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Subject: Guest threads From: DougR Date: 01 Feb 02 - 01:21 PM There has been a great deal of discussion lately about how "screwed up" the Mudcat is; how unhappy some folks are, etc. I posted to one of the threads recently questioning if I was the only one who realized that the majority of the threads designed to create trouble and dissension were posted by Guests. Ebbie (I think it was her) pointed out that others were aware of it and that was why they didn't contribute to them. Having some time on my hands this morning, I did a quick survey of existing threads on February 1, 2002. Fourteen divisive themed threads are displayed. Fourteen of them were originally posted by a Guest. I would not advocate adopting a policy whereby a guest could not post a thread. However, I can establish a policy of my own, and try very hard not to break it. I will not post a message to a thread that clearly is designed to be devisive if it originates with a Guest. I will respond to a thread, even though it may be devisive, if posted by a member, if the thread interests me. If others followed suit, a great deal of the bickering, bitching, moaning and groaning might be eliminated. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Feb 02 - 01:45 PM I can't be bothered much with the truly divisive ones, Doug, unless they inadvertently provide a rich field for some leavening humor, which some of them do on occasion. Sometimes GUESTS have useful things to say, and sometimes funny things. Like you, I'm ignoring the many crabby old threads which have been revived in the past 24 hours. They're boring, anyway. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Feb 02 - 01:47 PM Well Doug, most of those threads today were refreshes from our Troll Guest (TG) being cute and using a posting by Jeri to play his latest game. No big deal..... Yes, the "Approved Internet Solution" to deal with trolls and flamers is to completely ignore them and not respond. The problem is that this is a very verbal bunch of folks here and most are pretty happy and addicted to Mudcat, so it's difficult to just shut up. We all know what to do, but getting everyone to do it is something else. Most of us are past the point where we feel the need the need to defend the 'Cat and we know what a fine place it is, but there is always some one of us who will jump in and off the thread goes. But the 'Catters, although perhaps feeding the troll, have comeup over time with a different way too and that is jacking with them for our own amusement....Not the best idea to rid ourselves of them, but it takes on a lighter note and nobody really cares what the TG says. When the TG started the Lepus Rex thread and posted all that stuff on multiple threads about Lepus, I wrote a note to a "Big Elf" that it was crap and how about killing it. Before he got the note the responses were way up on the thread and 'Catters were already treating it as a joke and having fun.....including Lepus and after seeing it, me too. The thread pretty well fell apart and it's more the wasted space than anything else. If you took a poll of every member who posted there, I think all would agree to eliminate the whole thing if Max wanted to do it. I think the new filtering system will help on this a lot because every thread will be prefixed and filterable and the music only folks won't have to tolerate it at all. If it works that way, only the BS denizens will have the TG's to deal with and maybe we can come to the point where we don't respond or at least, as almost everyone does now, not take the situation seriously. Words hurt if you believe them and have some form of respect for the person saying them. No one has any respect for our TG's and there is no reason to take anything they say seriously. Maybe we'll see some thoughts from members and well known Guests (like Russ) on this thread and it will help us to let everyone get together. Hope so.(:<)) Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: DougR Date: 01 Feb 02 - 02:37 PM I realize it is probably a lost cause, Spaw and L.H., and I, too, have had some fun answering the TG's. I am going to try to resist the urge to post, however, as I said in the original thread, and as for everyone else, well the Ink Spots had a very successful recording of it ..To Each his Own, in the 1940's. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: little john cameron Date: 01 Feb 02 - 02:49 PM Spaw auld pal,how come ah've no' seen oney o' yer stories oan the Scribbler?ljc |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Steve in Idaho Date: 01 Feb 02 - 02:54 PM I'm being good - as are the rest - and the humor is definetely becomming more abundant. I'm just doing as the rest - being selective about where I post. I almost think it is a part of being a Catter - gotta react to the wierdness - to learn. I'm certainly learning more about what I have to share on the music threads and what I can learn also. As Jon said - the extra threads take so little space in the grand scheme of things that it is hardly a bother. Have a great weekend to all of you - Hope to see some of you in the music room on Sunday - Steve Spaw - Don't know if you got my message - Thanks for the brass bridge pins - NICE :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Feb 02 - 03:01 PM Spaw, as someone who only reads a small percentage of the threads running at any given time, I haven't read about this filter you mention. Is there a thread or a page you can link to here that tells us how it works? Is the filter in effect now? I also enjoyed seeing the way several regular 'catters diffused the divisive posts initiated by the trolling guest. I agree that making them go away permanently would save space on the server for worthwhile threads. The conversations this guest posts are the equivalent of someone coming into the house with dog poop stuck to his shoe. The shoe now doesn't belong in the house, it has to go back out onto the porch to be dealt with out there. And in this case, the guest stepped in his own, not in his dog's. And it smells offal. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 02 - 03:08 PM What has two legs and bleeds? Half a dog |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST,Les B. Date: 01 Feb 02 - 03:18 PM Timely thread, DougR. I was a bit startled today to scroll down and see so many negative topics glaring out of the thread list. While I'm not for censorship, perhaps the "elves" that run Mudcat could periodically (like every half-hour :)}bundle and label these topics in separate sub-sections or chapters, like the Faq. That way, if someone really wanted to investigate "Angst" or "Troll Crap," they could go those headings and get their daily dose! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST,in the Mudcat Observatory Tower Date: 01 Feb 02 - 03:30 PM The latest round of nastiness seems to have been set off by Lepus Rex's comment that he "hates" America. Maybe he was joking, maybe not, but that's not the kind of thing you can say after September 11th and not expect someone to react very badly to. Then, in the redundancy thread, Jeri provided links to virtually every anti-Mudcat thread of the past year. She made it real easy for trolls to revive all of those threads. As Homer Simpson might say, "D'oh!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 02 - 03:32 PM And maybe Les B, they should find a seperate place for you? Let's face it when did you last post something useful? That way people could just ignore your posts Easier for everyone
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Feb 02 - 03:38 PM Stilly River.........There are some format changes coming soon to Mudcat. Max and Jeff have been working on some new features and ways to make things a bit better for all. Every so often Max has reworked/tweaked some things to improve the place and this is yet another. I think there will probably be a number of changes and the rumors are flying, but I think Max has listened to a lot of input and the things that he may be working up will please most of us....always a few though who can't take it!! Anyway, it's been brought up by Max that there is an advanced filtering system that will allow us to pull up only the threads labeled whatever. In other words, filter out threads labeled BS, or perhaps Obit, or I guess combinations. I think it will mean that every thread has a label maybe and to do that it will be mandatory that we use them or have them added by a Joe Clone. Perhaps something in the "Create a New Thread" page that would force us to use a label? Wouldn't hurt to ask too that we check for older threads........I don't know what all he has planned or what he and Jeff have worked on but I'm looking forward to it and trust that it will solve some nagging problems here. Anyway Maggie, the update is due within about two months or less (last I heard/read) .... Til then, there is a substitute URL to use to filter out the BS threads, but I don't recall what it is although it has been posted a lot.....WYSIWYG (Susan) has it I know....Sorry I can't recall it right now. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST, Cookieless Member Date: 01 Feb 02 - 03:45 PM Well, I'm very much of the opinion that 'ignoring' them is not ALWAYS the answer...& I DON'T mean that I'm advocating flaming AT ALL. I've seen it elsewhere, & believe I've seen it at work here, where Trolls believe they have won, or at least scored a point if they can think they have discouraged people from posting to a thread....Hell, we have all seen it where they post more & more because they feel they ARENT getting a reaction, & with a Thread-based Forum, they can simply move to another Thread, or start one themselves. DELIBERATE Thread-creep is of course the reverse of that, & can work with some Trolls who lack staying power (I mean the sort of thing where we start talking recipes or something similar to show life goes on) - trouble is, we seem to have acquired someone with the boundless energy of MANIA. I can see that we are stuck with this individual for maybe a week or two....at which point he is likely to become SO disturbed that he will trash his Computer....or at the very least disregard the Internet in favour of running around the woods and/or talking at length to anyone & everyone about nothing in particular. No doubt he will be back in a few months or so, but we might get a respite for a while after this present blast of insanity. Thats ONE of them....there are, of course also the 'passing idiots'.... probably bored, dysfunctional teenagers (or older, still with that teen mentality) for the most part, who regard anything outside their sphere of 'peer & media imposed' likes & dislikes as fair game for harassment or ridicule. (After all, 'folk' = OLD = 'Authority Figures'). They are unlikely to have the attention span to stick around to see if they get any reaction, but thats not how they get their kicks...there fun is in doing something & getting away with it..same thing as littering, stealing auto hub-caps, or pointless graffiti. We are, of course, occasionally subject to the warped perceptions of yet another individual, but I'd rather not say too much about him. I'm still forming an opinion. I don't doubt that some of our kinder-hearted Members (no offence meant by that, of course) as well as those Trolls who wish to point to Mudcat as a nasty, horrible, unkind place will consider (or in the case of thse Trolls, PRETEND to consider) me as cruel & heartless. I'm honestly NOT....just 'cynical' I suppose is the right word. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST, Cookieless Member Date: 01 Feb 02 - 03:51 PM Hmmm....quite a lot happening while I was drafting that, it seems.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 02 - 03:54 PM the update is due within about two months Come on Spaw, It was going to 'happen' in a month last July, then October, then... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST, Cookieless Member Date: 01 Feb 02 - 04:02 PM Well, shit, Guest, that means youve had an extra 6 months in the playpen to try & annoy the grown-ups, so dont knock it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Feb 02 - 04:12 PM Well Guest, I'm not too concerned as Max has had a few things in his life more important than a web site and I'm happy we're still here at all! If it takes another 6 months, so what? Carping about it isn't going to do anything. When it happens, it happens. It'd be nice if we could just "play nice" til we all see what it is and when it is. It always strikes me odd that we have a site here with a lot of great things about it and people are nitpicking around. It's like someone inviting you to their home and complaining that there drapes are the wrong color and take away your enjoyment of the room. Pathetically enough, I know there are people like that......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: DougR Date: 01 Feb 02 - 04:24 PM Or the guest bathroom is equipped with only one ply toilet paper! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: MMario Date: 01 Feb 02 - 04:31 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST,Hey Bada Boom Bada Bing Date: 01 Feb 02 - 04:37 PM Excuse me, MMario, could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you. Hey Bada Boom Bada Bing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Jon Freeman Date: 01 Feb 02 - 04:53 PM Once again, I find myself agreeing with spaw - at least on most of what he has said. Where I have my doubts is over the handling of trolling guest posts. In addition to believing in "Internet Wisdom", My feeling that is anything that is seen to put a Guest down, particularly where we have situations where the one put down gives rise to a chorus of people joining in, is likely to give fuel to Guests being picked on, treated as lesser mortals, and "clique" feelings - feelings which are likely to be used to fire up another round... The other factor is that the more a thread is refreshed (which I happen to find annoying), the more readership it gets and the chances of a disagreement over one point or another between members increases as well the thread perhaps being brought to the attention of more trolls. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Feb 02 - 05:26 PM No Jon, I wouldn't disagree with you on that point at all. I wish we could get everyone to simply ignore the stuff and let the thread die. I too really hate to see it refreshed by a member who just has to say something. The thread will be way down or ready to drop off the 24 and someone will just have to post. If it's the trolling Guest, I understand, but when someone here that does it, it's frustrating as hell! A lot of the trolling is at the Mudcat itself, although some is member specific flame/trolls. In either case, I'd once again say that words are only hurtful if you believe them and have respect for the person giving the opinion. That is rarely the case on the obvious baits. Above, I responded to a Guest post that I felt could be a bit cynical, but it was true. We have heard varying times for the update so I thought a response was warranted. Had the Guest phrased it differently, I'd have passed on it. So Jon.......My friend I think we agree far more than we have ever disagreed......So don't act so surprised (or saddened) to agree with me! (:<)) Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Feb 02 - 06:15 PM All you really need to remember, to recall to mind the currently-available BS filter, is the lively and evocative phrase, THREAD SNOT. See, the filter is: http://www.mudcat.org/threadsnot.cfm?Title=BS: The colon helps assure you will not miss important threads whose titles include the words GiBSon, cluBS, WeBSite, etc. They don't work perfectly-- if you refresh from a page entered with that filter, you lose the filter, but you can just open the threads you want from that page in a new window with a right-click, and go from there. Bookmark these: A good way to use these to discipline your thread viewing is to go by bookmark to your first your personal page in each server, and then from there use the THREAD SNOT bookmarks to find interesting threads. AFTER you have had your fill of these fine usually-music threads, and hopefully left some information in a few, THEN if you have time left and your butt has not fallen asleep or gotten sore, THEN hit the forum page the regular way. BTW, didja notice how the trolls got some of us to answer them right here in this thread that was s'posed to indicate that's not a smart way to handle them? ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: The Shambles Date: 01 Feb 02 - 07:10 PM Can I just say a word here for the many people who do not feel compelled to bait and feed these sad souls.
