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Subject: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 03 Oct 01 - 03:38 PM part six
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 03 Oct 01 - 03:55 PM for those newcomers to the "Great Tune Search" it was pointed out some time ago that there are/were a lot of songs in the Digital Tradition without posted tunes. A number of people, among them John_In_Brisbane and Alison (and Joe Offer) plus others began trying to find those tunes and post them - either through submissions to the DT or posting here in the forum through Miditxt. About a year ago the current posted version of the DT was "missing" somewhere around 3784 tunes, though for some of those the tunes were either obvious (for some parodies) or the tune directions pointed towards a tune in the DT. it was about that time I volunteered to coordinate a drive to find as many as possible of those "missing tune" In the last 13 months the "list" has been reduced down to (approximately) 2207 tunes. (This does not count the however many Hollowfox found that went direct to DickG at Old Songs.) Of course when the latest DT comes out - all that will change again - but the current "missing tunes" list is still available from me - PM or e-mail me an e-mail address and I will send it to you.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 04 Oct 01 - 02:12 PM 1479) HE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE -NWC file sent to Joe from midi sent by Lin_in_kansas 1057) FAIR STOOD THE WIND - alan bell- NWC file sent to Joe
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 04 Oct 01 - 03:57 PM 1560) HOBO BILL'S LAST RIDE (HOBO BILL)~ NWC file sent to JOe from midi sent by Lin_in_kansas 1593) HOW FAR IS HEAVEN ~NWC file sent to Joe - from midi sent by Lin_in_kansas files have been updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 Oct 01 - 04:17 PM Here are some more:
2225) THE MAGPIE 2
2143) LONESOME DOVE 3
2228) MAID AND THE ROBBER
1100) THE FARMER FEEDS THEM ALL
2496) NO CHURCHMAN AM I Lyric by Robert Burns. The tune is Prepare, my dear Brethren, to the tavern let's fly; midi made from notation in James Kinsley, Burns: Poems and Songs (OUP, 1969). In the fourth line of the first stanza, "business" is given one syllable only.
2616) THE OLD MAN'S TALE Properly called The Old Man's Song; written by Ian Campbell and set to the tune of Nicky Tams. Midi made from notation in The Big Red Songbook (Pluto Press, 1977).
2805) THE POSIE Lyric by Robert Burns (as specified by Alice, who posted it), though the DT file makes no mention of this. Midi made from notation in James Kinsley, Burns: Poems and Songs (OUP, 1969); I have put in a form of trill in the final bar where one is indicated, but with no guarantees that it's an historically correct one.
2839) THE PRODIGAL'S RESOLUTION From D'Urfey's Wit and Mirth: or Pills to Purge Melancholy (1719-1720). The tune is Jamaica, also given in Playford's Dancing Master, edition of 1670. Midi made from Playford's notation, as reproduced in Simpson's The British Broadside and Its Music (1966).
2843) PROUD LADY MARGARET Though the DT file does not say so, this partial text is from Gavin Greig's prolific source Bell Robertson (1914); she learnt it at the age of about 14. Miss Robertson did not sing, so there is no tune recorded. The Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection (vol. II, 1983), however, gives another, fragmentary text, with tune, which was noted from a Mrs. Gordon of New Deer, Aberdeenshire, in 1904. While there is no evidence that the Robertson set was ever sung to this particular tune, the two were found in the same locality only a few years apart, so this is probably the closest we will get. Midi made from the notation in Greig-Duncan.
3249) SPRING GLEE This is the Copper Family's When Spring Comes In, filed under an unusual title. Midi made from notation in Bob Copper's A Song for Every Season (1971).
3270) STORMY WINDS The DT file describes this as "from the singing of the Copper Family", which is code for "learned from a record". As it happens, I'm not aware of this song ever having been in the Coppers' repertoire; the text given is that recorded by the Watersons, and I suspect a mistake in ascription. The tune used was noted by H. Balfour Gardiner, from Benjamin Arnold, of Easton, near Winchester, in 1906; the text is a collation of Arnold's and another, noted "from the stationmaster at Cliddesden, near Basingstoke, Hampshire" by George B. Gardiner in 1907. Midi made from notation of Mr. Arnold's singing in The Journal of the Folk Song Society vol. III, issue 13, 1909. A number of variations were also noted, which I have not incorporated. If I recall correctly, the Watersons changed the tune a bit, but trying to notate their singing can be a pain sometimes, and I don't feel like doing it. There are some mistakes in the DT file. In verse 3, line 1, mount or plain should be Mount Star plain; in line 2, did weave should be did bleat. In verse 5, line 1, grimy should be rimy; in line 3, hail or, though logical, is not what the Watersons sang; they followed the unnamed Stationmaster in singing ilgo, whatever that might be! It's also worth mentioning that the Watersons changed Mr. Arnold's ready to complete (verse 2 line 2) to the more sensible ready to bleat, as given in the DT. Note: There is another version in the DT, SHEPHERD'S SONG; a tune is given, but no source is acknowledged. As it happens, it's the set sent to Lucy Broadwood by F. Scarlett Potter of Halford, Shipton-on-Stour, and published in English County Songs (L.E. Broadwood and J.A. Fuller Maitland, 1893). "The first verse was taken from the recitation of a lady born at Stoke, Gloucestershire, in 1793; the remaining verses were recovered from Thomas Coldicote, shepherd, of Ebrington, Gloucestershire. Blockley, referred to in verse 3, is in the parish adjoining Ebrington."
3441) THREE SISTERS This fragment of Babylon is given in Bronson (Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads, vol. I) as number#14, example 6; Doon by the Bonnie Banks o' Airdrie, O. Midi from the notation in that book.
