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Origins of Yodelling in Country Music

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Dicho (Frank Staplin) 26 Aug 01 - 01:38 PM
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Stewie 26 Aug 01 - 08:45 PM
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GUEST,Julius the Yodeler 18 Jul 08 - 05:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Aug 01 - 01:38 PM

A lot of ground has been covered in this thread. If I said any more, I would be quoting someone else's opinions and there probably is enough wrong with my own. It has been interesting and got me to looking back to some of the stuff I picked up in Hawai'i, and into my small record collection. I wish I still had the old 78s my parents and grandparents had of Rodgers, Owens and others. Of course there were more scratches than music on them by the time they were tossed. The hymns mentioned by M Ted were, along with sailors and whalers songs, the beginning of the westernization of Hawaiian music. Hymns were not only translated and published in Hawaiian, but new ones were written. The high register singing could have had its origin in the old oral history, told in chant. A number of recordings of chant are available, but I doubt that they have much to do with the old pre-missionary chant, so a lot will remain hidden.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Aug 01 - 03:43 PM

WW, I will point you to one when I get a chance.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Burke
Date: 26 Aug 01 - 05:15 PM

What about the relationship to field hollers of the rural south. Here's some real audio from the 1940's


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Aug 01 - 06:50 PM

Wow, Burke!

I had read, but forgotten, that each individual had his/her own distinct holler, by which they could be recognized from afar when coming home at the end of the day. One of these is included in the link above.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Stewie
Date: 26 Aug 01 - 08:45 PM

Dicho,

I agree with you totally about the immense popularity and influence of Hawaiian mucic, not only on popular music but also on jazz, country and blues. This was felt through the popularity of shows, such as 'Birds of Paradise' in New York in 1904, expositions, touring troupes and, later, individual recording artists such as Frank Ferera, Sol Hoopii, King Benny Nawahi etc. In respect of country music, however, the Hawaiian influence was most marked in terms of the guitar rather than vocal style. Of particular relevance were artists like Jimmy Tarlton, Cliff Carlisle and Cousin Jody. Its influence was felt through to western swing in the work of guitarists like Leon McAuliffe.

It is worth noting that the first mainland appearance of the Royal Hawaiian Band was as early as 1883 at a function for the Knights Templar's Conclave in San Francisco. Evidently, the man who first blended European styles with Hawaiian themes for them in 1870 was an imported bandmaster from the Prussian Army by the name of Henry Berger. An additional piece of music history trivia is that band's use of the saxophone in its instrumention is said to have predated its use in the US.

For a fascinating and informative article on the influence of Hawaiian music on American popular music in particular seek out the booklet accompanying Various Artists 'Honolulu to Hollywood: Jazz, Blues & Popular Specialties Performed Hawaiian Style' Old Masters CD Tom MB123. The essay is by Allan Dodge who is perhaps best known as a founding member of Robert Crumb's Cheap Suit Serenaders. You can find a track listing here:

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--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: WyoWoman
Date: 26 Aug 01 - 08:49 PM

Thanks Susan, I'll be looking for it.

And NOW I'm REALLY STEAMED at the crumb bum who swiped my Hawaiian cowboys CD. I'm definitely in the mood to revisit that ...

ww


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Aug 01 - 09:19 PM

Stewie, thanks for the reference. I will look for the cd and booklet. The saxophone would have been known to European musicians first. Berger was a very good choice for bandleader. He accepted Hawaiian musicians (some of the early ones were from reform school) and used Hawaiian language singers, in addition he was a good teacher and knew how to get along with people from royalty to the rising entrepreneurs and "the common man." I think you are right about the singers; some of the female singers became well-known but male Hawaiian vocalists never had any real success outside of Hawaii and a few hotels. The quintet- sized combo with string players, fiddle and a woodwind player is where the Hawaiian influence was strongest.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: M.Ted
Date: 27 Aug 01 - 12:16 PM

I am reminded that Sol Hoopi'i, who was probably the the most influential steel guitarist, was also wonderful singer and master of the Hawai'ian yodel--he began playing professionally on the Mainland in SF in 1919--Hoot Gibson brought him to Hollywood in the early 20's and he was probably the first steel guitarist to play with a Western band--

I was just listening to the Rounder CD Vintage Hawai'ian Music: The Great Singers 1928-1934, which features lots of Yodeling(both men and women yodelled)--an particularly noted a recording of Mme, Riviere's Hawai'ians(the Moe Family) Rose Moe's yodel is the same one that Jimmy Rodgers made famous--also, in the notes Bob Brozman points out that the voice break was used in choral groups and formally taught in Hawai'i in during the late 19th century--'He also mentions that the Portuguese and Mexican cowboys who came in the 1830's, called 'Paniolas", used a falsetto singing style--