Many do this out of consideration for present and future contributors and for our patient and long-suffering creator.
I agree with Doug R. Ignoring these post is the only and easy answer. This solution is not difficult at all for many people.
It may not be possible to ensure that none our contributors ever make what they may think are clever and merry japes in response to provocation. This however is not required.
It is possible to ensure however that YOU do not do this......... That is all that is required.
The responsibility for dealing with a problem that many of our regular contributors are largly responsible for creating, is YOURS. The buck should not be passed to Max to solve.
No one can or should try and prevent anyone else from posting what they wish. The responsibility to post or to repond to a post is up to each and every individual contributor. Remember however, that the effect of whatever YOU post or choose to respond to is felt by every individual contributor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: RichM Date: 01 Feb 02 - 08:30 PM But it's sometimes fun to respond to trolls! seriously, if we simply can't forego the trolls, maybe what Mudcat needs is a sophisticated filter system like my newsreader (Agent) has... In any case, Mudcat is a swell party! Rich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST,Lyle Date: 01 Feb 02 - 08:46 PM DougR I wish you would distinguish between "Guests without any name" and Guests who consistently use a name. I've been around here as long as anyone; much longer than most. I stumbled on this place waaaaaaay back when this collection of lyrics was a minor part of a bigger ftp set at the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, and have continued with it through its several changes. At one time, there were no such things as guests, and our name automatically appeared with each posting. I went to guest status when it was necessary to have a cookie, although there is more to it than just that. That is my choice. There are several other guests who might well decide to remain guest for similar reasons. To suggest that anyone who does this is automatically makes all of us divisive is painting with the same broad brush that you have many times expressed displeasure with in political discussions. There is such a simple solution to all of the dissatisfaction with much of what is going on here now that it makes one wonder why it is not used more. Each thread has a name. If the name is not something that pertains to the reason you joined MUDCAT, then don't open it. If you do, and therein lies something that annoys you, then you have no one to blame but yourself. I will continue to watch the discussions here because every once in a while there are threads that cannot be found anywhere on the internet nor in any books or magazines. A classic example is the one about Lee Hays and included fantastic input from Art T., Rick F., Frank Hamilton, and several others. I look forward to many others as a guest. Lyle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Feb 02 - 09:11 PM Sorry Lyle....When I referenced well known Guests way back in my first post I used Russ and I should have mentioned you as well, along with Roger the Skiffler who's inactive at the moment, and others like Gene who is sometimes cookieless. Your point is well taken. As is the overall point which has been repeatedly made but rarely listened to which is in essence, "Read the thread titles and decided for yourself." It truly is the easy and best solution but generally objected to as I'm sure it will be here. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST, Cookieless Member Date: 01 Feb 02 - 09:42 PM Lyle, your a very welcome guest, & I see what you mean & apologise for it, for myself. There are quite a number of Guests who choose to remain such, like yourself.....& despite what some people might claim to think, there isnt an attitude towards non-members here...why should there be? Such an accusation would be just one more example of trying to rile us.....which is a standard tactic.....little children learn it quite young, somehow, that saying something TOTALLY silly, annoys adults. Strange but true, but its a fact that someting patently untrue, strikes a nerve. Anyway, got to go...have fun! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Ebbie Date: 01 Feb 02 - 10:28 PM One more time: As MANY mudcatters have pointed out, there is no objection to a Guest who has differentiated her/himself from nameless ones. GUEST is very different from GUEST/Lyle, Joan, Cookieless Member, John, Whoever Anywhere Anytime... GUEST is someone making anonymous phone calls; GUEST/DESCRIBED is calling from a pay phone. :) Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST, Cookieless Member Date: 01 Feb 02 - 10:44 PM Well, there is nothing wrong with nameless GUEST's, as such...just the Trolling ones.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: DougR Date: 01 Feb 02 - 10:51 PM Lyle, Cookieless member, whowever: I think I did not make my original post as clearly as I might have. The fourteen threads I referred to were intended to be devisive and the ORIGINATORS of the threads signed themselves simply, "Guest." I don't believe any of them were started by a Guest, Lyle, Guest, Joe, or whatever. It is conceivable that a member might post a thread that is devisive, but I can't believe he/she would do so solely to CAUSE devisiveness. There is always great disagreement in the political threads, but not necessarily devisiveness. Spaw, you are right, of course. Words are only words and if taken that way they can't be hurtful. I'm not conversant enough in computer technoligy to know, but I would think that the type threds in question take up a lot of space that might be used more productively. Maybe not though. I just don't know. As some have pointed out they enjoy baiting the trolls. Well, as long as folks get their kicks doing that (and I'm guilty too at times)then this discussion is pointless anyway. We will just keep feeding "them" and we shouldn't bitch about them. I haven't researched the whole database, but I don't recall one thread that has originated with a member, or a Guest, Lyle, etc. that has caused any pain. I did not intend to lump the Guest, Lyles, etc. in with those that just sign themselves, "Guest." DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: The Shambles Date: 02 Feb 02 - 02:24 AM As some have pointed out they enjoy baiting the trolls. Well, as long as folks get their kicks doing that (and I'm guilty too at times)then this discussion is pointless anyway. We will just keep feeding "them" and we shouldn't bitch about them
The people who 'get their kicks' from feeding and baiting are not bitching about it.
