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Subject: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: GUEST,Steven Date: 17 Jan 02 - 10:32 PM Does anyone know where a copy of this late 18th? century work exists, and has it been reprinted in our century? Very curious, thanks, Steven |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: Naemanson Date: 17 Jan 02 - 10:34 PM Steven, there are a couple of Dibdin's songs in the book One Hundred English Songs published originally by Cecil Sharp. I don't know about the work you mentioned but I shall follow this thread with considerable interest. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: masato sakurai Date: 18 Jan 02 - 02:46 AM "Tom Bowling" may be most famous. The lyrics and discussions are at these threads:
Tune Req: Tom Bowling - Eureka! ~Masato |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: masato sakurai Date: 18 Jan 02 - 03:03 AM P.S. See Leslie Nelson's The Contemplator's Short Biography of Charles Dibdin. There's a book: SEA-SONGS by Charles Dibdin (Collected and Arranged with a Memoir by T. Dibdin with twelve illustrations by George Cruikshank) (Click here). |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: Charley Noble Date: 18 Jan 02 - 08:44 AM I have a copy of the 3rd edition, 1854, entitled SONGS OF THE LATE CHARLES DIBDIN, with lovely illustrations by G. Cruikshank ("Saturday Night at Sea" being one of the more copied ones), and additional songs by his son and grandson. My copy surfaced on the internet site Bookfinder.com If you're looking for a particular song, I'd be happy to look it up. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: Snuffy Date: 18 Jan 02 - 09:19 AM Do I recall that Hugill was quite contemptuous of Dibdin's efforts - something like " I suppose that's all you can expect from someone who never went to sea"? |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: Charley Noble Date: 18 Jan 02 - 10:27 AM Snuffy, Hugill could well said something like that. Many of the "sea songs" were composed for parlor singing, some made it into taverns, some were sold on the streets as "Broadsides", and some did make it out to sea and came back vastly improved by folk-processing. I'm still in the process of reviewing his songs, none of which note any tunes, but so far I haven't found any that are compelling candidates for singing. The steel engravings, however, are superb. Apparently Didbin wrote more than 1300 songs, and his sons over twice that. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: GUEST,steven Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:48 PM Thanks for the replies, it helps me greatly with my research. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: Dave Bryant Date: 24 Jan 02 - 06:25 AM If anyone's interested in "Parlour" sea-songs try getting hold of a copy of Ashton's "Real Sailor's Songs" (the word "Real" is somewhat of a misnomer), John Foreman produced a re-print of it about 20 years ago. It's basically a set of bound broadsheets and besides the songs a great source for wood-cut illustrations. I don't think there's any Dibdin in it though. Mind you I also once heard Stan say that he thought some sailors did write the odd song to sell on the shore - a bit like musical scrimshaw ! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: nutty Date: 24 Jan 02 - 06:37 AM If you look for Dibdin in the Bodleian Broadsides there are hundreds of references BODLEIAN LIBRARY |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: nutty Date: 24 Jan 02 - 06:40 AM I should also have said ........ follow the link ..... choose "browse"......... choose the index to show "author/performer ............. enter "Dibdin" ............click on "show index" ......... |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: Charley Noble Date: 24 Jan 02 - 01:39 PM The last time I reviewed Ashton's Real Sailor Songs I did find a Dibdin song or two. Most of these songs would be best described as "broadsides," song sheets that were sold to anyone wandering the streets of "sailortown." What was interesting to me was to see what some songs looked like before they were adopted by sailors and folk-processed. Ashton's book, original "working" copies as well as reprints are still available at Bookfinder.com for not unreasonable sums. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: GUEST,Chanteymatt Date: 24 Jan 02 - 02:56 PM Hey, folks! thanks for the references. I was wondering where to find some Dibdin. Now, if I can just get it to stay lit.... |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: Bob Bolton Date: 24 Jan 02 - 10:00 PM G'day,
