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Origin: Gideon's Band (Al Hopkins & Buckle Busters
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Subject: ADD: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 01:54 AM I have this loopy tune as an .mp3 I originally found at the HonkingDuck site (which no longer displays sound clips). Anyone know anything about Al Hopkins & His Buckle Busters, or more about the song? Or know what kind of wood is being sung about in the first verse? ~Susan
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: Joe Offer Date: 30 May 02 - 02:39 AM Click for DT version - Susan, how does the tune compare? Your lyrics sound more exciting. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 02:47 AM The tune is a riot! It's simple enough, I really oughtta make a MIDI for it. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: Haruo Date: 30 May 02 - 03:19 AM As far as the wood goes, the traditional ("Biblical") material for Noah's boat (why is this one ship called an ark and no other? It's teivah in Hebrew) is "gopher wood", the term used in the King James Version of the Bible (1611). However, as this Blueletter Bible link shows, this is simply a transliteration of the Hebrew word, suggesting that the KJV translators did not know what tree it referred to. Blueletter's Strong's reference suggests "cypress?" but it's clear there's no more certainty about it today than there was in 1611. The New English Bible says "cypress". The Latin vulgate says "levigatis", whatever that means. The 1941 Smith-Goodspeed The Bible: An American Translation says "oleander wood". Somewhere I've seen "acacia" suggested, I'm fairly sure, but I don't recall where. My Japanese Bible says "itosugi", which is cypress. My Spanish, Hindi and Esperanto Bibles all go with orthographic variants of gopher (gofer, gofera, goper respectively). Of course, I have no idea what words the Buckle Busters sing. Nor any idea why anyone would think "gopher" triple-XXX-ratable. Liland |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 03:24 AM LOL! I think maybe they are singing "cinnamon wood." ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 03:30 AM Al Hopkins and the Buckle Busters are HERE in a DT song, JOHNSON BOYS. They're mentioned in a couple of posts too, by Stewie... and then by Dick Greenhaus as Camsco products! *G* C'mon, Stewie, Dick, tell us about the Buckle Busters.... they sound like our sort! ~Susan
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: RangerSteve Date: 30 May 02 - 07:42 AM I downloaded the song before the site went silent. I'm pretty sure the wood is cinnamon. |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: masato sakurai Date: 30 May 02 - 09:35 AM "Al Hopkins and his Virginia-based band The Hill Billies was one of the first southern string bands to make commercially successful records. Their first sides were done in New York on January 15, 1925, a bare eighteen months after OKeh released the 'first' country record, by Fiddlin' John Carson. Record companies were just starting to get interested in what they were calling 'old time' music, just starting to discover there was an audience for it. The Hill Billies, with their excellent musicianship, variety of repertoire, and showmanship helped convince the companies that this music was a serious commodity. Unlike many of these early bands, the Hill Billies retained their appeal through the later 1920's; between 1925 and 1928, they released some 73 sides, including their share of old-time classics." (Charles Wolfe, "notes" to The Hill Billies: Al Hopkins and His Buckle Busters, vol. 1, Document DOCD-8039). "Gideon's Band" (E-28918 -Br 295; recorded New York, NY, December 20, 1928) is on vol. 3 (DOCD-8041, track 15). ~Masato |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 May 02 - 11:26 AM Looks like one of the put-together, "upstart crows" that were popular with Negro as well as white children. There is one in Newman L. White, American Negro Folk Songs, with verses about Noah. Typical verses are: In come de animuls five by five, Almost dead and hardly alive; Dem bones gonna rise again. In come de animuls seben by seben, Fo' from Hell and de others from Heaven; Dem bones gonna rise again. White calls these "upstart crows." When I get time, I may start a thread on them. |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: masato sakurai Date: 30 May 02 - 11:59 AM The Levy Collection has this sheet music (Click here).
Title: Gideon's Band. Song and Chorus.
