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Subject: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: Devilmaster Date: 24 Jan 02 - 12:39 AM It's almost February, and for us racing fans in N. America, that means a new racing season is upon us. I get to a few races each year, (somewhat less this year unfortunately) and was wondering if any other catters were racing fans. I am a fan of NASCAR and CART and F1. (not necessarily in that order) And so I will be going to both NASCAR races at Michigan Speedway, and CART races in Toronto, Mid-Ohio and maybe Montreal. This year I lost my regular CART races of Belle Isle, Michigan Speedway and Nazareth. Here's to hopin Chris Pook can do some good. So Montreal is a thought, and we were thinking of Chicago. Australia is down the road, as my friend Jeff has an AirCanada Visa, and gets air miles on his card. He will pay for the flights, we take a week before Surfer's Paradise, travel a bit, and then put in the race. So anyways, any fans? What races are you planning to go to? Anyone go full out with camping in the infield? Kinda wondering if their will be a chance at meeting some fellow catters who also share the love of racing. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: Devilmaster Date: 24 Jan 02 - 03:19 PM hmmm.....doesn't look good so far.... Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 24 Jan 02 - 03:29 PM Oh, I thought you meant horseracing! Well anyway the flat season is nearly here and this year I'll be at the racecourses in the north of England, trining to make a few bob (Beverley, York, & Doncaster).I'm not sure exactly wich meetings I,ll be at yet but I will almost definetley be at the St Leger (Doncaster usullly around the 17th).If any other catters are going to any flat meetings this season and fancy meeting up for the day, give us a shout.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: Murray MacLeod Date: 24 Jan 02 - 03:54 PM I thought this was a horseracing thread too. One of the big NASCAR meetings takes place here in Homestead FL each November. If betting on these car races were ever allowed I would be tempted to attend .... Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: Devilmaster Date: 24 Jan 02 - 04:03 PM hmmm..... guess I should have the thread title changed...
I will sometime later this year, (depending on my cash flow) be attending one of the racing schools in the Americas.... I would like to go to Skip Barber Racing School but its in American dollars and the Canadian lonnie keeps on going further down, so I will probably go to Basi Autosport Racing School which is the former Jim Russell Racing school in Canada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: catspaw49 Date: 24 Jan 02 - 04:14 PM Yeah DM....We can talk. I'm just waiting for Speedweeks and listening to everyone bitch about the rules for the spoilers. I like CART, but I thinks it's gone to hell and that's not the way I thought it would work out. The IRL has really done some right things and if Pook can pull the rabbit out of the hat he'll be Harvey the Pooka. I raced myself in SCCA amateur stuff for almost 10 years (FF-FB-FormAtl) and have followed racing all my life. I wish I'd ever had all it takes to get into midgets and sprinters, but it never happened. I used to love F1 but if anything is more boring to watch, including golf, I can't think what it is! The silly season is more entertaining than the racing itself. Technology has really reduced the driver more in F1 than almost anywhere else. There will always be the Schumachers but as a whole, I'd like to see a lot less car sophistcation and more driver input. F1 needs to do something to make it more competitive and less like a parade. The IRL I thought was the ultimate joke but they have really put things together and I haven't seen Indy cars race as closely as they do in years. This year promises to be even better and I am finally having to admit that what they have built is something American open wheel racing needed. Given some more time and development we might see an open wheel division that will hold drivers like Jeff Gordon in open wheel racing. Bringing us to NASCAR. I've always liked stockers and grew up going to tracks that ran sprinters and midgets and also stock cars. It has always been fun to watch the big boys though. They keep it close and for all the friggin' rule manipulations, they still put on a great show and some exciting racing. I'm less eneamored of Daytona/Talledega and the simpleass restricter plate racing, but tracks like Martinsville, Darlington, Charlotte, Rockingham......that's some fine racing. New rules and new ways of breaking them....that's NASCAR. But moreover, it's a helluva' lot more exciting, even going round in a circle, than damn near anything else until you get back to going to the local tracks. I think they will probably sit on the "retaliation" a bit this year, but "layin' a little metal on 'em" is a part of the game. Enough for now.......I might be at Mid-Ohio this year. Don't know. That's a good track to drive and a good one to watch at. Jim Trueman was a real boost to the sport and to CART in it's early days and Mid-Ohio was a great idea and carried off well. He was an active local SCCA racer too and a fine man. I knew him fairly well at one time and I think there are fewer and fewer of his type left in CART especially. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: LittlePagan Date: 24 Jan 02 - 05:03 PM I'll be at Daytona with my Father this February to take in the 500. He has missed one 500 since they started racing on the track back in the early 60's. This will be my 4th 500. As a child, I always wanted to go with him and now that his "racing buddies" have either died or aged out, I get to go. What I enjoy are the stories he tells about the early years. He and 3 friends sleeping in a car parked on the beach. Zahn hiding in the trunk to get into the in-field as he didn't have the $5. ticket fee. How it used to be "real" racing with no restrictor plates. Times have changed. You can no longer sleep on the beach, $5 won't even buy a beer, and it seems NASCAR restricts more every year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: Devilmaster Date: 24 Jan 02 - 07:45 PM Ya know, Spaw, I think we could probably sit down and gab for hours on racing. I'm hoping that down the road after taking the course I will get my SCCA license, and be able to do some good racing. I'm too old to make a good career out of it, but its something I enjoy, so why not have fun with it. I might really have to get those mid-ohio tickets.... Recieved the phamphlet in the mail not too long ago for this year's events at the track...... tempting ......tempting.... CART is my first love, although I want to strangle almost every owner who is on the board of directors. I think Chris Pook will do a good job if the owners allow him to. If not, CART will be dead in less than 5 years, IMO. When Penske jumps ship, you'd better start looking around for all your nearest emergency exits. NASCAR is fun to watch, cause there is nothing like the sights, sounds and smell of that first lap as they go by at full speed. I really don't personally get into IRL, mostly because of the fact that the regular owners before this year, were the has-beens and never-weres of CART before the split. But CART does not help itself, by shooting itself in the foot constantly. I do like local track racing, when I get a chance to see it, our group tries to get to Cayuga every now and then, and one of our friends drives on the CASCAR circuit. (Canadian equivalent of Busch North or ARCA). Here I go again, jammerin on. Always happens when I start talkin racin. :) Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: Chip2447 Date: 24 Jan 02 - 11:13 PM I guess it depends on how you are racing. As a bonifide, American midwesterner I might get shot for saying these things, but what the hell. Straight line 1/4 mile at a time, BORING. Drive fast turn left, drive fast tun left. Almost as bad. Anything run on a road course, with twisty bits and hills and weather be damned though and I'm hooked. Not for the crash and smash aspect. I like to watch skilled drivers wringing the most out of their machines. Sometimes they push the edge a little too far and bad things happen. Thankfully I have Speedvision. Touring cars, rallies, some F1, GT's, Trans-AM, Pikes peak is always kinda neat, as is the 5 ton trucks raced in Europe, (these folks are nutz). Chip2447 |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Racing Fans From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Jan 02 - 02:58 AM Sounds like you come from the same area I'm from, Devilmaster. My dad worked for Tidewater Oil Company in the 1950's, and the company sponsored several Indianapolis-style racers. Dad had to spend a month at Indianapolis every year, and I didn't get to go. When the races were in Detroit, I got to go in the pits and meet the drivers and watch the repairs. For a ten-year-old, that was pretty cool. -Joe Offer, born in Detroit- |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Devilmaster Date: 25 Jan 02 - 04:37 AM I live in Windsor, Ontario Joe. For racing, i'll pretty much go anywhere. Only my bank account (or lack thereof) stops me. Been doing Detroit pretty much since they started to go to Belle Isle. Toronto is the 'Jewel in the Crown' so to speak... we spend for what is called the 'Checker Flag Club'..... Meals and all you can drink for the three days.... 300 bucks canadian or so.... And thanks fer changing the title, mate. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Mr Red Date: 25 Jan 02 - 08:36 AM Personally my interest peaks at three wheels, with a bias to the fewer numbers of wheels. Fortunately I get Eurosport so I pick-up on NASCAR, CART and F1 on terrestial if I need to, though F1 is not the same since commentators Murry (Mr Enthusiast) Walker has retired and James Hunt no longer with us. It has all got a bit designer, even the computers that drive the F1 cars are not as good looking as they used to be. The bikes are only now allowing radio comms to the riders but it is all a bit too technology nowadays. now sidecars are just too cinderella for quite so much tech, and as for sliding and banging carbon fibre and seeing the riders well there is just more of it. Webbo for championship #8 this year, I reckon. AND he's British! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Steve in Idaho Date: 25 Jan 02 - 10:31 AM I've followed NASCAR for a while. I went to Sears Point a couple of years ago and believe it will be the only live race I'll ever see. Am fairly faithful watching the races but more often than not tape them and then watch without all the damn commercials. I was sick when NASCAR sold out to the networks - worst coverage I've ever seen. I've watched short track, dirt and paved, since I was a little kid. When I was stationed in N. Carolina in the mid 60s even went to a couple of races that I discovered later were NASCAR races. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Blackcatter Date: 25 Jan 02 - 11:48 AM Hi all, Frankly, I'm kind of embarrassed about my liking motorsports. Most of my friends don't know I really enjoy NASCAR, Drag Racing, Dirt Track and Motorcycles. I'm lucky, living in Central Florida puts me within 2 hours away from the GatorNationals (Drag) and Daytona's Bike Week, 500, Firecraker 400, 24 hours at Daytona and 3 hours away from Sebring. I'll be going to the GatorNationals and Bike Week this year. I like the motorsports for several reasons - one is simply the spectacle. In a culture that thinks more and more equals better, I enjoy the sheer power of racing - nothing can match the ground-shaking power - noise (I wear ear-plugs though) and the speed. I gues that's why I like drag racing the best - the sheer power. I also really appreciate the people who are in the sport. They seem much more friendly, and approachable. When I go to the GatorNationals, I usually attend only Thursday and Friday - not Sat. or Sun. - I hang out in the pits and I can ask questions of the mechanic and even the drivers. I grew up in San Bernardino in the 70's - at the time that was the home of many of the top drag racers - and it was wonderful to go out to the track and visit with the drivers and mechanics. Motorcycle racing is great too - I love the nimbleness of the bikes and how they look on a road course. pax yall |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Devilmaster Date: 25 Jan 02 - 03:58 PM I have to agree with you Black, I could (and usually) waste the first couple days before a race getting to the paddocks and pits to see the cars being worked on. Probably most of my collection of photos i've taken at races are paddock shots. In CART, you see the drivers, owners, announcers, and cars all up close and personal, and it really adds to the excitement. I mean its like getting into the locker room in any other professional sport. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Blackcatter Date: 26 Jan 02 - 12:24 AM I think that I may start taking my friends out to the local track. They do both dragracing and circle track and it's pretty fun (they even do school bus figure-8 racing occasionally). Problem is getting them to try something different. I don't know about the rest of the U.S. and Canada, but here in the South, auto racing is considered a "redneck" sport and I think my friends would be afraid they wouldn't fit in or something. (I'd like to think that they wouldn't "Look down" on the regular attendees). I know when I go, I can usually strike up a conversation with whomever I sit next to that is likely to last the entire event. It has some of the same atmosphere as a baseball game. pax yall |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: DonMeixner Date: 26 Jan 02 - 01:06 AM Given the choice between watching Nascar or neutering goats, I'll take the goats everytime. Stick your foot in it and turn left may be dangerous but it must be more fun to do than it is to watch. Except for a brief time with ice racing I have had no interest in Auto racing since Juan Fangio stopped racing his old Alpha at the Watkins Glenn Vintage Car Races in the early 70's. He retired from actual F1 Gran Prix in 1958. Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Mr Red Date: 26 Jan 02 - 06:11 AM When I see the modern MX riders I cannot help but recall pictures of Gladiators and medaevel Knights. For all the episodic boredom/bash of the "turn left, turn left, turn left, turn left, what do I do next?" styles, I feel it is a pretty worthwhile surrogate for other mass market adrenalin rushes. Riots, wars, blah blah blah. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Blackcatter Date: 26 Jan 02 - 02:28 PM Hey Don, Doing anything is probably better that watching it - and don't forget there's plenty of right turns in racing - even drag racers urually turn right at the end of the quarter mile. Also, some people like to see the "playing for position" that is typical in most NASCAR races. That's probably why I like the circle tracks more than Indy and Cart - there's not as much passing (in my opinion) in those road races. I like drag racing because of the simplicity of the sport. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Jan 02 - 03:56 PM The left turn thing has always been an issue with a lot of people as has the hilljack image of roundy-round racing. They both influenced me. I loved foreign cars, loved GP, thought Colin Chapman has a god, and all of that. Yet I still loved the midgets and sprinters and the Indy cars I'd grown up with. But when it came time to try it myself, I went the road racing route because I thought it had more "class." (Early 70's) Since then I've come to realize that those good ol' boys are anything but dumb shitkickers in every phase of racing a car, be it building chassis, engines, set-ups, or driving. I also know that though there are "just 4 turns" no two are necessarily alike. All that aside now, I enjoy just about any form of motorsports and the ones that keep the cars the closest together are always more entertaining than the parades now so common in GP. In '72, I went to Bondurant and did the week. It was the best thing I did. What I learned I never forgot and used all the time. Learning to be smooth is such a difficult task. did you ever watch the real greats up close? I was at a Can-Am race at the Glen and I watched Jackie Stewart come through one corner all afternoon. If you could have painted a one inch stripe on his right front tire and imbedded a dime in the pavement, the stripe would have crossed the dime every time. Same line exactly. And he seemingly drove with such ease! To be that comfortable and focused in any race car is phenomenal and only the very best can do it. anyone who believes there is nothing athletic in racing has never spent a 95 degree day in a poorly ventilated cockpit wearing a firesuit, underwear, balaclava, and helmet......while travleling at ridiculous speeds. Talking NASCAR for a minute........There have beensome of the greatest drivers ever to come out of the stock car ranks and the field has quite a few today. Earnhardt was a great loss as he was probably more comfortable in that car than he was at home in bed. Poor Jeff Gordon.....A damn yankee invading the ranks with great equipment and teams. I doubt that he will ever get the true respect he deserves nor will he ever take personal credit for his success, but he is a great and perhaps at the very top. Anyone who thinks the guy doesn't have killer instinct never watched him race in midgets and sprints. One night at IRP, he tangled with another car on the backstretch approaching turn three. His outside wheels went over the other car's inboard wheels and he was briefly airborne but landed and reamained on his two inside wheels until almost the entrance of three when the car dropped back onto four. I swear to you, I don't think he backed off the gas! He retained the position and went on to win the heat. Great drivers will be picked up by great teams and my only wish was that Jeff had gone the CART/IRL route because in an open wheel car he was as fearless as the best ever were. So when fans boo him in NASCAR and credit it to his team and equipment only, my mind's eye sees that 17 year old kid on a Friday night at IRP doing the impossible and never looking back. I used to feel that the IRL was a second or third class bunch at best and initially, I doubt they were even that. But the drivers have matured, they've brought some old pros back in, they have their rules in order, and the competition level is tight. When the top three cars cross the finish line less than a nose apart and they've been racing that way for 20 laps, it's hard to think of this as some kind of sub-par group. If it continues for another few years (or even shorter) as it has, the only thing missing will be a whining Andretti to make them complete. Enough for now........ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Devilmaster Date: 26 Jan 02 - 04:03 PM Taking one part of your message Spaw: What was Bondurant like? I have a collection of his phamplets, but it is expensive, to go to Phoenix, let alone his course. As someone who will be doing the course later this year, I would like to pick your brain. What was it like, good/bad things about it, things you remember most. What was your level of training when you went in? (karts, none, etc) How was the group you went in with? Everyone kinda on the same level? etc.etc.etc. Much abliged for the assistance, mate. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Jan 02 - 04:48 PM Okay Steve. Let me try anyway. The thing is, there are a LOT more schools today and from what I have read and heard, they are obviously more sophisticated in methods and emphasis too. I say this because what I can give you is 30 year old information!!! I have no idea what they teach now or how. I do think that the focus was quite good then in terms of driving basics and I think at times some of the newer schools emphasize a form of racing rather than car control. Know what I mean? There were about 7 or 8 of us and most had some experience, but like myself it was pretty limited. One guy had a mucho bucks and was racing in Trans-Am and another had never driven a lap in competition. I had a year in FV and a couple of years in SoloII. I had a used FF to strat the year and FF was pretty new then and the driver was a big part of the equation. We spent day one in the classroom and evryday after that there was probably an hour or two spent there covering details that you'd then go practice, first in a Datsun sedan and then in a couple of 240's. There were FF's for later and a couple of B Sports Racers at that time too. The calssroomtime was well spent in terms of thinking about tracks and turns, heel/toe and clutching/shifting, hand positions, throttle control, etc. The first thing I did in a car was to go around in a circle at ever increasing speeds which began to give me an idea of how to feather a throttle and touch a brake to keep the car stable. I amazed myself even! later I did the same routine in the 240 and it just was unreal how fast you could go if you treated the car gently. I mean hell, it only makes sense but back then all I knew was more of the manhandling variety