The bitch is not about "them". It is the members with names, who can be contacted via personal messages, who are now the entre problem and should take responsibilty for it.
I would hope that these people would consider everyone else here before they feel compelled to continue feed and bait and justify this by claiming that someone else would only do it. Well let someone else do it.
Maybe these members should ask us before they respond on our behalf?
If you are not happy when a members responds and feeds the problem, could I sugggest that you send that member a PM, telling them your view? It is possibly a little sad that the people who do and are ignoring these posts and threads, will have also ignored this one. That, I would suggest is the very best example to follow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: The Shambles Date: 02 Feb 02 - 05:50 AM This link is to a thread which contains the arguments, in their own words of our current 'guest' and those who insist, for the strangest of reasons of trying to combat rubbish with yet more rubbish. And as a result inflict yet more rubbish on all the contributors to this (still,) fine site.
All I would ask you to do is to read it and make up your own mind about the wisdom of such tactics and the real reason why those that insist on using them justify such tactics and if there is any difference at all (other than their accountability) between the two sides.
For is not rubbish, - rubbish, where ever and from who ever it originates? I find myself rather stangely agreeing with much of what our present 'guest' has to say in this thread. They at least to me appear to be far more honest about their motives for inflicting yet more rubbish on us all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST Date: 02 Feb 02 - 10:35 AM A member epiphany there Shambles? And let me just add, a jerk is a jerk, whether you know their name or not. And slapping a label/name on a thing has absolutely nothing to do with accountability ESPECIALLY on the Internet. Now, back to the regular Mudcat dysfunctional programming. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Irish sergeant Date: 02 Feb 02 - 06:25 PM Guest; If you are so offended, why are you still here? You know where the door is. You don't have to leave but you don't have to stay either. There are some valid points especially Spaw's. I log on to a thread on occasion and find it is another flaming rectal irritant carping about something. Normally I log off without comment. Sometimes I feel I have to add my two cents. Normally because someone's assinine comments require a statement of my opinion. Recently I have heard this site called racist, elitist etc. It's Bullshit! pure and simple. If certain people Hiding behind the label of guest have something important to share (or believe they do) have the conviction to put your name to it as Lyle or cookieless do. I know there are times when I say things that others do not agree with but they can reference the remark to me and ask me about it. I don't hide from my statements. Meanwhile, guest you say dysfunctional like it's a bad thing. Kindest regards, neil |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: leprechaun Date: 02 Feb 02 - 06:41 PM How about adding a new label to the flaming GUEST, like GUEST, anonymous coward? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: The Shambles Date: 02 Feb 02 - 07:26 PM Can I kindly please request that YOU don't EVER feed the animals.
If YOU don't feed them, they WILL go away and the problem will be solved.
Last words from me (publicly) on the subject. I shall go back to ignoring all of these well-intentioned threads and all of the not-so-well-intentioned threads and postings. I hope that YOU will do the same.
