BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 11:34 AM

Actually, you guys may be on to something, here.... if we take Birmingham and give you New Jersey, and may we could give Idaho to France and take, say, Rhone province in exchange; let's see....we could give Nebraska to Iraq in exchange for the whole valley where civilization was started. And maybe trade Novosibirsk for a section of Alaska. Then we'd have ourtselves a built in incentive not to bomb each other.

Someone write Bushy boy and tell him we figured out a way to save him a LOT of money from his missile defense system!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Gervase
Date: 09 Jul 01 - 11:26 AM

OK, we'll take Noo Joisey if you'll take Birmingham and all the bloody roads around it!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: LoopySanchez
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 12:27 PM

How about if we just give you back New Jersey?

Just kidding, people!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Grab
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 01:33 PM

Amos, is that the same Adams who the Sam Adams beer is named after? Or a different Adams? Any relation?

I'd pass on your regards to Georgie boy, but I'm afraid he's not on the phone on account of being dead these last couple of hundred years...

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 11:28 AM

I was think of a different Adams, I think. The guy who hung out with Revere, Hancock, Paine, and that rtabble-rousing lot. Massachusetts guy!

Graham, no hard feelings; I knew you were joking but I wanted to vent a bit anyway -- please excuse! Oh, and send my apologies to Mister Third.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 05 Jul 01 - 01:19 AM

Amos, "If you-all were so effin' anxious to divest yourselves of Adams and Company, how come you spilled so much lucre and blood protesting the decision?" As well as I can remember, Gerry Adams and Company - by 'Company' I assume you mean Martin McGuiness - offered to decommission their muskets, but the government of England would not agree, and then sent the Hessians over for the bloodletting. Am I right, or am I totally (as Spaw would say) "Focked-up?"

Yours, etc., etc.

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: texastoolman
Date: 04 Jul 01 - 02:45 PM

you know
while we are celebrating our indepenece
we might also think of the price it cost the native pop.
we have the distinction of performing
alomst total genocide
long before hitler ever came on the scene
all hail maifest destiny
and almost totla extinction of the buffalo
in orde to starve out the natives
as for bush(we call him shrub,down here)
i'm sure if he has anything to do with it
he'll sacrifice alaska in order to further gouge
the american public
and call it free market trade
let him stick a feather in his hat
and call it trickle down economics
can anyone say"voodoo economics"
HAPPY FOURTH FOLKS
.................................tex

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Grab
Date: 04 Jul 01 - 02:41 PM

Amos, my humblest apologies for making a joke. Anyway, that's how you can tell George the Third was mad - he wanted to keep America! Wotta nutta...

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jul 01 - 10:54 AM

I sometimes wonder, if it hadn't been for American independence, would slavery have been abolished quicker in America, or would it have continued longer in Britain?

I'm inclined to think the latter. I imagine the danger of provoking a breakaway by the American Colonies would probably have been argued strongly by Wilberforce's opponents.

I think it could be argued that the dates of the abolition of slavery should be the really important dates in both countries. But how many people could say what they are?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 05:48 PM

Spaw:

You are worse than flat-rolled tin -- absolutely uncorrugatable!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 05:48 PM

Damn it Spaw, you got me chortling aloud again with that Sorcha Dorcha post.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 05:02 PM

Ya' know, I just gotta' pruuufreed sometimes. That word would be "allay" as opposed to "ally." However I would point out that both can apply to Larry, the Plug-O-Matic. Ally is what his posts usually are and allay is something he hasn't had in 32 years.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 04:59 PM

I vote for MMario's plan! I've got sponsors up in Cape Cod, and relatives and maybe sponsors in Canada, too. So I can be a citizen of your country, right?

I'm related to a sizable percentage of the island of Bermuda... can we make that a part of the deal as well?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 04:47 PM

I want to ally the fears of many of you who read Larry's (InOTB) post above regarding the future of things.

Well, I fear it will soon all be moot, after four years of the idiot Baby Bush at the helm, the world may just be a dusty grey dead rock in four years, no countries, no people, a planet of roaches. Cheers! ;-) Larry

Fear not friends, for should it be so, or even if it is so, Larry and Sorcha Dorcha will be playing on Friday night at the ruins of some joint on 42nd Street (unsponsored by the remains of the resident folk club as usual).