NOTES: 3104) SEVEN DAFFODILLS This is a mis-spelled duplicate of 3105) SEVEN DAFFODILS , and probably needs to be deleted. The song is a modern one, written by Lee Hayes and Fran Moseley in the early 1960s. I have no idea what the tune might be.
3150) THE SINGLE BOLINDER A modern song, based on LITTLE CHANCE and sharing its tune, which I've already sent to Alan.
3231) SONG OF THE THE GILLIE MORE [sic] This is a duplicate, with the title mis-spelled, of GILLIE MOR, for which the tune (a slowed-down Whistle O'er the Lave O't) has apparantly already been supplied. The former file should probably be deleted.
3310) THE SWEET FORGET-ME-NOT This is a duplicate, slightly more accurately transcribed, of (3309) SWEET FORGET-ME-NOT, for which a tune has apparantly been supplied. Both texts appear to have been transcribed from a recording by Ian Robb. 3309, as the (marginally) inferior duplicate, is an obvious candidate for deletion.
1792) ISLAND OF BOTHIES This is an English translation of a set of FIONNGHUALA, for which I have provided a (rather oddly-notated) traditional tune. It might be sensible to combine the files, or at the very least cross-reference them. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 04 Oct 01 - 04:51 PM WOW! Thanks Malcolm! I don't have any record of 3309 OR 3310 being done - otherwise everything looks great! files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Lin in Kansas Date: 04 Oct 01 - 06:27 PM Malcolm (your post above on The Magpie)--the tune for the DT's "The Cuckoo's Nest" is still needed. I thought I had it, but the version I have doesn't match the DT version. Is the tune you transcribed for "Magpie" the tune for the DT version of "Cuckoo's Nest"? And can I echo MMario's "Wow!"? Your scholarship is impressive! Lin |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 Oct 01 - 08:47 PM To begin with, I thought I had it, too, but the John Shiels Cuckoo's Nest in the DT is one that I don't know, I'm afraid; though it may be set to one of the well-known tune variants, the file isn't specific enough to be sure; it would have to be stretched a bit to accommodate the lyric! Frank Harte would know. While I'm here: 682) COLLYCW |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Lin in Kansas Date: 05 Oct 01 - 02:45 AM Rats! Okay, I'll keep looking...thanks, Malcolm. Lin |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: JohnInKansas Date: 05 Oct 01 - 03:11 AM Query in Conversation With a Mule? about an old LYR ADD thread at: LYR ADD: CONVERSATION WITH A MULE Refreshed and added a discography reference, 4 Oct 2001. John |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 05 Oct 01 - 01:39 PM Malcolm Douglas- a respectful correction re The Magpie's Nest. The actual recording was made by Jean Ritchie and George Pickow (who also took still b&w photos of the event)in the Makem cottage in Keady, Co. Armagh, in 1952. Singer was Annie Jane Kelly. Sean O'Boyle was a near neighbor but was not present on that evening. Peter Kennedy and Seamus Ennis had been most kind in giving us names and addresses of folks they had visited before, throughout England, Scotland and Ireland. Sarah Makem organized that evening's ceilidh, and several folks were there who had not been recorded before by Ennis/Kennedy, Annie Jane being one of them. We gave copies of our tapes to Peter Kennedy upon our return to London, a few weeks later. Jean Ritchie |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 05 Oct 01 - 01:49 PM MMario- Our collections also include, The Cuckoo's Nest, sung by Annie Arnot, and also a version by Jimmie MacBeath in Scotland. These are both short, rather bawdy pieces- whereas, The Magpie's Nest as sung by Annie Jane Kelly in Ireland, is more a gentle love song. Are they really the same song? It doesn't seem so to me. I know the melodies to all these, but haven't learnt how to make them available here. J. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 05 Oct 01 - 03:07 PM Jean, many of us have the software to make midi files. I can do it from sheet music, and I think Joe can change a wave file to a midi. Then some of us can just listen and transcribe. MMario will take any tune you have! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 05 Oct 01 - 03:58 PM Many thanks for the correction, Jean. I quoted the details as Peter Kennedy gave them in his book; evidently his memory failed him on this one! I see what you mean about the great difference in tone between The Magpie's Nest and The Cuckoo's Nest;though the tunes are certainly close relatives, the songs really are, as you say, otherwise quite separate. So far as attributions and sources go, I have to rely almost entirely on received information, so any further corrections or additional information you may have at any time, about anything at all, would be very welcome indeed. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 05 Oct 01 - 06:25 PM Yet the tunes as I know them are different indeed...Annie Jane's, "Magpie's Nest," is a slow, narrative-like, decorated, reflective melody. Annie Arnot's, "Cuckoo's Nest" is fast, rhythmical, with a strong,humorous delivery, and as I remember a rather wild laugh at the end (not part of the tune- just Annie's addition). Hamish H. was with us that time, and he did tend to bring out that kind of thing in singers! Jean |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 11 Oct 01 - 11:33 AM Jean - what some people do is scan the music and e-mail it to me. An even less technological method is to copy the sheet music and snail mail it to me. That is perfectly fine, and one of the easiest ways to get it here. (This is assuming sheet music is available) 1214) FOUR WET PIGS - IvanB sent NWC file to Joe 3273) STRANGE FRUIT - nwc file sent to joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 12 Oct 01 - 08:43 AM 2912) REDNECKS, WHITE SOCKS AND BLUE RIBBON BEER - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin in kansas 3151) SINGLE GIRL -NWC file sent to Joe;midi sent by Lin_in_kansas 3073) SATISFIED MIND - nwc file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas 92) AND SO IT GOES - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 12 Oct 01 - 03:01 PM 2880) RAGGED BUT RIGHT (2)- NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas 2036) THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON (The Blind Man In The Bleachers)- NWC file sent to JOe, midi from Lin-in-kansas 2643) ON THE OTHER HAND ~ NWC file sent to Joe; from midi sent by LIn-in-kansas 2879) RAGGED BUT RIGHT - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas 2652) ONCE I LOVED -NWC file sent to Joe; from a midi sent by Lin_in_kansas 3384) THERE IS POWER - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas 2902) REASON TO BELIEVE - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 17 Oct 01 - 04:05 PM 754) THE CREMATION OF SAM MCGEE - ready to be sent to Joe Nov3. 1406) GREENBERG'S =MC tune = see greenflds 1363) GOOD PEANUTS - nwc file ready to send to joe 2179) LOUISIANA SATURDAY NIGHT -nwc file ready to send to Joe 2301) MEETING IS OVER - NWC file ready to send to Joe 3689) WHAT'S MADE MILWAUKEE FAMOUS(Has Made A Loser Out Of Me)- NWC file ready to send to Joe files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 18 Oct 01 - 12:49 PM 1966) KISSES SWEETER THAN WINE - NWC file ready to send to Joe* 2030) LASS OF GLENSHEE (2) - NWC file ready to send to Joe* 1922) JUST THE FACTS MA'AM (Justfact.mid) ~ NWC file ready to send to Joe* 2097) LINKS ON THE CHAIN ~ NWC file ready to send to Joe*
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 18 Oct 01 - 12:53 PM oops! as usual files are updated, "missing tunes" and "found tunes" files available to be sent to anyone. Volunteers to find and transcribe and/or send scans to me always welcome.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 21 Oct 01 - 04:23 PM 3778) WIM WAM WADDLES The DT file says "collected from mummers in Dorset by BBC". To elaborate a little, this would be Harry Greening and chorus of Dorsetshire Mummers, Dorchester, Dorset, 1936 (Peter Kennedy, Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland, 1975; presuming the information he gives is accurate). Midi made from notation in Kennedy.
277) THE BATTLE OF PRESTONPANS and 3496) TRANENT MUIR These are both variants of the same song. Bruce Olson said, in an earlier thread here: "The Battle of Prestonpans in DT file TRANMUI2 is that in Hogg's Jacobite Relics, II, #62, 1821. The same text (except 'shit' in the 5th verse is expurgated) is called Tranet Muir in The Scots Musical Museum, #102, 1788. The tune in both cases is "Gillikrankie" (Killikrankie). " This is related to the tune given in the DT as Killy Kranky, which is an American variant from Jean Ritchie; given the dates concerned, though, the intended tune would presumably be closer to the one used by Burns (1790) , and given as Killiecrankie in James Kinsley's Burns: Poems and Songs (1969). Midi made from the notation in that book; I haven't embedded a lyric this time, as both songs are phrased differently; work it out for yourselves!
3069) SANDY SEATON'S WOOING [Child #33]
1964) KINMONT WILLIE [Child #186 ]
1599) HUMBOLDT WASSAIL SONG This is a parody of the well-known English Here We Come A-Wassailing, for which the tune is given with HERE WE COME A WASSAILING (2); presumably that is the tune intended. WASSCOME.MID
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 22 Oct 01 - 12:23 AM Worth mentioning that a good few DT files that appear to have tunes, either have tunes that don't belong with the texts given, or are linked to tunes that belong to other files and just happen to share a title. An example that I've just come across is REYNARDINE 2; this is the set recorded by Roberts and Barrand, which they got (all but the last verse) from Stephen Sedley's "mix-and-match" collation from lots of different sources (The Seeds of Love, 1967). The tune came from Henry Hills (c. 1831-1901), of Lodsworth, near Petworth in Sussex, and was noted by W. Percy Merrick c.1900; it was first published in the Journal of the Folk Song Society (vol. I, number 3, 1904). The tune linked to from the DT file is a completely different, American one, which belongs only to REYNARDINE as recorded by Joe Hickerson. I've put a link to a midi of the correct tune in the Reynardine: Info? thread. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 22 Oct 01 - 07:47 PM Thanks, as usual, to Malcolm - I will be updating files tuesday. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 23 Oct 01 - 10:19 AM files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 24 Oct 01 - 02:49 PM 1907) JOY TO THE WORLD (2)-nwc FILE READY TO GO TO jOE. 57) ALL NIGHT LONG -NWC file ready to send to Joe.** 2501) NO MAN IS AN ISLAND - NWC file ready to send to Joe.** 2008) LADY OF SPAIN - NWC file ready to send to Joe** files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 24 Oct 01 - 02:53 PM 2154 to go - about - sorta.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 26 Oct 01 - 12:01 PM 2446) MY WAY - NWC file ready to send to Joe*** 3324) T FOR TEXAS = blue yodel #1 - NWC file ready to send to Joe - pdf from Lin_in_kansas 73) AMANDA - NWC file ready to send to Joe - pdf from lin in kansas 3799) WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS - NWC file ready to send to Joe ~pdf from lin-in-kansas files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 26 Oct 01 - 04:34 PM 3114 THE SHAPE OF MY LOVE midtext/abc posted in this thread - Tune Req: Ballad of the Shape of Things. WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 26 Oct 01 - 04:38 PM 1893) JOLLY OLD HAWK - nwc file ready to send Joe - pdf from Lin-in-kansas files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 28 Oct 01 - 02:18 PM 3381 THEIR WAY - same tune as 2446) MY WAY (From: MMario Date: 26-Oct-01 - 12:01 PM ) WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 29 Oct 01 - 11:18 AM 982) EAT BERTHA'S MUSSELS - NWC file ready to send to Joe. files updated.