Subject: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,Old Brown's Daughter Date: 11 Oct 01 - 03:20 PM I'm looking for chords/tablature/sheet music for this song. I have the lyrics, thanks to the liner notes in Casey Neill's cd "Skree" on which he so graciously shared the song with us. Quite a cool piece--about a rabbit hunt, but from the hare's perspective. I've been playing music with some friends for several months now, and we're looking for neat stuff to learn, and I just adore this song. Any help out there? :) Old Brown's Daughter Also see Hare's Lament |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: MMario Date: 11 Oct 01 - 03:28 PM notes for the CD say this is "traditional" - but google only pulls up references to the CD. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,MudWeasel Date: 11 Oct 01 - 05:05 PM I think that this is one of those songs where you're going to find 50 different alternate spellings of kilgrane (Kilgrain, Kilgraine?) and a better bet is to search the digitrad for @hunting and see what come up. I had given up on finding lyrics for "Johnny O' Bradis Lea" but recently found it with a topic search, titled "Johnny of Braidsley". Go figure. Anyway, I'm pretty sure this one is in the digitrad. And anyone else following this thread. Casey Neill Trio is a damn fine band. Buy the CD's make thme rich. They deserve it. -Mudweasel |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,MudWeasel Date: 11 Oct 01 - 05:09 PM I found it! And this is my first blue clicky on mudcat, (I actually work with HTML as a web designer), so if it don't work, I can repost. This is almost identical to the version that Casey Neill Trio does. -MudWeasel |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: MMario Date: 11 Oct 01 - 07:57 PM well done, mudweasel! I figured it was under another title, but not knowing the song is a severe handicap. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,MudWeasel Date: 11 Oct 01 - 08:05 PM Like I said, found it while looking fore something else under the wrong title. Now that I've officially dug something out of the DT on behalf of another, does that make me a "True 'Catter" myself? I've only got acces thru my work computer, so I'll never be a proud cookie owner, but I'd like to think I fit in OK around here anyhow. -MudWeasel (Permanent Guest) |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE HILLS OF GREENMORE (from Terry Woods) From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 11 Oct 01 - 11:06 PM Your next mission, should you choose to accept it, is to post the tune (none of the Granemore/Greenmore Hare sets here have a midi attached yet...
GRANEMORE HARE As linked to above by MudWeasel; from a Dick Gaughan record (unspecified; it was actually Kist O'Gold); no tune given, no traditional source named. Dick learned it from Tommy Sands.
THE HILLS OF GREENMORE From a Steeleye Span record. Many mistakes, no tune, no traditional source named. Most lyrics given for this set on the web seem to have been copied from the DT (complete with errors) without acknowledgement; there is another set circulating which is also inaccurate; just not quite as badly!
HILLS OF GREENMORE (2) From a record by Dervish; learned from Al O'Donnell (? the reference in the DT file is unclear, and I don't have that record to check the notes); no tune.
I suppose that some corrections to the transcription from the S. Span (sung by Terry Woods) text we have here might be useful. The following is a copy of the DT file, with alterations in bold. There are still a few doubtful readings, which are indicated. If he'd said where he got it from, we could go to his source and avoid all this messing about...
THE HILLS OF GREENMORE
(As recorded by Terry Woods; no traditional source named. Amended transcription)
One fine winter's morning my horn I did blow
And when we arrived, they were all standing there
As we flew o'er the hills, 'twas a beautiful sight
In the field of fleet stubble this pussy did lie
"No more o'er the green fields of Keady I'll roam
You may blame old McMahon for killing the hare
(1) He sings, down. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: Aidan Crossey Date: 12 Oct 01 - 04:22 AM Terry's diction on the Hark The Village Wait was shite! No wonder those attempting to set down the words by attempting to translate via his Venusian accent have made occasional errors. I'd have to correct some of the corrections made by Malcolm. My da used to sing this one ... "Dogs black and yellow, dogs brown and bright" is how I heard it sung "It was her last ride o'er the hills of Granemore" (night makes no sense) "In a field of wheat stubble, etc." The rendition of this which I heard as a boy went "Through hedges and fields, boys, in sport and in fun" Slan go foill |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: Wolfgang Date: 12 Oct 01 - 04:46 AM Here's how Reinhard Zierke has these lyrics on his Steeleye Span pages. Where this version differs from Malcolm's, mostly I'd bet on Malcolm, but at two or three places it might improve Malcolm's version. I'm with Derrymacash on 'wheat stubble', the other two I can't say without listening once more. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: Aidan Crossey Date: 12 Oct 01 - 05:11 AM Oh ... Another observation ... I was always under the impression that the lyrics should go "Or hear the long horn that Joe Toner does play" ... Toner being a fairly prevalent Armagh surname (for example the Lurgan accordionist, Patsy Toner).