Snuffy said, above: Do I recall that Hugill was quite contemptuous of Dibdin's efforts - something like " I suppose that's all you can expect from someone who never went to sea"? Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Help: Didbin's Naval Airs (Dibdin?) From: Charley Noble Date: 25 Jan 02 - 03:10 PM Drat! Someone scoffed up all the John Ashton inexpensive reprints of Real Sailor Songs on Bookfinder.com before I got mine. Cheers to you, Bob! |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Jim Dixon Date: 12 Oct 10 - 11:58 PM Wikipedia says: "Dibdin's patriotic sea-songs (painting the simple loyalty and manly courage of the British sailor) and their melodious refrains powerfully influenced the national spirit and were officially appropriated to the use of the British navy during the war with France." Although I have found several references in various works to "Dibdin's Naval Airs," there seems to be no publication with that exact title. This may be useful: Sea Songs and Ballads by Dibdin and Others (London: Bell and Daldy, 1865). Unfortunately, it contains lyrics only, no musical notation. CONTENTS. A Dose for the Dons A Drop of the Creature A History of the War A Sailor's Apology for Bow Legs A Sailor's Ditty A Salt Eel for Mynheer A Wet Sheet and a Flowing Sea All's One to Jack All's Well At Sea Ben Backstay Ben Block Ben Block Ben Bolt Bill Bobstay Billy Moore Black-Eyed Susan Bleak Was the Morn Blow High, Blow Low Blow, Boreas, Blow Bonny Kate Britannia's Name British Sailors Have a Knack Brother Jack Bryan and Pereene Buxom Nan Change for a Guinea Charming Kitty Childe Harold's Song Come If You Dare Come, Bustle, Bustle Comely Ned Constancy Davy Jones's Locker Deep in the Orlop's Darksome Shade Drear, Dark, and Dreadful Low'red the Sky Dublin Bay Duke William's Ramble Duncan and Victory Each Bullet Has Its Commission Each His Own Pilot England's Dead English Ale Every Bullet Has Its Billet Every Inch a Sailor Far, Far upon the Sea Foretop Morality Gallant Tom Grieving's a Folly Grog and Girls Happy Jerry Hark! the Boatswain Harry Bluff Hearts of Oak Heaving of the Lead Honesty in Tatters Hurrah for England I Sail'd in the Terrible Frigate I Went to Sea Jack Anchor Jack at Greenwich Jack at the Opera Jack at the Windlass Jack Come Home Jack Ratlin Jack's Advice to His Friend Jack's Alive Jack's Claim to Poll Jack's Fidelity Jack's Gratitude Jervis for Ever Lash'd to the Helm Life's a Troubled Sea Life's like a Ship Life's Weather Gauge Little Ben Loose Every Sail to the Breeze Loss of the Royal George Lovely Nan Lovely Polly Love's Probation Magnanimity Moorings Musing on the Roaring Ocean My Poll and My Partner Joe Nancy Nancy and Home Nancy Dear Nanine, or the Emigrant Nature and Nancy Nelson and Warren Nothing like Grog Now Safe Moor'd Oh! Firm as Oak Old England's Wooden Walls One Our Country Is Our Ship, D'ye See Peaceful Slumb'ring on the Ocean Poor Ben Poor Jack Poor Joe the Marine Poor Shipwreck'd Tar Poor Tom Rock'd in the Cradle of the Deep Roll, Liquid Mountains, Roll Rule Britannia Saturday Night at Sea Sea Fight at Malago Since, Jack, Thou Art a Seaman's Son Slinging the Bowl Song Song Song Song of the Sea-Fight in Amboyna Sounding the Bowl Steady She Goes, All's Well Still from Care and Thinking Free Sweethearts and Wives Swizzy Tack and Half Tack Tack and Tack The Albion The Anchor A-Peak The Anchor's Weighed The Arethusa The Arrival of Nelson's Corpse The Battle of La Hogue, or Russell's Triumph The Battle of the Baltic The Bay of Biscay The Best Bower Anchor The Blind Sailor The Boy in Blue The Brave Old Temeraire The British Flag Flies at the Main The Busy Crew The Cabin Boy The Canary Bird The Carfindo The Death of Nelson The Death of Nelson The Exile's Farewell The Flowing Can The Flying Dutchman The Forecastle Man The Girl Ashore The Good Ship the Kitty The Greenwich Pensioner The Heart of a Tar The Insulted Sailor The Irish Sailor