BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?

Subject: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: GUEST,calach
Date: 19 May 01 - 10:28 PM

Here's a site that needs your mudcatters help.
A site investigating the myths behind the Roman invasion of Scotland.
Click here and go to this site,Calach's Story then go to the bottom and click the "Scottish top 100 sites" banner.
This moves us up the charts!
We need the mudcatters help!
Cheers!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 20 May 01 - 10:32 AM

I've only had a chance to scan the pages so far, but thanks. By coincidence, one drunken night my mate Alex Roan (originally from Fife) wrote a poem about "Mons Gratias" . I'd had never heard about this and searches for variations on the spelling didn't turn up anything on the web. We were quite far off "Graupius".

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Shields Folk
Date: 20 May 01 - 01:28 PM

There weren't any scots there in 83AD so how can you call it Scotland.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 20 May 01 - 02:06 PM

Caledonia, Caledonia
What makes your Pict horde so hard?

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Giac
Date: 20 May 01 - 03:27 PM

Interesting stuff, and most of the sites linked from there are good, too. Thanks.

LOL, LEJ, have to admit that tune started in my head, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 May 01 - 04:39 PM

Great links, thanks!

I didn't see where to vote for yours, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 21 May 01 - 03:58 PM

Shields Folk:

Then why in the hell did we build "Hadrian's Wall"

(My Mother's maiden name was Puzelli)

Jody Gibson

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Manitas
Date: 21 May 01 - 05:25 PM

To keep out the Picts and other 'North Britons'. As Shields Folk says, the Scots were still in Ireland then and Dalriada was a few hundred years in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 21 May 01 - 05:31 PM

I'm waiting for Mel Gibson to make a movie; then I will accept the exact opposite as truth. :)

CC

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Shields Folk
Date: 21 May 01 - 05:32 PM

Funny you should say that Yank. Hadrians Wall runs from Wallsend to Bowness-on-Solway. The Wall at its furthest point is about 60 miles from the Scottish border, at its nearest point less than 10. It was built to mark an arbitrary Roman boundry. There were no English in Britain to keep in and no Scots to keep out. When the English did arrive they settled far to the north of the Wall and even the present border. At their furthest reach the Scots conquered far to the south of the Wall. The Wall has never been a border between England and Scotland. I was born north of the Wall and I am English by birth.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 May 01 - 05:57 PM

I read the whole story on your site. Very interesting! Romans were not really Italians, and Picts were certainly not Scots, but it's a great comfort to know that Rome's rapacious reach finally found its limits. Hurrah for the Picts!

There have been numerous successors to Imperial Rome since, and it is fascinating to note how many of them use the Roman symbols: such as the Imperial Eagle, the Fasces, big government buildings with Grecian columns in white marble, the lion, and the terms Kaiser, Czar, etc. Rome lives on in other guises. Pity about that.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 21 May 01 - 08:07 PM

shields folk:
O.K., thanks. Not that I knew anything about Hadrians wall anyway, I was just fishing.

Little Hawk.

You're absolutely right, the Romans were not Italian (or Hesperian as they were then called) they were what was left of the Trojans after the trojan wars. So the Trojans actually had the last laugh when they conquered Greece.
C A E S A R is properly pronounced "Kaisar" in latin.

and I wouldn't stake my life on the truth of the former statements. It's what I've been led to believe. I'll gladly bow to anyone who's put some effort into learning the historic facts.

Jody "Always willing to change my mind" Gibson

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 22 May 01 - 04:02 PM

Well, all the rest of you buggers knew a thing or two when the Norse men came!!!!! First the Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Danes, followed by the Vikings.

Then of course those bloody Normans (who were in fact Norse races that moved into the area of what we now call France-merd! I point my bum in their general direction!) came and bollixed up a real good system with injustice that still lingers today with their class and feudal systems.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 May 01 - 05:57 PM

Right on, Eric! It was a sorry day when those Normans took over the British Isles.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: GUEST,Oh what a load of piffle
Date: 22 May 01 - 08:17 PM

Looking for ifs and could bes .... this is it.

Facts that the current established Scottish Order like to ignore, the site is the work of retired cop, reciting the same old tripe we have heard for 400 years! Divide and rule ....

The natives called Picts used similar customs to their neighbors in Celtic England and Scotia (Ireland) they fought battles with their neighbors, traded with them and formed alliances as well. The Burial sites, Stones which are scattered all over the country show the links in granite.

The Romans - since speculation is all there seems to be - probably did not want the territory north of the border, too rugged and the land to bad for any benefit. Just my theory.

A far greater story lies in the ejection of the Roman from Britain and the role in that war of the Picts, Celts etc. In fact there is some evidence that it was a free for all as the Roman was driven slowly but firmly south. Even the Scoti came across from the wee isle, invited some say by the southern British, to share the spoils of the war.

On a point of information, there are no Scots today who could be pure Pict anymore than pure Celt.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 22 May 01 - 11:41 PM

Maybe not pure, but I know some folks whose noses have been Pict, at least.

Aloha,
Mark
(Had to say it before 'Spaw did.)

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 23 May 01 - 01:28 PM

And I knew a bloke who celt a car!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotland v's Italy.. 83AD.. Interested?
From: Red Eye
Date: 23 May 01 - 04:54 PM

There is another 'wall' made out of earth further North than Hadrians wall called Antoine's wall which was built when the romans pushed up into Scotland. In my history lessons, Scotland was Hibernia, and was formed up of several tribes, Celts (with a K), picts and Scots.