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Subject: price of gasoline From: 53 Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:35 AM well it looks as though now that the war is almost over that gas will be our war now, it's on the rise. during the months of novemember and december, i could buy unleaded for as low as 95cents a gallon, now it;s already up to 1.04 a gallon, we can't win for losing. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Gillie Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:48 AM multiply that by 5 and that is what it costs in the UK magician on gillie's |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: CarolC Date: 09 Jan 02 - 11:01 AM Always a timely topic for discussion, BOB. Here are links to an earlier discussion on this topic. It might be interesting to compare what's going on now with what was going on then (pre-11 Sept.). |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: allie kiwi Date: 09 Jan 02 - 03:16 PM I really have no concept about the quantity of 'a gallon'. How much is that in litres? Over here it is anywhere between 92 cents and $1.20 a litre. That's NZ dollars, so about halve it for US equivalent. Allie |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Maxine Date: 09 Jan 02 - 05:15 PM We've been to the USA in the last few months. To fill up our hire car cost us roughly £13.00 - in the UK that would easily be £40.00, so don't complain too loudly! |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jan 02 - 05:25 PM North American gas prices are kept artificially WAY low, specially in the USA, so count your blessings while you still have 'em. (It's one of the perks that goes along with world domination.) They are higher in Canada, and MUCH higher in most other places. This is offset somewhat by the fact that North Americans on average tend to drive longer distances than Europeans...and so, consume more gas. The fact that North America is the land of the automobile may have something to do with it too. There's more public transit available in Europe, so people can do without cars much more easily. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: ddw Date: 09 Jan 02 - 06:15 PM Allie Kiwi, A U.S. gallon is roughly 3.8 litres, an imperial gallon (U.K., Canada) is 4.55 litres. Gas in Windsor, Ont. at the moment is about 57.5 to 58.5 cents a litre. Pre-Sept 11 prices were running in the high 70s to low 80s. david |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: allie kiwi Date: 09 Jan 02 - 08:18 PM Thanks, David. Being a not-quite 'Spring chicken', I grew up totally metric. Holy moses - that means they are paying about 1/4 to 1/3 of what we are! And this is expensive to them??
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Bobert Date: 09 Jan 02 - 09:55 PM Little Hawk is right in that out relatively low cost for petroluem is a perk for being the big dog but with that being said, no matter how cheap the barrel price is the American oil companies are not shy about trying to manipulate the domestic market, by what ever means, to increase their allready hefty profits. We were headed towards European prices just last year until the Senate was taken back, investigative and subpena powers in tow, by the Democrats. Hmmmmmm? |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: 53 Date: 09 Jan 02 - 09:56 PM THE PROBLEM IS ,THAT GAS WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP, AND THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT. IT'S ALL POLITICAL, AND THAT MAKES ME REAL MAD. HOW CAN IT BE ONE PRICE ONE DAY, CHANGE THE NEXT, AND THE NEXT AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Gypsy Date: 09 Jan 02 - 09:57 PM And our prices are going DOWN. Don't understand it. This is the lowest ive seen since California had leaded gas......And we were pretty doggone high for the US, too. To our Euro friends, i apologize, you must think us real stinkers for whining when your prices are REALLY high. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: M.Ted Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:08 PM Americans don't know how good they have it--not only are gas prices low, taxes are quite low as well--are you paying any attention to what the rest of the world is paying, 53? |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: GUEST,John Gray / Australia Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:15 PM 95 cents a gallon - give me a break. Here in Oz its 85-95 cents per litre. And that's Oz money. Converted into your units makes it USD$1.80 / Gallon. And every 3 months or so I do a return drive of 2000 km to visit my son in another state. Once away from the cities the fuel price is higher still. JG/FME |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Ebbie Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:15 PM I'm curious- in the UK and wherever else there is easy, convenient rail and bus service, how much do you spend on transportation? (Presumably that is money you are not using on