Subject: Irish Kid's Songs From: GUEST,m weaver - weaverdun@aol.com Date: 29 Jan 01 - 05:57 PM I've been asked to do a school program for St. Patrick's Day - and I have loads of songs appropriate for older children - love songs and history and tales - but I'm a little short on the 5 to 8 year olds. I was surprised to find only 2 songs in the dbase by searching kids/Irish - but loads and loads of Scots songs. Any suggestions? |
Subject: Index: Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songbook From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jan 01 - 06:28 PM I recently picked up a great little book called Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs from Mercier Press. I'm going to ask my friend Mr. Scanner to copy the index for you. You'll find that many of the songs are in our database (just click on the links). If there are others that interest you, I'll be glad to post them. -Joe Offer-
Note that many of these songs may not be acceptable to politically-correct American parents, and many probably aren't suitable for 5 to 8 year olds. You may also want to take a look at our Children's Street Songs thread.
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Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 29 Jan 01 - 07:58 PM Yes! Isn't that a great book, Joe? I also have (at school) another great book of Irish children's songs called "Moonpenny". I will look it up when I'm at school and post the info. It has some of the above and more and it's more recent. |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Snuffy Date: 29 Jan 01 - 08:05 PM Hey Joe, I'd like #44 Poor Roger is Dead - I think we sang it as Old Roger when I was a kid. I can remember some of the verses - is this the one? Old Roger is dead and he lies in his grave .. They planted an apple tree over his head ... The apples grew ripe and they all fell (off/down?) ... ... Old Roger got up and he gave her a knock ... Which made that old woman go hippety-hop ... Also, would #2. Stalky Bluebells be what we called 'In and out the Dusky Bluebells' and is #9. This Old Man 'Knick-knack paddy-whack, give a dog a bone'? Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jan 01 - 08:15 PM I'll post some lyrics later this evening. Gotta go teach a class. Fortunately, the book is set up so Mr. Scanner can copy lyrics very easily. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Bev and Jerry Date: 29 Jan 01 - 08:18 PM We've had success with "The Rattlin' Bog" (it's in the DT). There's a better (for young kids) American version which is usually called "A Tree in the Woods" or "The Green Grass Grows All Around". Add your own hand movements. Bev and Jerry |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Alice Date: 29 Jan 01 - 11:25 PM There is a bit of a folk story about fairies and a hunchback named Donal that goes along with the song Monday Tuesday (usually sung in Gaelic) here: Donal and Monday, Tuesday. You can hear the file where I tell the story and sing some lines of the song. I haven't completed a file of just the song, but I will do before March 17. Check back and I will have the song and the lyrics as I sing them in English. Alice |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: raredance Date: 29 Jan 01 - 11:54 PM Another book to look for through your library or interlibrary loans is "Songs and Sayings of an Ulster Childhood" by Alice Kane and edited by Edith Fowke (1983, McClelland & Stewart, Toronto, Canada. isbn 0-7710-3210-2) rich r |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Amergin Date: 30 Jan 01 - 12:00 AM Maderine Rue is also a nice children's song..... |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Sandy Paton Date: 30 Jan 01 - 12:00 AM Ewan MacColl and Dominic Behan shared a Folkways LP titled The Singing Streets, with Dominic contributing Irish kids' street songs from his own youthful days. MacColl, of course, was matching him with Scottish street songs. Fine album. All of the old Folkways material is available from Smithsonian/Folkways now, so you ought to be able to get it, maybe even from Dick Greenhaus at Camsco Music. Give it a go! Sandy |
Subject: Lyr Add: STALKY BLUEBELLS^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 01:20 AM STALKY BLUEBELLS In and out through stalky bluebells, Tapp-er-ap-er-ap-er on your shoulder, Follow me to Derry City, Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids |
Subject: Lyr Add: THERE WAS A CROOKED MAN ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 01:51 AM THERE WAS A CROOKED MAN There was a crooked man,
@Irish @kids |
Subject: Lyr Add: CUT THE LOAF ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 01:56 AM CUT THE LOAF When I was young Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids |
Subject: ADD; Five O'Clock Is Striking ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 02:01 AM FIVE O'CLOCK IS STRIKING And five o'clock is striking, Mother may I go out?
