HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: InOBU
Date: 15 Nov 01 - 09:40 PM

Dear B.D.Z Esq:
Having placed several appologies and explanations re: the mistruck key (J and N are both right index finger keys...) apparently you actually spend time working and sleeping, unlike many of us who drop in every once and awhile to yank each others musical and political chains... SO, just in case you missed the PM and the further posts on the post about Dubblya's Star Chamber....... CHECK BOTH! so I can stop banging my head against the wall.... Cheers Larry

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: DougR
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:27 AM

Larry: will you relax? If Bennett is so obtuse that he doesn't recognize a heartfelt apology, forget it!

I think said poster is the first I have seen on the Mudcat that feels compelled to add Esq. to their name. That should tell you something.

DougR

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 02:40 AM

He'll be back. He really is a lawyer in NJ, and I suspect he signed Esq. to lend some credence to his posting in dealing with specifics of the law of the land. I say he will be back because he is evidently a fan of Paul Robeson, so he's probably a Mudcat natural.:-)

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:10 AM

Doug, I noticed the same thing, and just now commented on it on the other thread. Frankly, I also reject the suggestion that adding "Esq." to one's name lends credence to one's post; we're all just expressing opinions here, which should be evaluated on their merits.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:22 AM

In defense of Mr. Zurofsky...

He had every right to call attention to "Jew Jersey" didn't he? I was appalled when I read it too.

It should have occurred to people by now that many contributors here aren't daily visitors. Perhaps the "Jew Jersey" comment did make him angry enough to leave. Not knowing Larry, I don't blame him a bit for his reaction, which is every bit as justified under the circumstances as Larry's reaction.

Yes, I see that this is a misunderstanding. But let's be fair here people. Before it became clear that it was a misunderstanding, I'm sure those words hurt Bennet. I'm sure he has sensitivities about anti-semitism (as his post chastising Larry's remarks showed) for good reason.

Please people, don't start looking for reasons to attack Bennet again, just because he hasn't immediately come back and humbled himself before us with a public acceptance of the apology.

And Larry, you are looking more and more the fool by keeping this public apology thing going. It is none of our business if he ever accepts your apology, publicly or privately. People here have accepted it, so you should just move on.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:34 AM

Well, yes and no. One doesn't "humble" oneself by accepting an apology. Also, when one objects to a perceived insult publicly, as Bennet did, one should be prepared to acknowledge the misunderstanding and apology publicly as well.

I'm not "attacking" Bennet, and I don't think anyone else is either. But I think he was out of line.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:44 AM

He was out of line because he drew attention to what clearly could only be read as an anti-semitic remark?

No--if anyone is responsible for this misunderstanding, it is Larry, for not proofreading his post.

That remark, typo or not, was appalling to read. Absolutely appalling. Bennet had no choice under the cirumstance but to respond, and did so very graciously, IMO. Let us not forget that no one had mentioned it prior to him Whistle Stop. No one. And I think your demand that he publicly accept the apology is way out of line. Way, way out of line. And your demand that he do so is infuriating to me.

What right do you have to dictate to a Jewish person how they should or shouldn't handle an incident like this? How dare you?

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: InOBU
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:57 AM

Hi Guest... I don't mind looking a fool for a good reason. And, I also hope folks stop being sensitive to Bennet using his title, I think it is just to add a note of authority to his research not his presence. Cheers Larry

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: SharonA
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 09:32 AM

I agree that Mr. Zurofsky was not out of line when he reacted to what he perceived to be an insulting remark. Indeed, his response was graciously short and dignified (unlike some of the flaming insults I've seen traded back and forth in this Forum!). He'd be well within his rights to leave Mudcat in a huff, based on his perception, but I suspect that he will visit the Mudcat Forum again eventually, even if he does not re-open the thread on which Larry's typographical error was made (or this thread), and will see the Private Messages waiting for him. I'm sure he's a busy man, so it may take a while for him to return, but I'll betcha he'll be back.

Larry: You didn't take my advice not to lose any sleep over this, didja? *G* Let it go! Shit happens!

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Marymac90
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 09:56 AM

Just to muddy the waters, I'm gonna pick on GUEST here. Please identify yourself, GUEST, when you get involved in these potboilers. If you don't care to join, at least put some kinda handle next to GUEST. It's very unsettling to have these sort of tiffs with someone who's cloaked in total anonymity.

