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Subject: Change in Canadian immigration From: little john cameron Date: 18 Dec 01 - 09:53 PM The Canadian rules on immigration have been tightened up.According to this,does that mean no more musicians as you must have a masters degree to get in? Kischer says people who want to immigrate as skilled workers must now be be fluent in English, have at least a master's degree and have spent time in Canada. ---------------------------------------------------------- What's most shocking, he says, is that the new qualifications are retroactive. "People who have been waiting for five years to come to Canada will no longer qualify. This is unheard of in government policy." Kischer says the government has a backlog of about 500,000 people waiting to be processed.
He believes these new qualifications have been put in place for no other reason than to clear the books.
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Peter T. Date: 18 Dec 01 - 10:52 PM Yes, and when you get in they refuse to accept your credentials -- I know a number of doctors, engineers, etc., who are accepted into the country as professionals and then find they can't practice. It is completely insane. No one discusses the brain drain from developing countries either. The Canadian system is ludicrous. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Banjer Date: 19 Dec 01 - 05:26 AM Why would anyone want to immigrate TO Canada? *BG* |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: RichM Date: 19 Dec 01 - 06:28 AM Mistake, obviously. Doesn't everyone want to move to the United States of Marketing? |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Dec 01 - 07:37 AM But if they can speak fluent French but their English isn't that good they aren't wanted? I assume this is a cunning plot to bolster Quebec separatism. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: CarolC Date: 19 Dec 01 - 08:12 AM I'm guessing that musicians would come under one of the following categories that do not require a masters degree rather than the skilled worker category...
BUSINESS:
Applicants are divided into three sub-categories: Self-employed, Entrepreneur and Investor. As the name implies, the self-employed class is suitable for self-employed business persons who do not intend to employ other persons in their business. Under this class, there no minimum capital or past ownership requirements, but applicants must satisfy a points test and minimum English language requirement. Applicants must prepare a viable, well-researched business proposal and possess sufficient funds and acceptable experience to establish or purchase proposed business in Canada. Applicants must remain self-employed in Canada and are unable to work as an employee for another company. Past self-employment, though not strictly required is considered an asset.
Under Entrepreneur class, there is no minimum capital requirement, but applicants must satisfy a points test and possess sufficient funds and past management experience to establish or purchase the proposed business in Canada. Applicants must also have a minimum level of English language ability. Past management experience (and not necessarily self-employment) is sufficient to meet the criteria of this class. Often the key to success is the quality of your business plan, which can be based on either a new start-up business in Canada or the purchase and re-development of an existing business. Your proposed business must be viable and well-researched, and be able to support yourself, your family and create employment for Canadians. The process is divided into two stages. .The first stage involves a probationary period for 2 years in Canada, during which time you must establish your business. Permanent residence is issued once your business is trading and satisfies minimum employee thresholds. (I didn't include investor because it doesn't seem applicable in the case of musicians.) |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Dec 01 - 08:29 AM Got any info on the "Points Test" as well Carol? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: CarolC Date: 19 Dec 01 - 08:40 AM Still looking. But I did find this...
ENTREPRENEUR & SELF-EMPLOYED VISAS
This category is for applicants who wish to establish and manage a business in Canada. All applicants must have previous business or senior management experience of at least three years. Entrepreneurs must create employment for at least one Canadian citizen or permanent resident. They will be issued with a two-year probationary visa. They will be monitored by immigration officials and, if satisfied after the two-year period, will remove the conditions and permanent residence is approved. Self-employed is for artists, musicians, dancers, etc who will create employment for themselves only.Processing time: 12-15 months |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: CarolC Date: 19 Dec 01 - 09:05 AM I couldn't find the specifics of how the points tests work. However, if anyone wants to see if they might qualify, they can go to this site and get a free on-line assessment. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Jimmy C Date: 19 Dec 01 - 10:25 AM Peter T wrote "yes, and when you get in they refuse to accept your credentials -- I know a number of doctors, engineers, etc., who are accepted into the country as professionals and then find they can't practice. It is completely insane. No one discusses the brain drain from developing countries either. The Canadian system is ludicrous." This may be the scenario with a number of cases but on the other hand I know of many who came here with false credentials, including lawyers, accountants , electricians etc. If someone has credentials from another country, all he/she has to do is take the test, if they meet canadian standards then these credentials will be recognized and accepted. This is a necesary procedure to weed out the real from the fake. I would imagine the U.S. and other countries must have some system in place that will determine the qualifications of a potential newcomer. If we did not have these requirements every Tom, Dick and Harry landing on our shores would have diplomas, certificates for a number of professions coming out of their arse, many of which would have been printed at the local copy centre before arriving in Canada. I know of one person in particular from a "developing country" who claimed to be a) an accountant b) A lawyer C) a computer systems analyst and yet he was only 23 years of age ?. He did get a job in a computer firm and was found out to be a