I don't think it is any stretch to figure that the Hawai'ians were using the "blue" yodel as an element in their songs long before mainlanders--and that, given that there were many Hawai'ian singers touring the mainland, all of whom used it, that they were probably the source for Rodgers and the cowboy singers, who were no doubt reminded of the field hollers that the were familar with, and the source for the Hawai'ians may have easily been a earlier group of cowboy singers--


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Aug 01 - 03:28 PM

It would be most interesting if it were possible to go back to the 1870' and 80s and hear King Kalakaua's Glee Club. I think some of the program notes survive.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: GUEST,Julius the Yodeler
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 05:04 PM

I'm not sure. Where I live, in Central Texas, there is a strong German influence, although most of the German emigrants would have come from areas outside of the Alps. Up north around Minnesota, there is a lot of yodeling that's come directly from Scandinavia. I'd say that Cowboy Yodeling may have come into existence when the Scots-Irish "hill-folk" (from whom I and many other people in the Yodel Belt are descended), who used high-pitched "Indian-like" (and possibly also Scottish-influenced) yelps while hunting (not unlike the mysterious "rebel yell"), moved west from the Appalachians. There, they may have met Bavarian, Austrian, and possibly Swiss emigrants who had grown up with yodeling. Also, in the 19th Century, there were traveling families from the Alps who preformed around America, possibly influencing American musicians.

What I'm wondering is the origin of Alpine Yodeling. It's only natural that there would be yodeling in the Alps (yodeling is also found in other mountainous areas like Norway, Persia, Armenia, Georgia, Tibet, Peru, and the Congo)... But who were the first people to do it? Evidence points to either the Celts (Gauls) or the Germanic Tribes, or possibly a pre-celtic people similar to the Basques. Here I'll state the cases for each origin. If anyone has suggestions, please respond.

Celtic origin: Most of central Europe was settled by the Celts for at least 3,000 years. In fact, the La Tene and Halstatt Cultures are both named after places in the Alps. When the Romans and Germanic Tribes began to spread into Europe, they avoided the highest regions of the Alps, which remained a "Celtic enclave" under the Helvetii tribe (Helvetic Confederation being a name for Switzerland). The Alphorn, an instrument associated with yodeling, is very similar to an instrument documented by the Romans when they began to expand into the Alps. This shows that there is still a strong Celtic musical influence in the Alps. As another piece of rather far-fetched evidence, I have noticed that modern Celtic fiddle and bagpipe music follows a similar pattern to some of the more virtuosic and musical Alpine Yodeling. The Scottish Highlanders also used a high-pitched yell in battle (which goes back to what I said about the Scots-Irish and Cowboy Yodeling). But these are probably coincidence because it is unlikely that the musical traditions of the Alpine and Insular Celts have remained that close to each other after being devoid of contact for thousands of years.

Germanic origin: As I alluded to before, there is also a form of yodeling found in Scandinavia, which is also quite mountainous in parts (mainly Norway). Historically, Scandinavia was settled predominately by Germanic (or Germanic-speaking) tribes, who pushed the older Saami (Lapps) and Finns to the arctic and the east. Around 1500 BC, these Germanic Tribes pushed southward into mainland Europe (although they already lived in Denmark and along the Baltic), and eventually came to the foothills of the Alps. It may be possible that this Scandinavian yodeling tendency resurfaced when Germanic-speaking peoples crossed the flat (acoustically deficient) Baltic Plain to find themselves in another mountainous area.

Basque origin: Yodeling can also be found in the Basque regions of the Pyrenees. It is possible that a people similar to the Basques once lived in the nearby Alps, even before the Celts came. Yodeling is probably very, very old, as it was originally used for communication and herding, but not for music. That is one piece of evidence- but it's pretty strong.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 07:15 PM

It is said that the Roman emperor Julian, in the 4th century, complained of the wild shrieking of mountain people.

Many groups have yodels, including forest pigmies.