Marymac

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 10:00 AM

GUEST, I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't even notice the typo until Mr. Zurofsky pointed it out. I suspect that this may have been the case for others as well.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 10:10 AM

Guest, the proper response to your ridiculous post would be to ignore it, and you along with it. But for some reason I feel compelled to respond. I did not attempt to "dictate" to anyone -- Jewish or not -- how they should handle an incident like this. Nor did I "demand" anything from anyone. I expressed my opinion, which I have every right to do, and will continue to do. Was Mr. Bennet "within his rights" to leave in a huff (if that is in fact what he did), as Sharon suggested? Sure; he's pretty much within his rights to do whatever he wants with respect to this forum. I don't dispute his right to do this, just offer my opinion that it isn't the best way to handle this situation. If he comes back to this forum, he can read my opinion, along with all the other opinions expressed here, and decide for himself what he wants to do.

The original post "could only be read as an anti-semitic remark?" Well, I read it as a typo, so clearly it could be read more than one way. Need I remind you that, as has become obvious to all of us, my reading was the correct one?

If you go looking for things to take offense at, you will always be able to find something. We all can claim "victim" status if we so choose, with some justification; we all belong to one or more ethnic, religious or cultural groups that have been the subject of hostility and persecution by other groups. I thought Mr. Zurofsky's knee-jerk reaction to a typo was just that.

This is a silly little incident, which has already taken up too much of my time and energies. But Guest, you really should get a clue before you shoot your mouth off.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: GUEST,InObu's fan
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:14 PM

The objecting guest must be one of esquire's fellow jews. Have you not noticed that certain jews will take every opportunity to blow anything out of proportion and call it antisemitism?

Some parts of Jersey are jew. Some parts of Jersey are bigger.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: SharonA
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:26 PM

InOBU's fan: If you'd spent as many millenia trying to avoid being exterminated as Jews have, you'd be a little jumpy too.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: InOBU
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:35 PM

To the so called, InOBU fan:
It is obvious from your post that you have never heard my band, read my lyrics or sat a table with you. You may see in my appologies how serriously I take our brother Bennet's concerns. Please resign from my fan club until you hear my music and assimilate the sentiments.
Larry

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:37 PM

Ignore the silly and anonymous crapola Larry. You apologized for the typo. I doubt if the guy is even aware that you're twisting in the wind, and if he is, he's laughing even harder than I am right now.

Reminds me of the time when a friend and I were talking about an unfortunate neighbour, who through illness was forced to don a wig for several months. She couldn't get the hang of how to put it on and it often seemed to be sitting on top of her head like a white persian cat. At that very moment, she appeared from around the corner. We both smiled and said "hello"....except, I said "Hello WIGGY"!!!! She spun on her heel and ran inside her apartment. I stood there totally dumbfounded at what I'd said (believe me, it was the only time in my life that I truly believed that poltergeists might actually exist!)

I tried to apologize a dozen times, but she wouldn't allow it. Banged my OWN head against a wall quite a bit that week.

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Sourdough
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:41 PM

Here comes another opinion:

I think BZ's reaction was understandable and moderate. He did not make a big thing out of it, just stated, at the end of his post, that he found what turned out to have been a tpo, to be offensive.

I see no reason to doubt Larry's heartfelt concern that he may have caused someone pain through disrespect.

I agree that posts should be read on their merit, that having a credential does not give you a free pass to the truth. However, when I read a post about medicine, I wold like to know that the writer has some knowledge of the field. WHen I read a post about astronomy, it would be helpful to me to know something about the astronomical credentials of the author. Clearly something written about Afganistan by someone who has recently been there rather than buy someone who has read newspaper articles from unknown sources would be of more interet to me so why shouldn't a layer writing about law let people know that he is a lawyer. Adding "Esq" to your name is not a strange affectation, it is a convention among lawyers to do so. THey could precede their names with the honorific "Doctor" since the degree in jurospudence allows them that. However, the field has chosen to use "Esq."

It has been several hundred years snce anyone could claim to be enough of an authority in every field to be able to be a judge of all topics on merit alone (and even then, there were only a handful of people in the world who had that breadth of knowledge). For me, I found the post from Bennet Zurofsky to be clear and to the point. I would have suspected it to have been written by a lawyer but I was glad to have the impression confirmed.