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,MudWeasel Date: 12 Oct 01 - 12:18 PM Guys, I have a confession to make... I got you set on the wrong song. Casey Neill Trio does "Hills of Greenmore" and they also do "Hare of Kilgrain". I posted a blickie for the former, but it's the latter that the original poster was interested in. I screwed up rather spectacularly... I don't think hare of Kilgrain is in the DT, so I guess I can go home and transcribe it this weekend. O' course, in a fit of generosity I lent my copy of the CD to my fiddle player who lives a good 60-70 miles away from me, I'll have to rely on memory to figure out the chords. If Old Brown's Daughter could post the lyrics she's got from the liner notes, then I'll have something to match the chords up with, once I've got them in hand. -A sheepish MudWeasel |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 12 Oct 01 - 12:57 PM With a name like "Old Brown's Daughter" you should learn a song froma Johnny Collins CD I have. The chorus goes: Old Brown's daughter is a proper sort of girl, Old Brown's daughter is as fair as any pearl, I wish I was a rich man, a Marquis or an Earl, I'm blowed if I wouldn't marry, Old Brown's girl. May be a bit off the true mark but you get the general idea. Martin Simpson does an interesting version of Graenmore Hare on his "Bootleg USA" CD. JohnB |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Oct 01 - 02:23 PM Most of us have done that in our time, MudWeasel! Hare songs are always popular round here, so if you and/or Old Brown's Daughter could post Kilgrain, I'm sure it would be appreciated.
Returning for a moment to Terry Woods' Greenmore, it can be a difficult line to tread between transcribing what somebody actually sings and what they probably ought to have sung; in the case of a traditional singer you have to go for a completely faithful transcription, but in the case of a Revival singer (I'd tend to put Terry in that camp) it's a grey area. Black and bright is a bit silly; brown and bright is still a bit odd, but though it isn't what he sang, I don't doubt that it should have been. Joe Toner probably is what he was singing; as Derrymacash says, that Venusian accent is the devil to make out sometimes, and I didn't touch the DT text there because I couldn't tell the difference. Wheat stubble is obviously what he should have sung; the same may go for ride, though the Dervish set apparently has sight, which is another possibility. I should have mentioned that other versions have Boys of May Down in the first verse, and it's not impossible that Terry actually intended to sing that... |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: Aidan Crossey Date: 15 Oct 01 - 07:43 AM A version of The Hills Of Granemore can be found here Pay The Reckoning. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,Old Brown's Daughter Date: 16 Oct 01 - 01:51 PM To JohnB-- I borrowed the name from that exact song, though I haven't heard Johnny Collins' version. I know it from two places: one, my mother used to sing it to me as a child (because well, I am old Brown's daughter--my father being named Brown, and getting fairly old now), and also from Great Big Sea's record "Turn," where I re-discovered it. I'm thinking of having it sung at the end of the prelude music at my wedding next summer/fall (we haven't decided on August or September yet--depends on a bunch of stuff). To MudWeasel and all others-- thank you! I will have to pull out the cd when I am home to post the lyrics as they are written in the liner notes of Casey's cd (I went to college with him--I can call him by his first name, and say "I knew him when..."--which makes me feel pretty cool). Having someone with a better ear than mine figure out chords for me would be muchly appreciated! Thanks so much--I'll surely be back here. So glad I stumbled on this site. :) Old Brown's Daughter |
Subject: Chords Add: HARE OF KILGRAIN From: GUEST,MudWeasel Date: 17 Oct 01 - 12:01 PM Did some research this morning. (Translation: I noodled around on the guitar until it sounded right) Not too suprisingly it is a 3-chord song. Since I was nice (read: foolish) and lent the CD to my fiddler last week, I'm going strictly from memory, and I know there's more complicated stuff that they throw in, but the skeleton of the song is like so:
HARE OF KILGRAIN -MudWeasel |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,Old Brown's Daughter Date: 17 Oct 01 - 03:25 PM Thanks for the chords! It's a good place to get started at least. Not sure I'll have time this evening to try them against the record--life is pretty crazy these days, as usual. It's hard enough just to keep up on laundry and house cleaning (hence the reason most of my house is looking rather dusty these days...), let alone do things I enjoy other than sleeping on a semi-regular basis. Assuming my adoring fiancee doesn't spend this evening as he did last (read: playing Diablo II), I may have the time to transcribe the lyrics for you--maybe. Haven't spoken with Casey in a while--not since just before the new record came out (which I have yet to purchase...neither money nor time, at least not simultaneously since it came out in May). But once we set a date for the wedding I'll be getting back in touch with him, as I'd like to hire the trio for it. Hopefully we'll set a date soon--lots of variables in there, and we called it off once before (it was supposed to be Sept 16th of this year, but we postponed it when I lost my job in June). So we'll see. But I will relay your message when I do finally speak with him again. btw--you can email him yourself, if you'd like. I can't recall the url, but his email is posted on his website--just do a search for Casey Neill Trio and you'll find the site, and thereby his email. back to work with me... :) Old Brown's Daughter |
Subject: Lyr Add: HARE OF KILGRAIN (from Casey Neill Trio) From: GUEST,Old Brown's Daughter Date: 18 Oct 01 - 03:35 PM Okay, all, here they are, as they appear in the liner notes on "Skree" from the Casey Neill Trio! (I don't know how to post these to the database here--is there a link, or will they just pick it up from here?)
Enjoy! HARE OF KILGRAIN
Come, all you bold sportsman of honor and fame,
November fourteenth, upon that fatal day,
Right over the mountains and away past Kilgrain,
All over the mountains I made my wavering course, |
Subject: Lyr Add: HARE OF KILGRAIN (from Casey Neill Trio) From: GUEST,MudWeasel Date: 18 Oct 01 - 03:53 PM HARE OF KILGRAIN Come all you bold sportsman of honor & fame Who weekly appear on the braes of Kilgrain With your servants & horses & dogs at command And young Richard Hunter for to lead on the band O the praise of our huntsman I mean for to sing Their cries make the woods & the valleys to ring Like old mighty Nimrod that huntsman of fame Young Hunter goes on in pursuit of the game November 14th, upon that fatal day As down from my dwelling I happened to stray All alone past the side of yon whinny green hill Where oftimes in plenty I sported at will As I wandered unhurtful to gather my food The hounds were unbuckled as I understood Neither wheat, corn, nor barley did every I spoil For I always took green grass or the shamrock for soil Under a bush I did lurk for sometime While 20 around me & 6 did combine My innocent life without pity to take But quick as the lightning away I did make Right over the mountains & away past Kilgrain Well buckled by Ringwood & Slasher by name And down past Young's building & away past Cloyfinn That old beagle Draper my curse light on him Along by Drumadraw for the bog once again Thinking I there for some time might remain But Drummer & Borer around me did rush As I lay sore frightened up under a bush Of lady & fair maid I then took my leave While Hunter his hat by the stubble did wave For the sign of the trail he was led to obey It was you Richard Hunter led my life away All over the mountains I made my wavering course Right stoutly pursued by hounds, foot, & horse And the cries of young Hunter so loud did he cheer Each beagle & beagles to Ringwood gave ear Right over my old course like lightning I flew To keep a good distance from that bloody crew And the cries of young Hunter so loud did he cheer That bloodthirsty crew had my life in their care My race being run I was forced to give o'er My innocent body in pieces they tore You may find other pastimes & drink health galore On the braes of Kilgrain you will hunt me no more Recorded by Casey Neill Trio, on the album "Skree" |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,MudWeasel Date: 18 Oct 01 - 03:56 PM I don;t ahve Joeclone powers to add breaks to your poast, so I reposted it with breaks intact. Thanks for keying that in... Not sure how exactly you get the DT to "Harvest" a song but I've heard they like them cleaned up beforehand if possible. To reiterate, the chords for this are a pretty simple C/F/G thoughout. No choruses. No changes in the verses, CN trio does some cool mando/guitar riffs in between verses though. -MudWeasel |
