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Goodbye trad and ballad
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Subject: Goodbye trad and ballad ....... From: death by whisky Date: 01 Feb 01 - 07:11 PM I was asked to go and jam with a group who described themselves as "left of centre pop",i.e Cheryl Crow,Stones,Manics,Red Hot Chilli Peppers etc etc. It was brilliant,exciting,funky,exactly what is needed at this moment in time.I dont know about you but sometimes the trad and ballad can get a bit "samey".
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 01 Feb 01 - 07:47 PM Name yer own pizen, stranger! Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: GUEST,CraigS Date: 02 Feb 01 - 07:09 PM No harm in that - just don't forget what you've learned to respect. |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: katlaughing Date: 02 Feb 01 - 07:12 PM I really enjoy some of the groups you mention and don't forget Crash Test Dummies and Shawn Mullin's songs. Crash Test Dummies have a lully one of them wrote for his son and it is beautiful; could easily "crossover" into neo-trad, if there is such a designation. Have fun, there is room for it all. kat |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Feb 01 - 07:47 PM Every type of music can get a bit samey, including "left of centre pop". So you take a break and have a change, and probably find when you come back that there are things about it that you hadn't seen before. |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: GUEST,joe Date: 02 Feb 01 - 08:00 PM isn't your heart 'left of center'? Anyway, trad & ba'd can be cut to fit. |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: Catrin Date: 02 Feb 01 - 09:10 PM I do know what you mean - much as I love the trad stuff (probably my best love) I have recently re-discovered Dan Hicks - what energy and joy in the music! |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 03 Feb 01 - 11:53 AM Trad. isn't good because it's old. It's old because it's good---and relavant too. Here's to a semblance of mutual inclusion. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: Lonesome EJ Date: 03 Feb 01 - 12:54 PM Hey DBW. My band plays a hell of a lot of stuff that I'd be reluctant to share with folks on this forum, but we do it because its fun, and that's the main point of music to me. I do owe everyone here a debt for helping me re-focus on traditional blues, and compelling me to write tunes and work on my guitar technique. Where I go from this point with music is anybody's guess. But for you...as we once said long ago "if it feels good, do it." |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: Matt_R Date: 03 Feb 01 - 01:12 PM Well, I just started listening to the radio a few days ago...the alternative rock station mind you, not pop radio. There seems to be a really exciting trend now, that even the heaviest of bands, i.e. Creed, Lifehouse, Sister Seven, Fuel, etc. are using a lot of acoustic instruments nowadays. Mandolins seem to be really popular now, playing acoustic fills and rhapsodies with acoustic guitars in contrast to the electrics. Green Day is adding accordions and pseudo-folk to their humourous punkish sound. It's really making me feel good about the course of modern rock. Also, I've been hearing a LOT of positive, life-affirming songs. Heavy AND positive...and actually a good number of rockin' love songs too. There's new band out from England called Coldplay who are excellent. Their music is very dreamy...lots of acoustic guitars...minimal electrics...soft drums...and some really haunting piano work. The last song on their new album "Parachutes" is really cool. It's got this jazzy piano stuff going on..and really positive sounding too. As Coldplay says "From the moment I wake, till the moment I rest I'll be there at your side...just TRY and stop me!" --Matt |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: death by whisky Date: 03 Feb 01 - 01:51 PM Thans everyone,Im actually covering for a ballad singer for the next few weeks.The new group has given me a real boost,and it was also nice to see all these replies. Good idea kat.yes joe.Very true.Asocialist at heart!!!! This should be the most interesting season yet. |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 03 Feb 01 - 01:56 PM Most of the Trad stuffs been around 100+ plus years, so I guess it will take more than this thread to end it. I wonder how long, who was it you mentioned, music will last ?? When does Trad stuff become Trad stuff anyhow, does it become Veteran or Vintage before it becomes Trad?? Personally I like this definition, "You have to have been dead at least 200 years to write Folk Music" JohnB. |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: paddymac Date: 03 Feb 01 - 06:26 PM The trad nazis would probably be apoplectic at the merest suggestion that trad can be anything other than something at least 200 years old. But, IMHO, that kind of thinking has an effect that is nearly exactly opposite what their purported intent is. It drives people away, which is far more of a threat than innovations and fresh interpretive ideas comming in from other forms. No one should ever be made to feel they are locked into some kind of musical prison. All of us that are still alive continue to grow and evolve, and if that means testing other styles, or even abandoning current conceptions of folk/trad, well, that's called freedom of expression. Go forth and enjoy life! |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: John Routledge Date: 03 Feb 01 - 07:37 PM No problem at all with people enjoying many forms of music. Variety is stimulating! I would not however sing an unaccompanied traditional folk song in a Blues Club and hope that Blues singers would not sing Blues in a Traditional Folk Club - even though I love Blues. Horses for courses Geordie Broon |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: crockett1 Date: 04 Feb 01 - 05:42 PM just browsing through your thread and thought i'd mention that in scotland under the tmsa (traditional music and song association) rules for competition the term traditional has been reduced from 100 years old to a mere fifty years. |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: Dave Wynn Date: 04 Feb 01 - 06:05 PM Status Quo do a tune called Burning Bridges which we "borrowed" off them and it fits very nicely into a trad tune set (march time)....No one seems to realise it's a SQ tune (cept SQ fans....) Spot. |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: Snuffy Date: 04 Feb 01 - 06:33 PM Is competition traditional? Since when did |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 05 Feb 01 - 12:20 AM Paddymac, Assuming all the things us "trad nazis" (as you so delicately put it) tend to believe strongly, aside from push people away, these have allowed us to find and gravitate easily to others who have the actual knowledge necessary to make our informed mutual observations about this music we have been involved with so long. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Goodbye trad and ballad From: death by whisky Date: 05 Feb 01 - 02:01 PM A standard of Irish music is maintained by competition,specifically county feis,first three to provincial feis, first three to nationali.e Fleadh Ceol,last weekend in August(its in Listowel this year,just seven miles away).Last year my nephew won the under 15 accordian,he's touring England and Scotland (not Wales!!)in February. On anothr note,I have combined Irish tunes with quite a few modern rythms,rock ,blues,.jazz,funk etc. E.g The Pinch of Snuff/Reggae,Maid behind the bar/ska,and songs Wild Rover/The guns of Navarone-ska Jungle Boogie/The Musical Priest Cunla/how can I descibe it,metal,distorted with solos that were ummm!!! Great fun |
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