The music may have been popular, because at least three songs to the tune of "Gideon's Band" ["M'Clellan's band," "We'll be free in our Maryland," and "If you belong to Dixie's land"] are in the America Memory collection. ~Masato
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 12:06 PM Wow! You GUYS! Hubba hubba! Huzzah! *G* And the PICTURE on the sheet music! WOW! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 12:14 PM The melody at Levy is nearly identical to that on the recording, and maybe I will do a MIDI from it and submit both versions. Verses from the Levy item: 1. Keep your hat upon your head (3x) for you will want it when you're dead. 2. Oh keep your nose upon your face (3x) for anywhere else is out of place. 3. Oh keep your coat upon your back (3x) that you may be off on the other track. 4. Oh keep your pants upon your legs (3x) that you may hang 'em on the golden pegs. 5. Oh keep your shoes upon your feet (3x) that you may walk in the golden street. 6. Oh stick your toe nails in the ground (3x) that when you're wanted you may be found. 7. Oh keep your money in your pocket (3x) so when it's wanted you've not forgot it. 8. 'Twixt you and I, I really think (3x) it's pretty near time to take a drink. ~Susan
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Subject: ADD: IF YOU BELONG TO From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 12:21 PM IF YOU BELONG TO DIXIE'S LAND TUNE:--"Gideon's Band." To bring you this good news I've come, To bring you this good news I've come, To bring you this good news I've come, You'll always find yourself at home, CHO:If you belong to Dixie's Land Here's my heart and here's my hand, Why, then belong to Dixie's Band, We're fighting for a home. I'll tell you what, if you can fight, I'll tell you what, if you can fight, I'll tell you what, if you can fight, We all will arm for Southern-right, You know the banner o'er our head, You know the banner o'er our head, You know the banner o'er our head, The glorious red, and white, and red, No stain or shame its glory mars, No stain or shame its glory mars, No stain or shame its glory mars, But gaily flaunt the stars and bars, We seek no gain, we fear no loss, We seek no gain, we fear no loss, We seek no gain, we fear no loss, In battle 'neath the Southern cross, So let us to the South be true, So let us to the South be true, So let us to the South be true, Then bully for me, and bully for you, SOURCE: AMERICAN MEMORY PROJECT COLLECTION: Civil War Song Sheets REPOSITORY: Rare Book and Special Collections Division, Library of Congress DIGITAL ID: cw200870 |
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Subject: ADD: M'Clellan's band From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 12:28 PM M'CLELLAN'S BAND Tune: Gideon's Band Mason & Co., No. 58 N. 6th. street, Phila. BY "OUR NED." Oh, keep your flag out to the breeze! Oh, keep your flag out to the breeze! Oh, keep your flag out to the breeze! If you really want this war to cease. CHO: If you belong to McClellan's Band, Oh take my heart and shake my hand, If you belong to McClellan's Band. We're fighting for a home! Oh, keep the cause right in your mind! Oh, keep the cause right in your mind! Oh, keep the cause right in your mind! For if you don't, you'll lag behind. Stand by the Union good and strong! Stand by the Union good and strong! Stand by the Union good and strong! And we will let you join our song. Oh, see our country, once so great! Oh, see our country, once so great! Oh, see our country, once so great! To save it you've no time to wait. "Old Abe" and Fremont, sure's you're born, "Old Abe" and Fremont, sure's you're born, "Old Abe" and Fremont, sure's you're born, Will be elected--"in a horn," Oh, let us all pledge hand and heart! Oh, let us all pledge hand and heart! Oh, let us all pledge hand and heart! From "Little Mac" we'll never part. SOURCE: AMERICAN MEMORY PROJECT COLLECTION: Civil War Song Sheets REPOSITORY: Rare Book and Special Collections Division, Library of Congress DIGITAL ID: cw103420 |
