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help a struggling student! - triple meter chant?

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Subject: help a struggling student!
From: GUEST,amy
Date: 02 May 02 - 12:22 AM

I need to find two chants in triple meter and two chants in unusual meter. I also need to find one song in mixolydian. It is for a Music Methods for Elementary teachers course and I have had a hard time locating these things on the internet and textbooks.

Does anybody know any children's chants in triple or unusual meter? How about a song in mixolydian? I am not picky on what song/chant it is, is long as it is appropriate for children.

Thank you!


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Subject: RE: help a struggling student!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 May 02 - 02:14 AM

Hi, Struggling - I added a bit to your thread title to try to alert the people who might be able to answer your question, and I'm posting this message to bring your thread to the top of the heap.
Can't say I'm much on music theory - by triple meter, do you mean 3/4 time? By chant for children, are you looking for Gregorian chant or for something more like "neener, neener, neener"?
Best of luck to you in your struggle.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: help a struggling student! - triple meter chant?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 02 - 02:23 AM

Yes, 3/4 triple meter would be wonderful. As far as what kind of chants, I am looking for the "neener, neener, neener" kind I guess. Nursery rhyme type music!


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Subject: RE: help a struggling student! - triple meter chant?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 02 May 02 - 03:30 AM

Well, there's Ride a Cock Horse, Oranges and Lemons (say the Bells of St. Clemens)...can't think of any more offhand at this hour, but there's a start.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: help a struggling student! - triple meter chant?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 02 May 02 - 05:18 AM

How about :
One two three
mother caught a flea
put it in the teapot
to make a cup of tea
the flea jumed out
mother gave a shout
and in came daddy with his shirt hanging out

That one's quite rhythmic - but I think there's a pause that makes it 4 time after all?
Now I think about it, its probably not at all what you're after - oh well...

KRis


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Subject: RE: help a struggling student! - triple meter chant?
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 May 02 - 09:52 AM

Old Joe Clark is in Mixolydian mode and easy to find.


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Subject: RE: help a struggling student! - triple meter chant?
From: Lynn
Date: 02 May 02 - 02:37 PM

This one is actually a round, but it would work as a chant - or maybe a chant round! (Depending on the age group you're doing it with). The beginning of each line is the first beat of each measure. 'bottle of' is to be done like a triplet. Count quietly *2 3* after POP to provide the necessary rests. 'Fish' is held out for a beat and a half. 'Vinegar' is quick - eighth eighth quarter (rest), rather than three quarter notes.

Hope it works for you! One bottle of pop Two bottles of pop Three bottles of pop four bottles of pop five bottles of pop six bottles of pop seven bottles of pop POP

Don't throw your junk in My backyard My backyard my backyard Don't throw your junk in My backyard My backyard's Full

Fish and chips and Vinegar Vinegar Vinegar Fish and chips and Vinegar Vinegar and Pop


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Subject: RE: help a struggling student! - triple meter chant?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 02 May 02 - 03:12 PM

Is 'don't throw your junk in my backyard' the transatlantic version of 'OH you can't put your muck in my dustbin..'?

Does Hickory dickory dock fit anything?


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Subject: RE: help a struggling student! - triple meter chant?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 02 May 02 - 04:49 PM

Here's an American jump-rope rhyme which I jumped to as a kid. It's irregular, which qualifies it for unusual, I suppose.

How to spell (drag "spell" out for two beats) Mississippi. Capital M, I, crooked letter, crooked letter I, crooked letter, crooked letter I, humpback, humpback, I!

On "crooked letter" which is s, you cross your legs. On "humpback", which is p, you hunch over, all while jumping.


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Subject: RE: help a struggling student! - triple meter chant?
From: Lynn
Date: 02 May 02 - 10:54 PM

Hickory Dickory Dock is in 2, but has 3 subdivisions per beat rather than two (compound meter rather than simple). You'd have to slow it WAAAAAYYYYY DOOOOOOWWWWWWN to turn it into 3.

Incidentally, most English language nursery rhymes are in duple, compound meter, just like hickory.

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall

Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of wa-ter.

By way of comparison, "Twinkle twinkle little star" is in simple meter.


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