Subject: ADD: The Hare of Kilgrain From: MMario Date: 18 Oct 01 - 04:08 PM HARE OF KILGRAIN Come all you bold sportsman of honor & fame who weekly appear on the braes of Kilgrain with your servants & horses & dogs at command & young Richard Hunter for to lead on the band o the praise of our huntsman I mean for to sing their cries make the woods & the valleys to ring like old mighty Nimrod that huntsman of fame young Hunter goes on in pursuit of the game November 14th, upon that fatal day as down from my dwelling I happened to stray all alone past the side of yon whinny green hill where ofttimes in plenty I sported at will as I wandered unhurtful to gather my food the hounds were unbuckled as I understood neither wheat, corn, nor barley did every I spoil for I always took green grass or the shamrock for soil under a bush I did lurk for sometime while 20 around me & 6 did combine my innocent life without pity to take but quick as the lightning away I did make Right over the mountains & away past Kilgrain well buckled by Ringwood & Slasher by name & down past Young's building & away past Cloyfinn that old beagle Draper my curse light on him all along by Drumadraw for the bog once again thinking I there for some time might remain but Drummer & Borere around me did rush as I lay sore frightened up under a bush of lady & fair maid I then took my leave while Hunter his hat by the stubble did wave for the sign of the trail he was led to obey it was you Richard Hunter led my life away All over the mountains I made my wavering course right stoutly pursued by hounds, foot, & horse & the cries of young Hunter so loud did he cheer each beagle & beagles to Ringwood gave ear right over my old course like lightning I flew to keep a good distance from that bloody crew & the cries of young Hunter so loud did he cheer that bloodthirsty crew had my life in their care my race being run I was forced to give o'er my innocent body in pieces they tore you may find other pastimes & drink health galore on the braes of Kilgrain you will hunt me no more |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: MMario Date: 18 Oct 01 - 04:14 PM woops! crossposted! - Joe will find this I'm sure, when he gets back from his travels. putting "ADD:" into the subject box with the title of the song helps him find them in searches. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 18 Oct 01 - 07:53 PM There are instructions in the FAQ thread on the main Forum page for formatting song lyrics for posting here, together with more info about how songs are harvested, how to use the search engines, and so on. Although chord suggestions are useful, what we really need for a singable piece is the tune; can anybody oblige? Did Casey Neill say where he got the song? |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,Old Brown's Daughter Date: 25 Oct 01 - 03:17 PM All he says in the liner notes is that it is from Northern Ireland--another reason I like it. Sounds like I'll be emailing him soon... if only to ask where he got the song. If I had midi capabilities, coupled with the knowledge to use them, I'd be happy to plink out a melody--but I have neither, sorry... Btw, thanks for cleaning up my entry--no clue why it didn't keep the breaks, I put them in... oh well. Thanks again, :) Old Brown's Daughter |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: MMario Date: 25 Oct 01 - 03:27 PM Can you keyboard? if so - the *free* download version of Anvil Studio allows you to input midi files using a mouse and their graphic keyboard. no midi capability required - it is all simulated. sorry - subtle I ain't But I *have* managed to discover most of the ways one can transmit music in a form I can work with!
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,Old Brown's Daughter Date: 25 Oct 01 - 06:30 PM Well, I didn't take 10 years of piano lessons just to play chop sticks. Can you give me the URL for this Anvil Studio? My fiancee has this ultra-cool Soundblaster Live soundcard on his computer, and I think it actually has an input where you could actually record from a synthesizer, guitar, whatever you can plug into it. But mostsly he just uses the card for getting more realistic ka-booms when he's playing his shoot-em-up games on the computer, so I'm not sure he's done any exploring with the input thingie. And I surely don't know how it works--plus he'd get mad at me if I went messing around with it without his help (though I'd likely just get out the book and figure it out--he doesn't like reading manuals, and seems to frown on my doing it as well, at least when it comes to messing with his computer). Anyway, this Anvil thing might be a way around all that... :) Old Brown's Daughter |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: MMario Date: 25 Oct 01 - 06:53 PM click for anvil studio YOu might also be interested in noteworthy composer |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: MMario Date: 24 Apr 03 - 12:12 PM tune? tune? |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,Ballyholme Date: 24 Apr 03 - 02:28 PM I believe The Hare of Kilgrain can be found in the Sam Henry Collection, though, if memory serves me right, it has a chorus: "Fol de dairy hi ho, fol de dairy hi ho, etc." |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 25 Apr 03 - 09:58 PM As you say; and thanks for the reminder. I didn't have a copy of that book when this thread originally appeared, but will add the tune now as time allows. The refrain appears not to have been included when the song was published in The Northern Constitution, on the grounds that "the drinking chorus... would not have been written by a hare". |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: MMario Date: 25 Apr 03 - 10:03 PM sounds logical to me... |
