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Subject: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 10:14 AM From HARPER"S Magazine This month From a song list compiled by clear channel communications executives and distributed to their affiliates in the wake of the September 11 attacks. Clear Channel, with 1200 stations the largest radio conglomerate in the US suggested that DJs refrain from playing the songs due to thier "questionable lyrics."
99 Luft balloons -Nina
What are your thoughts? Previous thread: songs being banned by ClearChannel |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: guinnesschik Date: 03 Dec 01 - 10:30 AM Geeze, what a joke! As if radio stations don't have a small enough play list as it is.
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: MMario Date: 03 Dec 01 - 10:33 AM 1)old news. 2)suggestions to refrain from playing does not equal "banned" 3)the intent was evidently to prevent lyrical images from further distressing people already tense from the 9-11 situation (a misguided attempt in my opinion)
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 11:07 AM MMario 1) Just Hit Harpers Mag This Month 2) if your boss suggests something its Written In stone 3) Some of these Songs are Out There Raptor |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Willie-O Date: 03 Dec 01 - 11:27 AM ...Clear Channel maintains that this list was a "grass-roots initiative" from its employees rather than an order or a suggestion from the top down. More spin from an evil Walmart of the radio waves, I expect. A lot of the songs on the list just plain don't make sense. Anything with a reference to airplanes, fires or who knows what... "Ironic"???"What a Wonderful World"???--apparently the human condition. It reads as if they polled a thousand people on Sept 12 and asked "What song do you hate the most?" However, any "do not play" list that includes "Eve Of Destruction" has my approval for that selection. W-O |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: MMario Date: 03 Dec 01 - 11:48 AM the list has been floating around the internet since what, 9-13? It's still old news. The fact that Harpers didn't manage to print it until this month doesn't make it new. Nor does it make the "banned" true. regarding written in stone - not at any job I've ever held. My bosses have all been honest enough that suggestions are suggestions. Orders on the other hand are indeed orders and the two are clearly different. Plus - as mentioned by Willie-O; almost immediately it was announced that this wasn't a "top down" directive - nor did most of the stations pay it much heed (from all reports). I think circulating a memo saying "Hey - remmeber there are people hurting out there and consider how some songs might make them feel" would probably have done more good. And wouldn't have given us this "banned songs" list that will probably be hanging around for 20 years
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 01:34 PM MMario Holy cow I just asked for some thoughts on the subject. I wasn't aware of any rules about posting current events. Should we check with you before posting?
If the thread seems ancient to you Don't post.
I'm sorry I wasted your precious time. Raptor
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: GUEST,BigDaddy Date: 03 Dec 01 - 02:04 PM Infighting aside, can anyone come up with the rationale behind not playing "Bridge Over Troubled Water?" I always perceived it as a song of comfort offered. I would have thought they'd play the heck out of it. Same goes for "Imagine." And "American Pie?!" Some (most?) of the choices I can understand, even if I don't agree with such a list. I would like to never hear some of these again myself, but not because of what happened on September 11. |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Amergin Date: 03 Dec 01 - 02:27 PM raptor...all mmario was saying was that it was posted before... it only takes a couple of minutes to find out if it was or not....christ...grow up. |
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Subject: Banned Songs From: Clinton Hammond Date: 03 Dec 01 - 02:35 PM "Eve Of Destruction"?? i'm with ya on that one Willie-O! My local pub has banned "The Unicorn Song"... and all us guys who play there are THANKFUL for the ban!!! One p.o.s. song down, several million more to go!!!! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: GUEST,who cares Date: 03 Dec 01 - 02:49 PM i'll tell you why big daddy ... becauses Americans are fucked.. ...anyone want to talk about folk music??? |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 03:08 PM Amergin Theres a difference between saying what was posted was posted before and acting pious with this Old News stuff. This is supposed to be a friendly site. If you don't want to contribute the thread subject, don't. But attacking the person who posted with Grow up is not the point. I'm sure you can find other sites for that shit. Raptor |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: GUEST,who cares Date: 03 Dec 01 - 03:13 PM i uess you can too raptor....you started all this crap.. no doubt you're a closet banjo player... come out come out wherever you are W.C. |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 03:41 PM I believe Barry McGuire IS folk and that this topic is worthy of discussion. Some of these songs would be insensitive to play but most of them are harmless. Is it not scarry that people believe that censership is nessesary? Raptor (wondering if MMario is guestWC and Amergin) |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: MMario Date: 03 Dec 01 - 03:44 PM raptor - sorry if I snapped - I have deleted this list so many times now from e-mail - seen it multiple times in every newsgroup and forum I go to - even ones that don't normally discuss ANY music. My point was - they weren't ever "banned" in the first place - (so I'm already irritated at seeing repeatedly a falsehood) - secondly - the list was (reportedly) generated in a voluntary effort to decrease bad feelings - but seems currently be being used mostly to stir up bad feelings. Thirdly - if you look at the songs in the list from the point of view of a someone trying to prevent mental anguish (granted - to a ridiculous point) those songs do contain lyrics that could be disturbing in the wake of 9-11. "Bye - bye American..." fire/planes/death, etc. and lastly - I apologize that you took my posting to be a critique on your posting. I was offering my comments and opinions - which is what I *thought* you were asking for.
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Whistle Stop Date: 03 Dec 01 - 03:49 PM Raptor, you asked for feedback, and MMario gave you feedback. What's the problem? It is old news, and much ado about nothing, in my opinion. As far as I ever knew, this was just an attempt to be sensitive to people's feelings in the immediate aftermath of the attacks. Maybe each of us would have written a different list (if we felt this was a good idea to begin with), but trying to cast this as some oppressive new censorcism initiative, as many have done, really misses the point. I don't know all of the songs on the list, but I could definitely use a break from most of the ones on there that I do know. Modern radio has beaten them to death already. |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 03:53 PM Cool But the fact is if you just broke up with someone you don't listen to country stations cause youre gonna hear breakup songs and stir up some bad feelings. These stations are listened to all over not just New York. I'm not saying that you should play songs like Its the end of the world to be funny but most of these songs have nothing to do with tradgity. Raptor |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 03:56 PM Why post to a thread if you are board with the subject? Raptor |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: MMario Date: 03 Dec 01 - 04:05 PM raptor - believe me - I post under my own name. with the rare exception that I pull out Cleigh's sister Dido (who most people know is me) or situations like the secret santa thread. if I post from someone elses computer I post as guest, MMario - or state that it is I posting from so-and-so's computer. The WTT disaster on 9-11 had people WORLD WIDE in emotional shell-shock. One or two WORDS can trigger devastating emotional storms. If you haven't seen it happen to someone you care about - or even specifically over 9-11; you are very lucky. I have, too many times. I still think the effort to restict the airplay was misguided - but it was well intentioned and not completely off the wall. |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 04:12 PM I see your point! Raptor |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: toadfrog Date: 03 Dec 01 - 04:16 PM Raptor, whoever you are, you asked for feedback. You got it. No one agrees with you, including not me. Got a problem with that? You have not identified an instance of "censorship." And Eve of Destruction is (1) not a folk song; (2) lousy; and (3) one that I, too, would "suggest" nobody play, had I but the power of suggestion. O.k.? |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 04:20 PM This is gettin re-god-dammed-diculus. |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 03 Dec 01 - 04:29 PM My Apologyies to all. I should have nammed this thread better. And secified that I was looking for opinions on the songs Not A Flame war. The list was news to me and I thought it would intrest others as well Trust me It took Too long to type Just too piss people off! Raptor |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: MMario Date: 03 Dec 01 - 04:47 PM my apologies raptor - because the whole situation got aggravated via my responses. The list *is* a bit overdone - isn't it? I don't know all the songs - but the ones I do know I can usually spot the lyrics they thought might be "triggers" - sometimes it is just the title, sometimes a phrase somewhere in the song. |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: GUEST,BigDaddy