24, 1891, in Monticello, southeastern Utah on the east slopes of the Abajo Mts. Mrs. Jane Walton was one of the pioneers of the town. Roach escaped. A possee went after him, but he had the drop on them from the heights. The officers went for more help, but Roach escaped to Arizona and was never apprehended (Discussion accompanying the song). The composer was Otho Murphy, of Moab, who gave the song to Fife. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Deckman Date: 19 Jan 02 - 01:36 PM Jon W. ... Does your book of songs have any background on the song: "Star of Bannock?" also, how about any song relating to the Mountain Meadows Massacre? Thanx ... Bob |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Jan 02 - 08:04 PM In addition to the version of Meadows Massacre in the DT, there are 3 very short versions in the Max Hunter site. A version mostly similar to the one in the DT is printed in Mormon Songs From The Rocky Mountains, but with a couple of different verses. A short version from 1870 (different author) is also reproduced. The story is given briefly, but see Juanita Brooks, 1950, "Mountain Meadow Massacre," for a full treatment of the incident. This book has been reprinted by the Univ. Okla. Press. |
Subject: Lyr Add: ALL ARE TALKING OF UTAH From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 27 Feb 02 - 09:14 PM Lyr. Add: ALL ARE TALKING OF UTAH Verses missing from DT: They say that Utah cannot be numbered as a State, They wished our lands divided, but left it rather late; 'Tis hard to tell of Mormons, what yet may be their fate, For all are talking of Utah. Whatever may be coming, we cannot well forsee, For it may be the Railroad, or some great prodigy; At least the noted Mormons are watching what's to be, For all are talking of Utah. Two of the verses by the author, John Davis, which are missing in the DT lyrics. First published in 1868, "The Bee Hive Songster," Salt Lake City, under the pseudonym Ieuan. Also published by William Willes, 1872, in "The Mountain Warbler." Also Thomas E. Cheney, ed., 1968 (1981), "Mormon Songs From The Rocky Mountains," pp. 108-109. Tune: Work, Marching Through Georgia. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Jon W. Date: 27 Feb 02 - 11:35 PM Thanks for the responses to this and my other thread. I think the sense of anxiety about what the "outsiders" think of us in Utah that is expressed in "All are Talking Of Utah" is still very much present as we felt during the recent Olympics. Maybe that's what brought the song to mind. Anyway, I think I'll try to sing it at the next song circle (if anyone out there is in the Salt Lake area or will be on March 28, PM me and I'll send you the details and you can come). To Bob (Deckman): sorry, I don't have any Mountain Meadows songs. The massacre is back in the news again now though. A US Park Service employee found what is purported to be a message from John D. Lee written on a lead plate that puts the blame on Brigham Young. It was in John D. Lee's house that they are beginning to reconstruct or restore or something. No word yet as to its authenticity. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 28 Feb 02 - 04:18 PM Utah Phillips has a wonderful song about the Mountain Meadows Massacre, I forget the name of it. He clearly (between the notes and the song itself) thinks John D. Lee was innocent, and implies, as I read the notes, that he was a scapegoat, to satisfy the federals, who were leaning real hard on the government of Deseret at the time. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: Lyr Add: JOHN D. LEE (Bruce U. Utah Phillips) From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 28 Feb 02 - 04:49 PM These words were previously posted, in 1999, but are not in the DT, and there's no "birdie" on the post showing that it's been harvested. This is the song I mentioned in my previous post.