The Jolly Young Waterman The Land, Boys, We Live In The Last Shilling The Letter N The Look Out The Lugger The Mariner's Dream The Mariner's Glee The Mariner's Song The Mid-Watch The Minute Gun The Nancy The Neglected Tar The Old Commodore The Origin of Gunpowder The Pilot The Pilot The Post-Captain The Press Gang The Pride of the Ocean The Return of the Admiral The Reward of Fidelity The Sailor The Sailor The Sailor's Adieu The Sailor's Bring Up The Sailor's Consolation The Sailor's Dirge The Sailor's Dream The Sailor's Funeral The Sailor's Journal The Sailor's Lady The Sailor's Lament for the Sea The Sailor's Maxim The Sailor's Request The Sailor's Sheet Anchor The Sailor's Will The Sapling The Sea Fight The Sea, the Sea The Sea-King The Shannon and Chesapeake The Ship on Fire The Shipwreck The Signal to Engage The Snug Little Island The Spanish Armada The Standing Toast The Storm The Stormy Petrel The Tar of All Weathers The Tizzies The Token The Veteran in Retirement The Veterans The Victory of Trafalgar The Voyage of Life The War Is Over The White Squall The Wife The Wreck Three Cheers Three Fishers Went Sailing Tight Lads of the Ocean To All You Ladies Now at Land To My Messmates at Sea Tom Bowling Tom Tackle Was Poor Tom Tough Tom Truelove's Knell Topsails Shiver in the Wind True Courage True English Sailor 'Twas When the Seas Were Roaring Wapping Old Stairs We Conquer, Dear Girls, But for You Well It's No Worse What If the Sailor Boldly Goes When In War on the Ocean When Last from the Straits When Last in the Dreadful While up the Shrouds Whistling Dick Who Cares Will Watch Ye Free-Born Sons Ye Gentlemen of England Ye Mariners of England Yo, Heave, Ho |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 13 Oct 10 - 08:04 AM There are performances of at least 3 Dibdin songs on Strawheads "Sweethearts Salts and Sailors" CD: Tom Tough, Yo Heave Ho and The Lass that loved a Sailor. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Charley Noble Date: 13 Oct 10 - 08:20 AM Jim- I'm surprised there's not a scanned version available on-line by now. But your song title list is a great advance. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Jim Dixon Date: 13 Oct 10 - 09:14 AM Here's another book that is viewable online (at least in the US): The Songs of Charles Dibdin, Chronologically Arranged, with Notes, Historical, Biographical, and Critical; and the Music of the Best and Most Popular of the Melodies, with new Piano-Forte Accompaniments Vol. I. (London: How & Parsons, 1842). - None of the songs in this volume have musical notation. Vol II. (London: G. H. Davidson, 1848). – Some songs have music. SONGS TO WHICH THE MUSIC IS GIVEN. TITLE. - FIRST LINE. A Little - Wid mi Lor' Anglois I came over un valet Advice - Old Mary, her poor husband dead All Girls - No more of waves and winds the spurt All's One to Jack - Though mountains high the billows roll Anna, Anne, Nan, Nance, or Nancy - My love's a vessel trim and gay Anne Hatheawaye - Would ye be taughte, ye feather'd thronge Bottom; or, Tol de Rol - Of all the lives that e'er was liv'd Broken Gold - Two real lovers, with one heart Captain Wattle - Did you ever hear of Captain Wattle? Change for a Guinea - Jack Binnacle met with an old shipmate Cheap Experience - I were but in our village a country clown Clemency - Say, soldier, which of glory's charms Echo - When from the glowing blush of morn Every Man's Friend - Come, all jolly topers! the toast as ye pass Father, and Mother, and Suke - Says my father, says he, one day, to I Gallant Tom - It blew great guns, when gallant Tom Grizzle - 'Twas one morning in May, the weather but queer Jack at Greenwich - We tars are all for fun and glee Jack Junk - 'Twas one day at Wapping, his dangers o'erhauling Jack's Advice to His Friend - Why, Tom, thou'rt a seaman; and may ev'ry wind Jack's Alive - Sweet Nancy Nouse and Jack Jibboom Jack's Claim to Poll - Would'st know, my lad, why ev'ry tar Jack's Fidelity - If ever a sailor was fond of good sport Jacky and the Cow - There were Farmer Thrasher, and he had a cow Kickaraboo - Poor Negro say one ting,—you no take offence Life like a Troubled Sea - This life is like a troubled sea Life's Weather-Gauge - I'm for Tom Tiller's golden maxim Love at Fifty - When I told you your