private vehicles.) How many times a day do trains/buses run in the direction you need? How late do they run? Can you haul your instruments- from harmonicas to basses- on the train/bus with you? Or do you use your own vehicle for that? How often a week do you use your own vehicle? How much does it cost you for fuel each week? What does a new auto cost you? What makes are available? In the old days, British and European people routinely walked what nowadays we would consider great distances. How do you feel today about a 15 or 30 mile stroll to the next town? Eb |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: JedMarum Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:46 PM What do you pay for a pack of cigarettes in Canada, in UK in Australia? The government really does set those prices in the US. Gas prices rise and fall in the US based on a number of market driven issues - but the truth is, even in the US where our gas prices are still pretty reasonable, the biggest single profitmaker is the government tax man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: 53 Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:49 PM true about the taxman, but our gas prices will continue to rise, you just watch and see. that's all i'm saying, i love the us, and that's why i think the government could do something about gas. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: JedMarum Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:53 PM agreed, BOB - but the prices may continue to ebb and flow on a steady rise over years. A sudden significant increase would cause major changes in consumption. A slow steady increase will likely do the same. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Kaleea Date: 10 Jan 02 - 12:34 AM in the town where I live the average is $1.07 per gallon. I noticed because I filled up today. My good ole pontiac holds about 18 1/2 gallons, and it normally takes me about 3 weeks to go through a tank. And no, I don't get out much. work, work, work! |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Polecat Date: 10 Jan 02 - 03:53 AM This is something of which I know too much about! I'm a consumer advocate here in Newfoundland and Labrador and I can reflect one little experience that puts all in question of what you are paying for at the pump(or house if you're a heating oil user). In December of 1998,we formed a local group to investigate prices and subsequently,had meetings with Govenment and Big Oil.At the meeting for Big Oil we met with four oil company exec's whom we asked to explain the present price for the St.John's area. When they broke down the price,it was found that the difference between the "posted" and the "actual" was 5.5 cents a litre in the difference. Mysteriously,when the exec's were asked to explain the difference,they left the meeting. Since then,the Government here has instituted "regulation" basing prices on the New York merchantile exchange(NYMEX).www.pppc.nf.ca Government here has since regulated prices for heating Oils,Gasoline,Diesel and Propane,all ironically,DOWNWARDS IN PRICE. Any questions,feel free to drop me a note at gasprices@hotmail.com It's your money.
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Wolfgang Date: 10 Jan 02 - 05:27 AM There will be very different responses to Ebbie's questions depending not only upon country but also upon part of country, but I give it a try both for myself and for Germany in general. May I start by mentioning what Ebbie has not mentioned: bicycle. In my home town, more than 40% of all possible movements when outside of the house are made by bicycle, next comes walking and only then the car. My town has close to 300.000 inhabitants, has no hills and just about every distance is considered bicycable (it takes about 30 min to cross the town).
I'm curious- in the UK and wherever else there is easy, convenient rail and bus service, how much do you spend on transportation? (Presumably that is money you are not using on private vehicles.)
How many times a day do trains/buses run in the direction you need? How late do they run? Buses/trams within town: Roughly from once every 10 minutes to once every 30 minutes. During daytime in Münster so often that I just walk to the bus stop when it rains too much for the bicycle without consulting the timetable first. Chances are that I miss the next bus while still leafing through the timetable. After 7pm the connections are 'thinned', the later the less, after 10pm once per hour up to 1am. Can you haul your instruments- from harmonicas to basses- on the train/bus with you? Or do you use your own vehicle for that? No problems with public transport How often a week do you use your own vehicle? How much does it cost you for fuel each week? About twice a week. We usually fill it up once a month for 50 US$. But we are an exception in Germany. We use the car for less than 5000 ml a year for we prefer public transport whenever possible.
What does a new auto cost you? What makes are available?