I have made some minor adjustments to the words as previously submitted, to conform to Utah Phillips' singing on a CD I have. JOHN D. LEE by Bruce U. Utah Phillips
Here's news come to the city about a wagon train, Brigham Young sent out a runner, bid Squire Wells to come (2X)
He gathered up a posse--a dozen men or more (2X)
No sooner they crossed over than John D. Lee was found,(2X) The horses from Missouri were found in his corral, (2X)
A wagon and a coffin--they make a heavy load,(2X)
Way up in Mountain Meadows they made him dig his grave, (2X)
The wagons they still smoldered--their ashes blew around,(2X)
Some say he was not guilty, so I have heard it said,(2X)
His grave is undiscovered, the grass it grows so tall,(2X) The tune is that of a song related to the Civil War period, variously called Hiram Herbert or Hiram Hubbard, which told of a man wrongly convicted of murder by "the Rebels". DRO |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE DESERT ROUTE From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 28 Feb 02 - 05:11 PM Jon W, The Bullfight on the San Pedro was written by Levi Hancock of Company E, The Mormon Batallion. (Enter San Pedro in the DT and the song comes up; enter Bullfight and it does not) Cheney, T. E., 1968 (1981); Golder, Grant A., 1928, March Of The Mormon Batallion. Hancock also wrote this song: Lyr. Add: THE DESERT ROUTE While here beneath the sultry sky Our famished mules and cattle die, Scarce aught but skin and bones remain To feed poor soldiers on the plain. Chorus: How hard to starve and wear us out Upon this sandy desert route. Now half-starved oxen, over-drilled, Too weak to draw, for beef are killed And gnawing hunger prompted men To eat small entrails and the skin. We sometimes now for lack of bread Are less than quarter rations fed, Then soon expect for want of meat Not less than broke-down mules to eat. Sometimes we quarter for the day While men are sent ten miles away On our back track to place in store An ox gave out the day before. And when an ox is like to die The whole camp halts and we lay by; The greedy wolves and buzzards stay Expecting rations for the day. Our hardships reach their rough extremes When valiant men are roped with teams, Hour after hour and day by day, To wear our strength and lives away. The teams can hardly drag their loads Along the hills and sandy roads, While traveling near the Rio Grande, O'er hills and dales of heated sand. We see some twenty men or more With empty stomachs, and foot sore, Bound to one wagon, plodding on Through sand beneath the burning sun. A doctor, which the government Has furnished, proves a punishment; At his rude call of "Jim along Joe," The sick and halt to him must go. Both night and morn this call is heard; Our indignation then is stirred, And we sincerely wish in Hell His arsenic and his calomel. To take it if we are not inclined, We're threatened, "You'll be left behind." When bored with threats profanely rough We swallowed down the poison stuff. Some stand the journey well, And some are by hardships overcome. And thus the Mormons are worn out Along this long and weary route. Levi Hancock, Mormon Batallion Company E. From Cheney, T. E., 1968 (1981), pp. 41-42. @soldier @pioneer @Mormon The Mormon Batallion is important in United States as well as Mormon history. During the War With Mexico, "President Polk decided to make use of them to win the country. Five hundred men were called from the Mormon camps at Mount Pigsah and Council Bluffs (IA). The Mormons responded" [although Joseph Smith had been martyred only two years before]. Quoted from Cheney. The march traced a southern route, south of the mountains, that eventually led to the Gadsen Purchase and the construction of our southernmost railroad route to California. Other members of the Batallion wrote songs commemorating the "First Wagon Road Over the Great American Desert." |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 28 Feb 02 - 05:15 PM Jon, what was the tune for "The Desert Route" ? |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Art Thieme Date: 28 Feb 02 - 06:01 PM Sandy, Didn't I record "Zack" on one o' the albums I did for Folk Legacy? ('Twas great talking to you.) Art |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Art Thieme Date: 28 Feb 02 - 06:09 PM Seems eons ago... Art |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Jon W. Date: 28 Feb 02 - 11:07 PM I've never seen "The Desert Route" before. The tune for the "Bullfight on the San Pedro" is "Old Dan Tucker." It looks like it might work for "The Desert Route" also except the chorus doesn't fit too well. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Amergin Date: 28 Feb 02 - 11:25 PM as a thread drift....I have a personal account of one of my ancestors...about his emigration to Utah from Massachusetts....in that account he also mentions how a young man named Joseph Smith came to work for his father.... |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 Mar 02 - 12:13 AM Music for "The Bullfight on the San Pedro" is given in Cheney, p. 43. It isn't Old Dan Tucker. Jenny Hancock, a descendant, gave the text and music in Cheney to Cheney. I will send a copy to Masato to see if it matches anything. Rosalie Sorrells sang it on her record, "Songs of the Mormon Pioneers," (Columbia Records) which I would very much like to find. |