cheeks wore the blush of the rose Lovely Nan - Sweet is the ship, that, under sail Love's Probation - 'Tis said, that love, the more 'tis tried Mad Peg - The gloomy night stalk'd slow away Magnanimity - When once the din of war's begun Meg of Wapping - 'Twas Landlady Meg that made such rare flip Moorings - 'I've heard,' cried out one, 'that you tars tack and tack' Mounseer Nongtongpaw - John Bull, for pastime, took a prance Mrs. Runnington's Wig - Mistress Runnington wore a wig Nancy - You ask how it comes that I sing about Nancy Nancy Dear - Why should the sailor take a wife Nancy's the Name - One Shakspeare, a bard and a poet of fame Nature and Nancy - Let swabs, with their vows, their palaver, and lies Ned That Died at Sea - Give ear to me, both high and low No Good without an Exception - The world's a good thing; ah! how sweet and delicious One - Up the Mediterranean Philanthropy - Tell me not of men's follies, their whims and caprices Poll and My Partner Joe - I was, d'ye see, a waterman Pope Joan - The board is dress'd, come deal away Rational Vanity - Man, poor fork'd animal, why art thou vain? Second Thoughts Are Best - 'I never shall survive it,' cried Lumkin in despair Smiles and Tears - The weather, the land, and all those that dwell in it Tack and Half-Tack - The Yarmouth Roads are right a-head The Advantages of Toping - Some say topers should never get mellow The Anchorsmiths - Like Etna's dread volcano, see the ample forge The Barber's Shop - 'Twas Saturday night; six went the clock The Best Bower Anchor - I have oftentimes thought it a wondersome thing The Can of Grog - While up the shrouds the sailor goes The Flowing Bowl - Of all Heav'n gave to comfort man The Irish Wake - Life's as like as can be to an Irish Wake The Irish Wedding - Sure won't you hear what roaring cheer The Labourer's Welcome Home - The ploughman whistles o'er the furrow The Lady's Diary - Lectur'd by Pa and Ma o'er night The Last Shilling - As pensive one night in my garret I sat The Look-Out - Old Cunwell, the pilot, for many a year The Lover - Long by some fair one was I trick'd The Nancy - Mayhap you have heard that as dear as their lives The Nautical Anatomist - Jack Jigger, a curious and whimsical tar The Perpetual Motion - Lord help you poor lubbers ashore The Sailor's Defence - If tars of their money are lavish The Sailor's Journal - 'Twas post meridian half-past four The Sailor's Lesson - Since, Jack, thou'rt a seaman's son The Sailor's Maxim - Of us tars 'tis reported, again and again The Sailor's Will - The network stow'd with hammocks all The Sapling - In either eye a ling'ring tear The Sheepshearers - Our sheepshearing over, surround the gay board The Shipwreck'd Tar - Escap'd with life in tatters The Soldier's Farewell and Return - Though hard the valiant soldier's life The Soldier's Funeral - The martial pomp, the mournful train The Spectre - Cosmelia the fair, of the virtues the care The Tear of Sensibility - When to man the distinguishing form The Thrasher; or, A Jug of Brown Ale - Can any king be half so great The Token - The breeze was fresh, the ship in stays The Veteran in Retirement - Though laid up in port, and not outward bound The Veterans - Dick Dock, a tar at Greenwich moor'd The War is Over - Come, come, my lads! the war is o'er The Welcome - What if the Sailor boldly goes The Wig Gallery - Walk in, walk in! each beau and belle The Wind and the Rain - All nature was sportive, serene was the morning Three Cheers - When to weigh the boatswain's calling Tol de Rol - I went to sea all so fearlessly Tom Tackle - Tom Tackle was noble, was true to his word Tom Tough; or, Yo Heave Ho! - My name, d'ye see,'s Tom Tough; I've zeed a little service Tom Truelove's Knell - Tom Truelove woo'd the sweetest fair True Courage - Why, what's that to you if my eyes I'm a wiping Tue Cornish Miners - Why, measter, damn tha! whoa beest thee? Variety in One - In one shouldst find variety Water-Cresses - Jack come home, his pockets lin'd Who Cares? - If lubberly landsmen, to gratitude strangers |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Oct 10 - 03:44 PM The volume Sea Songs and Ballads by Dibdin and Others, linked by Jim Dixon Oct 12 2010, properly credits the songs of Thomas and Charles jr., rather than lumping the three together. It also notes those of Thomas D. that were set to music by Braham. The authors also are properly credited in Songs of Charles Dibdin by Thomas Dibdin (addena of songs by Thomas and Charles jr.). Also on line by google. Several anthologies of sea songs credit only Charles sr. for songs by all three. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Artful Codger Date: 15 Oct 10 - 05:40 AM Jim, thanks so much for pointing out that Volume 2 has music, and listing the songs there with music. When I looked at the first volume and found no tunes, I didn't bother to go further. I've been wanting to find more Dibdin songs with tunes; given his former popularity, it's rather disappointing to find so few of the tunes available online in any form (dots, ABCs, MIDIs or clips). These may mostly be operatic, stage or parlor songs, but he knew how to crank out good tunes. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Charley Noble Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:13 AM Jim- It's great to have so many tunes for the Dibdens's lyrics now available on-line. Now if we could only persuade someone to record MP3 samples of each, those of us who are still musically illiterate could more fully appreciate them. That actually would be a great project. I'd love to hear what the tune of "The Veterans - Dick Dock, a tar at Greenwich moor'd" is, for example; it was printed in my 1854 edition with a great graphic by George Cruikshank. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:38 AM You'll find my stab at Tom Bowling, here |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: EBarnacle Date: 15 Oct 10 - 11:44 AM John, the melody you use is very similar to but smoother than the version used by John Townley in his album, "Top Hits of 1776." |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Oct 10 - 01:40 PM Charley look at the illustration on the broadsheet at the Bodleian, Harding B 10(17), dated 1806. Interesting! "The Veterans" here titled "Dick Dock." Also Titled "Dick Dock" or "Lobster & Crab." Sometimes the broadsheets indicate a tune, but none here (three different printings on line at the Bodleian). |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Charley Noble Date: 15 Oct 10 - 11:22 PM Q- Could you provide a link to Bodleian, Harding B 10(17), dated 1806. I'm getting totally lost in the on-line Bodleian files. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Artful Codger Date: 16 Oct 10 - 04:56 PM Will some Mudelf kindly fix my italic closure above (http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=43227#3007588) and delete this message? Thanks, I don't like to lean for excessive periods. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 16 Oct 10 - 11:11 PM Charlie, I quit trying to link the Bodleian that way! Get the Bodleian site- Bodleian Then Click on Browse/Search. That brings up Browse index. Type in Dick Dock and the three broadsheets come up on the list. Then click on "Dick Dock or the Lobster and the Crab" and - dick's your uncle, as the English say. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: Abby Sale Date: 28 Feb 20 - 05:27 PM Charley Noble, et al, I find a fourth verse for Saturday Night At Sea (https://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=5188) in Huntington, _Songs the Whalemen Sang_, 1964, p66 gives the Clayton/Ship Samuel Robertson verses as Florida 1843 (two years before the "Robertson" log). He gives an additional verse from _Mammoth Songster_, Boston 1866. This may be the same as Dibden. Come messmates fill the cheerful bowl Tonight let no one fail No matter how the billows roll Or roars the ocean gale There's toil and danger in our lives But let us jovial be And drink to sweethearts and to wives On Saturday night at sea. Huntington adds, "So if the weather was fair, Saturday night meant a little while on deck to sing and relax, and depending on the skipper, perhaps there was even an issue of grog." (Somehow, the blue clicky flat refused to work.) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dibdin's Naval Airs From: EBarnacle Date: 02 Mar 20 - 05:21 PM Dibdin's brother was captain of a West Indiaman. I believe that Tom Bowling was written as a memorial to him. |
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