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 29 Oct 01 - 02:14 PM 2414) MY DEAR COMPANION- NWC file ready to send to Joe - PDF file from Lin-in-kansas 828) DECK OF CARDS - NWC file of accompaniment ready to send to Joe - tif file from Lin-in-kansas 3289) SUMMER WAGES - NWC file ready to send to Joe PDF file from lin-in-kansas 880) DO RE MI -NWC file ready to send to Joe. PDF file from Lin-in-kansas 930) DRAFT DODGER RAG - NWC file ready to send to Joe - PDF file from Lin-in-Kansas 3253) ST. JAMES HOSPITAL - NWC file ready to send to Joe - PDF from Lin-in-kansas files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: GUEST,MMario - cookieless Date: 30 Oct 01 - 11:52 AM 902) DON'T LET THE SUN GO DOWN ON ME - NWC file ready for Joe - pdf from Lin-in-kansas 3869) YOUR SONG - NWC file ready for Joe - pdf from Lin-in-kansas files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: GUEST,MMario Date: 30 Oct 01 - 12:36 PM have just finished the last batch of stuff Lin-in-Kansas sent to me; if I have counted correctly - that's somewhere around 186 tunes she has found, transcribed and in to be matched with lyrics!!!! Thank you Lin! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 30 Oct 01 - 06:05 PM 2436 MY OLD MAN 1905 JOY OF LIVING 3120 SHEATH AND KNIFE 2 2508 NOBODY KNEW SHE WAS THERE 349 BLACK AND WHITE
All the above - MidiText/abc posted in this thread Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: GUEST,MMario Date: 31 Oct 01 - 08:45 AM files updated. more to come. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 31 Oct 01 - 12:13 PM 2856) PUT ANOTHER LOG ON THE FIRE -NWC file ready for Joe. 536) BY THE DRY CARDRONA - NWC file ready for Joe. 955) DRY CARDRONA - same as "BY THE DRY CARDRONA" files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 31 Oct 01 - 03:21 PM 693) COME AWAY, COME AWAY, DEATH - NWC file ready for Joe. files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:04 PM 1872 JOHN FRANCOIS is basically the same song as BONEY (filename [BONEYNAP in the DT. The tune in the DT for this is virtually identical to Hugill's Boney. WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 01 Nov 01 - 09:03 PM 3167) SIX EGGS IN THE POT This is another set of several fragmentary variants of a song provided by Murray of Saltspring. While his scholarship is impressive, the DT files unfortunately do not contain a bibliography or any key to the abbreviations he uses, so what might have been an extremely valuable resource is rendered virtually useless. The notes do not make clear which of several examples of the tune named belong to which text (quite possibly that is unknown) or how far they differ from each other; the most easily-accessible, however, is the last named: "...the vehicle for Burns' song about himself, "There was a lad was born in Kyle". The tune for this is given with the DT file THERE WAS A LAD Burns' text, with tune. There is also another DT file without a tune, though as it doesn't appear in the "missing" list I assume that somebody has already pointed out that it is actually a duplicate:
RANTIN' ROVIN` ROBIN Identical to the above, apart from a few minor differences in spelling, the omission of the final verse, and the failure to credit the text to Burns: no tune is given. As an inferior duplicate, this file is an obvious candidate for deletion.
It is worth mentioning that Burns himself (according to James Kinsley) provided a text of the song, as O and ye were dead Gudeman, to the Scots Musical Museum. Murray quotes the text in the Six Eggs file, but doesn't mention Burns. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 02 Nov 01 - 03:40 PM Thank you gentlemen! files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 07 Nov 01 - 02:14 PM 835) DELANY'S DONKEY - NWC file sent to Joe. 969) THE DYING COWBOY- NWC file sent to Joe 974) THE EAGLE AND THE HAWK - NWC file sent to Joe. 2281) THE MASTER OF THE SHEEPFOLD- PDF of Jeri's midi (Nov 5, '01)sent to Joe (transcribed by Lin-in-Kansas) files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 07 Nov 01 - 05:07 PM 929 DOWN WHERE THE DRUNKARDS ROLL 1345 GOING TO THE ZOO 1733 I'VE GOT THE CLANKS 2314 MERMAID (RULE BRITANNIA) 2425 MY HUSBAND'S GOT NO COURAGE IN HIM (2) 3004 THE ROSEABELLA posted in this thread Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 08 Nov 01 - 10:07 AM 2298) ME BRAVE BOYS - abc @ threadid=14952#131218?threadid=14952 by Bruce O. NWC sent files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 08 Nov 01 - 03:37 PM 2224) THE MAGPIE - posted by MCP @ threadid=285#705 - NWC file sent to Joe 1207) FOSTERS' MILL - NWC file sent to Joe. 1268) THE GEEZER AND THE GUISER - NWC file sent to Joe. 1294) GHOST OF WILLIE-O - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 09 Nov 01 - 01:21 PM 1284) GEORGIA ON MY MIND - NWC file sent to Joe; pdf from Lin-in-Kansas 386) BLUE RIDGE CABIN HOME - NWC file sent to Joe; pdf from Lin-in-kansas 500) BRING IT ON HOME TO ME - NWC file sent to joe; pdf from lin-in-kansas 563) CAMP GRENADA - NWC file sent to joe-pdf from lin in Kansas files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 09 Nov 01 - 04:29 PM 1347) GOLD WATCH AND CHAIN - NWC file sent to joe; pdf from lin-in-kansas