Subject: Lyr Add: EARLY THIS SPRING WE'LL LEAVE NAUVOO From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Mar 02 - 07:34 PM Lyr. Add: EARLY THIS SPRING WE'LL LEAVE NAUVOO Early this spring we'll leave Nauvoo, and on our journey we'll pursue; We'll go and bid the mob farewell, and let them go to heaven or hell. Chorus: So on the way to California in the spring we'll take our journey, Far above Arkansas fountains, pass between the Rocky Mountains. The mobocrats have done their best, old Sharp and Williams with the rest, They've burnt our houses and our goods, and left our sick folks in the woods. Below Nauvoo on the green plains, they burnt our houses and our grains; And if fought, they were hell-bent to raise for help the government. The old settlers that first claimed the soil, they thought that they would take a spoil, And a fuss they did begin, but not much money did bring in. Old Governor Ford, his mind so small, has got no room for soul at all; If heaven and hell should do their best, he neither could be dammed or blest. Backenstos, his mind so large, upon the mob he made a charge; Some three or four he did shoot down, and left them lying on the ground. The old State Marshall came to town and searched our temple up and down. He told the Saints that he had come, and brought a writ for Brigham Young. Second Chorus: So out of the way, old Major Warren, you can't come it over the Mormons, Far above Arkansas fountains, pass between the Rocky Mountains. Now since it's so we have to go and leave the city of Nauvoo, I hope you'll all be strong and stout, and then no mob can back you out. The temple shining silver bright, and Christ's own glory gives the light, High on the mountains we will rear a standard to the nations far. Text from Fife and Fife, 1956, reprinted in Songs of the American West, R. E. Lingenfelter and R. A. Dwyer, 1968, Univ. California, pp. 202-203 with music. The Daughters of Utah pioneers published a variant in 1932. The tune is similar to Old Dan Tucker, especially the choruses, but the music to the verses is a variant. The version in the DT, mistakenly under the name "On the Road to California," is much shortened and misses the point of the song. @Mormon @pioneer @persecution |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Jon W. Date: 10 Mar 02 - 08:37 PM Thanks, Dicho. I thought I had Fife & Fife but looking more closely I realize that what I have is a booklet that must have come with an LP with 19 songs. How many songs are in the original F&F book? |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Jon W. Date: 10 Mar 02 - 08:55 PM I looked on the web for MIDIs of "Old Dan Tucker." Some are quite different but this one is quite similar to the tune on the cassette from which I got "On the Road To California" which is in the DT, and of which Dicho posted the more complete version above. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Mark Ross Date: 10 Mar 02 - 09:07 PM The tune for the song about the Mountain Meadows Masssacre by Utah Phillips(the songs title is JOHN D. LEE)is HIRAM HUBBARD tune from the singing of Jean Ritchie. Mark Ross |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 10 Mar 02 - 09:58 PM There are several tunes for the Mountain Meadow Massacre. One, music given in Lingenfelter and Dwyer, p. 234, is from Fife (1953), p. 234. Others are listed from Fife (variant), Burt, Hubbard, Toelken and Laws. I haven't heard the Cisco Houston recording or seen the others (which could be similar to each other). Cheney, in Mormon Songs From The Rocky Mountains, p. 203, gives the tune and lyrics collected by Olive Burt. The verses in Lingenfelter and Dwyer and in Cheney differ. Olive Burt said; "All the versions are incomplete in places, but as all are obviously the same ballad, I have supplied missing stanzas of one version from the other two to produce a complete ballad of the 'Mountain Meadows Massacre.'" Jon, Fife's articles are in various volumes of "Western Folklore" and in the "Utah Humanities Review." Fife and Fife (1956), "Saints of Sage and Saddle," is a hardcover book published by the University of Indiana Press. The version in the DT is very similar to Olive Burt's, and I would guess is a slight revision of hers. The song "John D. Lee" seems to be a modern version, by Ritchie or another folk singer. My next post is a version from the Ely White Pine News, Ely, Nevada, March 19, 1870. Fife printed it in 1953 in Western Folklore, XII no. 4. |
