Help: Those were the days

Subject: Those were the days
From: GUEST,Uli
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 01:37 AM

Hi all

its not a really folk question but maybe there is an answer for me. I`m searching for the french title of the song "Tose were the days , my friend" sung by Sandy Shaw in the 60th

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 02:15 AM

I've searced Mudcat and found an English translation of a Russian (it was based on a Russian song) version in this thread but nothing in French.

BTW I don't remember the Sandy Shaw version. The version I remember was by Mary Hopkin.

Jon

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: lady penelope
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 02:16 AM

It was sung by Mary Hopkins ( of Peter Paul And MAry Fame ) and it came out on the apple label.

I hope that helps.

TTFN M'Lady P.

Subject: Lyr Add: THOSE WERE THE DAYS (Gene Raskin)
From: GUEST,'gargoyle
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 02:39 AM

Sorry….No French Connection

However,
THOSE WERE THE DAYS
Word and Music by Gene Raskin
Copyright 1962 by Exxex Music Inc. NY, NY

Chording Am, Dm, B, E, Am, G, C, Dm, Am E7, Am, Dm, E7, Am

Once upon a time, there was a tavern,
Where we used to raise a glass or two,
Remember how we laughed away the hours,
And dreamed of all the great things we would do?

Those were the days, my friend.
We thought they'd never end.
We'd sing and dance forever and a day.
We'd live the life we choose,
We'd fight and never lose,
For we were young and sure to have our way.
La la la LA la la LA la la LA la,
Those were the Days,
Oh Yes, those were the days,

Just tonight I stood before the tavern,
Nothing seemed the way it used to be. ,
In the glass, I saw a strange reflection.
Was that lonely fellow really me?

Through the door, there came familiar laughter,
I saw your face and heard you call my name,
Oh, my friend, we're older but no wiser.
for in our heart's the dreams are still the same,

You can follow this link

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pat.richmonds/mhfs.htm

To a web-page that "debates" the origins ….. however, the existing copyright…. no matter the source... is Essex.

Your most humble of servants

Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: GUEST,brakn
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 02:47 AM

Mary Hopkins had nothing to do with Peter Paul And Mary.

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Pene Azul
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 02:48 AM

There are French, Spanish and German versions on this page.

Jeff

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: GUEST,`gargoyle
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 02:56 AM

Interesting Pene...

The site above attributes the words of "Turn Turn Turn" to Pete Seagar...not Solomon.

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Wolfgang
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 05:39 AM

It is very doubtful if Solomon has written the original words, but in any case he's not to be credited for the English translation.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: kendall
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 06:03 AM

One of my favorite songs.

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 06:55 AM

This thread must hold the record for the number of mnisconceptions in only nine posts ..............

Murray

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 07:06 AM

LOL.....True Murray!!!

And Lady P.....To expand on Wolfgang's point....The "Mary" of PPM is Mary Travers.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 07:40 AM

Some of the words to this song are in the bibel somewere.

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 07:48 AM

Mary Hopkin--no "s"! Mary was a several-times winner of Hughie Green's (those Canajuns get everywhere!) "New Faces" talent show (on account of her having talent and the other contestants not). Paul McCartney took her under his wing and he produced TWTD. I know the song was already a few years old when Mary recorded it in 1967 or '68; it had the kind of built-in nostalgia that suited her style. There was a hammered dulcimer on it, thus qualifying it for discussion by folkies.

Sandie Shaw covered it, and her version was released on the same day. She'd been given it by her record company; you know how they used to work, finding material by unheard of no-hopers and passing on to "real" stars--except that Mary Hopkin was about to take off in her own right. Sandie said afterwards that she hadn't seen MH, but when she realised what a sweet young innocent etc. etc. she was, she "felt like the Queen of the Big Blue Meanies". Quite right too!

Mary married her manager, Tony Visconti, but I think they got divorced some years ago.

Steve

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Wolfgang
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 08:10 AM

Since the original question has been answered (correctly!) and the thread is running its own course, I may add that I have found in a long websearch the real author of the English lyrics to Turn, tunr, turn: James King

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Wolfgang
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 08:14 AM

and may I recommend Those were the daze (by Tim Leary or whoever)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 08:14 AM

Interesting......Did King James have a curly pow Wolfgang?

Spaw

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 08:18 AM

Wolfgang, was that "James King" a blues singer? ;-)

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 08:20 AM

Catspaw-Don't you ever sleep? It is 1.30PM here, I am usulaly here at 2AM and you are posting then as well! Or do you have a double to post for you while you sleep? :-)

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 08:35 AM

It's 8:40 AM here and I have kids that have to go to school.......And I'm often up late too.....Nah, I don't sleep much.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: John P
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 08:45 AM

I have heard Tania Opland sing it in Russian. I don't know where she got the words, or whether the English is a translation of them or not or vice versa.