Judging from the measured response of Bennet Zurofsky to what appeared to be a gratuitous slur, I would guess that his reactionw hen he receives Larry's numerous apologies will be to accept them and let the matter drop. WOuld that we were able to do so.

A few thoughts on a similar subject: (anyone setting out to read this, I ask you to read all of it before pouncing on your keyboard to reply)

What is it that feels good about discovering that you are a victim? One of the social changes brought about by the Civil Rights movement was of course the recognition that African Americans had been on the receiving end of institutionalized racism. Good hearted people who until it was pointed out vigourously by courageous individuals, had not been aware of this rallied to help emphasize the unfairnesses that had been incorporated into our society. Other groups then looked at their own place in society and saw that they, too, had been treated unfairly. One of my closest friends over the past four decades has become incensed over the way he and other Italo-Americans have been treated in the media and in popular culture. The Godfather and the Sopranos he sees as the foisting of sterotypes upon the popular culture and he certainly is not alone in that feeling. Native Americans began to speak up more loudly about their history of broken treaties and social degradation by the dominant society. The handicapped looked at their treatment by society and spoke out, the poor did the same, on and on.

Each of these groups has real and legitimate gripes and our society is struggling towards more openess and inclusiveness. Looked at in a timeline of generations, there has been real progress towards reducing some of these inequalities. People who continue to work actively towards social justice are providing a real service, they are shining a light on the path we would do well to follow. However, those who only cry "I, too, am a victim", reduce their own chances of making a difference, However, there is something that feels good about uttering such a cry but to be a victim and do nothing except to identify with others in your group is a waste of our own energies.

In no way do I mean to imply that Bennet Zurofsky is wrapping himself up in the garb of "victim". On the contrary, I think he made a measured response.

Sourdough

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: DougR
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:47 PM

Rick, you insensitive soul! "Wiggy?" I think thats pretty funny, actually. :>)

Carol, you're right. I didn't notice the typo until Esq. pointed it out to me.

Guest, when you get yourself a name, come on back and teach ua all how to behave. Most of us do not take instructions from "guests" well.

I agree this has become a tempest in a teapot. Anybody seen "Songcatcher"?

DougR

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:05 PM

Rick, I've got tears of laughter in my eyes from your story. The mind can be a very strange and sometimes perverse thing.

Larry, everybody here knows you and we've come to expect the occasional unintentional spelling gaff. I'm sure Bennett has realized the truth by now, and suspended his anti-defamation lawsuit against you. :>}

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:13 PM

Sourdough, I think you make a lot of sense. I also think you're right that Bennet's response was fairly moderate, but some of the subsequent discussion (my own included) makes it sound like he reacted more strongly and impulsively than he probably did. For the part I played in causing this issue to "mushroom," I apologize. Actually, as I mentioned after Bennet's initial post, I thought he added some real insight to our discussion, even if I did not agree with all that he wrote.

As a point of clarification, the convention concerning the appellation "Esquire" is for other people to add it to an attorney's name when addressing him or her (in writing) -- not for the lawyer to add it to his or her own name. Most lawyers know this, and refrain from adding "Esq." to their own names when signing something. However, this is such a minor infraction that we really needn't continue to worry about it.

As for why it feels good to consider yourself a victim, that's a damn good question. I think it's human nature to derive some satisfaction from identification as a victim -- it makes you a sympathetic character, and invests your opinions with more weight somehow. We all might be tempted to do this from time to time, but I think we should resist the temptation. Noting that you have some expertise in a given field (law, medicine, etc.) is one thing, but trying to give your opinions some sort of preferred status in the discussion by virtue of your "victimhood" is another. Again, I don't necessarily feel that Bennet did this, but it's something we've all probably seen from time to time, and it looked to me like this might have been part of the dynamic.

If I have spoken more harshly about Bennet than he deserved, I apologize (but only once). -- WS

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:39 PM

Well Larry, ya' fucked up.

You've offered multiple and sincere fuckin' apologies.

Fuck it.

The rest of us can fuck off.

If you want to continue to fuckin' torture yourself, buy a wig and fuckin' go see Rick.