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:42 PM 3095) THE SEASONS This was transcribed from a Loreena McKennitt record. Ms. McKennitt rarely bothers to acknowledge her sources, and described this one only as "traditional English, 19th century". The song turns up on broadsides, but so far as I know, the only published example with a matching text from a traditional source with a tune is the set noted by W.A. Barrett at Shoreham, Sussex, in the late C19th; it was published in his English Folk-Songs (1891) and re-printed in Roy Palmer's Everyman's Book of English Country Songs (1979), which is presumably where Ms. McKennitt got it (?). Midi made from the notation in Palmer's book. I've only heard a short sound sample of the McKennitt recording, and she seems to have fiddled around with the tune rather a lot, perhaps in an attempt to make it more romantic or ethereal, but I think that it's the same one. Anyway, it's the traditional tune, whatever the airy-fairy faction have done to it in the meantime... A few corrections to the transcription:
Verse 1, line 4: doth appear
V2, line 6: shady grove
V3, line 5: befriended
V4, line 1: song and tale
Ms. McKennitt has omitted two whole seasons, making for a rather short year. The missing six months are as follows:
Then cometh Summer, and then to each beholder
Next cometh Winter when outdoor work's suspended;
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:50 PM Malcolm, when I grow up I want to own your library....(or at least have access to your resources!) Thank you again (I figure it can't be said often enough, considering the incredible information you post) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 14 Nov 01 - 01:15 PM With Thanks to Lin-in-Kansas: 2133) LOBACHEVSKY - lehrer - to qoute the songbook "Prospective performers of the piece are advised to heed its basic principles and plagiarize the author's version" - more or less a recitation. 2479) NEW MATH - from songbook "there is no melody to this song" files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Lin in Kansas Date: 14 Nov 01 - 02:04 PM Well, there is a tune for the Refrain ONLY on New Math...may not be worth the hassle of sending on to Joe, though. Lin |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 14 Nov 01 - 02:33 PM Lin - I curtailed the qoute for this list...but sent the whole thing onto Joe. *grin* |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 14 Nov 01 - 02:44 PM 490) BRIGHT COLLEGE DAYS - lehrer - NWC file sent to Joe; pdf from lin-in-kansas 588) CAROLINA ON MY MIND /Going to Carolina/Carolina in My Mind - NWC file sent to Joe; pdf from lin-in-kansas files updated.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 14 Nov 01 - 04:29 PM 1537) THE HIGHLANDER'S LAMENT - NWC file sent to Joe. file updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 15 Nov 01 - 08:19 AM 3227) SONG OF THE SEALS - NWC file sent to Joe. files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 15 Nov 01 - 11:04 AM some of these may be duplicate reportings: 1595) HOWARD JOHNSON HALLELUJAH! - see "The Hallelujah Chorus" 1599) HUMBOLDT WASSAIL SONG - see wasscome.mid 1792) ISLAND OF BOTHIES - see Fionnghuala.mid at alan's site 1872) JOHN FRANCOIS - see songfile BONEYNAP 3150) THE SINGLE BOLINDER - see little chance at alan's midi site 3167) SIX EGGS IN THE POT - see songfile DNTDAVE 3231) SONG OF THE GILLIE MORE - see Gillie Mor files updated
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 15 Nov 01 - 02:00 PM 1667) I SING OF A NIGHT - aka One Night in Bethlehem aka Don Oiche Ud Im Beithil - NWC file sent to Joe. files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:12 PM 637) CHRISTMAS TIME - lehrer - aka A CHRISTMAS CAROL - NWC file sent to Joe;pdf from lin-in-kansas 1621) I AIN'T MARCHIN' ANYMORE- NWC file sent to Joe;midi from SingOut! 1900) JOSHUA GONE BARBADOS - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from SingOut! 1312) GIVE YOURSELF TO LOVE - NWC file to joe; midi from singout! 1885) JOHNNY LAD - see tunefile johnlad2 files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 16 Nov 01 - 06:36 PM 1885 JOHNNY LAD The DT says recorded by McColl & Seeger, Ian Campbell Folk Group. I have a recording by the Campbell group which uses the same tune as MY JOHNNY LAD in the DT (Filename [JOHNLAD2). However, they also sing basically the same lyrics shown in MY JOHNNY LAD, not the lyrics of JOHNNY LAD. But as the last verse of JOHNNY LAD is used as the chorus of MY JOHHNY LAD, and there is another verse in common, I guess the tune is probably the same. Looking at the two sets of words, it looks like MY JOHNNY LAD is probably a (kids') parody of the other. Have a look at them both, Mario - you decide. Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 17 Nov 01 - 01:24 PM 3189 SMUGGLERS Miditext/ABC posted here Lyr Req: Smugglers life for me 2342 MINER LAD Miditext/ABC posted here Lyr/Tune Add: Miner Lad WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 18 Nov 01 - 11:47 AM 1791 ISABEL MAKES LOVE Miditext/ABC posted here Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 19 Nov 01 - 09:42 AM Thanks snuffy! Files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 20 Nov 01 - 05:09 PM will not be at work for the next 5 days - so may not be as quick to respond to various postings - but I will be checking. and for once I WILL have the updated list of "missing tunes" at home - so will be able to send it out if anyone wants it. My rough count says we are are at about 2088 tunes still missing. Wouldn't take much to put us below 2000 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 23 Nov 01 - 06:07 AM 3164 SISTER JOSEPHINE |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 27 Nov 01 - 09:41 AM Thanks snuffy! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 27 Nov 01 - 03:03 PM 2385) MOTHERS, DAUGHTER, WIVES - NWC file sent to JOe;midi from SingOut 2406) THE MUSIC WILL FOLLOW US - NWC file sent to Joe. files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 27 Nov 01 - 04:44 PM The following three need to be considered together: 2592) THE OLD DOORSTEP -original song, as written by A.J. Crider and Geo.B. Chase, 1880. 2631) OLD STEPSTONE -shortened text from Bascom Lamar Lunsford of Carolina.
There is another DT file, STEP STONE "from Bascom Lamar Lunceford"; the text has moved further from the original. There is a tune given, a cut-down set of the original.
