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Subject: River In The Pines I seek for From: Jarold Date: 16 Nov 00 - 09:14 PM I seek for it a long time without any success. I moved this message here from another thread on the same topic. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE RIVER IN THE PINES (Joan Baez) From: MMario Date: 16 Nov 00 - 09:26 PM THE RIVER IN THE PINES (Joan Baez)
I moved this message here from another thread on the same topic.
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Subject: DTADD: THE RIVER IN THE PINES (from Joan Baez) From: Mad Maudlin Date: 14 Apr 01 - 01:25 PM THE RIVER IN THE PINES (trad.)
Oh, Mary was a maiden
Now, Charlie he got married
'Twas early in the morning
Now every raft of lumber I think it was sung by Joan Baez, but I'm typing it from memory. Enjoy! :-) NG I made a few very minor corrections so it is now exactly the way Joan Baez sang it. Hope you don't mind. --JoeClone, 2-Aug-02. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com Date: 14 Apr 01 - 03:48 PM thanks...I was just trying to remember the words. it is a truly great song. mg |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: Art Thieme Date: 14 Apr 01 - 07:29 PM I don't recall Baez ding this song-----but it was done very nicely by folklorist John Berquist from Eveleth, Minnesota in the Mesabi Ironb Range. John's voice sounds like the North woods. A fine fellow. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: GUEST,ceiliwidow Date: 14 Apr 01 - 09:03 PM Joan Baez DID do this song. I believe the album was "Angelina" or anyway it contained a song called "Farewell Anglelina". |
Subject: DTADD: The River in the Pines From: Stewie Date: 14 Apr 01 - 11:30 PM Here's a longer version with a slightly different story. I can appreciate why it was somewhat truncated by Baez.
THE RIVER IN THE PINES --Stewie.
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Subject: DTADD: RIVER THROUGH THE PINE / BRANDYWINE From: raredance Date: 14 Apr 01 - 11:41 PM Sorry for the duplication. While I was off line typing, Stewie entered the Rickaby text. Luckily I gave it a #2 and Stewie's was the 2nd entry in the thread so it remins #2. Besides I have a #3 and #4 floowing #2.
THE RIVER IN THE PINES (2)
THE RIVER THROUGH THE PINE (3)
THE RIVER IN THE PINE (THE TOWN OF BRANDYWINE) (4) (2) From: Ballads and Songs of the Shantey-Boy by Franz Rickaby (1926 Harvard University Press) collected from William Bartlett of Eau Claire, Wisconsin. The Chippewa River arises in far northern Wisconsin and flows southwest through Eau Claire and empties into the Mississippi near Pepin, Wisconsin. (3 & 4) from: Lumbering Songs from the Northern Woods by Edith Fowke (1970 American Folklore Society) The Rickaby text is clearly the oldest. He adds nothing about its origin except that it was given to him. The two Canadian texts (3 & 4) have the added second verse describing Charlie's prowess as a driver and a lumberjack. They both also use "the town of Brandywine" in place of "the river in the pines". Versions 2 and 4 have a similar awkward 6 line stanza, the subject of which is expanded into two 4 line stanzas in #3. #3, however does not include the verses about meeting up with the widow Mary in later years that are part of #2 and #4. Note how "where the silent water ripples" in #2 has become "where the noisy waters ripple" in #4. #3 has the "death/breath" couplet not found in the others. The "brandywine" addition is puzzling. I could not find any Brandywines in Canada. In the USA they are mostly out east, OH MD DE, WV, VA, PA,and LA. None of them anywhere near Wisconsin
Some Recordings: rich r
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: raredance Date: 14 Apr 01 - 11:43 PM I really need a spell checker remins = remains floowing = following
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: Mad Maudlin Date: 15 Apr 01 - 05:02 AM Whoa! Who would have thought there were so many versions! That's really interesting. But I agree with Stewie: the short version is better. Hmmm, I must get all those recordings you mentioned... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 15 Apr 01 - 10:02 AM Part of the shortened text recorded by Baez was posted by MMario last year: River In The Pines Any chance of midis or abcs for some of these? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: raredance Date: 15 Apr 01 - 01:21 PM Rickaby prints o tune for (2) and Fowke has different tunes for (3) and (4). The Rickaby tune is the most lilting I guess. It is in 6/8 time with a lot of alternating quarter and eighth notes. Best of my recollection without digging out the album, it most resembles the Baez version. The Foran tune (4) is quite similar except it is in 2/2 (or 4/4) time with a couple of 3/2 measures and therefore doesn't bounce quite as much. The McMahon tune (3) is different and bears a strong resemblance to some of the "Peter Emberley" (Amberley, Emery etc.) tunes. The Berquist tune is also different. rich r |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: GUEST,Bard Judith Date: 17 Sep 05 - 04:28 PM You were asking for a midi... This comes from a discussion our fantasy-world-building group was having. It's based on an 'aural' version of "River in the Pines" and only the first half is 'accurate' to the Baez version. The second half is an improvisation on the tune - but y'all might still enjoy it! If you go up to the URL and change the '4' to a '3' you'll get a simpler version, by the way... http://stuwww.uvt.nl/~s528998/midigifts/lansquenetslamentv4.MID http://stuwww.uvt.nl/~s528998/midigifts/lansquenetslamentv3.MID |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Sep 05 - 02:38 AM I don't like the line about "Wisconsin's dreary clime," but I've heard people speak ill of my home state all my life. Oh, well. The Traditional Ballad Index entry calls the song "The River Through the Pines": River through the Pines, TheDESCRIPTION: "O Mary was a maiden when the birds began to sing, She was sweeter than the blooming rose so early in the spring...." She loves (Charlie), a shanty boy; the two are married. But he dies at his work; they are buried togetherAUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1926 (Rickaby) KEYWORDS: love courting marriage separation work logger death burial FOUND IN: US(MW) Canada(Ont,Que) REFERENCES (3 citations): Rickaby 30, "The River in the Pines" (1 text, 1 tune) Lomax-FSNA 56, "The River in the Pines" (1 text, 1 tune) Fowke-Lumbering #37, "The River through the Pine" (2 texts, 2 tunes) ST LoF056 (Partial) Roud #669 ALTERNATE TITLES: The Town of Brandywine Notes: As "The River in the Pines," this song is item dC33 in Laws's Appendix II. - RBW File: LoF056 Go to the Ballad Search form The Ballad Index Copyright 2006 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. Note: the Lomax version is taken from Rickaby, but Lomax has only the four verses used in the Baez recording. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: Haruo Date: 12 Jun 06 - 02:58 PM Joe, why did you bother moving the first post into this thread? It's riddled with typos (not sure if these were MMario's doing or not) and is also incomplete. And the lines are broken in half. When he ruled I mean seriously! Mad Maudlin's posting is much more accurate and much more complete and much closer to what Joan Baez actually sang on the record. Haruo |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Jun 06 - 01:15 AM Hi, Haruo - When MMario's (admittedly inadequate) transcription was off by itself, there was no corrected version to compare it with, and the incorrect version could be misleading - it's also very misleading to people who harvest songs for the Digital Tradition. In most cases, it seems best to group all information on a song together in one thread, so people can see for themselves. But while we're at it, here's a MIDI of the Rickaby tune. -Joe Offer- Click to play |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The River in the Pines From: GUEST,guest Date: 17 Feb 09 - 03:35 AM Does anyone know the chords to the Joan Baez version of this song? it would be great tom actualy play it. |
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