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Subject: ADD: WE'LL BE FREE IN OUR MARYLAND From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 12:34 PM WE'LL BE FREE IN OUR MARYLAND TUNE: "GIDEON'S BAND" The boys down South in Dixie's land, The boys down South in Dixie's land, The boys down South in Dixie's land, Will come and rescue Maryland, Chorus--If you will join the Dixie band, Here's my heart and here's my hand, If you will join the Dixie band, We're fighting for a home. The Northern foes have trod us down, The Northern foes have trod us down, The Northern foes have trod us down, But we will rise with true renown. The tyrants they must leave our door, The tyrants they must leave our door, The tyrants they must leave our door, Then we'll be free in Baltimore. These hirelings they'll never stand, These hirelings they'll never stand, These hirelings they'll never stand, When ever they see the Southern band. Old Abe has got in a trap, Old Abe has got in a trap, Old Abe has got in a trap, And he can't get out with his Scotch cap. Nobody's hurt is easy spun, Nobody's hurt is easy spun, Nobody's hurt is easy spun, But the Yankees caught it at Bull Run. We rally to Jeff Davis true, Beauregard and Johnston too; Magruder, Price and General Bragg, And give three cheers for the Southern flag, We'll drink this toast to one and all, Keep cock'd and prim'd for the Southern call; The day will come, we'll make the stand, Then we'll be free in Maryland. SOURCE: AMERICAN MEMORY PROJECT COLLECTION: American Song Sheets REPOSITORY: Rare Book and Special Collections Division, Library of Congress DIGITAL ID: as114670 |
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Subject: ADD: Civil War Songs, several posted From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 12:39 PM How fascinating that the melody was co-opted to create songs for both the North and the South! Like the tune for "Flop-Eared Mule," this tune gets stuck in the head quite easily. I can see how one might just start on any topic and make up verses ad lib! Try it sometime if you never have-- you get three lines of repetition to let your mind be thinking of the fourth "punch" line, and once you start there's no stopping! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 May 02 - 05:21 PM There is no certain way of identifying the biblical "gopherwood" at this remove (translators took what would be a resistant tree wood in their area and applied the name to it). Some early works refer to a black wood. This may be hyperbole, suggesting ebony or an ironwood. In English, the name ark for a boat seems to go back to the Lindisfarne Gospels, ca. 950 AD (ærce Noë). In the Jewish tales, the boat was covered, like a box or coffer; thus, "ark." |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: masato sakurai Date: 30 May 02 - 06:32 PM MIDI & lyrics for "Gideon's Band (sung in the Musical Extravaganza of Mazeppa)", arr. by Charles R. Dodsworth, are HERE (More American Civil War Music). The title page (illust.) is HERE, too. Another socre is in The Book of Thousand Songs (Click here). ~Masato |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 30 May 02 - 07:43 PM Oh good, I don't have to make a MIDI! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 31 May 02 - 01:48 AM There is another Hopkins one from HonkingDuck, HEAR DEM BELLS, I'll have to look around and see if it's around anywhere. Hard to transcribe... kinda fuzzy. ~S~ |
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Subject: Learn a fact a day dept. From: Haruo Date: 31 May 02 - 02:10 AM I never knew Aura Lee (or Lea?) was a Civil War song. Not sure what I thought it was, but I wouldn't have guessed Civil War. Liland |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 May 02 - 03:24 PM Aura Lea was written in 1861 by George R. Poulton. It quickly became popular everywhere. Text and Midi here, but played too fast: Aura Lea This website is my favorite for Stephen Foster and other old songs of Aura Lea type. |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: Stewie Date: 31 May 02 - 10:48 PM Susan, I agree that it sounds like they are singing 'cinnamon wood'. The personnel of the group fluctuated considerably, particularly on records. However, the core was Charlie Bowman and Tony Alderman on fiddles, Jacky Reedy and Walter Bowman on banjos, Elbert Bowman and Joe Hopkins on guitars, John Hopkins on ukelele, and group leader Al Hopkins on piano and vocals. Their spirited sound stemmed from Charlie Bowman's fine fiddling (he was from Tennessee) and 3-finger banjo picking from Reedy and Walter Bowman. For their first session, for Okeh, they had a wonderful clawhammer player from Grayson County, Virginia, called John Rector. In