Both "Stepstones" reckon to be derived from Bascom Lamar Lunsford (Lunceford is a mis-spelling); the texts are different, so either he had two variants, or someone has made a mistake. At all events, it seems not unreasonable to imagine that the tune given with Step Stone must be pretty much the same as the one missing from Old Stepstone, so a cross-reference should suffice unless someone can provide specifics. The Old Doorstep was written with verses double the length of these, so needs a tune of its own; fortunately, it can be found in the Lester Levy Collection, and I have made two midis from the 1880 sheetmusic (Creston, IA: Dr. J.W. Graves); one of the vocal line only, one of the full arrangement for voice and piano including a nice four-part harmony for the chorus.
3274) STRANGE VISITOR This is a recitation, and has no tune.
3307) SWEET DUBLIN BAY Though it appears on broadsides and was noted (text only) by Alfred Williams in the Upper Thames area in the early years of the 20th century, all sets noted with tunes from traditional singers seem to be from the USA and Canada. In fact, it's a commercially composed song of the later 19th century, words by Mrs. Anne (or Julia; accounts differ) Crawford with music by George Baker. Sheetmusic (undated, published by the National Music Co. of Chicago) is available at Levy: Dublin Bay. Mrs. Crawford was a prolific writer of popular romantic songs, often on "Irish" or "Scotch" subjects ; she wrote a whole series of "Songs of Mary Queen of Scots" (and at least one about the American Civil War), but is best known as the writer of Kathleen Mavourneen. Midi made from the sheet music (vocal line only; the piano accompaniment is not worth bothering with). The "Silly Wizard" recording, as transcribed in the DT, contains some departures from the original text, but since no reference of any kind is made to their source, we can't tell if these are genuine variations from a traditional version or mistakes made by the band or the transcriber. Equally, I have no idea if they used the original tune or not.
75) AMBER TRESSES The DT file appears to credit this song to A.P. Carter, but it was actually written by Samuel M. Mitchell (words) and H.P. Danks (music), as Amber Tresses Tied in Blue. Sheet music printed in 1874 by Cottier & Denton, 269 Main St., Buffalo, can be seen at Levy. Midi made from this (vocal line only). The text has changed in the course of transmission, so I 've posted it in a thread of its own: Amber Tresses. I don't know if Mr. Carter's set had a modified melody, of course; presumably it was shorter, as the original song had verses twice the length of his.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 28 Nov 01 - 09:47 AM Thanks Malcolm - files updated with your info plus: 2423) MY HOME TOWN -NWC sent to Joe.; pdf from lin-in-kansas 2439) MY OWN DEAR GALWAY BAY-NWC file sent to Joe.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 28 Nov 01 - 04:16 PM 2470) THE NERVOUS WRECK OF THE EDNA FITZGERALD- NWC sent to Joe 2512) NORTH SEA HOLES - NWC file sent to Joe. 2672) ONLY A BOY NAMED DAVID - NWC file sent to Joe. files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 29 Nov 01 - 02:30 PM 17) ACROSS THE BLUE MOUNTAIN ~ NWC file sent to Joe; pdf from lin-in-kansas 272) THE BATTLE OF ELKHORN TAVERN - NWC sent to Joe; pdf from Lin-in-kansas 966) DUST ON THE BIBLE ~NWC file sent to Joe; pdf file from lin-in-kansas files updated
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 30 Nov 01 - 04:38 PM 2731) PEACEFUL EASY FEELING-NWC file sent to Joe; pdf from lin-in-kansas files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 01 Dec 01 - 03:57 PM A couple of Beatles tunes with parody lyrics: 1465 HARVARD SQUARE 1504 HERE AND NOW MidiText/abc posted to this thread Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 03 Dec 01 - 01:20 PM 1504) HERE AND NOW - posted by snuffy in thread 26154 1465) HARVARD SQUARE - posted by snuffy in thread 26154 files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 03 Dec 01 - 03:05 PM I swear snuffy's post wasn't there when I went to post these! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 04 Dec 01 - 01:41 PM 3104) SEVEN DAFFODILLS - mispelled duplicate of 3105 3105) SEVEN DAFFODILS-NWC file sent to Joe. files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 04 Dec 01 - 04:32 PM 3186) SMOKE! SMOKE! SMOKE THAT CIGARETTE!-pdf from Lin-in-kansas; NWC file sent to Joe. 409) BOLD O'DONAHUE - NWC file sent to Joe. 2573) OKLAHOMA HILLS - pdf from l-i-k;midi by J.A. Robinson;NWC file sent to Joe. files updated
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 06 Dec 01 - 04:21 PM 700) COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS - midi found by sorcha:NWC file sent to Joe. 2318) METHODIST PIE -pdf from lin-in-kansas;NWC file sent to Joe. files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 06 Dec 01 - 05:33 PM 2655) ONE DAY AT A TIME, SWEET JESUS - mid/pdf from lin-in-kansas; NWC file sent to Joe. 3506) TRUCK DRIVIN' MAN - pdf from lin in kansas; NWC file sent to Joe. 192) THE BALLAD OF BONNIE AND CLYDE-midi/pdf from lin-in-kansas; nwc file sent to joe. files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 07 Dec 01 - 12:51 PM 3228) THE SONG OF THE SOCKEYE - NWC file sent to Joe. 3130) SHOWER THE PEOPLE - NWC file sent to Joe. files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 07 Dec 01 - 04:36 PM 3264) STEP IT OUT, MARY - NWC file sent to Joe. 3326) TAFFY WAS A WELSHMAN - NWC file sent to Joe. files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 08 Dec 01 - 11:43 AM 636) CHRISTMAS LAMENTATIONS The DT file names no source of any kind for this text. Thanks to a current thread, Welladay: need corrections, we now know that it was taken from Chappell's Popular Music of the Olden Time (1859), and that the correct title is CHRISTMAS'[S] LAMENTATION. The DT has only the first two verses of eight, and contains one or two minor mistakes; I have posted the entire text to the Welladay thread, with a midi of the vocal line as printed by Chappell.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 08 Dec 01 - 01:46 PM 1142 FIRE MARINGO |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 08 Dec 01 - 05:22 PM 317) BESSY AND HER SPINNING WHEEL Described laconically in the DT file as "Scots", this is actually another one from Burns, written in c.1792. Midi made from the notation in Burns: Poems and Songs (James Kinsley, OUP, 1969).