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 04:33 PM

As for celebrating "getting rid" of the Colonies, Graham, you sure paid the Hessians a nice piece of change to come stop our uppity little separation, dincha? If you-all were so effin' anxious to divest yourselves of Adams and Company, how come you spilled so much lucre and blood protesting the decision? Seems to me your appointed representative Mister Third was articulating a slightly different policy at the time.

'Course it could have all just been that impenetrable British subtlety at work, or the remarkable economic finesse that cost you almost all of the Empire and 80% of your currency's value in the last century...I couldn't say, being a sorta unsubtile sort myself. But somehow this malarkey jes' don' add up!

Regards,

A

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 03:26 PM

Sure we "stole" much of the American Southwest from Mexico, right after they "stole" it from Spain, who "stole" it from the Navajo, Zuni, Hopi, Apache, and Comanche, who "stole" it from the Anasazi and Sinagua, who "stole" it from whoever preceded them. We may need a Cultural Anthropologist to tell us what ancient tribe actually own it, but my feeling is it belongs to the snakes, lizards, and antelopes that still live there.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: InOBU
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 02:34 PM

Well, I fear it will soon all be moot, after four years of the idiot Baby Bush at the helm, the world may just be a dusty grey dead rock in four years, no countries, no people, a planit of roaches. Cheers! ;-) Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 10:01 AM

As provisional chairman of the Front for the Independance Of My Neighbour And Me (FITIOMNAM) I hereby declare the soverignty of 324 and 326 Maple Ave... Oh! no! My neighbour just seceded!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 09:44 AM

How about an Irish Commonwealth? Any country with citizens of Irish descent could join.

That would mean every country on the planet, for a start.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: MMario
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 09:35 AM

Well - as a Fanatical member of the Cape Cod Independence League - how's this for a scenario...

Cape Cod secedes from the US - allows the U.K. to become a territory; annexes Canada and reclaims the Sandwich Islands (Hawaii)

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Jul 01 - 09:27 AM

OK, How about this? Anyone who wants to be a state can be an independant state with rights respected and traditions celebrated. We stop worrying about who owns what historically and we all take responsibility for looking after the whole thing. We respect Joes right to wear tank tops. And we all try to get along without killing each other over something as inconsequential as whose ancestor lived where.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 10:20 PM

Hello Actually our independence should be celebrated on the six of July Bluebelle you can renounce your US citizenship it is called defection I think you can still do that. SharonA your right about the North American Indians but then again you think they would let us back in after the way we screwed them over the first time.I feel though we should not have any months for any particular ethnic group. Murray I will be damned if I wanted the US to Join with the UK I very much like my right to keep and bear arms

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Gareth
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 06:30 PM

Guest - geuss Again

I thought we were the 51st State

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 06:17 PM

SharonA:

No, the parts of the US that belonged to France and Spain we got by purchase, along with Alaska purchased from Russia.

On the other hand a lot of the southwestern part of the US we stole from Mexico, and Hawaii was stolen from its own people. By your logic (which I can't fault too badly) that should go back.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: GUEST,Guess again?
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 06:09 PM

You didn't guess last time. I got a better idee. Make England the 51st State.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: SeanM
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:49 PM

OK, if we're divvying up the US, can we please give California to the Innuit?

I've always wanted to be an Eskimo...

M

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:42 PM

Sorry Murray, We can't go for that deal of reuniting with the U.K. Thanks for the lovely offer but too many people have my fingerprints now. I don't need to add Her Majesty's goverment to the list. Kindest reguards, Irish Sergeant.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: InOBU
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:32 PM

Murry!
This coming from a Scott! When Genie and I were in the highlands in the seventies the Bus driver would not take the Britrail pass from us, as he was very clear he felt NO part of Britain, until he found we were Irish. Well, How bout Scotland calling it quits with Britain on the 4th! I'd go along with that! Maybe we can form a new confederation, the United States and the Scottish Annex (seventh floor, good tweeds and whiskey... watch your step getting off the lift...)
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:30 PM

Is the Queen Mother the Queen Mother when she is mother to a king or is she then a King Mother? To save ourselves having to ponder these dreadful questions lets just shoot the lot of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:24 PM

USONAAH...

But why stop there? Take in South and Central America and it could still be called the USA.

