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Lyr ADD: Johnny Sands DigiTrad: EGYPTIAN ELLA JOHNNY SANDS MARROW BONES OLD WOMAN FROM WEXFORD THE AULD MAN AND THE CHURNSTAFF THE RICH OLD LADY TIPPING IT UP TO NANCY Related threads: (origins) Origins: Eggs and Marrowbone (23) Lyr Req: The Old Woman from Wexford (15) Help: Marrowbones(not the group) (6) Lyr Req: Old Woman in Belfast (16) |
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Subject: Johnny Sands From: GUEST,Kate Date: 04 May 02 - 01:46 PM I'm looking for the lyrics to a song named "Johnny Sands". I have it on an old cassette that I've lost the liner for, the performer is Saucy Jade. If anyone has the lyrics, or any info on Saucy Jade I'd be greatly appreciative. My email is dvnpiper@yahoo.com. Thanks! |
Subject: Lyr Add: JOHNNY SANDS From: Sorcha Date: 04 May 02 - 01:53 PM JOHNNY SANDS
Collected by Bob Copper from a book left by John Johnson (right), 1865-1943, in Fittleworth, Sussex in about 1954: see Chapter Nine, pp. 83-9, of Songs and Southern Breezes for the details; and the appendix for these words. The photo of John Johnson at his garden date is credited to George Garland of Petworth (West Sussex). Click on the photo for a much larger one (also by George Garland, and which might have been taken around 1940) of John Johnson and his wife on their golden wedding anniversary.
Now Betty Miles and Johnny Sands were married hand in hand,
But for fear that I should courage lack and try to save my life,
Now all down the hill this loving bride she runs with all her force,
Then splashing, dashing like a fish, Oh save me, Johnny Sands.
Sheet music and another version isHere. (If it's already here, I didn't find it) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: catspaw49 Date: 04 May 02 - 01:54 PM MP3 is HERE if that helps. Spaw |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 May 02 - 02:15 PM The song is a 19th century re-write of Marrowbones, ascribed to John Sinclair on a broadside edition of 1842. The Bodleian Library broadside site isn't working just at present, but you can see an American example at America Singing: 19th Century Song Sheets:
Johnny Sands printed by Andrews, 38 Chatham Street, New York. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: GUEST,kate Date: 04 May 02 - 02:18 PM thanks, The mp3 is the exact version I have Spaw, I'm tickled to have found it. And Sorcha those lyrics are similar. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: Gaffer Date: 04 May 02 - 04:59 PM Johnny Sands he was a good old man But he's married to Betsy Haig She brought him land, she brought him gold But she proved him a terrible plague Both night and morn she'd curse and moan She's full of caprice and whim 'Til he decides he's tired of life As she is tired of him Pretty much the same as the Coppers from there on in, this version is what I recall from tat collected a bit further West by Hammond or Gardiner, and if I find my books I can be a touch more precise! One of the few good bondage songs in the tradition - or do all marriage songs count? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 May 02 - 09:05 PM Most versions are pretty much the same textually, as they all derive from mid-to-late 19th century broadsides; obviously, some are more complete than others. Hammond got it in Dorset, but it turns up pretty much everywhere where English is spoken. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: Kev Boyd Date: 15 Dec 09 - 06:17 PM I have a tape of an early 70s Martin Carthy gig (probably circa 1973 but difficult to tell) where he sings a version of this song. I can't lay my hands on the tape at the moment but a little light Googling brings up a set of lyrics here that correspond fairly closely - as far as my memory can tell - to the words Carthy sings: Johnny Sands he was a fine young man And he married a lady gay Though she brought him gold and she brought him land She proved him a terrible plague From night 'til morn she'd curse and moan She was full of caprice and whim 'Til he has said he was tired of life For she was tired of him Right fal –la—right fa larum fa larum For she was tired of him Oh says he, "I think I'll go drown myself In the river that runs below She says, "I wish you would you silly old sot I've wished it long ago." Says he, "I'll stand all on the bank and you go up the hill Then you can come down and push me in." She says, "My love, I will." Right fal –la right fa larum fa larum She says, "My love, I will." "Oh but just in case I should lose me courage And try to save me life You must tie me hands behind me back." "I will" then says his wife So she's tied him fast as fast can be And when he's securely bound Well she goes up to the top of the hill And she commence to run Right fal –la right fa larum fa larum And she commence to run Down the hill came running his loving bride Rushing with all her force For to push him in but he jumped aside She fell in of course Then splashing dashing like a fish "Come save me Johnny Sands." He says, "I would. You surely know I would. But you have tied me hands. Right fal –la right fa larum fa larum But you have tied me hands." |
