Subject: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: chet w. Date: 12 Feb 98 - 06:28 PM I once had a album by a stringband whose name I can't remember,(I may still have it, if only I could remember their name). I believe they had a hammered dulcimer (this was back in the 70's before they were widely known) and a couple of fiddles. They did an a capella spiritual (not the one in the Database) the chorus of which went: "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, is fallen Babylon is fallen to rise no more" It was done with real primitive harmonies, almost like a shape-note song. If anyone knows the song or the name of the band, I'd sure appreciate finding it. Thanks, Chet W. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Bruce O. Date: 12 Feb 98 - 06:59 PM "Babylon is fallen" is by Henry Clay Work, but the 'to ris again no more' isn't part of the original words. It should be 'And we's agwine to occupy de land.' Song and tune start on p. 32 of 'Henry Clay Work: Songs', Da Capo Press (reprint), 1974 |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Bruce O. Date: 12 Feb 98 - 07:06 PM Sorry, I see the one I have is the first one in the DT. Too many songs with the same title. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Feb 98 - 07:12 PM Chet, I'm thinking the song you're talking about was recorded by Marley's Ghost, but I can't find it right now. I don't think it's related to the Henry Clay Work song. If you don't get an answer, bug me. It's a great song - wonderful for harmonizing. Well, I looked, and it's not Marley's Ghost. John McCutcheon has a song called "Babylon Is Fallen" on his "Step By Step" album, but I don't have that album. I'll bet that album is where I heard it, though. Anybody who can confirm that?-Joe Offer- |
Subject: Lyr Add: BABYLON IS FALLEN (W. E. Chute) From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Feb 98 - 08:27 PM Is this the song, Chet? BABYLON IS FALLEN 117 Tune: W. E. Chute, 1878 Meter: Particular Meter: 8,7,8,7,8,7 Hail the day so long expected, Hail the year of full release. Zion's walls are now erected, And her watchmen publish peace. Through our Shiloh's wide dominion, Hear the trumpet loudly roar, Babylon is fallen to rise no more. All her merchants stand with wonder, What is this that comes to pass: Murm'ring like the distant thunder, Crying, "Oh alas, alas." Swell the sound, ye kings and nobles, Priest and people, rich and poor; Babylon is fallen to rise no more. Blow the trumpet in Mount Zion, Christ shall come a second time; Ruling with a rod of iron All who now as foes combine. Babel's garments we've rejected, And our fellowship is o'er, Babylon is fallen to rise no more. I found it here. The site has complete lyrics to "Sacred Harp," but no tunes. Here is an excellent WAV recording of the song. I think it's the song you want, Chet, but not the exact recording. The McCutcheon recording may be the one you're thinking of. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Bill D Date: 12 Feb 98 - 08:39 PM the Sacred Harpies around here have been doing this ever since I can remember...I thought everyone knew it...don't know whether it is 'standard' but they also do a 'refrain' of the last line with a 'prepratory call' by the leader to begin the refrain...thus...