542) CA HAWKIE This file actually contains one Scottish text and one English; the latter is from Bruce and Stokoe's Northumbrian Mistrelsy (1882); midi made from the notation in that book. For convenience, I have slightly modified bar12; the 5th and sixth notes are given as an eighth note and a dotted sixteenth, which leaves a one-thirtysecond rest -not specified in the music- somewhere in the bar. I have changed these to a dotted eighth and one sixteenth, which fits nicely. For some reason, two stanzas are omitted in the DT file (though their omission is noted); they belong between the second and third stanzas as given, thus:
Hawkie is a pretty cow,
Girls be not too nice or coy, Bruce Olson posted an earlier set of the tune (1772) here: Drive Hakky |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 09 Dec 01 - 08:42 AM 3356 TAMLYN Miditext/abc posted here Young Tamblin of Les Barker's Tam Lin which seems to be based on the above. There is no indication of source in the DT file. The first verse is identical, and it follows the subsequent text fairly closely. Unlike the Kippers, Les Barker tends to use the traditional tune and only change the words. WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 09 Dec 01 - 11:01 AM The DT text seems to be a transcription made by ear from a Pete Morton record, Frivolous Love (Harbourtown Records; issued in the USA by Philo). It contains some minor mis-hearings. It is not a traditional version of the song, and is pretty obviously a modification of A.L. Lloyd's (also untraditional) modernisation of the ballad, which he seems to have based loosely on the text (without a tune) that James Duncan got from Bell Robertson of Aberdeenshire in 1915. Exactly where the tune Lloyd used came from nobody seems to know, but it's a relative of one I've heard used for Little Sir Hugh amongst others. Snuffy's abc is the tune Lloyd used; I don't remember how close to it Morton's recording was, but I'm pretty sure he used it too, as did Frankie Armstrong, who also sings a modification of Lloyd's rewrite. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 09 Dec 01 - 11:16 AM Back in the Tamblin thread, Garry Gillard has pointed to a transcription of Mike Waterson's recording of the song, which makes it clear that Pete Morton got his set from Mike, who made most of the modifications to Lloyd's earlier re-write himself. It seems most likely that Les Barker's parody is based on the Waterson re-make. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 10 Dec 01 - 08:46 AM files updated. Lin-in-Kansas has sent me a new batch too, will update with hers asap. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 10 Dec 01 - 09:39 AM 2780) PLASTIC MOSES - see 'Plastic Jesus - tunefile plastjes (l-i-k) 1575) HONEST FARMER or BOLL WEEVIL - tune = 'Palms of Victory' see tunefile PALMSVIC (l-i-k) 1747) IF THE RIVER WAS WHISKEY - tune - 'Rye Whiskey' see tunefile ryewhisk (l-i-k) 2866) QUEEN OF CHESAPEAKE BAY - NWC file sent from Lin-in-kansas; found at American Memory aka "Sailing Down the Chesapeake Bay" 2877) THE RACE IS ON - midi from web- NWC file sent from Lin-in-Kansas 19) ADALIDA - midi by J. A. Robinson - NWC file sent from Lin-in-Kansas 1919) JUST A-BUMMIN' AROUND - NWC file from Lin-in-kansas sent. files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 11 Dec 01 - 03:41 PM 2413) MY DADDY IS ONLY A PICTURE ~ mid/pdf from lin-in-kansas; NWC file sent to Joe. 2566) OH, HAPPY DAY -pdf from lin-in-kansas; NWC file sent to Joe.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 11 Dec 01 - 06:26 PM 3495 TRAINS OF WATERLOO |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Dec 01 - 11:35 AM 3872) YOUTH'S THE SEASON From John Gay's Beggar's Opera (song number XXII, though the DT file does not say so). Frank Kidson (The Beggar's Opera: Its Predecessors and Successors, 1922) identifies the tune to which it was set as follows: "Air: Cotillon. This is a French cotillon called Zoney's Rant, in the third volume of the Dancing Master (circ. 1726)." Midi made from the notation in that book, found at Robert M. Keller's The Dancing Master, 1651-1728: An Illustrated Compendium where it is given as Toney's Rant. I don't know which is the correct reading; it is impossible to tell from the image file.
1177) FLY UP, MY COCK (2) There is a note in the DT file saying, "from Sam Henry's Songs of the People where it's called The Bonny Bushes Bright". Seems not the best of ideas to file it as Fly Up My Cock, then, but it was intended to be helpful. Midi made from notation in the Henry collection; the set came from Frank Thompson of Priestland, Bushmills, in 1937.
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511) BROUCHTY WA'S [Child #258]. Sorcha posted an abc for this one back in February, which I think you may have missed: Broughty Wa's. Worth mentioning that the DT file title is spelled wrong!
338) BILL PICKETT and 2580) OLD BILL PICKETT are effectively duplicates. The former credits a writer, the latter doesn't, but contains extensive background notes. The two files need to be combined. No idea about the tune...
