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Subject: Tune Add: THE BUTTERFLY From: Alison Date: 04 Feb 98 - 09:32 PM Hi, This request was getting lost in another thread, so here is the tune using midi2txt, (which really is very easy to use........... and I'm pretty illiterate when it comes to the computer.) There is only one problem, there should be a repeat after the first 4 bars, the written music will show it, but the sound file doesn't, (I'll have a word with Alan and see what the problem is.
MIDI file: BUTTERF.MID Timebase: 480 Name: The Butterfly This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the January 15 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
If you have a programme which writes manuscript eg. noteworthy, or musicator, you should be able to get the sheet music from this. Slainte Alison Slainte Alison |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Dan Mulligan Date: 05 Feb 98 - 09:04 AM Alison...... I Downloaded MIDItext last week to play another tune that was posted here.I found that it worked pretty well, except when I went to play it with NOTEWORTHY COMPOSER. NWC is capable of playing tunes in standard midi format, but when I went to play the tune that was converted from MIDItext it froze up. It seemed to be that NWC was tied up formatting the bar lines, and then it reached it's memory limit. Have you ever tried using MIDIs from MIDItext with NWC? Is there something that I can do to fix the problem? Dan |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: alison Date: 05 Feb 98 - 06:52 PM Hi, No I haven't, but I believe others have. I use Musicator. If you're having problems, the one to e-mail is Alan of Oz, he is the expert on the program. slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Feb 98 - 03:01 AM I tried it in the latest version of Noteworthy Composer, and it seemed to work fine. It came out in 9/8 time and there was a thirty-second note in it (what do you call that, Alison - a demisemiquaver???) Did you enter it in 9/8 time, Alison? It certainly is a haunting melody. Alan, your program seems to work very well, but now I think the goal would be to simplify the output, especially in ABC format. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: alison Date: 06 Feb 98 - 06:01 PM Hi Joe, Yes it's in 9/8. It's what is known as a slip jig. (Another example would be the song "Rocky road to Dublin.") Don't know where your 32nd note came from, mine only has quavers and crotchets. |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: alison Date: 06 Feb 98 - 06:04 PM Hi, Also what I forgot to say is that , this is only the bare bones of the tune, you then need to put in a lot of ornamentation, especially in the second bit where the notes get a bit repetitive. Slainte Alison |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Dan Mulligan Date: 07 Feb 98 - 12:59 AM Alison , the tune worked much better in Noteworthy Composer than the one that I tried last week.Very unusual setting. It has a couple of runs that I haven't heard in the tune before.I like it though.< Joe... "haunting"? turn up the tempo a bit :-) it is a jig. Played at speed it would be good accompaniment for the flight of a Butterfly. Hence the title. Mulligan |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Feb 98 - 03:02 AM I had a quarter note set at a hundred, Dan. Even when I doubled it, I still got the feel of melancholy from the tune, even though it sounds a lot more like a jig at 200. Whatever the case, I like it. Maybe I'll try slowing down other dance tunes. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: alison Date: 08 Feb 98 - 12:49 AM Hi, I reckon it should be played slowly, slip jigs tend to be slower than jigs. If you treat each group of 3 quavers as being equal to a crotchet, it would be about the right speed for a waltz. (It's a pretty laid-back butterfly!) There is a great arrangement of it on "Celtic Odyssey" (ND-63912 from Narada), where it is played in 3 different time signatures by a group called Orison (apparently a group from San Francisco.) Slainte Alison |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Joe Offer Date: 08 Feb 98 - 02:13 AM Thanks for pointing out the "Celtic Odyssey" recording, Alison. It is a good one, indeed. I think I was right in the first place - it is a haunting melody, and I like it very much. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Dan Mulligan Date: 08 Feb 98 - 04:53 PM I agree with you both. It is a beautiful tune,and i don't recomend playing it at the speed of a double jig. I was really just teasing about the tempo.(I thought perhaps you were playing it as a dirge.*grin*) I haven't heard that recording of the tune either it sounds very interesting.If you enjoy that tune Joe you might also enjoy these slip jigs,"Hardiman the Fiddler,"Hunting the Hare," and "The Foxhunter." I personally think that the slip jigs are very fun to play. Slowing down dance tunes can be very rewarding, sometimes it brings out a quality in a tune that is unexpected, as I think that you pointed out. Try it with "Castle Kelly." It is lovely played at 3/4 speed and swung slightly. Dan Mulligan |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Alice Date: 08 Feb 98 - 06:20 PM Speaking of butterflies, you can see some here: http://www.mcn.net/~acflynn see if you can find a Red Admiral. alice in montana |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Alice Date: 09 Feb 98 - 10:41 AM There is another discussion of the evolution of the tune Butterfly, or The Red Admiral Butterfly, here:
http://www.tns.lcs.mit.edu/harp/archives/1995/2026.html Someone in that discussion says it comes from an earlier tune called "Bob and Joan". Alice |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Jon W. Date: 09 Feb 98 - 10:52 AM The Bothy Band did a good rendition on both their first album (1975) and on their "After Hours" live album. They play it fairly fast. I've also got a recording from a local band ("Shanahy") who feature their hammered dulcimer player on this tune, also fairly fast. |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: gilmer@mail.utexas.edu Date: 09 Feb 98 - 09:46 PM It was written by Tommy Potts. According to Kevin Burke, he played it with very irregular rhythm, like a butterfly flitting about. I don't know if it's been recorded this way; I haven't heard the Bothy Band recordings of it and don't know if Potts recorded it. I seem to remember hearing that it was in fact based on some traditional slip jigs. Some candidates (in my very own very humble opinion): Bob and Joan (mentioned in another post), Ceol Rince Na hEireann vol. 1, tune #63 Same book, tune #65; might be called The Peeler Jig, Barney's Goat, Skin The Peeler, or Late Home At Night. I'm going by the English titles in the Gaelic footnote.
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Alice Date: 09 Feb 98 - 11:27 PM The Butterfly is one of my favorite tunes that we play at our local session... sounds great with the hammered dulcimer and penny whistles together. My ten year old son is learning to play it on the violin, and we were excited when we heard it on the soundtrack of the movie, "The Secret of Roan Inish". |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Elaine Date: 19 Aug 98 - 11:05 AM Aine Minogue recorded a beautiful arrangement on celtic harp. There is some controversy among the long experienced musicians, about playing 'The Butterfly' in sessions, since it is played by so many, like 'Kesh', 'Maid Bihind the Bar' and 'Dingle Regatta'. What I have heard is that since it is learned by so many 'entry-level' players, it is often struggled through at a session, which prevents its beauty from shining through. Like so many of you, I too love this tune. |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Barbara Date: 19 Aug 98 - 12:06 PM thank you alison, and now I'll see if I can get that part of Alan's program to talk to me.{grin} Blessings, Barbara |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Tinwhistler Date: 20 Aug 98 - 11:46 AM I'm going to try this one, although I've never heard it. I imagine it must be played pretty slowly ( a butterfly would never be frantic) which is fine by me! What's a good program to translate ABC into standard notation? |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Alice Date: 20 Aug 98 - 06:58 PM I use Barfly for the Mac. If you are on a PC, you have more choices. Here is the abc Home Page:
http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/index.html
Fast or slow, The Butterfly is a great tune. alice in montana |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Tinwhistler Date: 20 Aug 98 - 07:24 PM Anywhere online that I can hear it yet? Thanks, Alice |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Barbara Date: 20 Aug 98 - 09:11 PM Dunno about online, but if you check out the video of The Secret of Roan Inish it is one of the tunes featured in that lovely movie. You hear it as the silky boy runs through the fields; other places too. Blessings, BArbara |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Kiwi Date: 20 Aug 98 - 09:29 PM Heyla, For the Orison version on Celtic Odyssey.. what IS the instrument that takes the melody before the flute joins in? If I didn't know better, I'd swear that it was an alto sax. Maybe an English horn... Slán, Kyra |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: alison Date: 20 Aug 98 - 09:38 PM Hi, If you click on the red writing where I pasted the tune you should be able to hear it, (I think). I think you're right Kiwi, it sounds like a sax or a (very mellow) clarinet. It is also one one of the Chieftains CDs but they call it the Red Admiral Butterfly. Slainte Alison |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: Kiwi Date: 21 Aug 98 - 01:19 AM Alison - That would be the Chieftains CD with James Galway? I have a copy of that on the backside of an Anu/na tape. But I think I prefer the Orison version. Perhaps it's because I heard that one first, but I think I like the more mellow sound. Slán, Kiwi |
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Subject: RE: The Butterfly tune From: alison Date: 21 Aug 98 - 03:45 AM Hi, Yes that sounds right, I prefer Orison too. Haven't heard a better version yet. Slainte alison |
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