All who now as foes combine. Hope that is clear enough...it is obvious when you hear it once... |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Ricky Rackin Date: 12 Feb 98 - 10:56 PM Wasn't it the DC/W.VA band Hickory Wind? Ricky |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Charlie Baum Date: 12 Feb 98 - 11:19 PM Babylon Is Fallen may have been in an early edition of the Original Sacred Harp, but was removed, and only reinstituted in the latest (1991) edition of the book, p. 117, where the tune, or at least arrangement, is attributed to W.E. Chute, 1878. But a shape note harmony version of it has been in The Christian Harmony for years, which is where I first encountered the shape note harmonization of it in print. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Feb 98 - 01:28 AM Charlie - are the tunes (MIDIs, or whatever) to these shape note hymns available online anywhere? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: chet w Date: 13 Feb 98 - 07:38 PM Thanks, all. Yes, it was indeed on an album from 1973 by Hickory Wind called "At the Wednesday Night Waltz", probably my first album of old time music by a contemporary group. Thanks also for the Sacred Harp link. It's been so long since I looked through all my records, I've found some amazing things. As always, Chet W. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Sep 98 - 04:11 PM Still looking for a tune to this song. Anyone? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Nathan Sarvis (nsarvis@iglobal.net) Date: 22 Sep 98 - 05:47 PM As Charlie mentioned, it is in the 1991 Sacred Harp, as well as the Cooper Revision of the Sacred Harp. If you'd like me to make you a copy and send it by snail mail, send me your address. Nathan |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: frodsham@e-z.net Date: 23 Sep 98 - 01:10 PM Home Service does a very dramatic version of Babylon on the Alright Jack recording. Lance |
Subject: Tune Add: BABYLON IS FALLEN (W. E. Chute) From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Oct 98 - 05:35 PM Nathan Sarvis mailed me the tune. Thanks a lot, Nathan. -Joe Offer- ABC format: X:1 Click to playTo play or display ABC tunes, try concertina.net
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Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Animaterra Date: 18 Jul 99 - 12:11 PM I've been looking at this song for a possible inclusion im my group's next concert, but I'm not quite sure what it's about. I think it's about the triumph of good/God over evil, from the Christian perspective. I want to do an arrangement of powerful songs of faith from several religions but I also want to not include any songs that are directly agin any other group. So I guess what I'm asking is, does this contain any hidden meanings that could undermine the whole point I'm trying to make? Thanks! Allison |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Jeri Date: 18 Jul 99 - 12:52 PM I think it's about Good winning over Evil. I wonder what exactly is seen as "Evil," and about the line "And our fellowship is o'er." (Not trying to provoke argument, just curious about opinions.) |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Jul 99 - 05:46 AM I'd gather it's based on the 18th chapter of the Book of Revelation, especially the passage that begins with verse 21. Babylon was looked upon as the ultimate oppressor, since it destroyed Jerusalem in 597 BC, and kept the Jews captive for almost 60 years. The "day so long expected" is probably the "Day of the Lord," "Armageddon," "Judgment Day," or whatever you want to call it - "the very last day." Your standard eschatological theme, Alison. You've got the idea about right. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Animaterra Date: 19 Jul 99 - 09:02 AM So it sounds like a good song for the end of 1999 looking with hope toward the future. Many thanks, Joe and Jeri! Allison |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Nogs Date: 19 Jul 99 - 02:23 PM A version is also done by John Roberts and Tony Barrand. I'm not sure of the album: "Dark Ships in the Forest" maybe? |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Jul 99 - 03:50 PM Now you've got me wondering, Nogs. I've got "Dark Ships," and it isn't on that CD. What recordings of this great song are available? I'm sure I must have learned it from a recording, but now I can't find it. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Jeri Date: 19 Jul 99 - 05:08 PM Spencer the Rover (Is Alive and Living in Ithaca) I have it on vinyl - I don't think it ever came out on CD. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Jane Bird Date: 21 Jul 99 - 08:32 AM On a slight tangent: I came across a 19th century parody of "Babylon Is Fallen" the other day. I haven't got a date for it yet, but my guess is that's it's roughly 1840-70s. It's on a political theme, written after an parliamentary election in Bradford (Yorkshire, UK). The Tory candidate (who's name is Hardy) has failed to be elected, in favour of the liberal candidate. Instead of Babylon, it's "Hardy's fallen, to rise no more". Does anyone know about when the original version was written or printed? (Bruce O said it was Henry Clay Work, the first version of the song in DT.) And does anyone know when the version with the line "...to rise no more" (which isn't in Clay Work's) was published? Cheers,
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Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Jeri Date: 21 Jul 99 - 10:11 AM Getting ready for the "millennium bug":
Hail the day so long expected, (NOI, TIC, etc.)