1072) FALSE SIR JOHN 2 This is Child's version C. MMario sent a tunefile (Bronson, 4:83) to Joe back in April, saying that it was for 1071) FALSE SIR JOHN. This latter file states "tune & text from Bronson", which is only partly true; the text seems to have been cobbled together from bits and pieces (and the reference halfway through to a "bridge" seems pretty pointless), though the bulk of it is probably a modern anglicisation of parts of Child's C text. Altogether rather unsatisfactory; there are so many genuine traditional versions of this song that it seems a shame to include modern, non-traditional collations instead. Oh well; the tune is the right one for Child 4:C, anyway, and may well be the right one for the other file as well. We can probably consider both dealt with. Worth mentioning, perhaps, that there are mistakes of transcription in False Sir John (2), which look like the result of using an OCR program and not proof-reading the results.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 12 Dec 01 - 01:40 PM Thanks malcolm! files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 13 Dec 01 - 06:20 PM Mario you posted: 1575) HONEST FARMER or BOLL WEEVIL - tune = 'Palms of Victory' see tunefile PALMSVIC (l-i-k) I have 2710 PALMS OF VICTORY as still outstanding. Did I miss something? WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 13 Dec 01 - 07:21 PM snuff - I'll check in the morning - but I do believe it has been posted. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 14 Dec 01 - 08:40 AM yup - snuffy Lin-in-Kansas sent me a copy of "Palms of Victory" and it's been put into NWC and sent on to Joe. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Snuffy Date: 14 Dec 01 - 09:03 AM Great! that's 2 less. Are we under 2K yet? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 14 Dec 01 - 09:10 AM lemmee - count....carry the one, take off the shoes, and... nope - sorry - latest guestimate is we are at 2034 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 17 Dec 01 - 04:57 PM 3538) TWENTY MEN FROM DUBLIN TOWN - NWC file sent to Joe. 2033 files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 18 Dec 01 - 09:16 AM 1047) THE FACTOR'S GARLAND This broadside text was originally posted by Bruce Olson, here: LONG SONG, Q37. The tune directed, The Wand'ring Lady, has not been identified; however, Marguerite Olney noted a set from tradition in 1941, from a Mr. Nelson Powers of Mattawamkeag, Maine; he had learned it from his father. His text, at an impressive 54 verses, is virtually the same as the broadside (58 verses); obviously we can't tell whether or not his tune is The Wand'ring Lady or a relative of it, but it's the closest we are likely to get. Midi made from notation in Ballads Migrant in New England (Helen Hartness Flanders and Marguerite Olney, 1953); I have not modified it to fit the first verse of the DT file, as the intervals are unusual and I don't think it should be messed with. Mr. Powers' first verse went as follows: Behold, here's a ditty, the truth and no jest,
There is a much shorter, fragmentary set from tradition in the DT, also lacking a tune: 1048) FACTOR'S SONG This was printed in Hartness and Brown's Vermont Folksongs and Ballads (1931); as soon as I get hold of it I'll add that tune as well.
There are two further DT files without tunes which were taken from Ballads Migrant in New England: 3502) THE TROOPER AND THE TURK and 3855) YOU GENTLEMEN OF ENGLAND FARE: in both cases, no tunes were given in the book. There appears to be only one tune known for the former (Child 266), which is a Scottish one so may be quite inappropriate for an American text; however, it's all that's available. It's in Bronson, and I'll get to it eventually unless Sorcha would like to. For the latter, there appear to be two tunes on record; an English one in the Journal of the Folk Song Society (vol.3, no.1, 1908) and one in Helen Creighton's Songs and Ballads from Nova Scotia. I don't yet know if they are at all similar, but will look into it. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: MMario Date: 18 Dec 01 - 09:22 AM Malcolm - you are a treasure! Thank you! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 22 Dec 01 - 03:47 PM 1048) FACTOR'S SONG This appears in Vermont Folksongs and Ballads (Helen Hartness Flanders and George Brown, 1931) with the following note: "Recorded by Mr. Brown, September 13, 1930, in Manchester, Vermont, from the singing of Mr. Sharon Harrington as learned from his mother, Rebecca Smith Harrington." Midi made from the notation in that book.
1845) JENNY JENKINS A song quite widespread in America, though I have a vague idea that it's originally Scottish. The text in the DT was taken from a record by Margaret MacArthur rather than from her source, the Flanders/Brown book, in which the tune is given with the following note:
"Recorded by Mrs. Alice Brown, July 24, 1930, in Bethel, Vermont, from the singing of Mrs. Susan Chase, as learned from her aunt when a little girl. The village of Bethel promised much at a casual glance, but yielded nothing until Mrs. Chase sang a snatch of this old song to the collector who sat upon a doorstep in the village street and gratefully wrote it down; it was all Mrs. Chase could recall of the song."
The editors go on to discuss colour symbolism and the use of the song in children's games. They then give a text from the original Green Mountain Songster (1823); Ms. MacArthur has added bits of this to Mrs. Chase's single verse in order to make a "full" set; unfortunately, the older text is too long for the tune, so the result is -on paper- an uneasy compromise with most of the chorus omitted and oh narrow, narrow substituted throughout for the Onere, Onere of the earlier set. I expect it works fine when sung, but the DT note is misleading in that it implies that the text is authentic whereas it's actually a modern collation. Midi made from the notation of Mrs. Chase's singing.
2813) A PRESENT FROM THE GENTLEMEN This poem by Rudyard Kipling is, inexcusably, not credited to its author in the DT file. It is correctly called A Smuggler's Song, and appeared in Puck of Pook's Hill. In verse 1, line 4 should begin So watch... In verse 2, line 1, woodlands should be woodlumps; in line 4, brushwood should be brishwood. Strictly, use 'em for your play should be take 'em for your play, but this appears to be an alteration made by Peter Bellamy, who set the poem to music. Midi made from notation of Bellamy's music as given in The Song and the Story (Isla St Clair and David Turnbull, 1981). |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN From: Noreen Date: 08 Jun 02 - 11:01 AM Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT (for completeness, and because I couldn't find it) |
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