In the old days, British and European people routinely walked what nowadays we would consider great distances. How do you feel today about a 15 or 30 mile stroll to the next town? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: CarolC Date: 10 Jan 02 - 10:10 AM Jed, I'm curious to know in what way the money collected by the tax man can be considered profit, and who it is that is receiving this profit. And maybe it would be helpful if you tell me how you define the word 'profit' in this case. I may be defining it differently than you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: JedMarum Date: 10 Jan 02 - 10:34 AM Profit is that part of the purchase price that is over and above the cost of production and distribution. The taxman does not incur costs in the sale of gasoline, so the revenue he collects from its sale is profit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: CarolC Date: 10 Jan 02 - 10:50 AM But where is that profit going? And can it be considered profit if it is not going to private individuals, but to our collective coffers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: JedMarum Date: 10 Jan 02 - 10:56 AM Certainly it is profit. It has nothing to do with the product cost - it is going to fund various government programs that hopefully benefit Americans in one way or another. But it is still profit. The money I earn from my business efforts, beyond the cost of my doing business, is the profit on which I live - and hopefully save for my future. The fact that it may be wisely and helpfuly spent/saved does not change the fact that it is profit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: 53 Date: 10 Jan 02 - 11:04 AM its just wrong to gouge consumers at the pump, they don't change the price of bread everyday. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: CarolC Date: 10 Jan 02 - 11:10 AM I think we define profit differently, then. I don't think of it as profit if it's going back into the collective pocket book of the American people. However, by your definition, we are the ones who are making this profit, not the tax man. The tax man just collects it for us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: wysiwyg Date: 10 Jan 02 - 11:30 AM Bob, I noticed in another thread someone was getting on you about starting nonmusic threads. I am glad to see this thread is producing good discussion. But often, these days, people are posting some of the nonmusical stuff over at Jon Freeman's Annexe, a site he set up just for Mudcatters to do that. At the Annexe, it's unlikely anyone would be bothered by threads they don't find interesting-- they either post to them, or they don't.
Anyway, I hope to run into you over there, sometime. Registration is easy and using the site is easy too. To see that for yourself, just CLICK HERE to register and then click anything you see that is underlined, to look around.
Right now the hot topic is how to make omelettes!
~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Maxine Date: 10 Jan 02 - 02:56 PM Just to answer some of Wolfgangs questions: Our public transport service is CONTINUALLY on strike for various reasons. When it IS running it is never reliable and when the train/bus arrives it is full to the brim - no room for instruments of any kind - no room to breathe in fact - this can be a problem! Apart from this, it is also extremely expensive. There is currently uproar in the UK for the transport minister to resign. I am currently in the process of buying a Peugeot 106, 2 door, 3 years old, 1000cc and it is costing me nearly £7000 (over the next 4 years). With petrol at £4 plus a gallon, it will cost a fortune to run. Road tax is £105 s year (mine is just under 1000cc so costs less than a slightly bigger car which is about £180). However, I have to confess, I would much rather pay all this than take a 15 or 30 mile stroll to the next town! They don't call me 'lard arse' for nowt! |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: GUEST Date: 10 Jan 02 - 05:58 PM I have no oar in the argument that US gas prices are artificially manipulated for obscene profit, so I'll let that one lie for now. As temperatures have dropped, more healing oil is being used, leaving less pertoleum for gasoline and gas prices have risen. The other factor in auto fuel prices is federal and local taxes. By and large, the difference in price between diesel fuel and #2 home heating oil is the various highway taxes levied on the diesel fuel, and of course, the additives introduced to keep it from gelling in low temperatures - like the fuel line between the tank and the injectors, on a 0º F, -18º C day. In some areas where the state tax is prohibitive, some folks have been known to pump home heating oil out of their heating tanks and introduce it into their cars to save some money. This practice is frowned upon by taxation authorities, and requires additional deceptive practices. That having been said, here in NH where highway tax on diesel fuel (for private individuals - I can't speak for long haul truckers) is taken care of by a flat tax paid to the state, rather than an extra charge at the pump, there is still a difference between diesel and #2 fuel oil on most days, which probably has to do with federal taxes. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: DougR Date: 10 Jan 02 - 08:50 PM Jed: I think the profits that the tax man collects goes to help build highways and freeways. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: 53 Date: 10 Jan 02 - 10:17 PM thanks susan, i think that glenda has registered us over there so maybe so. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: kendall Date: 10 Jan 02 - 10:38 PM Where does the tax money go in the UK? Other than to your "free medical care"? Driving a car in England may be expensive, but, there must be many wealthy folks driving instead of taking the train. When I was there, Morticia picked me up at the airport in London and drove me to Hampshire. On the return trip, she drove me back to London, and, the roads were plugged solid with people going like the hammers of hell on the wrong side of the road! No way would I drive in Southern England. It's worse than Boston. When I went to visit Micca in London, I took the train. It was a bit pricey, but, it was not crowded, and, it was on time. Quite pleasant, actually. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Devilmaster Date: 10 Jan 02 - 11:22 PM ya know ddw, my friend, I blame you, you mentioned yesterday that prices in windsor were 57 cents a litre or so, went up 7 cents overnight to 64 today. Had to go mention it! :) Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: wysiwyg Date: 10 Jan 02 - 11:34 PM That's great, Bob! Did you use your same Mudcat name? See ya there! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Julie B Date: 11 Jan 02 - 08:25 AM Ebbie, Regarding: "in the UK and wherever else there is easy, convenient rail and bus service" If you're implying that the UK has an easy convenient rail and bus services then you've obviously got us mixed up with some other country! Outside of London, you're very lucky if you can find reliable affordable public transport for the journeys you need to make. Most train prices are so astronomical that it's usually cheaper (even with our expensive petrol) to take the car even with just one occupant. Also, services are so unreliable that I wouldn't dare risk taking one if I had to be somewhere at a certain time. I'm not exactly poor, but I see a train journeys in the UK as an expensive luxury. Mind you, if I take the car, I also think of buying a cup of tea at motorway service stations as a luxury too; I go thirsty at those places where it's now £1.95 a cup! Julie B |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Crane Driver Date: 11 Jan 02 - 08:15 PM From my house to my office by car - 35 minutes Same journey by bus - 2hours 5 minutes No contest Convenient public transport in the UK? My a*@e. In the UK, petrol tax is used to raise extra revenue without raising income tax, which is politically more sensitive. BUT most of the richest people don't buy their own petrol, its a perk from their companies. So its a greater tax burden on poorer folk. Since the government now get so much of their revenue from fuel tax, there's no way they are going to promote a real alternative to the car. Income tax is fairer than fuel tax as a way of raising government revenue. Discuss.
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Jan 02 - 12:14 AM Why is the price of gasoline more important than potatoes?
Without one there is starvation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: 53 Date: 12 Jan 02 - 12:15 AM gas in my town went up 2cent a gallon today from yesterday, why do you reckon, cause the god damn arabs need more money, hell no, the government has no balls to stand up and put a stop to this shit. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: allie kiwi Date: 12 Jan 02 - 01:16 AM Why is the price of gasoline more important than potatoes? Without one there is starvation. I think we all buy our petrol from a similar source, so differences in price are more easily determined. Potatoes are generally not imported and pricing relies on internal marketing within a country. Allie |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: GUEST Date: 12 Jan 02 - 01:19 AM 53 with your breath consider switching to ethanol, get off the mudcat, and get out more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: 53 Date: 12 Jan 02 - 01:42 AM guest, you can kiss my ass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: GUEST Date: 12 Jan 02 - 01:43 PM BOB, GO EDUCATE YOURSELF... YOU THINK ITS THE ARABS THAT ARE GETTING THAT EXTRA 2 CENTS? Jeez, I cant talk like that, it even seems too LOUD to ME....(not to mention getting garlic spit all over the screen) So the Govt. has no balls at the moment? You must be the only one that thinks so, but I guess you dont even notice how unique you are in anything... |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: Crane Driver Date: 12 Jan 02 - 02:43 PM How do you think potatoes get to the shops - on foot? The price of road fuel impacts on the price of everything. The retailers pass it on, and who ends up paying? We do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: price of gasoline From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Jan 02 - 03:41 PM Good cheap public transport is a reality in some parts of Europe, but by no means in England. It used to exists in some parts anyway, but Maggie and here admirers in boith politucal parties saw to that.
The big diferrence here in Europe from the States seems to be that people live a lot more locally than they do in the Sates. It seems that if you live 50 miles apart over there you are considered as living close together. No way for most of us.
Maybe if the petrol prices were up to European levels people would drive a bit less, and that wouldn't be a bad thing.
Taxes - well, apart from health, roads, schools, libraries, fire-services, police, armies... Some good things in there anyway. Be a bit pricey paying for all that out of our pockets as and when we needed it.
"Sorry mate, you aren't insureed. we'll have top let your house burn down. Now if you'd been living in a semi with a next door neighbour who was insured maybe we'd have been able to put your fire out by accident... I could sell you a bucket, mind!" |