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Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Nathan Date: 22 Jul 99 - 09:26 AM Great job, Jeri! "Babylon" is the song I always look forward to at Sacred Harp Singings. Now I'll always think of your parody. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 22 Jul 99 - 10:02 AM Jeri, that's great! I plan to use that, too (tho not in concert, I expect!) |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: dick greenhaus Date: 22 Jul 99 - 11:07 AM H.C. Work's "Babylon" is an entirely different song. Jane- could you post the parody? sounds interesting, For the experimental, If you want to give real solemn import to Clemintine, you can sing it to Babylon is Fallen. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Jul 99 - 03:41 PM Click here for the Henry Clay Work song and here for the Sacred Harp song. Click here to get to a terrific site with songs by 19th century songwriters, including Henry Clay Work. My personal opinion is that we should be free to have such a site for the great songwriters of the first half of the 20th century, but copyrights prohibit that. I wish there were a solution for that. Click here to get to a discussion on how to deal with copyrights in the study of music - that topic strays a bit to much from the discussion of "Babylon is Fallen." -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Ferrara Date: 22 Jul 99 - 06:12 PM Many years ago, some yurts were built for the Folk Festival on the Mall, produced by the Smithsonian in DC. Not the felt type of yurts, but wooden ones with dirt-and-grass roofs. After the festival, the yurts were moved to Glen Echo Park and now house some of their artisans-in-residence. Some of the roofs are real works of art by now, with flowering mosses etc. The following was co-written by Don Nichols (the concertina-repair wizard) and Tom McHenry, to the tune of the Chrisian Harmony/Sacred Harp version:
Hail the yurt so long neglected
Weeds upon the roof are sprouting |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: GeorgeH Date: 23 Jul 99 - 07:54 AM Some way back someone asked about recordings of this song . . Home Service (the pinacle of Folk/Rock plus brass section) have recorded it on their "Alright Jack" album (available on CD from Fledg'ling records, FLED 3015, see: http://www.thebeesknees.com This is an outstanding recording, which includes a rare and wonderful recording of Grainger's "A Lincolnshire Posey" - created from what is believed to be the only existing score of Grainger's original version of this work (for military band!), with the original words restored to two of the songs. I thought Home Service had also recorded this on "The Mysteries", the CD version of which is available from the same place (FLED 3014) - but it doesn't appear in the track listing (guess I'll have to play the recording through when I get home!). However it's well worth a plug and should be of interest to the person looking for powerful religious music which doesn't attack anyone else! "The Mysteries" is an extract from the music used for the re-working by Tony Harrison of the medieaval mystery plays, for London's National Theatre. This was presented as a set of three plays totalling round about 6 hours (and occasionally all performed in one day), played in promenade, and possibly the greatest achievement of the National Theatre to date (it was also filmed for TV broadcast). The music was central to the production, and is a mixture of traditional, modern and specially-composed material. Those who have not seen the production say that the recording stands up well by itself . . I just find it brings back increadibly poingnant memories! Richard Thompson fans may wish to note it includes at least one Thompson song, and performances by Linda Thompson (AND she acts and dances on the video . . ). G. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Jane Bird Date: 23 Jul 99 - 08:54 AM Thanks for the leads. Dick, I'll try and post the "Hardy is Fallen" version asap. However, that might be a few weeks. I'm off to Sidmouth Folk Festival soon, so it might be after that. Cheers, |
Subject: Lyr Add: MICROSOFT IS FALLEN (tune: Babylon ...) From: Jeri Date: 04 Aug 99 - 01:18 PM I think it's finished. ------------------------- MICROSOFT IS FALLEN (Tune: Babylon is Fallen) Expiration Date: 00-01-02 Hail the day so long expected, Hail the day computers crash, My PC in ruins lying, Just a pile of smoke and ash. Sound the cry on 20/20, Gates's empire is now o'er, Microsoft is fallen, has fallen, has fallen, Microsoft is fallen to rise no more. All the merchants stand confus-ed, At this monumental crash, Credit cards are all refus-ed, We can only take your cash, Grab a pencil and some paper? Do we remember what they're for? Microsoft is fallen, has fallen, has fallen, Microsoft is fallen to rise no more. Hear the news from Silicon Valley, Ol' Steve Jobs is coming back, My friends all look at me with pity, Say I should have bought a Mac. Make mine green and purple tie-dyed, I'll turn Apple to the core! Microsoft is fallen, has fallen, has fallen, Microsoft is fallen to rise no more. |