fake within the first week. The scary part is that he and all his friends are trying to pull the same scam. These types of individuals make it necessary to check all others. I emigrated to Canada 36 years ago and it was the smartest thing I have ever done, This country ranks as the very best or among the very best in the world. Our streets are comparatively safe (as big cities go), this year Toronto, a city of almost 3 million will have a homicide rate of about 60 to 65. There are many large cities that have this number on a monthly basis. The idea of checking immigants and their qualifications is very simply explained - if they are willing to lie and cheat to get here, they are willing to lie and cheat when they are here. People with real qualifications have nothing to fear, it just takes time to get checked out, |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: little john cameron Date: 19 Dec 01 - 12:07 PM Ye're right there Jimmy.Two good moves ah made in mah live,coming tae Canada an' then movin tae Newfoundland.When ah went tae the emigration office in Glasgow,on a whim mind ye,ah wis here in three weeks.Ah think they wanted tae get rid o' me at hame!! When ah eventually ,like yersel',ah found masel in the Windsor Hoose in Toronto.Weel,surprise,surprise who dae ah meet bit every yahoo an' gangster wha wis postit missin back hame.It wis that much like hame the cab drivers widnae pick ye up fae there,ye had tae go up tae Yonge st an' get ane there. Ah,fond memories. Ah agree tho',it's a great country bit awfy big.Ah've seen quite a bit o' it ower the years an' watch as it changes,becomin mair multicultural aw' the time.Here in Newfoundland it is still maistly Scots,Irish an'English.Mibbe it is too cauld for ither nationalities. It is interestin the various reasons fowk emigrate.For them as might be interestit ah hae a wee story site aboot mah adventures oan the net.Hae a wee keek if ye feel so inclined. Here it is.click Noo,tae get back tae the topic.Wha's gaun tae dae aw' the scut work if it's aw' these brainy fowk that come here? ljc |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Dec 01 - 01:03 PM Am I right in thinking they didn't insist on having English speakers back then, little john?
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: little john cameron Date: 19 Dec 01 - 01:13 PM Funny ye should mention that.Strange as it may seem,the place wis chock-a-block wi' us in they days.For instance,ah worked for aboot a year at General Electric in Scarboro' an' the place wis hoachin wi' Scots.Aye,we were the kings o' the castle then.It's gaun doon the tubes noo!! ljc |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Dec 01 - 01:19 PM Jimmie C, the immigrants still have to pass the exams or meet the requirements of the Associations in the provinces in which they wish to settle. Other provincial restrictions may apply. The AMA (Alberta Medical Assn.) is talking about requiring immigrant doctors (after acceptance by the Assn.) to settle in rural areas. Doctors from a limited number of countries (Great Britain and Ireland included) have a rather easy time of it, but those from countries not on the list do not find easy going in getting certification. Rules are being liberalized, but slowly. Little Jon, I could make some Newfie jokes, but I won't. It's a grand place for those who hate the bustle of Toronto and the other big centres. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Dec 01 - 01:48 PM But to get back to my earlier question - is it really the case that if there was some highly experienced and qualified French doctor, for example, who maybe had half a dozen other languages, but had never got round to learning English, and he wanted to work in Quebec, and maybe had been working there for a few years - they'd tell him or her to shove it?
I'd find that insulting if I was a French speaking Canadian. I'd find it insulting if I was an English speaking Canadian who was proud of being a citizen of a country where both languages were respected. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: little john cameron Date: 19 Dec 01 - 02:01 PM Dicho,ye'll notice that Newfie joke are maistly "Irish" jokes only the names hae been changed tae suit the occasion. Here in Newfoundland the hospitals are fu' o' East Indians,Pakistanis an. ither non-white doctors an' ither related personnel.Thanks God tae ,as it wis ane o' they surgeons wha saved mah life.He did a great job,bit it turned oot that he wis an awfy arsehole in ither respects.Oneyway,that's anither story. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Peter T. Date: 19 Dec 01 - 02:31 PM Simply adding to Dicho, there are qualified engineers, architects, planners, whatever, coming in my door all the time who cannot work here without taking all kinds of new qualifications, university courses, etc. which may take many years. My point was that their qualifications get them into this country, so how come their qualifications are useless once they get in? yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Dec 01 - 02:34 PM Mcgrath, apparently the new rules are complex. There will be exemptions for "temporary workers" in needed categories, who will be able to apply for citizenship after two years. There are other sections that have not been reported on in detail. Prospective immigrants who have paid the $500 fee "may" be exempt. I have tried to find a copy of the Bill. It should be available on a Canadian Gov't site, but haven't found it yet. And don't forget the provinces; they have some powers here. Alberta, where I live, is always talking about "opting out." The province of Quebec has some say in immigration to their province (language education rules are imposed on immigrants to Quebec, and exemptions for them may still appear in the Bill). |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Jimmy C Date: 19 Dec 01 - 06:00 PM I know that Alberta and other provinces try to get certain professionals to settle in rural areas, but this is part of the agreement, You can't agree to some condition and then complain about it when you get here. I have 2 friemds (a married pair of nurses), he is English and she is Scottish, They had to go to Fort Frances for 2 years. They agreed to this before they left the U.k. The two years being up they were then able to move to any part of Canada that needed their services. Believe me when I say that Fort St Frances is RURAL with a capital R. What should be noted is that many of these rural areas, being in dire straits for health professionals in particular are willing to provide cost free housing, an