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Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity

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OLD MAID IN THE GARRET
OLD MAID SONG


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GUEST,Vienna 11 Apr 01 - 01:45 PM
mousethief 11 Apr 01 - 01:49 PM
sheila 11 Apr 01 - 01:59 PM
mousethief 11 Apr 01 - 02:01 PM
BEK 11 Apr 01 - 02:15 PM
MAG (inactive) 11 Apr 01 - 02:23 PM
Giac 11 Apr 01 - 02:49 PM
Giac 11 Apr 01 - 02:51 PM
Gary T 11 Apr 01 - 02:55 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 11 Apr 01 - 04:25 PM
GUEST,Sheila 11 Apr 01 - 07:02 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 11 Apr 01 - 07:07 PM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Apr 01 - 07:15 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 11 Apr 01 - 07:33 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 11 Apr 01 - 07:58 PM
dick greenhaus 11 Apr 01 - 08:04 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 11 Apr 01 - 08:13 PM
Lin in Kansas 11 Apr 01 - 11:56 PM
ddw 12 Apr 01 - 12:15 AM
Night Owl 12 Apr 01 - 12:43 AM
GUEST,Bruce O. 12 Apr 01 - 12:51 AM
GUEST,Bob Coltman 23 Nov 05 - 07:35 PM
GUEST,Picnic Player 18 May 08 - 03:12 PM
GUEST,Mighty Hev 19 Feb 11 - 02:49 PM
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Subject: Take Her Out of Pity
From: GUEST,Vienna
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 01:45 PM

Please help! I am compiling a book of songs sung in the late '50's-earliest '60's at summer camp and need the lyrics to "Take Her Out of Pity." This is admittedly not a p.C., song, but it was very singable and is a part of camp history, Thank you!


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Subject: Lyr Add: TAKE HER OUT OF PITY (from Kingston Trio)
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 01:49 PM

I found this on www.google.com by searching for "take her out of pity" (quotes included). First page up had it.

TAKE HER OUT OF PITY
Bob Shane / Nick Reynolds / John Stewart

I had a sister Sally, she was younger than I am.
Had so many sweethearts, she had to deny them.
But as for sister Sarah, you know she hasn't many.
And if you knew her heart, she'd be grateful for any.

Chorus:
Come a lands man, a pins man, a tinker or a tailor;
doctor, a lawyer, soldier, or sailor.
A rich man, a poor man, a fool or a witty,
don't let her die an old maid but take her out of pity.

We had a sister Sally, she was ugly and misshapen.
By the time she was sixteen years old she was taken.
By the time she was eighteen, a son and a daughter.
Sarah's almost twenty-nine, never had an offer.

Chorus

She never would be scoldin'. She never would be jealous.
Her husband would have money to go to the alehouse.
He was there a-spendin'. She'd be home a-savin'
and I leave it up to you if she is not worth havin'.

Chorus

(c) 1960 Atzel Music, Inc., New York, NY (used without permission)

Alex


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: sheila
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 01:59 PM

That sounds very like a song I knew in Edinburgh in the 60s - "The Auld Maid In The Garret".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 02:01 PM

Rats. 4 minutes. I'm losing my touch.

Alex


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Subject: Lyr Add: OLD MAID IN THE GARRETT (Steeleye Span)
From: BEK
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 02:15 PM

"Old Maid in the Garret" was also recorded by Steeleye Span on "TIME" CD. It's one of my favorites of their songs.

THE OLD MAID IN THE GARRETT

Definitely to be taken with a large pinch of salt, this is probably the first (and last) time this song has been sung by women!

I was told by my aunt. I was told by my mother
That going to a wedding is the makings of another.
Well, if this be so, then I'll go without a bidding.
O kind Providence, won't you send me to a wedding.

CHORUS: And it's oh, dear me, how will it be
If I die an old maid in a garret?

Now there's my sister Jean; she's not handsome or good looking.
Scarcely sixteen and a fella she was courting.
Now she's twenty-four. she's a son and a daughter.
Here am I, forty-four, and I've never had an offer. CHORUS

I can cook and I can sew. I can keep a house right tidy,
Rise up in the morning and get the breakfast ready.
There's nothing in this wide world that makes my heart so cheery
As a wee fat man to call me his own deary. CHORUS

So come landsman or come townsman; come tinker or come tailor.
Come fiddler, come dancer, come ploughman or come sailor.
Come rich man, come poor man, come fool or come witty.
Come any man at all. Won't you marry out of pity? CHORUS

They say that the women are worse than the men.
They go down to hell and they're thrown out again.

HTML line breaks added. --JoeClone, 2-Jun-02.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 02:23 PM

Actually, Womenfolk did it as "Take me out of Pity" in their heyday. And yes, through the used record grapevine, I've got my collection.