Subject: Lyr Add: JOHNNY SANDS (John Sinclair, 1853) From: Jim Dixon Date: 17 Dec 09 - 08:56 AM From the sheet music at The Library of Congress: JOHNNY SANDS John Sinclair Boston: Oliver Ditson, 1853. 1. A man whose name was Johnny Sands Had married Betty Hague, And though she brought him gold and land, She prov'd a terrible plague. For Oh she was a scolding wife, Full of caprice and whim. He said that he was tired of life, And she was tired of him. And she was tired of him. And she was tired of him. 2. Says he, "Then I will drown myself. The river runs below." Says she, "Pray do, you silly elf. I wished it long ago." Says he, "Upon the brink I'll stand. Do you run down the hill, And push me in with all your might." Says she, "My love, I will." Says she, "My love, I will." Says she, "My love, I will." 3. "For fear that I should courage lack, And try to save my life, Pray tie my hands behind my back." "I will," replied his wife. She tied them fast, as you may think, And when securely done, "Now stand," she says, "upon the brink, And I'll prepare to run. And I'll prepare to run. And I'll prepare to run." 4. All down the hill his loving bride Now ran with all her force To push him in. He stepped aside, And she fell in, of course. Now, splashing, dashing like a fish, "O save me, Johnny Sands!" "I can't, my dear, though much I wish, For you have tied my hands. For you have tied my hands. For you have tied my hands." |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: Jim Dixon Date: 17 Dec 09 - 09:09 AM Since the date on the sheet music was 1853, I thought that date would be the definitive origin, but apparently not. I found the same song in 2 books, both dated 1847: Songs of Ireland and Other Lands (New York: D. & J. Sadlier & Co., 1847), page 139. The Granite Songster: Comprising the Songs of the Hutchinson Family by Asa Burnham Hutchinson (Boston: A. B. Hutchinson, 1847), page 49. The first book does credit "J. Sinclair" however. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: Steve Gardham Date: 17 Dec 09 - 02:44 PM There are 3 copies of JS in the Levy and 2 of them are dated 1842 by Ditson of Boston, both copies of the same by the looks. The 3rd one I take to be the Sinclair original published by Duff and Hodgson of 20 Oxford St, London, as it is described as 'A New Comic ballad'. My personal copy has the Duff and Hodgson stock number 1759 which Neighbour and Tyson date as circa 1853. All rather confusing, unless Sinclair wrote it in America before coming to Britain, rather like Sam Cowell. Levy has a sequel 'Betty Sands' published in 1865, but this must be earlier as my copy advertises the sequel at the bottom of the pages. Going by the style of the covers of the Ditson copies I would say they were much later than 1842. They resemble 1860s style to me. Perhaps their dating is an attempt at earliest publication. or when the song was written. Looking at broadsides, it was printed in 1852 by the Glasgow Poet's Box. Bebbington of Manchester and Ryle of London both printed it in the 1850s, along with other later printers. The Poet's Box gives the air as 'The Way to do it'. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: Steve Gardham Date: 17 Dec 09 - 02:46 PM I ought to add, my sheet music only says 'COMPOSED by John Sinclair' not 'Written and composed' and there are no credits at all on the inside. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: RTim Date: 17 Dec 09 - 03:34 PM I have been singing this version for over 35 years, and can't remember where I got it from? There is a copy in Anne Warners book - on page 151. Tim Radford JOHNNY SANDS. There was a man named Johnny Sands Who married Betty Haig Although she brought him gold & lands She proved a terrible plague. Although she was a scolding wife Full of caprice and whim He said that he'd grown tired of life, And she'd grown tire of him, of him Oh she'd grown tired of him. He said I think I'll drown myself In the river down, Pray do she said you silly oaf I wished it long ago. Said he upon the brink I'll stand And you stand on the hill, And you run down and push me in, She said my dear I will I will, She said my dear I will. But fear that I should courage fail And try to save my life. Pray tie my hands behind my back, I will replied his wife. She ties them fast as you may think And when securely down, Now stand there John upon the brink And I'll prepare to run to run And I'll prepare to run. Down the hill his loving wife She ran with all her force To push him in, he stepped aside And she fell in of course. Splashing, dashing like a fish, Oh save me Johnny Sands, I can't my dear though much I wish For you have tied my hands my hands For you have tied my hands. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: GUEST,999 Date: 17 Dec 09 - 04:55 PM Betty Haig Betty Miles Betsy Haig Betty Hague He married all those women. Bloody wonder he got any sleep at all. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: The Doctor Date: 17 Dec 09 - 05:37 PM Tim's version is pretty much the same as that sung by Martyn Wyndham-Read over 35 years ago, and recorded by him on his 1971 LP, so maybe.... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: RTim Date: 17 Dec 09 - 07:47 PM Ah - Yes - I think the Doctor has it! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Johnny Sands From: GUEST,Sim Date: 14 Mar 10 - 09:54 AM Hi, I'm doing an english essay. This is the version I found in a book. A man whose name was johnny sands, had married betty haigh and tho' she bought him gold and lands she proved a terrible plague for, oh, she was a scolding wife full of caprice and whim he said thet he was tired of life And she was tired of him and she was tired of him says he, then i will drown myself- the river runs below says she, pray do you silly elf, i wished it long ago says he, upon the brink I'll stand, do you run down the hill and push me in with all my might says she my love I will says she my love I will for fear that I should courage lack and try to save my life, Pray tie my hands behind my back, I will replied his wife She tied them as fast as you may think, and when securely done Now stand, she says, upon the brink and I'll prepare to run and I'll prepare to run All down the hill his loving bride, now ran with all her force, to push him in - he stepped aside and she fell in of course Now splashing, dashing, like a fish Oh, save me Johnny Sands, I can't my dear, tho' much I wish, for you have tied my hands for you have tied my hands hope it helps! |
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