Lyr/Chords Req: Equinoxial and Phoebe

Subject: Equinoxial and Phoebe
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 04:14 PM

Looked for this in the digitrad, but only came up with an old thread from Phillipa. Is it in there under another title? Could also use the tune, as I haven't heard this song for 30 years.
Failte.....Giok

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Equinoxial and Phoebe
From: MMario
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 04:23 PM

I'm sure I've seen this discussed - more then just the little bit

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Equinoxial and Phoebe
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 04:23 PM

It's in the DT twice under "Father Grumble" and "Old Grumbler".

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Equinoxial and Phoebe
From: MMario
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 04:28 PM

a tune is attached to "father grumble"

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Equinoxial and Phoebe
From: masato sakurai
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 06:41 PM

Laws Q1. A version "Equinoctial and Phoebe" is in Folk Songs of Peggy Seeger (Oak, 1964, p 26).

~Masato

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Equinoxial and Phoebe
From: raredance
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 10:14 PM

There's also a version in "Bells of Rhymney" by Pete Seeger (Oak Publications, 1964). Wonder if Pete and Peggy do the same version.

rich r

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Equinoxial and Phoebe
From: Susan of DT
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 10:45 PM

There are 3 versions in the DT. Once you find one and see a "DT number" at the bottom, in this case #343, you can then search for #343.

Subject: Lyr Add: EQUINOCTIAL AND PHOEBE
From: masato sakurai
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 11:21 AM

In the DT:

OLD GRUMBLER

OLD CRUMLEY or MORE WORK IN A DAY (Jean Ritchie version)

FATHER GRUMBLE
(Randolph's Ozark version)
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From The Traditional Ballad Index, s.v. Father Grumble:

Father Grumble [Laws Q1]
DESCRIPTION: Grumble says he can do more work in a day than his wife can do in three. She offers to exchange tasks for a day; he agrees. She gives him a long list of household chores and sets out to plow. He fails in most of his tasks and admits his wife's superiority
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1825
KEYWORDS: contest husband wife work humorous feminist
FOUND IN: Britain(Scotland) Ireland US(Ap,MW,NE,SE,So)
REFERENCES (15 citations):
Laws Q1, "Father Grumble"
Randolph 74, "Father Grumble" (3 texts, 2 tunes)
Eddy 43, "Father Grumble" (1 text, 1 tune)
Flanders/Olney, pp. 191-193, "The Wife of Auchtermuchty" (1 text)
Leach, pp747-748, "Father Grumble" (1 text)
Friedman, p. 443, "Father Grumble" (1 text)
Scott-BoA, pp. 41-43, "The Old Man Who Lived in the Woods" (1 text, 1 tune)
Lomax-FSNA 10, "Father Grumble" (1 text, 1 tune)
Botkin-NEFolklr, pp. 579-580, "The Old Man Who Lived in the Wood" (1 text, 1 tune)
SHenry H702, pp. 504-505, "The Wealthy Farmer" (1 text, 1 tune)
LPound-ABS, 36, pp. 82-84, "Father Grumble" (1 text)
JHCox 156, "Father Grumble" (7 texts)
Silber-FSWB, p. 188, "Little Phoebe"; p. 189, "Old Man In The Wood" (2 texts)
BBI, ZN1410, "In Auchtermuchty lived a man" (?)
DT 343, WIFEWORK WIFEWRK2* WIFEWRK3*
RECORDINGS:
Jean Ritchie, "Father Grumble" (AFS; on LC14)
Margaret MacArthur, "Old Mr. Grumble" (on MMacArthur01)
Pete Seeger, "Equinoxial" (on PeteSeeger12)
ALTERNATE TITLES:
John Grumlie
Equinoxial
Old Daddy Grumble
File: LQ01
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Recordings list from Folk Music - An Index to Recorded Resources:

Equinoxial and Phoebe
Rt - Father Grumble
1. Gribi, Gerri. Womansong Collection, Gribi, CD (1996), cut# 7
2. Paley, Tom. Old Tom Moore and More, Global Village C 309, Cas (1991), cut# 20 (Little Pheobe)
3. Petric, Faith. As We Were, Center 37, LP (1986), cut#B.01
4. Seeger, Peggy. Folksongs and Ballads, Riverside RLP-12-655, LP, cut# 9
5. Seeger, Peggy. Everybody Sing, Vol 2., Riverside RLP-1419, LP (196?), cut# 9a

Father Grumble [Laws Q 1]
Rt - Equinoxial and Phoebe ; Darby and Joan ; Mulbery Hill
At - Old Man in the Woods ; John Grumlie ; Old Man and His Wife
1. American Ballads and Songs, Scribners, Sof (1972/1922), p 82
2. Sweet Bunch of Daisies, Colonial Press, Bk (1991), p139 (There Was an Old Man)
3. American Balladry from British Broadsides, Amer. Folklore Society, Bk (1957), p273
4. Gibson, Bob. Folk Songs of Ohio, Stinson SLP 76, LP (195?), cut#B.04
5. Ginandes, Shep. Dogwood Soup, Pathways of Sound POS 1023, LP (196?), cut#B.05
6. House, Bob. Kirkland Recordings, Tennessee Folklore Soc. TFS-106, LP (1984), cut# 6 (Old Grumble)
7. MacArthur, Margaret. Almanac of New England Farm Songs, Green Linnet SIF 1039, LP (1982), cut# 7 (Old Mr. Grumble)
8. MacArthur, Margaret. Folksongs of Vermont, Folkways FH 5314, LP (1963), cut#B.01 (Old Mr. Grumble)
9. McCutcheon, John. Howjadoo, Rounder 8009, Cas (1987), cut#B.06
10. Ritchie, Edna. Edna Ritchie, Viper Kentucky, Folk Legacy FSA-003, LP (1962), cut#A.05 (Old Crumley)
11. Ritchie, Jean. High Hills & Mountains, Greenhays GR 701, LP (1979), cut# 10 (Old Daddy Grumble)

