R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den

Subject: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Dharmabum
Date: 28 Sep 01 - 03:47 PM

ROGER McGUINN,TREASURES FROM THE FOLK DEN.
I guess this CD's been out for a little while,but I didn't get around to getting it until last week & am I glad I did!
I've been listening to very little else ever since.
Just some good,straight forward,folk music.
18 Folk standards with special guests,Joan Beaz,Eliza Carthy,Pete Seeger,Josh White Jr,Judy Collins,Tommy Makem,Odetta,Frank & Mary Hamilton & our very own Jean Ritchie.
I've been listening to McGuinn's website for some time now, http://mcguinn.com, but it's nice to get this stuff without going online.
It's on Appleseed recordings,www.appleseedrec.com
Give it a listen,I highly recomend it.

DB.

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Sep 01 - 04:19 PM

Guess he unplugged the Rickenbacker electric for this one, eh DB?

Thanks for the heads up!

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Sep 01 - 05:22 PM

Did he take take the spring out of his neck too so his head ain't bobbing up and down like a hula doll in the back window of a '64 Chevy?

Spaw

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Sep 01 - 05:56 PM

McGuinn was in a folk trio when I first saw him. Louie McDonald, an African-American Chicagoan who worked at the post office, played conga drum----John Carbo was on banjo (a style very like the early Bob Gibson before Gib played any guitar at all)---these were the other 2 guys. They were the regulars at the Sunday afternoon "hoots" at the Gate Of Horn in Chi. Frank Hamilton was the house musician who sat in whenever a featured performer wanted a larger sound. Frank is always lurking around here at Mudcat and he posts pretty regularly. (See the thread "What Was Lee Hays Really Like".)

McGuinn was in high school then --- at Chicago Boys Latin. Many of those folks from those olden times (1958-'59) taught Jim (Roger) to play. The head-bobbing is something that Phil Ochs and Roger McGuinn picked up back then from Bob Gibson. Bob's 12-string guitar style influenced McGuinn tremendously. Back then Gibson played almost all traditional songs --- but with an up-town kind of attitude that made folk music quite popular in Chicago night spots and with folks like Hefner and the Playboy crowd. Shel Silverstein was a cartoonist in those early Playboy magazines. Shel and Gibson collaborated on MANY songs over the years. I was in my final year of high school in '59. A girlfriend got me to go to the hoots when something called an "Odetta" was the guest. The near north side of chicago (as well as Old Town) was a glamorous-neon lit Kerouackian wonderland of nightlife, jazz and adventurous children like me who were all intent on plunging headlong into the lovely and strange Pandora's box that was the decade of the 1960s.

I wouldn't've missed it for the anything. It was a fine time to be soaking up this music we still care a lot about.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Dharmabum
Date: 28 Sep 01 - 05:57 PM

Spaw,What a great idea!
We'll sell little spring headed figures of famous folk singe..............oh........wait......I forgot.......there aren't any.........

nevermind.

DB.

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Dharmabum
Date: 28 Sep 01 - 06:02 PM

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DB.

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Sep 01 - 06:28 PM

Didja' get that one kat?

Great story Art, as always.

Spaw

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 07:17 PM

Sorry if I've told that before. I ought to check that out as I don't want my repetition of stuff to bug folks here. I really dislike wading through my old stuff so I don't do it.

I just sent Frank a recording of that trio AFTER McGuinn left. Guy Guilbert (now in California) had taken Roger's place. When Guy left the group, FRED HOLSTEIN took his place in the final incarnation of the group.

By the way, the name of that trio was THE FRETS. When McGuinn asked a gal out that a good buddy of mine was dating we chums put together a "watch" on Roger's house for a day or two. It was all very good natured---just play acting. McG lived on Division street in Chicago then as I recall.

When Roger McGuinn left The Frets he signed on as the instrumental backup for the Chad Mitchell Trio. He was pictured on several of those albums from that era. Was it Colpox Records?? I'm not sure...

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 07:20 PM

Colpix maybe??

Art

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: 53
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 07:44 PM

when did he form the byrds? bob,

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 07:47 PM

Art, since you obviously know McGuinn better than anybody else here, I want to know, how come he looks so good for his age ? Is it genes, surgery, diet, or has he simply followed a pure and austere lifestyle all his days ?

Murray

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Stewie
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 07:53 PM

Art, also Kapp records - McGuinn was on the cover of 'Mighty Day on Campus'.

Thread creep - the only Colpix album that I have is of the Chad Mitchell Trio and The Gatemen 'In Concert: Everybody's Listening' (1964). The Gatemen were described on the cover blurb as being 'on their way'. They obviously didn't get far - I for one never heard of them again, despite its being bruited that they were 'destined to join the ranks of our top folk singers'.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 08:17 PM

Stewie,

You are correct. Thanks.

All,

Don't get me wrong. I don't trmember EVER meeting Mr. McGuinn ! We saw him on Sundays at the Gate of Horn hoots and we couldn't believe he was as good as he was being that young. Then he was off with the Mitchell Trio.

It was another 6 months before I learned my first 3 chords--in '60---on a $10.00 Stella I bought from Joel Cantor when I was at the U. of Illinois in Champaign. I did NOT do well that year in school. All I wanted to do was pick. Came back to the U. of I. in Chicago--at Navy Pier. Continued in school there for 3 more years (it was only a 2 year branch then)--gigging on the side and flunking courses 'cause all I still wanted to do was be Kerouac and pick guitar. Finally the guitar and banjo won the tug of war with school. That's all she wrote...

Art

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: raredance
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 10:30 PM

McGuinn can also be seen sitting in the background on the cover of the Mitchell Trio "At the Bitter End" album (also on Kapp)

Stewie that Mitchell Trio/Gateman Lp was the second Colpix album for the Mitchell Trio. Colpix pulled it out of their archives and dumped it out after the Mitchell Trio's Kapp albums had gained them them some recognition. The Trio was pissed because they didn't think those tracks reflected the type of music they were currently doing. I can't recall if there was any legal action taken. The Chad Mitchell Trio's first album was on Colpix. that album has at least three different covers. The first one is called "The Chad Mitchell Trio Arrives!" and has a photo of the trio sitting above the awning of the Blue Angel club. Later is was put out as "The Chad MItchell Trio" with a stylized drawing of a guitar and banjo. The third cover had a portrait drawing of Chad.

rich r

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 10:31 PM

And we are all the better for that, Friend Art.

Mick

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 01 - 11:01 PM

Second that eeemotion, Mr Mick...

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Art Thieme
Date: 30 Sep 01 - 01:14 AM

Well, I was just there--if ya know what I mean--the right place at the right/wrong time. These views I put down here are just things I saw when the stuff went down right in front of me. As Captain Kirk said right before he died, "It was fun." And fun beats work most any day.
But as Robert Frost said in the poem Two Tramps At Mud Time, "Only when love and need are one is the deed ever really done for heaven and the future's sake."

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: R McGuinn Treasures from the folk den
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:26 PM

And Roger apparently keeps working on his Folk Den project:

http://www.ibiblio.org/jimmy/folkden-wp/

I can't really say I like his arrangements, but I appreciate that he keeps working to keep these songs alive.
-Joe-