effect, the band's style was a melding of Tennessee influences from the Bowmans and Galax, Virginia techniques from the Alderman and Hopkins families. In his 'Country Music USA', Bill Malone summarises an impressive list of firsts for this old-timey group: They were the first hillbilly musicians to make their base in Washington DC; they were among the first to perform in New York City (1927); they were the first to perform before a president - Alvin Coolidge; they were the first to appear in a movie; they were the first to use a piano; they were among the first to include an Hawaiian steel guitar; they were the first to be described on a record label as 'Hill Billies'. When they had recorded 6 songs for Ralph Peer in 1925 [referred to above by Masato], Al Hopkins suggested that Peer find a suitable name for them. He said: 'Call the band anything you want. We are nothing but a bunch of hillbillies from North Carolina and Virginia anyway'. Peer instructed that the 6 sides by listed as by 'The Hill Billies'. At first, some members of the group had misgivings about the use of such a disparaging name, but became more confident when Pop Stoneman said he approved of the term. It became a term widely applied to whole spectrum of country music. They were also unusual in that they were a professional touring band that briefly joined a vaudeville circuit. More info on Hopkins and his group may be found in Archie Green's classic essay 'Hillbilly Music: Source and Symbol', Journal of American Folklore 78, 1965, pp 211-15 and in Kip Lornell's 'Virginia's Blues, Country & Gospel Records 1902-1943: An Annotated Discography' Uni Press of Kentucky 1989, pp 99-107. --Stewie. |
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Subject: The Hill Billies:Al Hopkins and the Buckle Busters From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Jun 02 - 12:25 AM You're the man, Stewie! ~Susan |
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Subject: Gideon's Band (Hopkins) for Church From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Jun 02 - 12:42 AM Had a little car trip today; started making up new verses to this, to use in closing our Saturday Night church service from time to time... what I will do is put just the chorus on a songsheet, and then sing the verses for the people to follow-- then zap in the punchline and they can laugh while singing the chorus all over again!
We've sung our songs and said our prayers
We heard the Word and shared the Cup
O come to church each Saturday Night, Have you ever seen people walking while they're still tapping their toes? Gves a very bouncy step; seen it often after our service! *G* ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: masato sakurai Date: 01 Jun 02 - 12:52 AM "Hear Dem Bells" recorded in New York, May 16, 1927 is on The Hill Billies / Al Hopkins and His Buckle Busters, vol. 3 (DOCD-8041). There's a version performed by Harry C. Browne and Peerless Quartette (sound clip) HERE. Sheet music editions ("Hear dem bells : jubilee song" / words and music by D.S. McCosh; Originally published: Chicago : Chicago Music Co., c1880) are HERE and HERE. ~Masato
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 Jun 02 - 01:14 AM Duke Ellington did a famous instrumental (1930) on "Hear Dem Bells." It is on a number of albums of his music. I hope to have Hopkins vol. 3 soon. If you haven't got the words clearly by then, I will try to help "listen." |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Jun 02 - 01:22 AM OK! Thanks! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: masato sakurai Date: 01 Jun 02 - 09:14 AM The sheet music editions mentioned above are in the American Memory collections. ~Masato |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Jun 02 - 11:52 AM Thanks, masato, and that led to some other treasures as your links so often do. I'll post the lyric if no one beats me to it. The recording includes the first and last verse, but the last line of the last verse sounds a bit different.... maybe Dicho will be able to make it out. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 Jun 02 - 12:36 PM Getting "temporary file open errors," Masato. But enter Ring dem bells in American Memory and they come up all right. |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Jun 02 - 03:44 PM Oh put'cher nickel in the plate, Our heating bills, they will not wait...