Subject: Lyr Add: MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE (2) From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 10 Mar 02 - 10:29 PM Lyr. Add: MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE (2) In Indian garb and color Those bloody hounds were seen, To flock around that little train, All on the meadow green. To see mothers and their children All flowing in their gore, Oh such an awful sight, I think Was never seen before! Then Lee, the leader of this band, To them, his word did give, That if their arms they would give up He'd surely let them live. But when their arms they did give up, And turned to Cedar City, They rushed on them in Indian style, Oh, what a human pity! They melted down with one accord, Like wax before the flame; Both men and women, old and young; Oh, Utah, blush for shame! By order of their General This deed was done, you see; The leader of this wicked band, His name was John D. Lee. Then afterward they tried to clean Themselves of all the shame, And to get out the best they could; The Indians bear the blame. Ely White Pine News, Ely, Nevada, March 19, 1870, p. 3; reprinted in T. E. Cheney 1968 (1981), Mormon Songs From the Rocky Mountains, p. 202. Tune, if any, unknown. The affair took place in 1857. Lee was convicted, and shot at the site 20 years later, on March 23, 1877. The train consisted of 140 emigrants led by Captain Charles Fancher. All but 17 small children were killed. A large band of Paiutes were with Ford and his attackers. At the time, war was imminent between the Mormons and the US Army under Johnson. Feelings ran high, many of the Mormons remembered the persecutions from Missourians (where Joseph Smith, who founded the new religion, was martyred), the burning of their temple at Nauvoo and losses of all their possessions. |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: masato sakurai Date: 10 Mar 02 - 10:48 PM The tune to EARLY THIS SPRING WE'LL LEAVE NAUVOO is not from Fife & Fife (1956), but from Damon (1936), which is definitely "Old Dan Tucker" itself. The source (S. Foster Damon, Series of Old American Songs, Brown University Library, 1936) is a collection of songs "Reproduced in Facsimile From Original or Early Editions in the Harris Collection of American Poetry and Plays, Brown University." The facsimile edition of "Old Dan Tucker" (which Damon dates 1843) is one and the same as this item in Levy (Click on the title):
Title: Old Dan Tucker. A Celebrated Ethiopian Ballad.
Dan Emmett's "first edition" is:
Title: Old Dan Emmit's Original Banjo Melodies. The Original Old Dan Tucker. Richard Jackson says of this editon: "Though the text of 'Old Dan Tucker' was indeed written by Emmett, the melody was not his composition. Its origin is not known." (Popular Songs of Nineteenth-Century America, Dover, 1976, p. 278). See also The Fiddler's Companion (s.v. Old Dan Tucker).
The Cheney tune (verse part) Dicho sent to me is not the Emmett version, but somewhat resembles the "Johnn Cake" tune (in Fife & Fife, Cowboy and Western Songs, Potter, 1969, p. 22). ~Masato
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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 10 Mar 02 - 11:43 PM These songs all have the same meter, but the rise and fall of the notes differ. They may be said to belong to the "Dan Tucker" cluster. Chords for "Early This Spring We'll Leave Nauvoo" are given in Lingenfelter and Dwyer. (G)Early this spring we'll leave Nauvoo, and on our journey (D)we'll pursue; We'll (G)go and bid the mob farewell, and let them go to (D7)heaven or hell. Cho.: So (G)on the way to California (D7)in the spring we'll (G)take our journey, Far above (C)Arkansas fountains, (D7)pass be (G)tween the (D7)Rocky (G)Mountains. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE MORMON BATTALION SONG From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Mar 02 - 12:47 AM Lyr. Add: THE MORMON BATTALION SONG In forty-six we bade adieu To loving friends and kindred too; For one year's service, one and all Enlisted at our country's call, In these hard times. We onward marched until we gained Fort Leavenworth, where we obtained Our outfit- each a musket drew- Canteen, knapsack, and money too, In these hard times. Our colonel died- Smith took his place, And marched us on at rapid pace; O'er hills and plains, we had to go, Through herds of deer and buffalo, In these hard times. At length we came to Santa Fe, As much fatigued as men could be; With only ten days there to stay, When orders came to march away, In these hard times. Three days and twenty we march'd down Rio Del Norte, past many a town; Then changed our course- resolved to go Across the mountains, high or low, In these hard times. We found the mountains very high, Our