If we ALL do this, there won't be any more such threads and postings that any of us feel we have to ignore. Or is that all far too simple? Or as I rather suspect, not enough 'fun' for some of us? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Feb 02 - 07:49 PM "I think the new filtering system will help on this a lot because every thread will be prefixed and filterable and the music only folks won't have to tolerate it at all. If it works that way, only the BS denizens will have the TG's to deal with" said spaw.
I think he might be over optimistic here - it's be easy enough to troll away in a thread that is ostensibly about music, and it's been done. There are things you can say about music and musicians that are every bit as inflammatory as anything you can say about politics or guns or whatever. In fact with folk music you don't even have to choose, because to can provoke bith ways at the same time.
As a rule of thumb I've decided to avoid even reading any thread opened by a GUEST which isn't clearly about music. (And as I indicated last paragraph that's only a partial guarantee.) Most of the time I stick to that.
Actually I don't see any of this as a problem except on rare occasions, I've no particular objection to a fight going on where no actual blows get landed, and it can even be entertaining - however, since it clearly is a problem to some people, and maybe risks giving sensitive, friendly and knowledgeable newcomers a false impression of the Mudcat that drives them away, that becomes a problem. Without sensitive friendly and knowledgeable newcomers this place stops being the Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST,Uninvited Date: 02 Feb 02 - 07:56 PM Oh for Goads' sake. It's only the fuckin' internet! Have you guys not got telly or a drinx cabinet or frenz or the telly or a guitar or God or sex or drugs or something else to worry about? If you were up to your arse in rubble and recrimination like some poor bastards in the world you wouldn't be whinging on like a bunch of overfed, oveducated, effete wankers! DO something positive for fuck's sake ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Liz the Squeak Date: 02 Feb 02 - 08:02 PM Obviously the uninvited Guest has none of the above, or else why would they be here?? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST,uninvited Date: 02 Feb 02 - 08:10 PM I'll admit it, Liz ... I'm a miserable, drunken, alienated, nihilistic, drunken, nihilistic bollox. What's your problem? (Apart from a complete lack of a sense of humour ... your finger really should try getting out of your ear more!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST,uninvited Date: 02 Feb 02 - 08:13 PM By the way, LtS ... sorry if I seem to have reserved my vitriol for you ... the fascist who started this thread deserves it more ... but his is the pathetic squeaking of a smug era that's coming to a tawdry end ... pity! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 02 - 08:31 PM LOL! How about if I invite you to post again, GUEST, uninvited? You would then be "GUEST, invited"... I hereby invite you to post again. And I entirely agree with your first post. It IS just the flippin' Internet, after all. I also get your humour. The only problem is that someone else without a cookie can easily post as "GUEST, uninvited" or "GUEST, invited" and in either case we have no way of knowing if it's actually you...or them... And that remains the most compelling reason for becoming a member, as far as I can see, but...why should anyone lose any sleep over it in either case? Seen any good movies lately? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: GUEST Date: 02 Feb 02 - 08:41 PM If that is the most compelling reason for becoming a member, and I don't care one whit if someone uses my log-in identity, then I guess your most compelling reason isn't compelling enough to compel me to join. The only ones losing sleep appear to be the members, who fear that we are coming to take over Mudcat. Or whatever their strange delusions are about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 02 - 09:00 PM Well, I was being a bit flippant when I said that. For me, the most compelling reason to join was that I love folk music, having grown up with it, and I figured that I would find kindred souls here, plus lots of good stuff to talk about. In that, I was right. What I did not initially figure on was the wackiness and the characters and the humour. I have lately fairly much run out of music questions (although I'm always willing to talk about Bob Dylan)...but have been enjoying the other stuff. There are some people here whom I just naturally tend to agree with, others I tend to disagree with, and others whose paths seldom diverge with mine at all. I find being a member convenient, simply because then the other people know for sure that it's me when I post, that's all. That, in itself, is convenient. If you're just passing through, though, I can see why it wouldn't matter much one way or the other. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Guest threads From: Liz the Squeak Date: 03 Feb 02 - 05:53 AM I've never sung with my finger in my ear or any other orifice... it's usually attached to the rest of my hand around a pint when out in the club or festival, or on the control button in Paltalk, where we have real conversations. I have done many positive things this week, sometimes as many as 6 before breakfast. And I've been up to my tits in "rubble and recriminations" more than once in my life, so I think I can sit back and be an over educated wanker for a while. In the meantime, I shall sit here and bask in the glory and companionship of the new clique that GUEST has unwittingly created. LTS |