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Subject: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Oct 01 - 09:51 AM A previous attempt to post the information to follow ran afoul of my incompetence and my tables fell apart. I have noted in a few instances that what I see when I proof a text in IE is not quite the same as what I see when it is posted. There has been considerable discussion about how to post "special" characters, which characters work, and which ones don't. All characters defined in the W3C Committee HTML 4.01 Specification were posted to mudcat in an html practice thread at, and following TESTS (In thread HTML test thread 2 - please ignore.) Results have been compiled in 8 tables that I will post immediately following. I've kept the tables small enough that anyone wishing to should be able to fit each one on a print page. Note that what prints may be different than what displays. Tables to follow. John
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Subject: RE: BS: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Oct 01 - 09:51 AM TABLE 1: These HTML 4 Latin 1 Characters Display and Print as expected
(1) The soft hyphen ­ does not display anything unless the line is wrapped. TABLE 2: These HTML 4 Latin 1 Characters Display and Print as expected
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Subject: RE: BS: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Oct 01 - 09:53 AM TABLE 3: These HTML 4 Latin 1 Characters Display and Print as expected
TABLE 4: THESE These HTML 4 Symbol Characters Display and Print as expected
TABLE 5: These HTML 4 Symbol Characters Display and Print as expected
(2) These characters display in IE as expected, but will not print directly from IE (with my setup). If copied from IE and pasted into Word, they print correctly from Word. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Oct 01 - 09:54 AM TABLE 6: These HTML 4 Special Characters Display and Print as expected
(3) Proposed but not yet ISO standard TABLE 7: These HTML 4 Symbol Characters FAILED TO DISPLAY
TABLE 8: The Following HTML 4 Special Characters are UNICODE Markers They are nonfunctional in html as implemented on MUDCAT. These Characters SHOULD NOT BE USED HERE.
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Subject: RE: BS: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Oct 01 - 10:10 AM Summary of information in the tables: WHAT YOU CAN TYPE: All Latin1 characters display and print as expected. This group includes all normal "English - US" keyboard characters. (The soft hyphen does not show a result if typed alone, but this is the intended behavior.) Three normal keyboard characters have special meanings in html, and should always be coded. These three are: & for which you can type & to display the character. < for which you type < to display the character. > for which you type > to display the character. A fourth normal keyboard character, ", can have special meaning. It may normally be simply typed in text, but you may prefer to code it in text as " to avoid those rare instances when it "misbehaves." John |
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Subject: RE: BS: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 29 Oct 01 - 10:34 AM Thanks John, now I won't have to go searching every time I want to use one of these. I also found that in using two different computers (one has more fonts and special characters) I see things differently on them. One cannot display β, it just prints a little square. Has anyone seen a list of the most common fonts that people are likely to have on their computers? It seems that even though there are hundreds out there, I always seem to choose one that not everyone has. |
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Subject: RE: BS: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Oct 01 - 10:51 AM Mary What you see on your computer seems to depend on what default font is set on your viewer. Most people with Windows will have pretty much the same setup unless they have gone in and changed something. If you copy from the viewer and paste into a Word document, sometimes Word can show you what a "mystery" character is, since it seems to have a better setup for substituting fonts. One of my thoughts when I put the stuff up above is that maybe people can post what they see and what they don't, so we can have an idea which notes to play to make better music - for all of us. As to fonts, something in the Times/TimesRoman etc is usually safe. Most fonts in this group have about the same characters. If you don't like serifs, try an Arial/Helvetica. Those are pretty universal, so usually they'll have nearly all the normal characters. When you go to some of the fancy fonts, you'll sometimes find some missing. In Windows, you can look at the Character Map (Key Caps in Mac, I think). It will show you all of the normal characters contained in a font. If you see a lot of those little blank rectangles in a font on CharMap, I'd pick a different font for general use. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX From: Bill D Date: 29 Oct 01 - 11:24 AM here is a post from the alt.binaries.fonts newsgroup which lists "standard" fonts that most people have...plus the fonts used by common programs...it is LONG, but you can get an idea of what the defaulst are.. DO NOT DELETE THE FOLLOWING FONTS:
Arial (TrueType) Any font which displays the red A should be left on the system. Also leave alone any font that begins with the letters MS...