Spaw (still caught up in the fuck-off thread....I'm fuckin' sorry)

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: InOBU
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:44 PM

Yup... I did see songcatcher. In spite of a few geral steriotypes and anacronisms... it was really nice, I wept throughout, not for the saddness in the film, but for the nostalgia of my youth walking miles through Ireland for a ballad. I really loved the film for that, and as a result can't judge it on other merits. Cheers Larry

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Fortunato
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:50 PM

On the Fuck Theme:

A little girl of 5 gets friendly with the workers constructing a house next door to her. They adopt her as a kind of mascot and give her little jobs to do.

At the end of the week they get their pay and they give the little girl a envelope with two dollars in it. She's overjoyed and her mother suggests they go to the bank and open an account. So off they go the bank and the bankteller says to the little girl:

"Where did you get the money?"

"Oh, I'm helping to build a house!"

"Well," said the teller, will you be building it next week as well?"

"I will if we can get the fucking bricks."



hee, hee.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: InOBU
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:55 PM

I would do as you offer Spaw, but I can't take any more abuse and if Rick calls me Wiggy, well, I may freak out and write a mean song about someone. Ah fuck it, can I borrow a brick?
Cheers Larry
PS on the Fuck quesiton, while on the way to the Quaker Peace Vigil a few weeks ago, a Friend refered to something, maybe a cab as a God Damned cab... I took him by the elbow and said, "Freind, thee should not take thy Lord's name in vain. Next time thee is so vexed, be sure to say Fucking cab, ... that is only procreative, not blasphamous"... for more on Blashfamy see my responce to Who is Billy Bragg, in which I seek to prove that Bill is God.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 02:06 PM

First time I've heard that esq after a name is supposed to indicate that you are a lawyer. Maybe it's an Americans thing.

Over here it's just a bit old-fashioned, which is quite a good thing in my book. Not that uncommon either - I've had quite a few letters addressed to me as Esq, and noone's ever taken me for a lawyer.

In pubs it's quite common to get addressed as "Squire" by the barman, but that's a different thing. It doesn't mean he thinks you are the Squire, it's sort of jocular.

I suppose if it had been New Zealand the misunderstanding wouldn't have arisen, and BDZ Esq wouldn't have taken umbrage.

I took InOBU's worry not so much as being personal, but rather as being worried that someone is off out there who might on the basis of a typo be slagging off the Mudcat as a haven of anti-Jewishness. (I avoid the term anti-semitism after the dispute a couple of months ago about whether it is proper to include anti-Arab attitudes under that heading, where I thought it was, and BDZ thought is wasn't.)

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 02:15 PM

I think it is an American thing, McGrath. Probably originated by some Americans who wanted to have titles just like you Brits have.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: SharonA
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 02:15 PM

Um... Larry? May I respectfully suggest that drawing Mr. Zurofsky's attention here so that he can read your reference to blaspheming the Judeo-Christian God may not be the ideal way to get into his good graces?

Sharon (watching the hole being dug deeper)

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 02:29 PM

McGrath of Harlow:

Somehow "esquire" has come IN SOME PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES to be a particular honorific for a lawyer. Not everywhere. Here in Indiana one sees it, but not so very often.

Actually, it means approximately the same as "Mister", namely that the individual is a gentleman (in the class sense, not the behavior sense). Thus one could well address a letter to me (a non-lawyer), perhaps, as David Oesterreich, Esq. But never Mr. David Oesterreich, Esq., regardless of legal qualifications.

I am also somewhat bemused and maybe amused by "Shirley Ann Jones, Esq.", which is a usage I see often in these days when woman lawyers are a dime a dozen. It's like saying "Mr. Shirley Ann Jones".

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: GUEST,Tom Metzger
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 02:47 PM

If half the world wants to kill all the jews and the other half wants to kill all the lawyers, I guess we're all out to get Zurofsky one way or another.

Did you hear the joke about the lawyer from Jew Jersey? Ha Ha.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: SharonA
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 03:20 PM

Just about exactly two weeks ago, Max (our Mudcatter-in-Chief) issued a statement on another thread about the lack of tolerance on the Forum. How soon we forget. Let me reprint the relevant sections of that post, and perhaps we can all remember to play nice:

--------------------

Subject: No BS: The Mudcat Is Shutting Down
From: Max
Date: 02-Nov-01 - 12:28 PM

"Get your attention? Good.