Or take in the rest of the planet and it'd be the United States, which is what it already gets called anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 05:06 PM

Mexico would not want Arizona because it is overrun with retired Canadians.

Besides, we'd send hockey players to fight instead of the Canadian Armed Forces. There's more of them and they have a larger budget for equipment.

How about this? We make every Canadian Province, a state, Each Mexican State a state, join with the country having the birthday in two days and call it the United States of North America and Hawaii. We could then ALL call ourselves Americans without confusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: DougR
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:37 PM

Ooooo! McGrath, you're right, of course! That would put Spaw sleeping with his mother-in-law, right?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:33 PM

I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to have citizenship in as many countries as possible. Think of how easy that would make traveling. And you could live in different ones from time to time without all of the hassle of trying to live in a foriegn country.

Except I wouldn't want to be a citizen of any country where I had significantly fewer rights than I have here.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:22 PM

Ya... what Graham said!

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: LR Mole
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:09 PM

They can have the politics as long as they leave us the music: that's what counts, anyhow, and that's FREE.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:08 PM

Doug - you've got your royals mixed up. The Queen Mother is mother of the King, or the Queen. Like Barbara Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Matt_R
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 04:05 PM

Canada and Mexico in a war...that would be a HOOT! I'd pick Cheopas insurgents over the Royal Canadian Army!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: DougR
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 03:58 PM

bill/sables: that means Spaw sleeps with kat, right? That might be a problem.

RobDale: You can't give Arizona to both Canada and Mexico, if you tried, war would probably break out between the two to determine who has to take us (particularly at this time of the year).

I'm happy with the way things are right now, thank you very much, and I'm going to put a nice brisket and two chickens, and some spare ribs in my smoker, make up sone potato salad, cook some cowboy beans, ice down a bunch of beer, and have my kids over on the 4th of July to eat, drink, ane celebrate our independence from ...er...ah...those folks across the pond.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 03:42 PM

To label human beings as "consumers" is the ultimate insult and degradation. We are actually creators. That is our highest calling.

Oh, shut up, you resource!!

Management

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Mark Clark
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:59 PM

Murray, it sounds like a grate idea to me. You've already made some progress by moving London Bridge to Arizona. Let's just complete the process.

Of course with North America as part of England, swimming the channel will become far more challenging.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: bill\sables
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:58 PM

What about a US monarchy with Catspaw as King and Max as Crowned Prince. Katlaughing could be Queen Mother (when she gets older). If that was the case I wouldn't mind being part of the USA

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Gareth
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:18 PM

Lets get back to basics.

Wales, Kernow, Kent and Cumbria back to us old Brit's.

Essex, Sussex Middlesex and Wessex back to the Saxons

East Anglia back to the Angles,

and the Norman (Norsemen) and Jutes most of whats left (including Merseyside and Dublin) back to Scandanavia.

I think I'll pass on the US of A - Or should we Celts claim that on the Voyages of Maddoc ?

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: JedMarum
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:17 PM

My English friends always told me they celebrated Thanksgiving too - only they did so on the the Fourth of July, because that was when they got rid of us!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 02:01 PM

A counter proposal

OK, Britian Gets The Thirteen Colonies back Canada, gets Florida, Arizona, Oregon and all of the border states west of Ohio, France gets the Missippi and bordering states, Mexico gets the southwest. Hawaii becomes a tax haven like the Bahamas. We let the Native Americans have the rest and sell the Armed forces to the UN.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Grab
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 01:19 PM

Excuse me - did anyone ask us Brits if we _wanted_ the Yanks back? We'll celebrate 4th of July as the date we were rid of you guys... ;-)

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 01:15 PM

I like the idea of joining the EU, but can I think of us as a departement of France? I'd rather be French than British - think of the food, if nothing else!

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: texastoolman
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 01:11 PM

hey murray
can you say
no mooooooore
mooonarchies for me..................tex

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: MMario
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:56 PM

Gervase - did the cheese make the claim to you, personally? Have you been spending too much time communicating with 'spaw?

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: annamill
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:50 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....aahhh...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...

Sorry. no.

Love, annamill

Subject: RE: BS: Let's Forget the Fourth of July
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 01 - 12:46 PM

Of course any union with the States would inevitably mean the capital was Washington. No way. I'll stick with Europe.