of car UNcontrol. The skid pad stuff was fun and a great learning experience. Bondurant had moved then to Sears Point and we had several days of driving through various turn series and repeating them as well as some slower pylon work. In both cases we would start from some specified spot and be times through the turns or pylon sections. At first this was done with an instructor (Mark Hyde in my case) and as you cruised back to the start, they would critique you and you'd try it again. There are basically three types of turns and then there are the cambers of the turns. The three types in order of importance are a turn coming onto a straight, a turn coming off of a straight, and a turn between turns. Races are won on straights not in the turns, contrary to what a lot of people think. The old line about "I had him in the turns" always comes from a guy who finished second. Given exactly equal cars, the guy who can get onto a straight carrying the best speed and line and then come off the straight in control and at the best speed, will win every time over the guy who zips through the esses. So this was fun too. Learning how to "set" the car through lite braking and hitting the apexes (and finding them for that matter) took a lot of practice. We went on then to full laps and again with an instructor first, then solo, then moving up in cars. Oh yeah, before we soloed in the sedans, we also played a follow the leader with an instructor by twos. Then we started doing it for ourselves and timed and critiqued by observers around the track. Geeziz, I can't believe how clear these memories are! Thanks forstarting this thread Steve!!! Anyway, it was a dman full week and I was able to come back and look at any track in a different way, including my "home" track at Nelson Ledges. FF was very competitive from early on and my first year in it I gained enough points to go to the Run-Offs at Road Atlanta.......didn't do too well, but I had a good time. Then I got a B car and the training really paid off because of the increased speeds. My second year in FB I went to the Road Atlanta again and finished fifth. Same thing the following year, but seventh. Then I had a bad crash at Brainerd and I missed most of the year and came back in the beginnings of Formula Atlantic. It was a mistake because although I was single and made plenty of money, the division required more of everything and ol' Bondurant had that one other piece of wisdom that came true......"It isn't cubic inches that win races, it's cubic dollars." Anyway, I struggled along for a few years and became less fun all the time although I had some good results. Have fun and learn all you can. If you never drive a lap in competition, the schools are worth it....At least it was to me. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Devilmaster Date: 26 Jan 02 - 07:33 PM Spaw, how did you find heel and toe? something hard or relatively easy to learn.... I bought the 'Going Faster' book from Skip Barber, just so I could get a little read into the basics. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Blackcatter Date: 26 Jan 02 - 07:44 PM I had a lot of fun last summer at the Richard Petty Driving Experience out at Walt Disney's race track. A friend got a great deal on a pair of tickets - we spent the morning going over the cars, learning everything we needed to know to get behind the wheel. We then took several turns as a passenger around the track and eventually it was our turn to do several laps behind the wheel. Wow is all I can say. As for Jeff Gordon - now that Earnhardt's gone he's the best driver in NASCAR. If you ask any of the other drivers, they'll begrudgingly admit it's so. Gordon has helped change the face of NASCAR. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Jan 02 - 08:23 PM Hey BC!! I bet that was a kick! Karen's step-Dad did that last summer too up at Atlanta. Her sister and family went along and took pictures and this is a guy you never see more than a little smirk out of....He was smiling from ear to ear ... Literally!! I think if he'd died right then it would have suited him just fine!!! Steve, heel and toe isn't hard at all. Part of it is adjusting the pedals in a sedan for instance to keep them close together....We could get in my wife's Honda and I could have you doing it in 5 minutes. The other thing is, depending on the size of your foot, it's truly not heel and toe, but more of a side to side. My size always made formula difficult...back then I was still at about 205 and 6 foot, wearing size 12's. You think of it as pivoting your ankle joint left to right instead of up and down. NOW the key is to be able to get that pivot along with some up and down!!! Trust me, it's easy....just requires practice. I think it's one of those things you are reading and saying...."Sounds tough" and when you've done some you wonder what the big deal was. Depending on the car and how cramped the pedal area is, you can also use the technique to "power brake" instead of tapping the brake with your left foot to "set" the chassis before a corner. Even on a higher speed corner, the car is "up" on it's suspension under acceleration and going along...you tap the brake to lower it back to a more normal position and one that is more effective in a corner. Learning how much pressure is right for any situation is