@Irish @kids |
Subject: ADD; Did You Ever See the Devil ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 02:11 AM DID YOU EVER SEE THE DEVIL? Did you ever see the divil, with his wooden leg and shovel To the divil's great delight, sure the spuds got black with blight, Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids |
Subject: ADD: Ballyconnell Fair ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 02:21 AM BALLYCONNELL FAIR Two brothers bold called Mick and Pat who lived near Derrylin, The morning of the fair arrived - a shocking fog and mist, At Gortaree now Mary Jane, she played an awful trick, They reached the Green at half-past eight approaching daylight, Now both men's dead, God rest their souls, but still the story's told,
@Irish @kids |
Subject: ADD: Tam Brown ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 02:34 AM TAM BROWN Let the king take the queen and the queen take the knave, The queen takes the knave and the knave takes the ten, The knave takes the ten and the ten takes the nine, The nine take the eight and the eight take the seven, Let the eight take the seven and the seven take the six, Let the seven take the six and the six take the five, Let the six take the five and the five take the four, Let the five take the four and the four take the tray, The four takes the tray and the tray takes the deuce, The tray takes the deuce and the deuce takes the ace, Let the deuce take the ace and the ace take them all, See CARDSONG Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Night Owl Date: 30 Jan 01 - 02:36 AM This is REALLY neat Joe..THANKS!!! |
Subject: ADD: Down By the River ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 02:40 AM DOWN BY THE RIVER Down by the river Sweetheart, sweetheart, Will you marry me?' Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids |
Subject: ADD: Round Apple ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 03:00 AM ROUND APPLE 1. Round apple, round apple, 2.In her carriage, in her carriage, 3. Then up comes her father 4.'I care not, I care not, See "Round Apples" - a Scottish version Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids @playparty |
Subject: ADD: The Dark-Eyed Gypsy ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 03:07 AM THE DARK-EYED GYPSY There were seven gypsies in the wood `Why did you leave your house and land? `What care I for my house and land
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Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Sorcha Date: 30 Jan 01 - 03:12 AM Wow, Joe. This just adds to my list of "Child" tunes to post, you know. I'm already way behind. |
Subject: ADD: Here's the Robbers Passing By^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 03:43 AM HERE'S THE ROBBERS PASSING BY Here's the robbers passing by, What did the robbers do to you, Stole my watch and stole my chain, Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids @playparty |
Subject: ADD: Johnny Todd (Irish)^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 03:49 AM JOHNNY TODD (2) Johnny Todd, he took a notion For a week she wept and sorrowed I will buy you beads and earrings What care I for beads and earrings Weep no more my dearest Mary Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @sailor @travel @Irish |
Subject: ADD: Kitty's Toys ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 04:00 AM KITTY'S TOYS I wish I had a soldier, a soldier, a soldier, I wish I had a bright flag; a fine flag; a fair flag, I wish I had a small ship; a strong ship; a good ship, I wish I had a penny, a penny, a penny, But Johnny stole my penny, my penny, my penny, Now John would be my soldier, my soldier, my soldier, When Johnny gets a whacking, a whacking, a whacking, Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids |
Subject: ADD: Poor Roger ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 04:27 AM POOR ROGER Poor Roger is dead and he lies in his grave, They planted an apple tree over his head, The apples grew ripe and they all fell off There came an old woman a-picking them up, Poor Roger got up and he gave her a kick, Which made the old woman go hippity hop,