Micrografx Draw 6 needs Swiss921 BT
PrintShop uses Marlett
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**************** Further selective deleting by some dedicated individual will no doubt narrow down the culprit(s)! By the way one or more of the above is also needed by Corel Print Shop Magic, as it was also affected. Mary Haggie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also: Visit the alt.binaries.font FAQ at http://www.jgoffin.freeserve.co.uk/abf/faq.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q195/7/08.asp This article lists the default fonts included with Windows 98. All files should be dated 5-11-98 and have a time stamp of 8:01p. File name Font name Size: 8514fix.fon Fixedsys for the IBM 8514 10,992 8514oem.fon Terminal Font for the IBM 8514 12,288 8514sys.fon System 9,600 Arial.ttf Arial 72,476 Arialbd.ttf Arial Bold 74,000 Arialbi.ttf Arial Bold Italic 80,548 Ariali.ttf Arial Italic 69,756 Ariblk.ttf Arial Black 103,992 Bkant.ttf Book Antiqua 65,976 Calist.ttf Calisto MT 70,828 Coprgtb.ttf Copperplate Gothic Bold 56,096 Coprgtl.ttf Copperplate Gothic Light 57,224 Cour.ttf Courier New 105,308 Courbd.ttf Courier New Bold 90,704 Courbi.ttf Courier New Bold Italic 90,988 Coure.fon Courier 10,12,15 23,424 Courf.fon Courier 10,12,15 31,744 Couri.ttf Courier New Italic 88,504 Dosapp.fon MS-DOS CP 437 44,320 Gothic.ttf Century Gothic 62,364 Gothicb.ttf Century Gothic Bold 55,128 Gothicbi.ttf Century Gothic Bold Italic 57,212 Gothici.ttf Century Gothic Italic 62,860 Impact.ttf Impact 126,056 Lhandw.ttf Lucida Handwriting Italic 56,560 Lsansi.ttf Lucida Sans Italic 59,636 Lsansuni.ttf Lucida Sans Unicode 304,932 Lucon.ttf Lucida Console 107,820 Marlett.ttf Marlett 17,412 Matisse_.ttf Matisse ITC 55,240 Modern.fon Modern 7,968 Nwgthc.ttf News Gothic MT 66,052 Nwgthcb.ttf News Gothic MT Bold 66,512 Nwgthci.ttf News Gothic MT Italic 61,280 Ocraext.ttf OCR A Extended 47,996 Serife.fon MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 57,952 Seriff.fon MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 81,744 Smalle.fon Small Fonts 24,352 Smallf.fon Small Fonts 19,632 Sserife.fon MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 64,656 Sseriff.fon MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 89,856 Symbol.ttf Symbol 66,028 Symbole.fon Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24 56,352 Symbolf.fon Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24 80,928 Tempsitc.ttf Tempus Sans ITC 69,020 Times.ttf Times New Roman 92,508 Timesbd.ttf Times New Roman Bold 90,332 Timesbi.ttf Times New Roman Bold Italic 83,696 Timesi.ttf Times New Roman Italic 86,520 Verdana.ttf Verdana 109,724 Verdanab.ttf Verdana Bold 108,256 Verdanai.ttf Verdana Italic 123,824 Verdanaz.ttf Verdana Bold Italic 124,712 Vgafix.fon Fixedsys 5,376 Vgaoem.fon Terminal 5,168 Webdings.ttf Webdings 113,536 Westm.ttf Westminster 50,312 Wingding.ttf Wingdings 81,328 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Subject: RE: BS: HTML CHARACTERS: REDACT/REDUX From: Snuffy Date: 29 Oct 01 - 07:40 PM I can see almost everything - codes 977 to 8201 display the unrecognised square symbol, and 8206/7 are blank. I'm using IE 5.5 and an English (not US) keyboard & character set. Wassail! V |