increased salary and other perqs. Having this location requirement meets two goals. One for the immigrant to be granted landed status and the other to ensure that remote populations have quality health care available without the hassle of travelling hundreds of miles to the big city hospitals. All immigrants have it difficult in a new land, that is part of the adventure. The bottom line is that they know the score before coming, they know their credentials will be checked, they know they will have to meet Canadian and provincial qualifications, they know that if accepted they will have to go to a remote area for a definite period of time, if they are not willing to accept these conditions then the next name on the waiting list will. The time to complain about this is not when they arrive. We are a bi-lingual country, you should be able to speak at least one of the languages, I don't think that both are mandatory, so a french speaking doctor willing to practice in Quebec should have no problem. Hey ! they let LJC with his guitar and myself with my banjo in, so they can't be too particular. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: robomatic Date: 19 Dec 01 - 07:08 PM Words Fail Me: I yield to my betters: 1883 THE NEW COLOSSUS by Emma Lazarus THE NEW COLOSSUS - Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" - - |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 19 Dec 01 - 08:05 PM Well, I for one am all for it. I admit that I was a Trudeau fan, but I can't forgive him for opening the doors to anyone who wanted to come to this country. Canada was filled with mostly like minded, law abiding people who respected authority and respected other people's right to live without fear. I still love living in Canada, wouldn't want to live anywhere else, but it sure isn't the same place that I grew up in. Do we need more people? Yes. Do we have room for them? Plenty. Should we be more careful as to who we allow in? Absolutely. Yes, Canada is a very multi-cultural place with low crime rates. The majority of immigrants (and my father was one) have adopted the Canadian ways. However, the crime rate has exploded since the mid-seventies, and the majority of it is by people who were criminals in their home country before coming here.
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: GUEST,petr Date: 19 Dec 01 - 08:26 PM Absolutely the rules should be tightened up. for years it was a joke, there are plenty of cases of people who committed crimes and were ordered deported and yet spend years living off welfare fighting deportation (with govt appointed lawyers). |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Peter T. Date: 20 Dec 01 - 05:18 PM Dearly as I love you and Bob, Steve, you are blowing the wrong harmonica. There is no statistic I am aware of that shows that the majority of crimes in Canada are caused by people who were criminals in their home country. And what crime rate explosion? yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: marty D Date: 20 Dec 01 - 07:03 PM What peter and Steve have said appears to be poles apart, and yet you both believe your position to be right BECAUSE of facts/statistics. I find this kind of thing interesting but totally frustrating. The same arguments are put forth in the States nightly on talk shows. How can one person's information be SO wrong? Is it because you read radically different newspapers or follow polls in which completely different questions were asked of the respondents? Either the crime rate IS higher or it's not. Are either of you using 'specific' types of crime to bolster your argument. On TV I can't ask Politicians HOW they get their information, but here at least I CAN ask Mudcatters. I really am interested in your feedback. marty |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Dec 01 - 07:18 PM People tend to quote spurious statistics which are not borne out in any official reports. Such is the misinformation put out by Steve Latimer. Even the right-wing Calgary Herald has quoted police reports of a decrease in crime. We do have a relatively small problem. Some of the immigrants have formed gangs, but the problem remains relatively small. In my own city of Calgary, non-European immigrants now make up 20% of the population. The great majority of them are hard-working and good citizens, as they are across Canada. They do everything from clean out the airport urinals to performing research, laser surgery, and as entrepreneurs providing jobs for other Canadians. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: GUEST,petr Date: 20 Dec 01 - 07:45 PM that guy (Al Marabh) being held in Chicago was arrested in Canada for carrying a false passport. His uncle paid the bail and he disappeared. Mohammed Farrah Aideed's (the Somali Warlord) wife, lied about her refugee status ended up collecting 100 grand plus in welfare and not only could they not send her back they couldnt even make her pay it back. there was a case of a Jamaican guy ordered deported but it took years for Immigration to get around to it, it wasnt until he shot a police officer that it became an issue (why was he still here). forget about statistics, there are plenty of good immigrants but there are very specific cases of bad apples that end up taking advantage of Canadas favorable laws and welfare system and spend years fighting deportation orders with taxpayer money. (you definitely dont want just anyone in without checking them out, just look at what happened when Castro emptied the prisons in the early 80's and they all fled to the US and ended up in drug trade and organized crime.. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Dec 01 - 07:54 PM Canadians do the same thing. Look at the business mogul who transferred $2 billion out of the country tax-free. This week, a judge said nothing can be done about it. Isolated cases of tax fraud are everywhere. Quote the run-of-the-mill cases on a statistical basis and they are nothing. The $2 billion taken by the Bronfman family, I bet, could pay these losses several times over. |
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Subject: RE: Change in Canadian immigration From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Dec 01 - 08:09 PM WEll, we aren't exactly where we used to be and Emma Lazarus may not have given the same words to Lady Liberty today....but it's still pretty easy to stay here for better or for worse......unless you're Elian Gonzalez of course. Which reminds me.........Play the Elian Deportation Game...in suitably poor taste of course Spaw |
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