@Irish @kids I'll post the tunes to these later. If I didn't, I'd be in big trouble with MMario. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: ADD: Fair Rosa ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 04:43 AM FAIR ROSA 1.Fair Rosa was a lovely child, 2. A wicked fairy cast a spell, 3. Fair Rosa slept for a hundred years, 4. The hedges they all grew around 5. A handsome prince came a-riding by 6. He cut the hedges one by one 7. He kissed fair Rosa's lily-white hand 8. Fair Rosa will not sleep no more Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids @love @courting |
Subject: ADD: Henry My Son (2)^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 04:55 AM HENRY MY SON (2) Where have you been all day, Henry, my son? What, did you have to eat, Henry,my son? What will you leave your mother, Henry, my son? What will you leave your brother, Henry, my son? What will you leave your father, Henry, my son? What will you leave your sweetheart, Henry, my son? Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @food @death @treachery @Irish |
Subject: ADD: All Around the Loney-O ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 05:01 AM ALL AROUND THE LONEY-O There were two sisters going to school, She had a baby on her knee She held the baby to her heart She held the baby to her breast There is a river wide and deep Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. Child #20 @Irish @murder @baby |
Subject: ADD: Joseph and the Gentle Mary ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 05:06 AM JOSEPH AND THE GENTLE MARY Joseph and the gentle Mary Through the streets they wandered weary, Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Xmas @religious |
Subject: ADD: The Holly and Ivy Girl^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 05:31 AM THE HOLLY AND IVY GIRL Come, buy my nice fresh ivy, and my holly boughs so green, I have the fairest branches-that ever yet were seen. Come, buy from me, good Christians, and let me home, I pray, And I'll wish you a merry Christmas time and a happy New Year's Day. Ah! Won't you take my ivy? the loveliest ever seen. Ah! Won't you have my holly boughs? all you that love the green. Do! Take a little bunch of each, and on my knees I'll pray, That God may bless your Christmas, and be with you New Year's Day. Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986. @Irish @kids @Xmas filename[ HOLLYIVY JRO Apr01 ^^ Whew! Well, that finishes the texts. Mr. Scanner was very helpful with them, but he's not very good at tunes. It will be a while before I get them finished. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: GUEST,kytrad Date: 30 Jan 01 - 07:46 PM Here's one I learned from Bess Cronin in 1952, in Lisbemuir, County Cork: Ho-aro we rattled 'em(Tune: The Wind that Shakes the Barley) My kids loved to dance to this one. Jean Ritchie Line Breaks <br> added. The indents are a bit more complicated, Jean, but the line breaks are just <br>. |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: GUEST,kytrad Date: 30 Jan 01 - 07:49 PM Sorry- I had it all printed out in separate lines, but it wants to run all together. What's the secret of getting it to print out as a poem? Jean |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Snuffy Date: 30 Jan 01 - 08:07 PM The mudcat server strips out all the line breaks, so you have to put <BR> at the end of each line to make it show up right.
Ho-aro we rattled 'em Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Alice Date: 30 Jan 01 - 08:08 PM Jean, at the end of each line, type < br > without the spaces between the < > and the br. That will "break" the line you type, so the next line will start at the left side margin instead of running together. Nice song, by the way. I've never seen those lyrics before. Alice |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: MMario Date: 30 Jan 01 - 08:11 PM joe - if mr scanner want to e-mail some of them to me, he may. |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: MMario Date: 30 Jan 01 - 08:17 PM joe - I'll do an NWC file of Jean's song tomorrow. (or at least a first approximation.) |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 01 - 09:25 PM Jean, is there a name for that song? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: ADD: Twas Down in the Meadows ^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jan 01 - 12:27 AM I guess I missed one. -Joe, working away on the tunes-
`Twas down in yon meadows where the violets are blue, CHORUS I said, `My pretty Polly, if you'll fancy me, `Tis straight to some dealer I'll quickly away, See: I WOULD THAT THE WARS WERE ALL DONE Source: "Cut the Loaf: Irish Children's Songs," Carmel O Boyle, Mercier Press, 1986.