JP

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 08:54 AM

This is what her fan page says:(courtesy of Google, unlike saddo Steve, I couldn't supply all this from personal interest!)

Mary Hopkin had a fling with the pop charts in the late 60's and early 70's, and her career was helped along by some well known pop icons of the 60's.

She was born in Pontardawe, Wales in 1950. As a teenager Mary became a singer and met with some success. When she appeared on British television, 60's super-model Twiggy saw her and recommended her to a friend, Beatle Paul McCartney. McCartney liked what he saw and signed Mary to a contract with Apple Records.

Her first record turned out to be her biggest. Using a melody that came from a traditional Russian folk song and a recording that was produced by McCartney, Those Were The Days was a huge hit. It reached number one on the British charts and number two in the USA in the Fall of 1968, and established eighteen-year-old Mary Hopkin as a force in the pop music world.

She followed it with a song written by John Lennon and Paul McCartney called Goodbye, which was another huge hit on both sides of the Atlantic, reaching the top ten in the UK and number thirteen in the US. Other songs followed, including Temma Harbour and Knock, Knock, Who's There.

Mary Hopkin was an attractive young woman with a sensational voice. She issued an album in 1969 titled Postcard. Another album, Earth Song in 1971, was more successful and contained some folk songs and an appearance by Dave Cousins of the folk-rock band the Strawbs, and Ralph McTell. The album was produced by Tony Visconti, who had worked with David Bowie. Visconti married Mary Hopkin later that same year.

Although some said that she did not do well in her stage appearances, Mary appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, and continued to tour. She retired to raise children for a while and returned in 1976 with another top forty song on the UK chart, If You Love Me. She sang back-up on David Bowie's Low the following year. Another album [on which Mary sang in Welsh], The Welsh World Of Mary Hopkin, was issued in 1979. Her marriage ended in 1981.
RtS

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 09:16 AM

...AND THIS FOR THE COMPLETISTS from the International MH homepage (Bet Steve has all 14 different sleeve designs of her first LP as well):
May 31, 2001

Mary Hopkin will perform a small part in the movie "Very Annie Mary"

In June Mary Hopkin will be seen on the screen for the first time. She will perform a small part in the movie "Very Annie Mary".

"Very Annie Mary" was filmed in the Garw Valley, and was directed by Sara Sugarman. In 1999 Sara won a Pathe/Orange prize for Screenwriting and the Sundance/NHK production award for Very Annie Mary (formerly known as Pavarotti in Dad's Room), which is due for wide release from 8 June 2001. Very Annie Mary is on at selected London cinemas from 25 May and on general release from 8 June.

But this is also interesting (to me, anyway):
January 27, 2001

Bert Jansch - Moonshine (Mary Hopkin on backing vocals)

Castle Music has re-released one of the finest albums of Bert Jansch "Moonshine" on CD. This CD contains one track "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face", with the backing vocals of Mary Hopkin.

Release Date: 26th January 2001 Country: U.K. Catalogue No: Castle Music CMRCD112

Release Date: 13th March 2001 Country: USA Catalogue No: Castle Music America

Moonshine was originally released in 1973 right after Pentangle broke up. Though his solo albums are sometimes inconsistent, if ever there was an essential Bert Jansch album, this is it!

The song selection is outstanding, with Jansch giving impassioned readings of such traditional songs as "Yarrow", "Twa Corbies" and "Rambleaway", as well as a suitably austere version of Dave Goulder's classic "January Man". There is also a completely rewritten melody given to Ewan MacColl's much covered "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face", with the backing vocals of Mary Hopkin. Jansch contributed several original songs to this album and it is on these that he shines. Included are a spritely "Night Time Blues" and the title track, which has a John Renbourn-like medieval feel to it. The album ends with "Oh My Father," originally released as a single and containing one of Jansch's most fluid instrumental jams at the end.

Jansch's complex and lyrical guitar is given lots of room to move while being backed by a stellar core group of drummer Laurie Allen, Pentangle bassist Danny Thompson (who also produced), Tony Visconti on vocals, percussion and various instruments, and the searing guitar of Gary Boyle. Guest musicians drummer Dave Mattacks, fiddle player Aly Bain, harpist Skaila Kanga, and Ralph McTell on harmonica round out the album's rich and diverse sound.
This site also lists lots of her recent work as backing vocalist>
RtS

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 11:32 AM

Saddo? Huh! No, Roger, I haven't got any of her lps; we didn't have a record player until New Year 1968 (unless you count a thing that played 78s and plugged into the back of the wireless), and when we did I couldn't afford the extortionate price of thirty bob. (And they think cds are overpriced!)