Subject: Tune Add: HARE OF KILGRAIN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 26 Apr 03 - 11:41 AM The text in Sam Henry's Songs of the People (University of Georgia Press, 1990, p.31) is a collation from three unidentified sources; one presumably would be William Sloan of Dundooan (formerly Bushmills) who provided the tune. Henry's notes attribute authorship of the song to James Sloan of Topland, Ballyrock, c.1770, and further comment: "An 18th-century hunting song supposed to have been written by the hare... The song must have been written about 1770. Its author['s]... great grandchildren are still in the district. The version given above is based on three renderings, and is, I believe, complete. It excludes later additions such as the drinking chorus, which would not have been written by a hare. Young's buildings referred to are now the homestead of Mr Samuel James Atchison, of Kilgrain." The chorus is sung to the same tune as the verses. It appears that all the texts above derive from Sam Henry's, with the usual small alterations, but without specifics one can't be sure. X:1 T:The Hare of Kilgrain S:William Sloan, Dondooan (formerly Bushmills) 1924. C:Attributed to James Sloan, Topland, Ballyrock, c.1770. B:Huntington, Herrmann, Moulden: Sam Henry's Songs of the People, 1990. N:Chorus to same tune as verses. N:H12. Roud 2883 L:1/8 Q:1/4=100 M:3/4 K:G GE|D2 E2 G2|G4 AB|c2 c2 G2|A4 D2| w:Come_ all you bold sports-men of hon-our and fame, That B2 c2 d2|e2 d2 B2|cA G2 F2|G4 GE| w:week-ly ap-pear on the braes_ of Kil-grain With your D2 E2 G2|G4 AB|c2 c2 G2|A4 D2| w:ser-vants and hor-ses and dogs at com-mand, And B2 c2 d2|e2 d2 B2|cA G2 F2|G4|] w:young Rich-ard Hun-ter to lead_ on their band. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: MMario Date: 28 Apr 03 - 08:05 AM Thanks Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,tinyted Date: 06 Dec 06 - 11:35 AM Does anyone have the chords to "Old Brown's Daughter"? tt |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST,Graeme Tearle Date: 01 Sep 14 - 05:56 PM Back to the Steeleye Span version if anyone is interested, here are the chords for that. C G D One fine winter's morning my horn I did blow C D G To the green fields of Keady for hours we did go C G C G We gathered our dogs and we circled them round D C G D For none loves the sport better than the boys in the dell They don't actually do it in Key of G, but my guitar work is not up to playing in weird keys. Besides, it fits my voice there. Terry definitely sings "dell" in verse 1, and I hear "For hear the long horn that Joe Turner does play". I'm a Kiwi so Terry's accent doesn't throw me as much as it seems to throw you guys. Regards. |
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Hare of Kilgrain From: GUEST Date: 01 Sep 14 - 06:10 PM Bloody hell, that's nowhere near where I placed those chords. You can't edit these posts, can you? I'll copy and paste it from a Word Document, see if that's any better. The Hills of Greenmore C G D One fine winter's morn my horn I did blow C D G To the green fields of Keady for hours we did go C G C G We gathered our dogs and we circled around D G D For none loves the sport better than the boys in the dell. And when we arrived they were all standing there We set off for the fields, boys, in search of a hare We didn't get far till someone gave the cheer Over high hills and valleys the sweet puss did steer As we flew o'er the hills, 'twas a beautiful sight There was dogs black and yellow, there was dogs black and white As she took the black bank for to try them once more Oh, it was her last look o'er the hills of Greenmore. In a field of wheat stubble this pussy did lie And Rory and Charmer they did pass her by And there where we stood at the top of the brae We heard the last words that this sweet puss did say: "No more o'er the green fields of Keady I'll roam Nor trip through the fields, boys, in sport and in fun For hear the long horn that Joe Turner does play I'll go home to my den by the clear light of day." You may blame ol' MacMahon for killing the hare For he's at his ol' capers this many's a year On Saturday and Sunday he never gives o'er With a pack of strange dogs round the hills of Greenmore. |
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