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Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: alison Date: 31 Jan 01 - 12:39 AM I don't know any of these... maybe a different part of Ireland........ I have a good book though....."Keep the kettle boiling" Belfast street songs etc... out of Joe's first list a few of them eg. Mairies wedding are definately Scottish, not Irish.... for older kids you might do "Wee Willies' lost his marley"....... lines repaeated over and over...... I think I've posted it before... very easy to do.... "Rattlin' bog" is always good.. so is "I'll tell me ma: slainte alison |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring Date: 31 Jan 01 - 01:46 AM I can't [dare not] imagine how "Mairi's Wedding" is included as an Irish song. Alison is right, it's Scottish through and through: words, to a trad tune, by Sir Hugh Roberton. **Pulleeze** do not deprive him of his rights. The thing is still in copyright, after all!! Its real title is "Lewis Bridal Song". |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jan 01 - 02:41 AM OK, MMario - the MIDI's are on their way to Alan of Australia, and will soon appear at Mudcat MIDIs. Whew! -Joe Offer- |
Subject: Cut the Loaf - Irish Children's Songbook From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jan 01 - 02:51 AM Well, Murray - the book is published in Ireland, apparently for local consumption. It appears to be a songbook for Irish children, who might be likely to sing some songs other than those that originated in Ireland. It's a nice collection of songs, but I did find it frustrating that there is no background information on the songs at all, other than to say that a couple were by Percy French and a couple more by Thomas Moore. No other songwriter attributions are given, not even for "Will Ye Go, Lassie, Go?" -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Snuffy Date: 31 Jan 01 - 08:52 AM A lot of them are not exclusively Irish - I recall versions of nearly 20 of them from my childhood in Northwest Englnd in the 50s, so I guess you'd also find them in any country where English is spoken. And a song doesn't have to originate in a country to become traditional there. I think some of Eric Bogle's songs are well on the way to becoming traditional in Ireland, while they're probably restricted to dedicated folkies here in England. And recent threads have proved that both the Wild Rover and the Black Velvet Band are originally English - but they are still traditional Irish songs now.(and English) |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: MMario Date: 31 Jan 01 - 09:00 AM Huzzah, Joe! |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: jeepman (inactive) Date: 31 Jan 01 - 10:15 AM You don't want to forget "The Unicorn Song", by The Irish Rovers. Jeepman |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: GUEST,Melissa - weaverdun Date: 31 Jan 01 - 11:19 AM This is an extraordinary resource! Thank you all so much for your postings. I had I'll Tell Me Ma on my list, as well as the Rattlin' Bog. I also remembered some songs I knew from scanning the Scots kids songs in the dbase. I have a nice Irish version of Scarborough Fair that I got from Frank Harte. Also Brian O'Lynn - I know I have the words down somehwere at home. Funnily enough I first heard Brian O'Lynn from Norman Kennedy. Norman always said that the Scots, Irish and English borrowed songs that they liked freely from one another, and sometimes the songs were localized to the point where you couldn't say where they had first originated. He also said that he wasn't above singing an English song now and then, provided it was a good one. Oh! I was really excited to see the words to Fan-a-Winnow. I was collecting weaving and spinning songs several years ago for a concert at a museum and Frank Harte gave me a number of songs. He sang me a little scarp about Barney the Band-tier, thinking that the band tier was a weaving mill job. But I asked Norman Kennedy about it and he said no, the band-tier is an agricultural job - the fellow who braids and ties a band of wheat or barley to tie up the shooks. But the song scrap was charming and I always wished for more of it. I should love to have the rest of the alphabet someday! I suppose I might introduce myself...I am a singer of traditional unaccompanied songs, and also a weaver and spinner. I studied weaving and spinning with Norman Kennedy for many years and we remain good friends. I also had a chance to work with Frank Harte at Augusta two years running and I learned a lot of songs from him. Thanks again for all the bits.
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Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 31 Jan 01 - 11:24 AM "Moon Penny, a collection of rhymes, songs and play-verse for and by children. Gathered in Ireland by Mill Meek. Ed. by John Loesberg, music transcribed by Bebhinn Ni Mheara" It's an Ossian publication, 21 Iona Green, Cork, Ireland But I got it at Ossian USA phone # 1 (603)783-4383 It's a great book with great illustrations. Joe O, these words are great- thanks for sharing them! |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: Alice Date: 31 Jan 01 - 11:26 AM To add to what alison and Murray wrote, note that "Will Ye Go Lassie, Go" (Wild Mountain Thyme, Braes of Balquidder) is also Scottish, not Irish. |
Subject: RE: Irish Kid's Songs From: MMario Date: 31 Jan 01 - 01:28 PM *d*a*n*g*!* Joe - I can sing the lyrics for the Little Pack o'Tailor's to the midi's I have for The Wind that Shakes the Barley- but can't fit them to the tune in NWC! sorry!
grumble, mumble,whine it should fit, it fits when I sing it but it don't fit when I try to put it in the freekin' program |
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