Mulbery Hill Rt - Father Grumble
1. Galt, Nellie. Folk Songs of America. The Robert Winslow Gordon Collection...., Library of Congress AFS L68, LP (1978), cut# 14b
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EQUINOCTIAL AND PHOEBE

"An American descendent of the old Scottish 'John Grumble'. Halliwell has found it in manuscripts from the time of Henry VII and Ritson says that 'the subject of this poem seems to be borrowed from the first part of a story in the Silva Sermonum Jucundissimorum, Basil, 1568...though certainly from a more ancient authority.' It is found in America in the traditional form and also in a doctored version by Heneywell, featuring stereotyped Darby-and-Joans as central figures.'--Peggy Seeger

[B7]Equinoctial swore by the [E]green leaves on the tree
That [A]he could do more [E]work in a day than [B7]Phoebe could do in [E]three, three,
That [A]he could do more [E]work in a day than [B7]Phoebe could do in [E]three.

"If tha be so," Phoebe said, "then this you must allow:
You must do my work for a day, and I'll go follow the plow, plow,
You must do my work for a day, and I'll go follow the plow.

"You must milk the Tiny cow for fear that she go dry,
And you must feed the little pigs that live in yonder sty, sty,
And you must feed the little pigs that live in yonder sty.

"You must watch the speckled hen that she does not run astray,
And you must wind the hank of yarn that I spun yesterday,
And you must wind the hank of yarn that I spun yesterday."

Phoebe took the staff in her hand and went to follow the plow,
The old man took the pail in his hand and went to milk the cow, cow,
The old man took the pail in his hand and went to milk the cow.

But Tiny hinched and Tiny flinched, and Tiny buckled her nose,
She hit the old man such a blow that the blood ran to his toes, toes,
She hit the old man such a blow that the blood ran to his toes.

And when he'd milked the Tiny cow that she would not go dry,
He went to feed the little pigs that lived in yonder sty, sty,
He went to feed the little pigs that lived in yonder sty.

But while he fed the little pigs, the hen did run astray,
He forgot about the hank of yarn that sh'd spun yesterday,
He forgot about the hank of yarn that sh'd spun yesterday.

He looked to the east, he looked to the west, he looked to the setting sun,
He swore to his heart it had been a long day, and Phoebe would never come, come,
He swore to his heart it had been a long day, and Phoebe would never come.

He swore by all the stars in the sky and all the skies in heaven
That Phoebe could do more work in a day than he could do in seven,
That Phoebe could do more work in a day than he could do in seven.

SOURCE: Folk Songs of Peggy Seeger (Oak, 1964, p 26)

~Masato

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Equinoxial and Phoebe
From: Felipa
Date: 03 May 22 - 04:32 PM

from a discussion thread entitled Dangerous Songs

Subject: Lyr Add: EQUINOXIAL / LITTLE PHOEBE ^^
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 07:51 PM

EQUINOXIAL (Little Phoebe)

Equinoxial swore by the green leaves on the trees, trees,
That he could do more work in a day than Phoe-be could in three, three,
That he could do more work in a day than Phoebe could in three.

Little Phoebe standing there and this is what she said:
It's you may do the work In the house and I go follow the plow, plow,
You may do the work in the house and I'll go follow the plow.

It's you must milk the brindle cow that stands in yonder stall,
And you must feed that little pig that stands in yonder sty.

And you must churn that crock of cream that I left in the frame,
And you must watch the fat in the pot, or it'll all go in a flame.

And you must wind that hank of yarn that I spun yesterday,
And you must watch that speckled hen before she runs astray.

Little Phoebe took the whip and went to follow the plow,
And Equinoxial took the pall and went to milk the cow.

The brindle cow she turned around and sniffled up her nose,
And give him a dip upon the lip, and the blood run to his toes.

He went to feed the little pig that stands in yonder sty,
He bumped his nose upon the beam, and how the blood did fly.

He went to turn that crock of cream that she left in a frame,
And he forgot the fat in the pot and it all went in a flame.

He went to wind that hank of yarn that she spin yesterday,
And he forgot the speckled hen and so she run astray.

He looked to the East and he looked to the West and he saw the setting sun,
He swore it had been an awful long day and Phoebe hadn't come.

Presently Little Phoebe came and saw him looking sad,
She clapped her hands upon her side and swore that she was glad.

Other versions known as Father Grumble, Old Grumbler, Old Crumley, and More Work in a Day

DT #343
Laws Q1
@work @feminist @animal
recorded by Pete Seeger
filename[ WIFEWOR4
JRO
Oct01^^

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Equinoxial and Phoebe
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 03 May 22 - 05:29 PM

Hm: This may or may not be related to The Rest of the Day's Your Own, discussed in (eg) this thread ....