However, I do still have the photo I pasted inside my journal whe I was at school ...

Steve (misty eyed)

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 11:57 AM

Well why not just complete the ramblings about the people mentioned here via mistakes or whatever.......From the Barnes/Noble site, a bio of Mary Travers:

MARY TRAVERS

With her long, flowing, blonde hair and crystal-clear soprano vocals, Mary Travers was a major influence on the folk music of the 1960s and '70s. A founding member of Peter, Paul And Mary, Travers, not only became one of the most commercially successful folk performers, but, used her position to become an inspirational political spokesperson. Together with Peter Yarrow and Noel Paul Stookey, Travers performed at Civil Rights rallies with Dr. Martin Luther King, in Birmingham, Alabama and Washington, D.C., and, at numerous anti-Vietnam War demonstrations, fund-raisers and teach-ins. During the 1980s, Travers helped to call attention to the struggles of Latin America.

A native of Louisville, Kentucky, Travers grew up in New York's Greenwich Village. As a youngster, she became enchanted with the American folk songs played by The Weavers, Leadbelly and Woody Guthrie. While in high school, Travers became a regular performer at the Sunday afternoon folk music sessions at Washington Square Park. Together with a teenage group, The Songswappers, Travers appeared twice at Carnegie Hall and recorded with Pete Seeger. After singing in the chorus of a short-lived Broadway show, Travers balanced work in the literary and advertising field with appearances in New York clubs at night and weekends. After meeting humorist, folksinger and guitarist Stookey and folk music producer Milt Okun, Travers helped to form Peter, Paul and Mary. The trio performed its debut show at the Bitter End in 1961 and began a decade-long series of concerts and recordings. Their self-titled debut album, released in 1962 became a major hit, remaining in the top ten for ten months and the top twenty for two years. Their single, "If I Had A Hammer" became an anthem of the Civil Rights movement. Over the next decade, Travers and the trio helped to popularize the songs of Bob Dylan, John Denver and Gordon Lightfoot. Travers' lead vocals helped to make the trio's rendition of Denver's "Leaving On A Jet Plane", a major hit in 1970.

Shortly after releasing a "greatest hits" album, "Ten Years Together", in May, 1970, the trio announced their separation. The mother of two daughters-Erika, born in 1960, and Alicia, born in 1966 Travers remained active as a soloist, releasing five albums and performing in college and clubs throughout the United States. In addition, Travers lectured at colleges on "Society And Its Effect On Music", hosted a music and interview show on Radio Pacifica (KPFK) in Los Angeles and produced, wrote and starred in a television series for the BBC.

Travers reunited with Stookey and Yarrow in 1978 for a benefit concert, Survival Sunday, that Yarrow organized and produced at the Hollywood Bowl. Their performance was so encouraging that they agreed to resume their partnership. In the two decades since, Travers has continued to record and perform approximately forty-five concerts each year with the trio.

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Spaw

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 05:36 PM

Just to add to Guest Gargoyle's post above of the words: I'm adding the second verse here:

Then the busy years went rushing by us
We lost our starry notions on the way
If by chance I'd see you in the tavern
We'd smile at one another and we'd say...
(Repeat Chorus)

Joan

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 06:58 PM

MH did a TV ad for margerine or something about 10 years ago. They used TWTD.

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 07:29 PM

Just one bit of the picture is still unclear to me. I screwd up the link in my first post, missing "href=". It should have been: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=7582.

AKS gives a version he learn't when studying Russian. Is this an English translation of the original Russian words or what?

Jon

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: GUEST,iamjohnne
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 07:55 PM

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: GUEST,iamjohnne
Date: 29 Aug 01 - 08:08 PM

first off. dont try to post when one is drowsy. thus eliminating empty posts. Thanks for the bio on Mary Travers. I remember this song on an old Limelighters album back in the early sixties. Now as for who penned "Turn Turn Turn" I do know that Pete Seeger had something to do with it. I also thought that Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes. Maybe I am wrong.......Oh my that was hard to say.

JOhnne goin where the weather suits my clothes

t

Subject: RE: Help: Those were the days
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 30 Aug 01 - 03:23 AM

Oh no, Johne, no, Johne, no, Johne, no! (Sorry!) The Preacher wrote Ecclesiates. Not sure which preacher (maybe one of you can enlighten me? I'm sure I oght to know), but I always get this image of a sort of Old Testament super-hero who looks like Clement Freud, and turns up whenever fun or dancing is about to break out, and puts the damper on the procedings by doing Eeyore's speech about "bonhommie". Maybe I should get out more ...

Steve