"I am very displeased with our community of late. The GUESTS have a tone I'm all too familiar with... The members are disappointing me too. Please everyone, show tolerance and patience, love and empathy. I strive to have no negative emotions in my life, especially hate. I don't even allow my daughter to use the word, and can't remember the last time I have, even casually about a food I don't like. I must admit that something that I am so closely associated with (Mudcat) contains so much of it.

"...I have shown tolerance and respect for [Mudcat] and all of you. Do me the same and help me clean up our imaginary town here at Mudcat, and fill it with love....

"Remember, this site is about Traditional Music. It is for musicians, educators and appreciaters to share stories, techniques, songs, etc. It also facilitates our real friendships and get-togethers. I've witnessed incredible acts of kindness, I've seen people cross an ocean and nary spend a dime besides the plane ticket, and I've met some of the finest people in the world, from 4 continents. These are our core principles and should be protected. If the spite in this forum inhibits the quest for knowledge or a real meeting of folks, we are defeating the very purpose.

"....I need to look upon the Mudcat pages and see beautiful people being happy, because that is why I do this. It's not my work that makes this such a great place (though it don't hurt), its all of you. ...and now I challenge you. We are a group, a whole. We are together because we share at least some common interest. We may not all see eye to eye on everything, but the Mudcat IS the sum of all its parts. I challenge you to make it work.

"Get your attention? Good."

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: InOBU
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 03:55 PM

To the Guest who calls himself Tom Metzger:
Not that I think it is Metzger, but, if it is, the reason he hates lawyers is that one of the US's great lawyers, Morris Dees, who heads up the Southern Poverty Law center, sued his postirior succesfully for making comments which led to a killing in a racist event. It is good to be hated by the likes of him. As much as I try to bring love to the world, until such ignorant folks as Tom Metzger own up to their responciblity to their fellow humans to join the family, I am not terribly saddened by the fact they hate me and my friends. So, dear Tom, grow up, grow, get right with your nation and your morals. Behave.
Jeeze
Larry

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 06:18 PM

I can appreciate that some people did not see the typo "Jew Jersey" but I don't think that in any way lessens the impact of reading it for Bennet, and those of us who did read it as it was written.

Had Bennet not mentioned it, I would have when I read it. And no, I'm not Jewish. Or attempting to claim victim status.

And I will state again, as emphatically as I can, that it is you Larry, not Bennet, who blew this issue out of proportion by responding so many times in the original thread (against the sound advice of a number of other posters), and then drawing even more unnecessary attention to yourself--at Bennet's expense--by starting this thread.

It appears to me Larry, that you are more interested in making yourself out to be the victim here, thereby adding insult to injury to Bennet, and making matters worse by dragging the whole sorry episode out.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 06:44 PM

Has anybody else noticed that if you pronounce "Esq" as "esk" you can sing the title of this thread to the tune of "John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt"?

Alex

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:54 PM

Esq. = Esquire = landowner

Fine old trad. title

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: DougR
Date: 17 Nov 01 - 12:34 AM

Guest: Oh flamer you! Get your kicks by stirring the pot, right? Regular Mudcatters know Larry. We know he wouldn't hurt a fly if it was worrying the shit out of him. So screw off!

DougR

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Bennet Zurofsky
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 06:03 PM

I never noticed this thread before today. If anyone else should stumble across it, you should know that I accepted Larry's (InOBU's) apology long ago. A typo is plaintly a typo, even though I have heard the same phrase used in an ugly manner. As for a very few of the remarks above, I assume them to be poor attempts at humor or irony. More to the point, I enjoy Mudcat, and would hardly blame the site and all of its participants if, in its lively exchange, a few hateful individuals contributed their taint.

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 07:11 PM

I do like a satisfactory ending. Very gracious.

And timely, as it happens, what with some of the stuff flying around at present in the virtual vicinity of Larry (InOBU).

Subject: RE: HEY! Bennet D. Zurofsky Esq!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 08:06 PM

And Larry, it is great to see someone else besides me feeling they should make an apology.
And Max is right.
I've been here much less of late because of what he is referring to. I don't look into threads with nothing, seemingly, to recommend them past the title or, maybe, the first two posts. I'd rather miss a gem further in than waste my time. And I say that fully warew that, if I have anything at all these days, it is that I've got too much time on my hands.

Art Thieme