probably the hardest part of heel/toe. You'll be jerky at first, but with some practice, you'll amaze even yourself. You can apply this and many other things to regular road driving and your friends will be amazed too. Take a car nut for a ride and smoke into a turn with smooth but heavy braking, matching revs as you downshift and he'll think you're the reincarnation of Jimmy Clark. I'm beginning to envy your upcoming experience. When you learn and do this stuff right, it's a great sensation and like the first time you heard a great song or tasted some wondeful food for the first time, you can't repeat it. Of course when you start talking like this, some amateur shrink comes along and starts telling you about male macho and the car or bike as a phallic symbol, but fuck 'em.......It ain't got nothing to do with it. OKAY GROUP.......Tell me who are your favorite driver's of all time.......any form of racing.....and note I said FAVORITE" not Best. Fangio was already mentioned as well as Earnhardt and Gordon, but go back as far as you wish. Some of mine were not big winners in everything they did, but they had "something." I'll give you one of mine now.....Gary Bettenhausen. He was one of the best in sprinters and had that indomitable spirit that for me is so admirable. Lots of adversity, lots of bad rides and bad breaks, but Gary was a "racer" to the core. And he shared so much of what he knew all the time. Every rookie who came to Indy cold count on help from Gary Bettenhausen. I got more.........your turn! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: dick greenhaus Date: 26 Jan 02 - 08:37 PM If you dont mind a bit of promotional nepotism, try www.entropyracing.net Neither as pretentious nor as expensive as Mr Barber, but a relatively inexpensive way of getting you intop road racing on major tracks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Jan 02 - 08:49 PM Well damn Dick! That's great!!! Fun site too! Your son I assume????? Here's blue clicky to Entropy Racing.....Check it out Steve! Aren't you getting happier and happier you started this thread? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Jan 02 - 08:58 PM BTW Dick...GREAT TRUCK!!!! Nice photos and all, but I failed to see any sponsorship markings from Camsco Records.............. Spaw (:<)) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Blackcatter Date: 27 Jan 02 - 12:44 AM Favs: wow, that's hard. Currently, I like Gordon for NASCAR, but I really enjoy pulling for some of the older guys still racing and Dick Trickle has a name that would only work in a Southern U.S. dominated sport. Earlier ones - Richard Petty, of course, and Benny Parsons. Others would have to include Gordon Johncock, A.J. Foyt, and Juan Fangio. In drag racing - John Force, Don Prudhomme Kenny Bernstein and "Big Daddy" Don Garlits are my favorites. Also love Shirley Muldowney - probably the most successful woman in the top levels of any form of auto racing (18 Top Fuel wins out of 24 - puts her in the top 20 of all time Top Fuel wins). |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Blackcatter Date: 27 Jan 02 - 12:48 AM hey, also, I was just thinking. I used to listen to the John Boy and Billy Show (radio morning show out of North Carolina - very popular in the South) and there was a song they played about NASCAR - it was about a bout who parents were such NASCAR fans that they named him after nearly every important driver. I can't remember the song very well, but I'd love to have the lyrics. Anyone know it? I've looked around for it, even on their home page, but to no avail. take care all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: dick greenhaus Date: 27 Jan 02 - 08:24 PM Actually this is Charlie Greenhaus prompted to respond at Dick's provocation. Entropy Racing is precicely for the neophyte interested in giving roadracing a shot. difference between us and the other businesses in the field is that we offer a tremendous value (tracktime vs. $$$) and a much more personalized program where the customers actully make up the team and your instructor is likely to be me or a customer who was taught by me. As to the sponsorship mention, Dad's donations are offspring perks, not business decisions. Anyone who knows anything about roadracing knows that sponsorship is the same as thankless gift. Hope to hear from you. Charlie@entropyracing.net
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: Devilmaster Date: 27 Jan 02 - 09:05 PM Well, Charlie, when my finances are better in order, I will definitely be looking you up. Cheers, Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Mudcatter Auto Racing Fans From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Jan 02 - 09:15 PM Hi Charlie.....I had no idea you were a racer and as I said above, I like your site and you seem to have a pretty neat operation going there! I do love that hauler!!! Yeah, there isn't much in it for a road racer I know all too well. The comment about Camsco was just a little "dig" at your Dad. Even worse, I can just see a logo that says, "VISIT THE DIGITAL TRADITION--9000 Folksongs Available".......People would be walking past in the paddock saying, "What the hell????" ..LOL......Thanks for posting.....I think Steve is pretty interested in getting into it and you seem to have a lot to offer. Glad to see you here. Spaw |