Shout your praise, confess your sin,
Come to church just one in seven ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 Jun 02 - 04:31 PM To the tune of "Put another nickel in"? |
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Subject: RE: Help: GIDEON'S BAND, not DT version From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Jun 02 - 04:46 PM Naw! *G* Gideon's Band! Aw gee, I'm just leaving for church, what if I sing it to your tune suggestion??? *G* ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Gideon's Band (Al Hopkins & Buckle Busters From: Lighter Date: 18 Jan 21 - 01:28 PM Here's one more Civil War version, from The Southerner (Tarborough, N.C.) (Aug. 9, 1862): REBEL BAND Slow. Eve she did the apple eat, Eve she did the apple eat, Eve she did the apple eat, Fast. She smack'd her lips & said 'twas sweet. CHORUS. Do you belong to Gidden's [sic] band? Here is my heart and here is my hand; Do you belong to the Rebel Band, A fighting for your homes. The animals came in to by two, The camel and the kangaroo. CHORUS. First came the horse and then the flea, The elephant and the bumble bee. CHORUS. Old Abraham Lincoln he has come, And his himself in the long tom gun. CHORUS. And by and by as I am thinking, They will touch it off and away goes Lincoln. CHORUS. Old Abraham Lincoln he did fall, Way down South on the Southern soil. CHORUS. When old Noah he got on land, He got so drunk he couldn't stand. CHORUS. The ark landed on Mount Ararat, Just a few miles below Manassas Gap. CHORUS. The Yankees from Richmond did retreat, And we are the boys that's hard to beat. CHORUS. McCall advanced with his whole band, And now old Jeff is [sic] got him in his right hand. CHORUS. Oh, we are Bill, Dick, and Harry, We are the boys that's always merry. CHORUS. Their [sic] is Burnside too has mist [sic] a lick, And his gay old fleet has almost split. CHORUS. Old Abraham Lincoln he was born, In old Kentucky one frosty morn. CHORUS. And ever since that hour of luck, There has been a cave in old Kentuck. CHORUS. Oh we are the boys from Baltimore City, And now my friends I will end my ditty. CHORUS. |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Gideon's Band (Al Hopkins & Buckle Busters From: Lighter Date: 18 Jan 21 - 01:43 PM And again, from W. L. Fagan's "Southern war songs: camp-fire, patriotic and sentimental" (1889): THE REBEL BAND. Old Eve she did the apple eat, Old Eve she did the apple eat, Old Eve she did the apple eat, And smacked her lips and called it sweet. CHORUS. Do you belong to the rebel band, Fighting for your home. There was a time, the poets say, There was a time, the poets say, There was a time, the poets say, When this world was washed away. CHORUS. How old Noah built him an ark, How old Noah built him an ark, How old Noah built him an ark, Of gopher wood and hickory bark. CHORUS. The ark rested on Mount Ararat, The ark rested on Mount Ararat, The ark rested on Mount Ararat, A mile and a half from Manassas Gap. CHORUS. The animals came in two by two, The animals came in two by two, The animals came in two by two, The camamile and the kangaroo. CHORUS. Now old Noah got very drunk, Now old Noah got very drunk, Now old Noah got very drunk, And old Ham pulled him out of his bunk. CHORUS. Old Noah got mad as he could be, Old Noah got mad as he could be, Old Noah got mad as he could be, And sent old Ham to Afrikee. CHORUS. |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Gideon's Band (Al Hopkins & Buckle Busters From: Lighter Date: 18 Jan 21 - 02:36 PM And this, from the Eastern Intelligencer (Washington, N.C.) (Aug. 24, 1869), p. 1. It refers to the Civil War: O stick your toe-nails in the ground - Stick your toe-nails in the ground; That when you're dead you may be found! If you belong to the rebel band, If you belong to Dixie's land; O, here's my heart and here's my hand, We are fighting for our homes. O keep your hat upon your head - Keep your hat upon your head, For you won't want it when you are dead. [Chorus] Oh, keep your shoes upon your feet - Keep your shoes upon your feet, For you will want them in retreat. [Chorus] [Chorus] |
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Subject: RE: Origin: Gideon's Band (Al Hopkins & Buckle Busters From: Lighter Date: 18 Jan 21 - 02:54 PM The hits keep coming. Chattanooga News (May 28, 1913): War Jingles, 1861-5 ... NOAH'S ARK (Air:"Gideon's Band") Old Noah he did build an Ark, Old Noah he did build an Ark, Old Noah He did build an Ark, Of sassafras root and cinnamon bark [Chorus:] If you belong to the Rebel band, Here's my heart and here's my hand, If you belong to the Rebel band - They're fighting for our rights. The animals come in by two, The animals come in by two, The animals come in by two, The long-tailed 'possum and the kangaroo. [Chorus] Keep your shoes upon your feet, Keep your shoes upon your feet, Keep your shoes upon your feet, So you can walk in the golden street. [Chorus] Oh, ladies do the best you can, Oh, ladies do the best you can, Oh, ladies do the best you can, And never marry a Yankee man. [Chorus] |
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