Speculation as to origin, the search for the first true yodel, is pointless.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: olddude
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 09:05 PM

Lets ask Bruce if he will yodel on his new CD !!
how about it


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 11:47 PM

Ya don't have to be German

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8e8k53YJL0&feature=related


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 01:19 AM

You've gone and got me listening to yodel videos on YouTube. The variety is amazing. Like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H9MUwOZ0cQ&feature=related

(If that doesn't work, look for Adelboden)

Community yodeling - it was new to me. For a while I thought the video was showing the audience. Then I realized that they are all yodeling. It's quite beautiful.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Megan L
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 04:16 AM

Swiss yodel
Elton Britt American Yodel
German Yodel
Thats probably the answer high number of German immigrants bound to be some of them things like cowboys


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Megan L
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 04:19 AM

Drat I meant to say many hilly places have some form of yodel it travels well. My fathers cousin worked in a quarry at the opposite side of a valley from his home, his wife would yodel across to let him know it was time to get home when she put dinner on.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 11:02 AM

Thanks for the links, Megan. The Elton Britt video was a new one for me.

Where were your parents living when she did the yodeling? Did other people there do it?


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: GUEST,Anthony
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 08:10 AM

Yodeling was probably developed in the Swiss and Austrian Alps as a Way of communication between mountain peaks, and later became a part of the traditional music of the region. listen to yodeling here Yodeling Tony Clarks Website


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 02:38 PM

I just listened to Yodelling Tony Clark's stuff.

Sounds like he's using Frink Ifield's old charts for Lovesick Blues and She taught me to Yodel.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Capt. Everett
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 03:31 PM

Julius the Yodeler probably has it down as clearly as is possible. Here in Austin we very much miss Don Walser, his beautiful yodels and his pedal steel guitar. They went together very well.

The Appalachian forms are probably more properly called hollering. They still have hollerin' contests and championships along will hog calling in appalachian regions. You can communicate over long distances, through the hollows and valleys, better with those high calls than you can through any normal voice. Particular calls would have particular meanings etc...like come to dinner or I kil't the bear.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 06:54 PM

One theory holds that yodeling was invented in the old west cow towns. The story is that town doctors, such as they were - and scarce at that - had to perform many feats of medical derring-do for which they were only marginally qualified. Picture a barber pulling teeth, as often happened. The first recorded yodel issued forth from a cowboy who had been gored in his nether regions. The wound required medical treatment. When the local Dodge City doctor, who was recovering from his nightly bout with John Barleycorn, offered his tender ministrations, the sound that resulted was overheard by a wandering minstrel, who quickly realized he had a new gimmick to add to his repertoire......


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: Mark Ross
Date: 28 Apr 09 - 09:47 PM

Utah Phillips told me that when he went to play a festival in Switzerland, they gave him an interperter to help him get around. At one point he was on a cable car going up a mountain to perform with a couple of Swiss performers. He asked them through his interperter, how yodeling was invented. They answered in the local dialect and everyone in the car cracked up. Utah asked his guide what they had said. He was told that they had answered, "From shitting in the snow!"

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: GUEST,bart, yodel book author
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 02:43 AM

julius i found your post infored and refreshing regarding yodeling in US and the origins of yodeling. i am finishing my second book on yodeling YODEL IN HIFI and most certainly yodeling originated in africa as the birthplace of mankind. i tackled this a bit in my first book but go deeper in book 2. also the origins of North American yodeling are certainly as melting pot as anything else - native tribes, black slaves, scandinavians, early mennonites, german-swiss immigrants. i also cover basque and north african yodel-like ululations. am interested in peru and tibet. i have many examples of asian yodeling and even latin american but not from either of those 2 countries.


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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: GUEST,Joe Arnold
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:32 PM

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   Told in the first person by Kyle, his curiosity and questions instigates an impromptu concert of old country songs and tales that lead him to believe that this ordinary looking cowboy might not be so ordinary after all.

   Mike Johnson is Country Music's No. 1 Black Yodeler and this tale revolves around country music songs and some of his own music experiences. This 2012 eBook edition also contains the 2008 paperback edition's 14-page Bonus Section featuring the song lyrics that inspired the story, some insight on Mike's music career, and photographs of Mike with Bart Plantenga, author of "Yodel-Ay-Eee-Ooo the Secret History of Yodeling Around the World" and photographs of Mike with some of the famous yodelers he has met.

Joe Arnold, MAJJ Productions
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Subject: RE: Origins of Yodelling in Country Music
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 13 - 03:12 AM

for more information on the subject see my new book: YODEL IN HIFI: FROM KITSCH FOLK TO MODERN ELECTRONICA. you can find more info at: http://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/4594.htm
plus my earlier book YODEL-AY-EE-OOO0: The Secret History of Yodeling Around the World also contains plenty of info on the subject.

thanx to all of you for helping during the research phase of writing YODEL IN HIFI

bart


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