patience and our strength to try; For, on half rations, day by day, O'er mountain heights we made our way, In these hard times. We traveled twenty days or more, Adown the Gila River's shore- Crossed o'er the Colorado then, And marched upon a sandy plain, In these hard times. We thirsted much from day to day, And mules were dying by the way, When Lo! to view, a glad scene burst, Where all could quench our burning thirst, In these hard times. We traveled on without delay, And quartered at San Luis Rey; We halted there some thirty days, And now are quartered in this place, In these hard times. A "Mormon" soldier band we are: May our great Father's watchful care In safety kindly guide our feet, Till we again, our friends shall meet, And have good times. O yes, we trust to meet our friends Where truth its light to all extends- Where love prevails in every breast, Throughout the province of the blest, And have good times. Composed by Azariah Smith, a Battalion private, while quartered in San Diego. From Daniel Tyler, 1881, A Concise History of the Mormon Battalion in the Mexican War, p. 287-289. Reproduced in Cheney, T. E., 1968 (1981), Mormon Songs From The Rocky Mountains, p. 47-48. There are several songs about the Mormon Battalion. One was written by Eliza R. Snow, one of Brigham Young's wives. It was published in Tyler's book (1881) under the title "The Mormon Battalion and First Wagon Road Over the Great American Desert." One of the verses went: Ere the Battalion started out Upon that most important route, 'Twas thus predicted by the tongue Of Apostle Brigham Young, "If to your God and country true, You'll have no fighting there to do." Was General Kearney satisfied? Yes, more- for he with martial pride Said, "O'er the Alps Napoleon went, But these men crossed a continent." @Mormon @pioneer @military |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Mar 02 - 12:39 PM The last line of stanzas in the Mormon Battalion song, "In these hard times," appears in the songsheet "Hard Times," pub. by Leonard Deming (n. d.), prob. mid-19th C. Typical verse: The tailor will cry out his dye-stuff is scarce, And as for back bills, they are all but a farce; So he must have silver for all that is due, Yet logwood, soap and vinegar, make a good blue, In these hard times. From the American Memory, 19th C. song sheets. The tune, not given, probably is "Courting the Widow's Daughter |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 02 Apr 02 - 03:02 PM Another song by Levi Hancock has been posted on thread 46039, "The Black Hills Waltz." Black Hills |
Subject: RE: LYR ADD: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: Lonesome EJ Date: 02 Apr 02 - 04:18 PM Regarding Mountain Meadows, it seems doubtful that Lee and the other "Avenging Angels", as the Mormon Church Militia was called, would have carried out the massacre without instruction from church officials, and particularly from Brigham Young. Lee went to his grave protesting that he had been a fall guy. Thoroughbred horses, money, goods, and children surviving the massacre were distributed throughout the settlements. Since the massacre, Temple officials have avoided any comment on it, and a plaque at the sight only discloses that "a massacre occurred here". Recent excavations to accomodate a new monument disclosed a mass grave, and by law archaeologists were notified, but were given only 48 hours to examine the remains. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 3 Mormon Folk Songs From: GUEST Date: 21 May 12 - 04:01 PM As there was no telegraph, there was no way possible Brigham Young in Great Salt Lake City could have communicated any orders or directives to the people in Cedar City concerning the Fancher Train. From the time the train arrived in Cedar and then out to Mountain Meadows, it was impossible for a rider to travel to Salt Lake and back with any instructions. As much as people would like Brigham Young to have been in on the plot, it simply does not fit the facts. Furthermore, with the US Army on the march towards Salt Lake City in 1857, the idea of killing a wagon train full of people hardly fits Brigham Young's pragmatic thinking. It would obviously be an excaberation of an already volatile situation and provide the US government plenty of basis for retaliation. There would be no strategic rationale for such a move and flies in the face of Brigham Young's edict that no harm should occur to Army personnel. John D. Lee was certainly not the only guilty party in the massacre however, and was without doubt, the scapegoat. There was such a veil of secrecy placed over the tragedy by those involved that it was impossible to ferret out all involved, and Lee wasn't talking. He got what he deserved and the rest of the perpetrators have since been accountable to God. |
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