Subject: Lyr Add: HARDY'S FALLEN (parody BABYLON'S FALLEN) From: Jane Bird Date: 18 Aug 99 - 07:38 AM As promised, here's the mid 19th century parody of "Babylon is Fallen". This is pretty much how it's set out on the broadside. Cheers, AIR, Hail the day so long expected, Hark, and hear the people crying, Liberty is now triumphant, John Dale, Printer, 4, Ivegate, Bradford. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: harpgirl Date: 18 Aug 99 - 08:04 AM ...clever song Jeri!!! |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Jeri Date: 18 Aug 99 - 08:37 AM Thanks, harpgirl - it may turn out to be the only song I've ever finished. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Ingemar Date: 22 Aug 99 - 11:03 AM Just a sideline: The Golden Gate Quartet had a TTBB arrangement of a very different version of "Babylon's falling" in a song book in the early sixties, published by the Leeds Music Corporation. The only lyrics, except the "Babylon's.. rise no more" is the phrase " pure city", then "Babylon's.." again... and again... |
Subject: anyone found sheet music for this? From: GUEST,tom@thegoodbook.co.uk Date: 29 Mar 04 - 08:29 AM anyone found sheet music for this? I'd love to teach my church this, its such a wicked song, with a great tune, very few these days are like it and can so ably handle scripture and the symbology in it. many thanks |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Peter T. Date: 29 Mar 04 - 10:34 AM It appears (or at least the chords) in Rise Up Singing. Oak, Ash and Thorn do a version of this on one of their albums. yours, Peter T. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Burke Date: 29 Mar 04 - 11:00 AM I have it in the 1991 Sacred Harp. I'll try to remember to bring the book to work & scan it for you. I suggest you get the whole book. Try to in touch with UK Shape-Note Singing. You can hear it sung Here Launch the mp3 directly Here e-mail sent |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Midchuck Date: 29 Mar 04 - 10:45 PM Has Pete Peterson posted the lyrics to Slobberchops Is Hungry anywhere? Anyone who knows this song and owns a (four-legged) Newfie tends to go into convulsions... Peter |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Stephen R. Date: 29 Mar 04 - 10:59 PM Surely someone can identify the documentary LP made at a shape-note singing convention in, I think, Georgia (the one in the Confederacy, not the one in the Caucasus) and released in the 1960s. This has a fine band of "Babylon is Fallen," but I don't have the reference. It ought to be reissued as a CD if it has not already been done. A great tune it is, and there is a lot of fine stuff on this. Stephen |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Burke Date: 30 Mar 04 - 11:03 AM I should have edited more carefully. deleted message with errors - jcBeginning in the early 1900's there were 3 different editions of the Sacred Harp in use: they were popularly called the James ed.; the Cooper ed. and the White Book (for J.L. White). The James ed. was re-edited in the 1930's & became the Denson edition. Again re-edited & bound in maroon, it's now just called the 1991 ed. or the Red Book. This is the first edition that non-southerners are usually exposed to. The Cooper ed. is also widely used & is often called the Blue Book. Without the support of a group to keep the White Book in print, by the 1960's there were not a lot of groups still singing from it. There are now only a handful of singings devoted to singing from the White Book. Babylon is Fallen is relatively late in composition (1878) and before 1991 had only been added to the White Book. It got somewhat wider distribution in photo-copies, but I think this is post 1970. (It might also be in the Christian Harmony, but I'm not sure.) Babylon is Fallen was added to the Red Book in 1991. I think the early 90's ed. of the Cooper Book also added it, but I'd have to check. A field recording of Babylon is Fallen from the 1960's would almost have to be from a White Book singing. I've never heard of one, but would love to have it. There is no record of one in the extremely comprehensive Recordings Index. If you have details about it I'd like to know more about it. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 04 - 04:58 PM Strawhead do a version of Babylon is Fallen witha graet tune, although it may not be the original. |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Barbara Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:41 PM Am I the only person who thinks of "Canticle for Leibowitz" By Walter Miller, I think that's right, when I hear this song? In this post nuclear war SF book, the song was used as a code to indicate that mankind had once again managed to set off yet another nuclear disaster. I always thought that Miller meant the hymn predicted the end of the world. blessings, Barbara |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: GUEST,Anne Croucher Date: 30 Mar 04 - 07:11 PM I have a six verse version trawled from the Bodleian Library. there are the three verses in the Digitrad, with minor variations in two of them, plus three more. My favourite lines in the additions -'See the city all on fire Clap your hands and fan the flames' not your average milk and water stuff. The chorus used to be a favourite on the 'battlefield' of the roundhead association in the 70's - was it an anachronismfor the Civil war? Anne |
Subject: Lyr Add: BABYLON IS FALLEN (Richard McNemar) From: Burke Date: 30 Mar 04 - 08:04 PM Anne, your words may be different from those below. If so, could you post them? The Bodleian versions I found only had 5 verses each. My second hand information on this is that there is an article: G. W. Williams, "Babylon is Fallen: The Story of a North American Hymn" _The Hymn_ Volume 44, April 1993, pp 31-35. In it is the information that "The original six-stanza text was by Richard McNemar and first appeared in the Shaker hymnal _Millennial Praises, Containing a Collection of Gospel Hymns ...Adapted to the Day of Christ's Second Appearing_ (Hancock, Mass.), 1813." Here are the words 1.Hail the day so long expected! Hail the year of full release! Zion's walls are now erected, And her watchmen publish peace: From the distant coasts of Shinar, The shrill trumpet loudly roars Refrain: Babylon is fallen! is fallen! is fallen! Babylon is fallen to rise no more. 2. Hark, and hear her people crying, "See the city disappear! Trade and traffic all are dying! Lo, we sink and perish here!" Sailors who have bought her traffic, Crying from her distant shore, Refrain 3. All her merchants cry with wonder, "What is this that's come to pass?" Murm'ring like the distant thunder Crying out, Alas! Alas! Swell the sound, ye kings and nobles! Priests and people, rich and poor! Refrain 4. Lo, the captives are returning! Up to Zion see them fly! While the smoke of Babel's burning Rolls across the darken'd sky! Days of mourning now are ended, Years of bondage now are o'er, Refrain 5. Zion's children raise your voices, And the joyful news proclaim! How the heavenly host rejoices! Shout and echo back the same! See the ancients of the city, Terrify'd at the uproar! Refrain 6. Tune your harps, ye heavenly choir! Shout, ye foll'wers of the Lamb! See the city all on fire! Clap your hands and blow the flame! Now's the day of compensation On the scarlet colour'd whore; Refrain |
Subject: RE: REQ: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Alio Date: 31 Mar 04 - 04:57 AM The song is on a Strawhead CD produced at Whitby Folk Week last year with a cast of thousands! As far as I know the words are the original ones as they also researched it. I've got the CD in the car - I think it's called Tyrants of England. Ali |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: dick greenhaus Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:20 AM It's a wonderful song. The tune, incidentally, provides what must be the most stirring air available for "Clementine." |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Michael Date: 31 Mar 04 - 12:40 PM Swan Arcade did a good version too on 'Nothing Blue',my copy is on casette recorded in May 1988. Mike |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: Franz S. Date: 31 Mar 04 - 12:52 PM A group called Castlebay (Portland, Maine) recorded "Babylon is Falling" on a tape they put out in 1987. Considering there were only three in the group then they did a rousing version. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Babylon is Fallen (to Rise no More) From: GUEST,Pete Peterson Date: 31 Mar 04 - 08:11 PM Hi Barbara-- I got out my copy of Canticle for Leibowitz today & re-read it. (Good excuse, THANKS!) The reference didn't appear until the 3rd part, where LUCIFER is fallen (not Babylon!) was used as a phrase beining that atomic bombs were agin being used in war. Not sure the theology of that one-- I take it to mean "Satan has fallen from Heaven to the earth, and is working his mischief." There is of course the secondary meaning of Lucifer = bringer of light, which is something an atomic explosion certainly does. Midchuck-- if there is enough interest I will post Slobberchops is Hungry, which we set to guess what tune, using Sacred Harp harmonies. See you at NEFFA! (but not till Saturday afternoon) |
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