(Thanks to Crossroads and Vinyl Resting Place in Portland OR)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: Giac
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 02:49 PM

See this previous thread:

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12058#92944

Tells how to look for it in the DT.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: Giac
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 02:51 PM

See this previous thread that tells how to find it in the DT:

take her out


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: Gary T
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 02:55 PM

I recall this as a traditional(?) song titled "Old Maid's Lament." The DT lists it as "Old Maid Song."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 04:25 PM

In the Scarce Songs 1 file on my website (www.erols.com/olsonw) you will find 17th century versions and later ones (click on 'Old Maid's Complaint'). As you will see, the modern form is no later than 1825.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 07:02 PM

Like Meg, I learned this song as being sung in the first person: "Come a landsman, a tendsman, a tinker or a tailor, Fiddler or a dancer, a plowboy, a sailor, Gentleman, a poor man, A fool or a witty, Don't you let me die an old maid, But take me out of pity." Now where did I learn this? And the chorus ended on the 5th, which to me was so unusual. Sheila


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 07:07 PM

I don't think you learned it from the author, because Martin Parker died about 1650.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 07:15 PM

I've never heard it except with "take me" rather than "take her". I don't know if that makes it more or less potentially offensive. I've never known anyone get offended by it anyway. And it's normally women who sing it anyway.

Has anyone ever written a version for a man who likes the idea of getting married, and can't understand why he never finds a taker?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 07:33 PM

Yes, and I had it typed up yesterday to post on the Mudcat Forum and my word processor save didn't work right and I don't know where it went. I'll take another look for it.


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Subject: Lyr Add: GO UP WEST
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 07:58 PM

[Retyped. Songs of maids eager to be wedded or bedded are legion. This type is much rarer.]

GO UP WEST

Oh, where is the girl who will go up West with me,
And live in some deserted spot? Now happy we will be! [How?
We will build a little cottage, with the ground for the floor,
A deer skin for the window, and a slab for the door.

Chorus:
Will you go up West, will you go up West?
Oh, will you go up West with me?

I care not for riches, but a beautiful form,
I want her to be righteous and never raise a storm,
Her hair and her eyes, both black they must be,
Now if you know of such a girl, just speak to her for me.

She must not be afraid if a-hunting I should go,
To chase the bounding elk or the wild buffalo;
And if I should be reaping, and it looks like rain,
She must not be afraid to help get in the grain.

Come all you pretty fair maidens and list to what I say,
One year from this present time I am going far away,
And if I do not find such a girl to be my wife,
I am going out to "batch it" the rest of my life.

--- Potter Co., Pennsylvania, c 1881. [no tune]

[Cf. Going to the West thread]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 08:04 PM

I refer all you seekers of equivalence to The Laird O' Cockpen.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 08:13 PM

Dick, how about asking Murray on Saltspring for a history of "The Laird of Cockpen". I'm confused as to whether there's evidence that the song we have is the original song, or not.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 11:56 PM

Does anyone recall what group did this one in the sixties or seventies? I seem to "hear" it being done by the Limelighters--??

Lin


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: ddw
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:15 AM

Don't think so, Lin. KT did it, but if the Limelighters did it in concert, they never recorded it as far as I know — and I think I still have all of their albums.

david


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: Night Owl
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:43 AM

I "hear" the same thing Lin.....do you know who recorded "The Seine" in the sixties/seventies?? I hear the same voices singing this and knew it as "The Old Maid's Lament".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 12:51 AM

Glenn Yarborough did it. Is that what you mean by Limelighter's? My recording, though is solo, not him singing with the Limelighters.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity (Kingston Trio)
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 07:35 PM

The Bob Shane copyright is laughable. The Trio, like everybody else in the 50s, learned their version of "Come a Landsman, a Pinsman" from Peggy Seeger, who recorded it on her first LP c. 1956. Hers is the definitive contemporary version.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: GUEST,Picnic Player
Date: 18 May 08 - 03:12 PM

I just finished a play called Picnic by William Inge, in Hollywood. One of our players was a folk singer. During the intermission she sang this song, and two other very sad Appalachian folk songs.

Since the play is about a group of "old maid school teachers" in Kansas, (whose lives get turned upside down by the young stud that drifts into town and then leaves again with a young girl), it seemed like a very fitting song for the play.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: GUEST,Mighty Hev
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 02:49 PM

In the Kingston trio version of 'take her out of pity', they sing 'come a landsman a pins man...'
Does anyone know what, if anything, is a pins man? Or is it a misheard lyric...?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Take Her Out of Pity
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 05:00 PM

This is one of the few folksongs referred to by Jane Austen. In Northanger Abbey, a character asks "Did you ever hear the old song 'Going to one wedding brings on another'?"

The sentiment is also well documented as a proverb, appearing as such, with 4 references, under "Wedding" in The Oxford Dictionary Of Proverbs.

Another woman who used regularly to sing the Old Maid In A Garrett version was Isabel Sutherland, the Scottish resident in a folk club run in the late 1950s by Bruce Dunnett (who employed also an English resident, Shirley Collins; an Irish one, Dominic Behan; an American, Sandy Paton + Stan Kelly as compère & anchor-man).

~Michael~


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