Date: 03 Dec 01 - 05:28 PM (Whining tone here): Why can't we all just get along? |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Liz the Squeak Date: 03 Dec 01 - 07:46 PM Mmario - YOU are Cletus' sister?? When did the clinic let you out? Have the stitches healed?? LTS |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Gary T Date: 03 Dec 01 - 11:18 PM "A Sign of the Times?" "Morning Has Broken?" "What a Wonderful World?" Hard to figure how they got on the list. I've always rather liked "Eve of Destruction" (which is easy to understand being on the list). Yeah, it's a little overdone, but it's not badly crafted and it makes some good points. I seem to recall hearing that it was the first protest song on the pop charts. |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Chip2447 Date: 03 Dec 01 - 11:54 PM For what its worth... Click here That is if I done this right... Chip2447 |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Amergin Date: 04 Dec 01 - 12:26 AM ah chips...I was just about to post that link.... Raptor....I post as Amergin no one else...except as a guest a couple of times when I was asking questions and I did not want anyone to know it was me....or as an SS, but that is another thread.... |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Chip2447 Date: 04 Dec 01 - 03:55 AM My first blue clicky, and it worked...I'm so proud that even I can cause thread creep... chip2447 |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Tone d' F Date: 04 Dec 01 - 05:18 AM Mmario it may be old news to you but it's the first time I've seen it, also magazines normally have a 2 to 3 month lead in so when it was written it proberably was news and as for banned hey it's the press, where's the headline in "suggested" when BANNED get's your attention Remember the the age old adage "print the truth, as long as it sells print" As for peoples knee jerk reaction to this thread etc, Smile people and count to 10 If this doesn't work re read the post taking out every 3rd word, then it should be at least a 3rd less annoying to you *BG* :-} |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: DonMeixner Date: 04 Dec 01 - 06:49 AM Raptor, don't be buzzed off by this. I am in your camp here. The very thought of banning song, poems, art, movies, or expression I find reprehensible. Commonsense and good taste do come into play here at some point. Don't confuse editorial policy with censorship, it isn't. Don't confuse a suggestion not to play as banning. Old news is only old news to the people who heard it first. It is correct to react to what you hear when you hear it. Even if it is days, weeks, later on than when others heard it first. Even if we are contentious here at times we are all observers of the human consition and many of us think whats best for one is best for all, we have the best of intentions. Come on along, the road to hell will at least be crowded with great musicians. Don |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Allan C. Date: 04 Dec 01 - 08:00 AM In answer to Big Daddy's question about "Bridge Over Troubled Waters", there is the line in it containing, "Sail on silver bird...etc.". In view of this and many other songs shown in the list, I have to admire the remarkable creativity of thought that went behind its compilation - even if I don't at all agree with the premise. |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Snuffy Date: 04 Dec 01 - 08:33 AM I always heard it as "Sail on silver girl..." Have I been mondegreening it for 30 years? |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 04 Dec 01 - 08:40 AM MMario Friends? Raptor |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: MMario Date: 04 Dec 01 - 09:10 AM no sweat Raptor. I really *wasn't* trying to get a rise out of anyone, nor do I believe you were. regarding a few of the choices on the list - You have relatives and friends dead or missing due to 9-11. How would *you* feel to wake up to someone warbling "It's a wonderful day!" |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Raptor Date: 04 Dec 01 - 09:22 AM Pretty Bad But is it true that Cat Stevens is on the list Cuz of his new identity? Raptor |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: GUEST,pavane Date: 05 Dec 01 - 07:24 AM How about some suggestions for songs they CAN play, i.e. not on the banned list, as a protest. Perhaps one of Tom Lehrer's works, such as We'll all go together when we go? |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: GUEST,BigDaddy Date: 05 Dec 01 - 02:12 PM It is "Sail on silver girl..." Maybe someone thought it was, "there's a sale on silver, girl..." |
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Subject: RE: Banned Songs From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 06 Dec 01 - 12:52 AM Raptor-You raise an interesting point about Cat Stevens, for those that don't know, Cat Stevens converted to the muslim faith and changed his name to Yusef Islam, I notice he is on the list twice. |
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